Good changes! As a fan of LOTR books and film trilogy, I’m probably not going to waste my time with this show.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness the books and film trilogy are not going anywhere! 💪

Loved this! 🤟🏻 not expecting anything good from this series at all

@MarcusAgrippa390

Жыл бұрын

Yep neither am I, it already looks like it takes itself way too seriously. But I honestly hope I'm wrong.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think if we're lucky, it will be mediocre at best. The worst case, it will make the PJ trilogy look even better 😅

I do wonder why this extremely expensive piece of media is set out to look so fake. An issue further exacerbated by the fact that it stands next to the Jackson trilogy, which is visually incredible, and still surpasses numerous modern movies. I guess care and passion take you a lot further than cash.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Can't help but wonder where all that money went if they couldn't make it look better than a mediocre Netflix show. Even if we didn't compare it to the Jackson films with (one of if not THE) most extensive pre-production phases in the history of cinema, it just looks so... unimpressive.

@Aurinkohirvi

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because Jeff Bezoz is so greedy? I hate Amazon, I hope everything they do, fail big time. I love Tolkien, but yes, even this.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurinkohirvi if his greed unleashed a Balrog, Bezos' Bane, that would be some poetic justice

@Akeche

Жыл бұрын

Money laundering.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Akeche Given what we've seen so far, that starts sounding more and more plausible.

Hard agree. Disa's rags are anything but proper for princess.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

In her defence, in the promo clips the actress says "she's all for the people" - maybe that means it's relatable to modern people's... pyjamas?

My main issue with Disa, as my other issues with "diverse races" is that it makes no sense in the context. Humans have different skin types because we lived apart for thousands of years. Black, white and asian people, along with any other group, only exists today because there hasn't been that much interbreeding. It's true that dwarfs make a lot of sense being pale, living underground - but the main problem lies in the genetics. And of course, the lack of a beard. In order for truly black dwarfs to exist - they have to have a whole, completely seperate, society of only black dwarfs. If she is just a black dwarf among a whole society of pale dwarfs.. Where did she come from? I hope that they explain this by having a whole society of "dark" dwarfs, like in Warhammer. Same goes for the elves. I won't mind it if they showcase a whole race of darker elves. Or they might have a special genetic variation. Kind of reverse albinism. Which would be cool too. About Galadriel: I don't mind her not wearing a helmet there. Helmets are for combat, or ceremonial. In the scene you're showing she's neither. But still, in the fellowship of the Ring, Lord Elrond fought without a helmet. And you criticize her armor for allowing mobility - yeah but she's an elf. They weigh almost nothing and are able to do things humans can't. You can't compare it to a regular plate armor. Elven armor is lighter, stronger and obviously made for elves.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

I hope too that there is some explanation, be it that she is from another society of dwarves, or something else. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Their idea of the show reflecting the modern world is dumb, as the Lord of the Rings is a depiction of an ancient, mythical world. Re: helmets & armor - I criticize the lack of helmets for all characters in battle armor, including Elrond in the Fellowship. Give them proper, good looking helmets! Like the Rohirrim. Re: the mobility, with a proper plate armour she'd be better able to pull of all of the elvish stunts that she'd struggle with that painted cardboard/plastic they gave her.

@Jonathan-bu7iv

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation You really hit the nail on that statement: "Their idea of the show reflecting the modern world is dumb" Because it's not our modern society. It's a world created, that we love. It doesn't need modern politics involved. That's a fair criticism. But if he had a helmet most would miss the fact that it's him, it was the first time we saw Elrond in a movie and they wanted us to see that it was that guy later on. But still! She's in armor, in a non combat situation. Even in history people only wore helmets when they needed to. Or for ceremonial purposes. I don't think it looks too plastic. I think it looks fine, but that's subjective. I don't argue about the looks though, it's just because you said that "the front barely extends to allow her badass acrobatics", which isn't a direct quote but you get me. Elves, in all of the depictions, wear armor that is alien to us. But they're elves, in this world their blacksmiths and technology goes way beyond the regular man. But in the end I like your video and the work you put into it. And thank you for your response!

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Jonathan-bu7iv I'm sure everyone interested in the show has by now heard the quotes about the PJ trilogy not injecting any of their political views into it vs Rings of Power wanting it to reflect our modern world. I really liked the elven armour of the Last Alliance as seen in the Fellowship of the Ring. Beautiful aesthetic that screamed elvish (not man-mande) and was very distinct. I do have some criticism about details in that, too, but that's another subject. Galadriel's Rings of Power armour looks like something the humans in the show could also have made, unlike the elvish armour in the PJ films.

@Jonathan-bu7iv

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation I loved the armor they showcased in the original trilogy. Golden, "leaf"-like, as if inspired by nature. Her armor is not as stylish, granted. It's still silverly white. And I do like that. Like mithril. And thank you again for your time. Go on to make great videos! Take care // From a Swede to a Finn.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Jonathan-bu7iv Thank you very much for the kind words & well argued points!

Huge gripe I have with the costumes is that the cloaks/capes and many dresses have _prints_ on them, when they should be embroidered.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Aagh, I hadn't noticed, well now it will be impossible to not see.

I hadn't even thought about the dwarves having to be pale because they lived under ground. Everyone is pointing out that Tolkiens work was focused on European mythology so it would make sense for native characters to be white. Good thing to point out though. Even with torches and other small forms of light I'd figure that the dwarves would be almost albino. I have caves near me with some life in them, fish and spiders and things, and they often are pure white.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

And if they wanted dark-skinned dwarves, that's fine, but there has to be some logic behind it. As Tolkien's dwarves were created by carving them out of the rock by their creator, they could take the colour of the rock. But having random very different looking individuals in a closed society doesn't make sense in the context of that world.

