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Mark Twain was once asked how he felt about death; he replied, "I was dead for billions of years before I was born and it didn't inconvenience me in the least".

@mr.horrorchild4094

10 ай бұрын

That's nice for him

@UrsaringKrusherX

Ай бұрын

He doesn't know that. Just cos something you say sounds cool doesn't mean it's true

Anybody who wants to live forever on earth or in heaven, has not truly contemplated/ understood the ideas of Infinity & eternity. Particularly, the people of Abrahamic religions. The Hindus have an interesting philosophical approach to this. In Hindu mythology, many humans & daemons tried to earn immortality through various means. God took one form or another and struck them all down one way or another. Only one person called Ashwatthama was ever "cursed" with immortality because he killed a baby in a womb. One more person in the same Epic called Bhishma was given the power to decide the time of his death because he was considered to be very wise. He ended up living too long and badly regretting his decision to keep postponing his own death. Something similar from the movie Troy - Where Achilles explains to a priestess, how the gods envy humans for being mortal and ephemeral. They have everything one could wish for, except Death. There is just no end for them! kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGau2s-RiLfadKg.html

@bradsizemore3333

11 ай бұрын

There is a rich history of Christians contemplating the mystery of everlasting life. I would agree with the idea that eternity becomes a prison if it weren’t for the doctrine of theosis, whereby created natures participate in the divine nature. In this way everything is ever present and ever new, the intellect is fully enlightened but continues to grow in the wisdom of charity.

@bradsizemore3333

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 If we’re speaking of theosis/divine beatitude, then we’re speaking of doctrines that have been divinely revealed or arrived at based on Divine Revelation. Philosophy/Natural Theology can get us to the point, using reason, where we can conclude that God very most likely exists and what the definition of that God must include/exclude. Religion/Divine Revelation is a matter of intellect leading to faith.

@bradsizemore3333

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 That’s a matter of faith, it’s the purview of religion.

@bradsizemore3333

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 No. Faith must be grounded in reason, if you are an inherently better person than me there will be evidence. Faith is not irrational, it’s Supra-rational and it most certainly is a vehicle for reaching truth, unless you insist that “truth” can be confined to what can be empirically demonstrated-which is an irrational notion. As I said, reason can get you to the great likelihood that God exists, etc.; Faith goes beyond that to personal communion, etc.

@mr.horrorchild4094

10 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 A more moral human being? According to whose made up morals,yours?

God gives us free will but not to exercise it and say we DON'T want either Heaven or Hell.

@LWS1989

8 ай бұрын

But wouldn't we be lying if we said we DID want it? I certainly don't want it.

imagine the supreme being that made the supreme being that made the earth popping into existence and saying to itself, "How the f... did I get here " it would have to make up another mith to explain itself.

He's old he will meet God soon

An eternal general anastatic is our haven compared to those who rather have our nervous system be subjected to eternal torture.

If we live forever after "returning to" the Living Infinite Being, we must hope that IT has learned to cope with such an existence.

The frightening thing about death is starting over.

I will see Trump on his streets of gold.

Death is realty

...bloody AWESOME Richard...❤

Death is like deep sleep its obvious in deep sleep there is no one you dont know anything not even that youre sleeping thats the truth nothingness

Me too

Yeah! IGA = ED

There are two kinds of fear of death. One is the obvious manifesting itself in the emotion we know as fear. The other is the "peace" you might expect from a practicing buddhist. Fear of death is not an emotion..It is woven into the fabric of spiritual death. People outside of Christ believe what they believe because of the fear of death.

@kaizokuo5850

11 ай бұрын

Hi, someone outside of Christ here. Please don't tell us what *we* believe and why ❤️

@jjevans1693

11 ай бұрын

Wrong people believe in invisible supernatural beings watching over us because of their fear of death.

One thing I think we can all agree on is the fact that one day we are all going to have to face the reality of death. It’s real it’s a fact it’s inescapable. But where we differ is on what we believe will happen to us after we die,. and there’s really only two alternatives. One is that when our body expires, that’s the end. There’s no spirit or soul that lives on. It’s just death with our flesh either rotting in the ground or being incinerated and that’s the end of that. and of course the other side of the coin is those who believe that we are a spirit being dwelling in a fleshly body. And that when this body expires our spirit is set free. Interestingly, when you think about it since there’s only two choices, there is really a 50/50 chance that either belief is right or wrong. in life as a statistician , I would say those are pretty good odds that either side is correct. That being said, if I was going to put my money on one or the other, I would rather be betting on the fact that the possibility of life after death could exist. If I’m wrong, I certainly have less to lose.

