I have 2 custom titanium frame bikes that I love. One regular and one tandem. Both over 15 years old and obviously cable operated brakes. How many carbon frame bikes are over 15 years old and still look almost new. And at 72 years old, I don't plan on getting any new bikes, and I don't think that disc brakes are that much better than rim brakes. Although, the rear brake on the tandem is a cable operated disc brake. The extra power is needed on the tandem when stopping all that extra weight. So wheeltop was very smart to offer a cable brake option which allows people like me to upgrade an older bike. I just installed it on the tandem for under $600. I was thinking about using Shimano Ultegra 8000 parts but that would have cost about $1200. And then I would have had to drill 3 holes in the frame and figure out how to run all those wires and where to put the battery on a frame with S & S frame couplers. The frame breaks in half for travel. With the fully wireless Wheeltop system, all those problems are solved.

@klein-concept

26 күн бұрын

That is a really cool setup. Glad to hear it also simplified your tandem upgrade. Happy riding 🤜🤛

Really nice! Will consider this groupset for my next rim brake build - thanks for making this video, Michael 🤩

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Always a pleasure. I think its real good value for money. What kind of bike are you planning to build?

@iamalexfranz

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept Looking at building up a Supersix Evo and not go too crazy budget-wise - let's see!

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Super dope frame. That EDS would fit well there i think.

Thanks for another great video KC 👍 I really enjoyed using my WheelTop EDS TX Carbon Disc groupset for the first 4 weeks that I owned it (here in the UK). Unfortunately the rear-derailleur stopped working after 600 Km (stuck in lowest gear and just beeps/whirrs when trying to change the gear). I swapped a few emails with WheelTop Support, but they tell me they will not help me, so I am left with a bike I cannot ride and no way of fixing it 😥 I really want to support WheelTop... but if they cannot provide any Support when they're product breaks, then I'm do not see how anyone can recommend it 😖

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@DerekGreen123 glad you like the video but sad to hear about your experience. Could you maybe send me a dm via instagram with your order details and i try to push them as well.

@kidsafe

Ай бұрын

Question: Did you buy directly from WheelTop or did you buy via an unofficial AliExpress seller?

@Multi8h

21 күн бұрын

If you contact your bank, you could try to chargeback the purchase and get your money back

Love the sambass on Tempelhofer Feld! What a vibe...

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Me too 🫶

Hopefully you also try the disc brake version also 🙏 nice video, as always. Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot 🤜🤛

Endlich mal was interessantes 😉 Nicht immer nur Disc Brakes 😉 Spaß beiseite, hoffe wirklich, dass die chinesischen Groupsets besser werden

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Hehe. Finde die Wheeltop ist in sachen gefühlte qualität schon weit vorne. Die neue LTwoo in blau aber auch. Da geht so langsam was.

This is a really interesting groupset. I really like the concept of no wires, so simple to build. Recently I have been playing around with mechanical disc brake calipers/Sensah shifters, just to see if they are as bad as people say. They are not. Once leverage is sorted, which requires a little engineering, they are great, the equal of my hydros though the lever feel is heavier due to the return springs. This groupset would be great with those calipers.....

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear you made the Sensah setup work. Most of the time these groupsets are getting really close to Shimano or Sram but require a bit more work when setting them up. Most of the time thats worth it due to the reduced price.

I would love a video after a month of use !

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@TFL00W good idea. Will try to do that 🤜🤛

@y.a.p8951

Ай бұрын

one year more likely of moderate use.

Brilliant video, do you think they will update the app soon ?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Thank you. Good question. But even without update its manageable. 🤜🤛

Thank you for your video on this groupset. I am interested HOWEVER, Do you know why Wheeltop can't sell them here in the US? How can I go about purchasing?

@klein-concept

23 күн бұрын

I wasnt aware that is the case. Think it was similar with Germany in the beginning. So it might just take a moment. 🫶

I have a brand new DA 9070 ❤ Still debating which frame to buy. I am really considering a Steel frame. Lets see

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@thedronescene7474 Go for a light steel one. You will not regret it 🤜🤛

@christopheryack580

Ай бұрын

i just built a Ritchey road logic and she’s nice.. there is also the new Condor Accaio that looks very pretty

how does it perform compared to the ltwoo erx groupset? looking forward to the new erx groupset coming out later this year too.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

The rear shifting is very similar. The front shifting is a bit snappier on the L-Twoo i think but as i m not using the front derailleur that often anyways its not really something i notice when riding out.

