Join me and Clement from Kartesian this Saturday live: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmqXutSLmtC8cqw.html

@justkiddin1980

3 жыл бұрын

What is the speaker in the thumbnail?? I cant seem to find it..

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

@@justkiddin1980 www.kartesian-acoustic.com/copie-de-sub120-vhp-2

Cant wait for the live chat! Wish I could get my hands on some of their products

Midbass driver shown at 1:12 are effin' sweet! Perhaps inspired by Dynaudio or Soundstream Reference 6".

Waiting your speaker project with Katesian components. Nice video.

I've been looking forward to this one Nick. Cheers!

I would love to see you do an ultra compact 3-way design, even if it was with an active crossover for phase and time alignment. The idea of a desktop-friendly 3-way, no bigger than a Speedster, is getting me daydreaming.

Love a company that wants to satisfy its customers needs and wants .

Toid does some great interviews. Thanks

Hi Toids, this is my next build with Kartesian speakers, they are impressive and well made.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful! You're going to have to share it with me sometime. I'd love to see it

oh wow - you are right the compression driver looks awesome

these speakers are so beautiful that they need a transparent cabinet

@uncledope77

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about the enclosure. But that would have to be 1 special enclosure. How will you deal with the standing waves? It might work as a subwoofer but not full range. Still a good idea though 👌🏾

Nice video man, those speakers are 🔥

WoW! I MUST get on the livestream! I have so many questions. Especially dome Midrange and underhung woofer related 😀

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

We enjoyed having you on the live stream. Sorry that you kept having internet issues.

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid No worries. Still was good fun😀 Didn't even realize how long the livestream was LoL Felt like 30mins to me somehow. Now i have all sorts of crazy ideas for making my own woofer just for fun LoL

Sounds like my new favorite manufacturer.

Great imformation on 🔊

Those are some pretty drivers!

Thanks

@Toid

Жыл бұрын

You're Welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Good stuff.

Those are some amazing looking drivers. Don't know how I haven't been subbed, I am now !

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome man! Love your channel! Keep up the great content!

@thenotoriousrvh6091

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Your a liar 😂 But a cool dude. Been checking out Kartesians website amazing looking drivers, my interest is peaked. I'm looking for something different from the cookie cutter molds.

Kartesian needs to publish proven speaker design using their drivers😊

Seem like they have a good plan. I see it as being hard to get due to demand or they start to compromise to meet demand. They could also jack up the price after introduction. You see it all the time in car audio. That is mainly the reason I got into diy home audio to learn more about speakers.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I hope that they are a company that can maintain that standard. But you're absolutely right, you see a lot of companies that compromise once they start getting too big.

@chancedunn2724

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid that horn driver has really got my attention, not going to lie!

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

@@chancedunn2724 Me too! That looks very promising.

Nick, been waiting on your review on these since you first mentioned them. I am sure this is already part of your list of questions but please ask about how he intends on setting up distribution in the US. As far as pricing, I was on the TLHP site a couple of weeks ago and the pricing didn't seem to out there. If I remember correctly one of their 4" drivers was around 70 Euros. I don't remember if it was the midrange or the Sub you showed in this video.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely correct. I think the pricing is very reasonable. I already talked to him about that, and they are being very selective with who they choose to distribute with. Hopefully, there will be a us distributor soon. But with how selective he is, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while either.

incredible drivers, I use them in my cabs

Respect to manufacturers who care about quality and are proud of what they do. But I would hesitate to call this revolutionary. You would need a new speaker technology for that. Something that has never been done before that's a game changer.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Their goal is to revolutionize the speaker industry in the next 5 years. They started with at least one patent called their dynamic spider. We talked about it in our live broadcast which I pinned as the first comment here if you're interested in it. Of course who knows if they will reach their goal. But I am glad to see manufacturers that are really trying to push it.

Hi Nick, Sub120 and Twt30 ordered ! i will share the results when builded !

@gerardpastorelli4389

2 жыл бұрын

@Robert Jansen Yes already, you could view on toids Forum my thread. Thanks

@gerardpastorelli4389

2 жыл бұрын

@Robert Jansen Absolutely gorgeous, sound is very clear with a lot of details, tweeter is amazing and bass are enough deep for the size. Don't hesitate speakers are exceptional.

Do you have any designs for a home theater system? They have so many drivers and types that it is very confusing to pick

And go Packs go! 🤝⚡️💪🏻

keep up the builds and projects, give me some cool ideas for in vehicles builds/projects

Nothing ‘revolutionary’ here but the company and products look great.

Nick..."I'm excited to win that"...hahahahaha..nice!

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! I had to throw that jab in there 😁🤣

Where can I get a Kartesian Lowther? or Quad ELS midrange? or Maggie ribbon? or Jordan Watts or KEF T27 or Tannoy dual concentric or... This is simply silly.

Very nice drivers and T/S like ANY other HI END drivers. If the revolutionary make the same price tag as Dayton. :)

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

That would be nice. They are relatively affordable. I'm really disappointed that the website went down. I guess it was due to a fire at ovh in France. Hopefully that site will be up soon.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow morning, Clement's going to talk about some of the ways he's trying to revolutionize the speaker industry. I think it's going to be a really interesting and intriguing video. Feel free to stop by and ask some questions.

Al’s from Anthony,..want to see Todd’s build with these ,as he says is coming!

Will the livestream be uploaded afterwards? I would love to join live but the timezone differences aren't ideal for me 😔.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it will.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

If you just save the link, that link post livestream, will be a permanent link. If you want to ask any questions, post them on the forum and I'll see if I can ask him while we are live.