@RickMayMusic

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 I understand what you’re saying. I guess what I’m getting at is there are only two belief systems and only two. Either there is life after death, or there is not. In that scenario, there is a 50-50 chance that either belief system is correct. please keep in mind what I said “a belief system.”

@RickMayMusic

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesfunk1447 I see what you’re getting at. But right now with the science that we have, we can neither prove that a spiritual life exists after death, nor can we disprove it as well. A scientific fact needs to have its premise on absolute trustworthy facts, observability and repeatability. we can see that in human death. But as far as are we spirit beings as well. Science cannot prove or disprove that fact. We just don’t know. Therefore, people must take it as a belief, take it as faith that we are not just flesh, but we were all so spirit, and that our spirit lives on after our fleshly body dies. That is why I said it is a belief system . Take, for example, the ancient Egyptian’s. They believed in life after death. Went through extreme measures of mummification and even burying their kings with many belongings that they could use in the afterlife. It was a belief system. Take, for example Christianity Christianity and its followers believe in life after death. They believe that your spirit lives on after the body dies. It is a belief system. It is a system because it is not only believe by one person but by many people. I.e. Christianity is a belief system.

He has no idea of what he’s talking about. There is no wisdom in his words! It’s clear that he has never read the book of Daniel.

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

Instead of reading that, why not see what happened to your relatives that have died? That's reality

@silverback101

11 ай бұрын

@@jvalfin3359 you aren't well read are you? The book of Daniel predicted the Persian empire and its demise Daniel predicted that Alexander the great would conquer the Persian empire. The book of Daniel predicted the Roman empire described in great detail. The book of Daniel predicted the exact date that Israel would become a nation again. You sound ignorant of all this. The book of Daniel predicted Jesus Christ and his birth life and death. Daniel's 70 weeks. This is just a few of the prophecy in this book. But you wouldn't know that. One more question for you, why is it God told the Israelites to circumcise their baby boys on the eighth day of life? On the eighth day of life when vitamin k levels are the highest they will be in the life of the boy. The reason vitamin k is important is because it promotes coagulation of the blood. How would the Israelites know this other than it was God that told them, they didn't know what a vitamin is let alone what it was doing inside their bodies. Try to disprove the word of God honestly. Our salvation is based upon 1st Corinthians ch.15 verses 1through 4 written by the Apostle Paul. God bless you all.

@LWS1989

8 ай бұрын

​@@silverback101 The fulfilment of the prophecies mentioned in the Book of Daniel were the result of self-fulfilling processes, where believers interpret events to match the predictions. For example, in the case of the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement in the late 19th and early 20th centuries actively worked towards the goal of establishing a Jewish homeland. The subsequent fulfillment of this prophecy was a consequence of human actions rather than divine intervention. As for the specific details about the eighth-day circumcision and vitamin K levels, it's worth noting that circumcision practices existed in various cultures for reasons not tied to divine knowledge of vitamin K. Scientific explanations for ancient practices can often be retrofitted to fit modern knowledge.

@silverback101

8 ай бұрын

@@LWS1989 it’s your world view definitely not mine it’s just your opinion that has been given to you by the likes of Richard Dawkins. You failed to realize the mathematical equations behind the texts of the King James Version there is a computer program which looks deep in the text for patterns and mentions of Jesus Christ and his apostles. Even word counts vowels and consonants in verses your 80,000 foot view of the Bible betrays you. If you want to have an intelligent discussion of the Bible and it’s contents you should stop rejecting out of hand what Christians mention because you have been taught that the Bible has nothing to offer. It’s just your soul and your salvation we are talking about. The Israelites didn’t know about vitamin K. These prophecies mention names prince of Greece not hard to figure out who this is he is fighting the Persians who could it be oh I know Alexander the Great the Bible even says what happens to his empire. Guess what empire comes after the Greeks that would be the Roman Empire the book of Daniel states this in detail there was an eastern empire and a western empire thus the two legs of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. You just discount this because you are lazy and are lacking the guts to really look at this .

You’re a very intelligent man! But not when it comes to God. I have proof he exists,when I go outside and the sun warms me,or at night when I see the stars and the moon I see God. The day I asked for forgiveness the Holy Ghost entered my heart. It’s hard to explain the feeling I have, but all I know is that he has nothing but never ending love for me. I’m not here to convert anybody,what you believe or not is none of my business. I’m just saying how he changed my life

@dauntless0711

11 ай бұрын

That's your evidence, the sun moon and stars? Science has already explained how all 3 came to be. I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't understand why you assume a God must be involved. Too bad God doesn't give everyone the same blessed assurance. Seems like a good thing to do if the goal is to save humanity.