@everythingRICHARDIFY

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept cool! But, one question though. Is it too risky buying from ltwoo and wheeltop for the electronic groupset? Or is it all worth it and do you think it will last long same way with shimano and sram ones? Thank you

@klein-concept

29 күн бұрын

I dont know how long it will last but with L-Twoo i had good communication when it comes to support.

any issues with the app translations? is it somewhat intuitive to figure out the settings to index each sprocket?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Its not the most intuitive app but as the options are limited its not too difficult to figure it out within a couple of minutes.

The idea of electronic shifting on my vintage bike intrigues me but honestly it wouldn't look good. With those bikes only aluminum components look right. There's nothing wrong fully mechanical systems so I'll stick to that.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

If you want to keep that clean vintage look you are absolutely right. I sometimes like that batmobil touch on a vintage frame 😂😂😂

Has Wheeltop started offering individual components, if you need a replacement? Until that’s available I don’t understand how these are viable.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@stefangrose4954 they must be working on a better distribution and service networks here as well. I agree if they want to be successful long term.

@y.a.p8951

Ай бұрын

I think lots of people hesitate due to customer service

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@y.a.p8951 yes i could see that. I think and hope this will change over the next years. They need to get a proper service network going.

@y.a.p8951

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept fingers 🤞. Healthy competition doesn't anyone yet🥲 Actually , I'm very glad there's company like wheeltop giving a chance to frames.😉

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

i agree. Even if the groupset is not for you. It puts pressure on the other brands. 🤜🤛

I am thinking of the disc version for my carbon road built. Sram and Shimano probably started to scratch their heads now. Lots and lots of people seriously turned to this chinese brand in the past few months.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

And they are getting better and better.

Would love to know some weights for the components if you get time

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Sorry i completely forgot. Hope that other youtubers will follow up on this. But i will try to do it when i have a second.

@philadams9254

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept Don't worry. No point now if you've already built up the bike.

The only downside for me was that the rim brake version does not have reach adjust whereas the disc brake version does. Having small hands makes this an unfortunate no for me

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Good point. I did not know that the disc version had that adjustment.

How many kms have you put so far on your oxic wheelset and how's the coating?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@dgonz6027 i have mainly used the Oxic wheels for one Mallorca trip. So around 500-600 km with LOTS of heavy breaking. Coating is still like new.

@hendrikspark4462

Ай бұрын

I have that Wheelset for around 8000-10000 km, coating is like new.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Beautiful 🫶

Give it. To me NOW!

@klein-concept

26 күн бұрын

@@espencera 😂😂😂

mixed end user reviews long term, i dont want to be an aftermarket beta tester,dont get me wrong i love sensah mech 11 speed. looking forward to Ltwoo TT gruppo. Sram rival axs with blips for me - 400 euro TT bike

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Thats a good deal. Second hand or new?

@johnnyboy4711

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept new rival axs rear derailleur 189, blips 89, battery and charger 80 1*TT setup

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyboy4711 what brake levers are you using?

@johnnyboy4711

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept SRAM cable brake

Hi, any bike weight difference between mechanic and wireless?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

I knew i forgot about something 🫣😬😂😂

I just don't see or feel a significant difference between moving my shift lever or pressing a button. To press a button to send a signal to a motor that changes the gears for you. Why not just pull the cable with a mechanical lever to move the derailleur in one step(In a system that I can repair easily and cheaply) ? Is it just another way of fulfilling a need for more material things? Is it an ego thing-to have some kind of bragging rights? I raced for years. Missing shift was just not a realistic issue for me or any the cyclist I rode with. I have 20 color LED lights in my apartment that I control on an app, so I love new tech that allows me to to do new things. But I would not get a button to send a signal to a motor to open my front door for me either. Tell me why button shifting is so much better-and worth the obvious downsides?

@klein-concept

17 күн бұрын

I would not say that its so much better. I prefer my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical over all other groupsets i have. But with internal routing on most frames these days an electronic groupset makes installation a lot easier.