@IchNachtLiebe

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation Absolutely agree. No one I listen to cares in the slightest that the characters are black except for, just as you've stated, it makes no sense in these circumstances. Even if they tried to claim this was a Dwarven race from a distant land that Middle Earth hadn't seen before. This would open them up to make all kinds of changes without crossing the line too far. They could create the culture and explanations for appearance differences while still granting Tolkiens Middle Earth its original lore. They should have just created a new concept that's original to then. Then they could take as many liberties as they want

I think the main change that would improve Disa most might well be non existence. Galadriel's armor needs no helmet as the only females to fight in close combat are those with so much woke feminist plot armour that all other armour is obsolete

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Yes, based on what we've seen, she doesn't seem to belong in that world at all. Also Galadriel I'd rather see as an ominous mind-reading matriarch type of character like in the Fellowship of the Ring. Although Second Age Galadriel could justifiably be different.

@njp4340

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation I'm reading Silmarilion to my son now. About half way through. Not up to the second age yet but I haven't seen even the faintest hint of her being involved in actual combat.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@njp4340 I'm reading it too at the moment haha. It's set in the First Age though, but she does not appear as a warrior princess there either.

This was a genius and courageous move, I agree fully, I prefer the books, they are iconic. Blessings, Maggie

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Luckily the books won't go anywhere. Even if they stick a Rings of Power cover on...

I don't watch much television, it drives me nuts. I'll just stick to folk lore, and at the most, Tolkien books. All the facts you stated are exactly why I can't watch these shows, too dramatized, no studying, or just not taking expert advice, but that's why I watch channels such as yours and Irish in Finland. Just got my paper copy of the kalevala, finally can step away from the screen to read it.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Kalevala is an excellent read! The next video of mine will continue with it.

@Aurinkohirvi

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, I tried to read Kalevala in English. Poetry is so HARD to translate. You couldn't "translate" Kalevala into modern Finnish, it would suffer horribly. I actually suffered reading English Kalevala. It was bad. But it's not the fault of the translators. It just doesn't translate.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurinkohirvi hey! Don't give publishers any ideas or soon we will have a Kalevala stadin slangilla or something 😆

@end0skeleton778

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurinkohirvi I think the Oxford classics translated by Keith Bosley is probably the best one. Ive read older versions and they are hard to understand. And yes Finnish Poetry is very hard to translate to English and have it still be poetic. Have to fumble words around a bit.

Nicely done Antti. I'm a big fan of the books & the movies. I haven't had a chance to see this yet. I'm kind of hesitating watching it.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I might make a more overall review of it later. There were some things I've liked like the masks and makeup of the orcs, but given the massive potential there was for a Second Age series, it has been hugely unimpressive...

There are no mention of plate armor in Tolkiens books.

@Anttimation

19 күн бұрын

Yeah he imagined his world more Early Medieval than the films/series for sure

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And at least she shouldve been lightskin to make sense if her ancestors came here and bread with dwarfs but making her one and only dark skin (which means shes the first one of her kind that came to dwarws) and then the leader which would mean she or her ancestors were here for a long time (breading with other dwarws making her lightskin)

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

So many questions I doubt will be answered in the show... Hoping I'm wrong though.

I really like the inclusion of a bevor with that helmet but I must ask where are the gauntlets?

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

I was lazy 😂 Of course proper gauntlets are needed as well. The ones shown in the Empire magazine have a huge gap at the wrist, perfectly in line with the nonsensical armour of the show.

@YankeeDoodleDipshit

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation yeah Hollywood gauntlets are especially bad

We all have seen movies of monsters or humanoid things living in caves for their entire life. None have ever come out black…. Why? Cuz the sun doesnt work in mysterius ways.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

If they wanted to have "inclusive" black dwarves, make all of them dark, carved out the rock. Having some random diversity drops doesn't make any sense.

once glance is enough to see nobody gave a shit about costumes ... it's the exact opposite feeling i had while watching latest Dune movie in scene where herald came

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. At least Dune in Villeneuve's hands was a refreshing surprise in the era of worse and worse big budget productions.

Did dwarves mine gold though?

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

I don't remember it mentioned specifically... But she's sure been given a bucket of gold paint

In coming!!!!

I actually liked the design of Galadriel's armor, but just looked cheap.

@Anttimation

5 ай бұрын

It was one of the better designed elements in the show, for sure. (The video is from a time when there were only posters out). But... She got the armor in Numenor and it was very different to Numenorean armor. So do they just keep a few special extra armors in stock in case some arrogant foreigner comes ashore and demands an army at their command? :D

Dindwarf

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

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Yeah the Dwarven queen dress you made good (disliking the colours, but anyway). Looks quite a lot like the reconstructed Eura dress president Halonen wore. I'm not sure wether in Tolkien's writings female dwarves have beard, but I'm happy they don't in a movie. Because women and beard, just no. Dwarf or not. I would rather have seen Galadriel wear just some leather armor pieces, enabling better mobility.

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

Halonen as a dwarven queen, now there's an interesting thought :D I would prefer to not see a fighting armoured Galadriel in the first place. How awesome did she appear in the Fellowship?! Although Second Age Galadriel can justifiably be different, but still...

@Aurinkohirvi

Жыл бұрын

@@Anttimation True, Galadriel could've been a witch, sage, what ever, from young. But then again, while young and agile, why not be both? One doesn't even need imagination to see Halonen as a Dwarven queen!

WE

99% chance that another potentially great show ruined by wokeism

@Anttimation

Жыл бұрын

I blame incompetence and corporate greed just as much.