@rodomolina7995

11 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the god delusion

@SPDLand

11 ай бұрын

And as long as your firm believe does not harm anybody in any way, you are free to do and think as you like!

@A.J.Lebowski

11 ай бұрын

Your a very intelligent man but not when it comes to god. I have prove he doesn't excist when i go to visit my father who suffers from dementia for years now. I feelt and heard nothing when i prayed to him to stop the war and save our children . It's hard to explain the feeling of emptiness when i realized we are on our own. I'm not here to convert you to atheïsme because it's not my business if you feel comfort in thinking there is an invisible friend who loves you so much and think you are more special then some kid with bone cancer I'm just saying how you are probably wrong and you will probably never know.

@drsatan9617

11 ай бұрын

That doesn't constitute proof for your god Others claim those same things as proof for their god lol

No it's not Mr. Dawkins, after death comes judgment by God and you'll either be with God forever or away from God Almighty in Hell.

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

no, you're going to get buried in the ground or cremated, you don't "go" anywhere. You are your brains and after they stop working you're gone

@isaiahjohnston823

11 ай бұрын

​@@jvalfin3359yep! I agree 100%...

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

@@isaiahjohnston823 Sometimes I wonder why it is so difficult to accept reality for some people. They accept what a book says over what they see with their own eyes, and see repeated over and over again. The gaslighting is working. Meaning, they see the body, they see the coffin get lowered to the ground and they grieve the loss of that person. Then they say they're in heaven (a place that's said to exist in a book, written by living people who thought it was in the clouds). As if the writers had any clue. They claim there's an invisible immaterial ghost controlling the body, and after the body dies, the ghost "leaves". It sounds more absurd when you imagine it's basically the same as people remotely controlling a drone. As a ghost, you have no self awareness, and no thoughts outside your "real" brain. I wonder, how does the ghost keep thinking when it has to give up it's brain? I know this is me just granting their claims and trying to follow the breadcrumbs to what they're essentially saying, but it's an entertaining excercise. Too bad their claims are unfalsifiable, so all they can do is say it louder.

Another claim he knows nothing about.

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

He's also claimed that death feels like what it was like before you were born, that's much more closer to the truth

@petervandervlies6427

11 ай бұрын

@@jvalfin3359 well,one day we'll know.

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

@@petervandervlies6427 Yes, in a way it's a pointless debate to have, the living arguing about how it feels to be dead. As if anyone could know that, especially among the living

@petervandervlies6427

11 ай бұрын

@@jvalfin3359 right on, that's my point exactly.

You wish but it wont be

Where is the evidence for his bullshit?

@dp5696

11 ай бұрын

Where is evidence for yours😂

@jingojingo1

11 ай бұрын

@@dp5696 we gave you, you refuse. Now give me evidence for yours.

@jvalfin3359

11 ай бұрын

What is the evidence you would accept? The evidence for your claims are unfalsifiable so nothing could ever count for them as verifiable evidence, or a fact that indicates. Make a falsifiable claim so we have something to work with. Of course, Dawkins is not being 100% serious here, he has said before that after your death it feels like how it was before you were born. We know what happened to our dead relatives, they were buried in the ground and decomposed, their skeletons may even still be there, it didn't "go" anywhere. Or they were cremated. That's the evidence. It's reality, like it or not. Verifiable evidence, a fact that indicates, we can just walk up to a graveyard, what's left of them are still there. Their brains, their personalities, cannot be recovered, as their neurons have long stopped working and what they were made of are scattered to other living organisms underground and elsewhere.

@LWS1989

8 ай бұрын

@@jingojingo1 Here's the evidence. The idea that we have a soul, or the idea that something goes on living after our bodies die is the single most dead concept in all of theology. From what we understand is, when your brain dies, you die and there’s nothing more to it. There’s no room left in the things we used to label as a soul, given what we know about the brain and how it functions, about how our memories are malleable and how our personalities are malleable. Everything about you can be reset. You can get amnesia, you can sever your corpus callosum and wind up with two distinct independently communicating personalities within a single head. There’s no room left to posit a soul! Because one view of a soul is that it’s the ghost in the machine, a spirit that is directly guiding this meat sack around the world, and is making decisions, and is the thing that is going to be judged morally as good or bad. The problem is, if you take that split brain example. Let’s say one personality believes in a god and the other doesn’t, does that mean the soul of this person has completely moved over to one side of the brain and the other side is just screwed? Does it mean that each personality has half of a soul? Every time you try and find some space for a soul, every new discovery we find about how the brain works closes another door for the idea.