Now If it only had blips or remote shifters for old tt bikes

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

That would be real good 🫶

How much they cost and how I can have one

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

It is 649 euro and you can get it here: bit.ly/4bRpoAK

Easy to charge and monitor?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Yes charging is very easy with magnetic cables. What do you mean with monitor?

@DanTuber

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept Monitor how much charge is left before it runs out

@heinblod8720

29 күн бұрын

@@klein-concept Are the gears visible in a bike Computer display, Wahoo / Garmin ?

Magst dich mal mit "Richie & Tobi" (ehemals GCN Deutsch Moderatoren) kurzschliessen? Sie haben die Gruppe auch getestet und waren im Enddefekt nicht überzeugt. Ggf. wäre das auch was für den Hersteller selbst sich mal mit ihnen in Kontakt zu treten?

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Gute frage ob man an die jungs so gut rankommt. Hab deren video auch gesehen. Hab dieses geclicker bei mir bisher zb nicht. Klar ist etwas langsamer als eine Ultegra aber für den preis ok. Frage mich ob ich vielleicht eine spätere produktion habe. Denn ich hatte zb auch keinen zu kurzen bremszug was bei den beiden der fall war.

So, you've upgraded from Dura ACE to Chinese shit, what a world we live in? BTW, what's the point of having wireless shifting, while brakes are cable actuated.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@romanpramuka2703 lol i mean that was the bike i had ready to give this a try. I wanted to give this a test without having to build a new bike. Electronic shifting still can have more precision than mechanical and be lower maintenance and easier installation. Guess you could ask the same question with disc brakes as well. About why to use wireless shifting while still having brake hoses. 🫶

Paid advertising...Watch independent review of this to get realistic review. There is a lot to know before buying this. Long story short its not worth it. For now....

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@Xpayn3 just to be clear. None of this is paid. They only send over a free groupset. So no reason to make this overly positive at 500 euro value for a product 😂😂. But i would actually be very interested in your experience and why you came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. As for me so far it works super smooth

I would never in a million years take off my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical and put on that unknown nonsense. Once you have a problem you’ll never hear from them again as I can see from at least one commentator on here. There’s more than low price to any components. I don’t see anything attractive about Chinese groupsets!

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@BikeLife154 if you already have a 9100 group i agree. There is no need to upgrade as you already are riding the best mechanical groupset ever made. But if you re building a new bike and want to keep things on a budget this is still an alternative to di2 or axs setups. As you say service remains an issue for most of these brands so far but they are aware and must be working on establishing a service network.

@BikeLife154

Ай бұрын

@@klein-concept I understand what you're saying and I'm not here to argue, however, this groupset is £549 I believe in the UK and they provide no crankset or chain. I can buy an Ultegra R8000 rim brake groupset for £699 with the crank and chain. Yes, it's mechanical, but even that I would favour over this stuff coming out of china. I can see landfill galore in the not too distant future from all these broken Chinese groupsets from companies that are dead in a couple of yearš or refuse to help customers because of the financial implications. Btw Ultegra Di2 is £1299 again with a crank and chain. The crankset alone is £199 and the chain around £40-50 so the wheeltop group is now £800 with the cost of these added.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@BikeLife154 good point and calculation. It is not a bargain and on the edge where you really have to think if you dont want to add that little bit of extra cash to go for Shimano. But for anybody on a really tight budget and who is dreaming of going electronic it is still a valid choice i think. Given that brands like Wheeltop and L-Twoo will be able to establish a proper service network eg in Europe.

@timdixo

Ай бұрын

Retail prices will come down and the creases will be ironed out in time. If Wheeltop,L-Twoo and Magene etc don't become major players in the electronic groupset market I'll be flabbergasted.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@timdixo 🫶

Great video, just found it a little hard to stay engaged because your glasses are so enormous, and it was extremely distracting.

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

Hahahahahaha. Sorry for that. Will add more b roll next time 🫣 but glad you enjoyed the video anyways 🤜🤛

@logicsetsyoufree9052

Ай бұрын

No worries at all lol....I wear glasses myself🤓....Good stuff bro🚴🏼🤙🏻

@klein-concept

Ай бұрын

@@logicsetsyoufree9052 🤓🫶🤓