I want 4 of dose for my Chevy Tahoe 👍👍👍

Nice

do you know which manufacturers are using their drivers?

When you say speakers haven’t changed much, there are some us who prefer the sound of eg omnidirectionals, bipoles, dipoles, open baffles, etc.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. There's a lot of great types of speakers out there. What Kartesian is referring to is the actual drivers that makes up the speaker. So if you take a look at a 12-in woofer from 20-40 years ago, they're very similar to what you see today.

Where to buy , How much

Hi bro just wondering in if its worth trying to build the new svs Focal copies

I want some of those 4 inch subs

Any news about the kit with the Sub120_vHP-F?

I thought about buying the speakers, but the website provided doesn't support purchases. Also, I was curious about the cost for a pair of the 4" ones?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they're sold on tlhp. Their website is down right now due to some major fires hosting the storage for the website.

Good

. I need some low frequency drivers for my next build.

Highly revolutionised means highly expensive.

@C--A

3 жыл бұрын

Very good quality drivers, woofers, tweeters but they revolutionised them. For that they would need to release a product that was vastly better than similarly good rival products. A actual revolutionary product is the Wing Acoustics bookshelf speaker. Low sensitivity so only good for very small rooms. But their Wing Acoustics hummingbird mids/tweeter is game changing. Zero resonance distortion, a perfect waterfall chart. Once they scale it up to bigger size bookshelfs, floorstanders it will be a big step up for tweeters and also mids. Another revolutionary product though not in the market yet is Mayht driver which is much smaller than a conventional driver membrane speaker. It enables a very small footprint but with much more sound output. You will see much smaller speakers and subwoofers, even smartphones that have the sound quality output of decent Bluetooth speakers.

they beat i bet, looks like a psi or dc sub

it was my dream to have speaker company like that but someone already am late

Where do you buy these?

Price?

Every company says the same thing lol At the end of the day it’s always going to be what your ears tell you.

@nickgoogle4525

3 жыл бұрын

and the measurements -- which will correlate with what you hear when you make the right measurements :-)

@CarAudioHorizons

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickgoogle4525 That’s before you sound deadened your vehicle otherwise it will sound like crap

Mini Dinas

That’s the beefiest 4” ever!

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

They are pretty sick. I'd love to see what you could do with those in a car.

@Edinsism

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Really could do something innovative in a stealth build with it

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Maybe a Band-Pass Horn in a car? That should really get ppl be like "WHAT that's with a 4inch???!!"😆😁

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

Now imagine this with it being all neodymium + being underhung 🤩

@RennieAsh

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 There's a neo one on the website. There's also Dayton nd91 which I'd say is probably cheaper? Would be interesting to see how they compare

Drops off the planet at 40.

Did you make a project with these driver ?

High end in an 18 Corolla?! Kartesian + Memphis audio = ? I'd have to ditch the stock head unit... Back down to a single din high end pioneer CD deck? Was thinking of four smaller subs in enclosures within the doors/deck, even their full range 165's go down to 40Hz!

only problem with that company is you have to buy a min order of 50 pieces , just like Peerless by Tiphany

@Toid

6 ай бұрын

They were trying to make them available to DIYers, but I’m not sure they still are. It’s really a shame.

Strange how they say it’s all in house yet a lot of there drivers look like SB Acoustics

3:36

@boombok2diy31

3 жыл бұрын

2:07

Compresion driver doing 800hz is not that incredible. Celestion makes a Ti series 7" comp. driver that goes down to 300hz. This are nice 4" drivers, what is their price?

Are you from Wisconsin?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

I am not. Originally, I am from IL

@supersonic118boi8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid still a packers fan 😂

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

@@supersonic118boi8 lol! Yes sir! Where I grew up, we got all the bears games and all the Packers games. My parents didn't watch football, so I got the formulate my own opinion. And the Packers were awesome! Sterling sharpe, Reggie White, Brett Favre, Dorsey Levens, Charles Woodson, Craig Newsome, LeRoy Butler. You name it, I loved them. I stayed true to being a Packers fan my whole life. I was a little disheartened when Tom Brady beat them in the NFC championship this past year.

Is Csrtesian a Canadian industry? Or French?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

French

Name several speaker brands that are equipped with Csrtesian drivers will you?

Il est français ?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Yes he is. There's a link to their KZread channel as well, which is only in French right now.

You have a link to there website?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

There's a link in the description of the video

If you've watched a tour of any speaker manufacturer, B&W, JMLab, Eminence, etc. they all make speakers exactly the way described in this video. In fact, Eminence speakers match so well straight off the line that "matching" them is literally superfluous. I'm not saying this video is BS, I'm sure they are fine speakers, but physics is physics and I'm hesitant to think, Focal (JMLab) or Eminence or Morel or Peerless, etc., wow if they keep at it they might get as good at making wonderful drivers as this company who has been in business for less than 20 years and no one has ever heard of. THEY you see, have figured it out!

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely, there's a lot of great companies that care about the quality product they put out. I actually did a video on Eminence and found their tolerances to be excellent. I completely agree that Eminence is a fantastic company. And there's a lot of really great companies that apply strict tolerances. And I try to applaud all of them. Kartesian does have a few patented technology's built into their drivers that are pretty sweet. One of them is their dynamic spider, which keeps TS parameters the same at high and low volumes. It's pretty impressive. But I think if you really listen to the owner of the company, get start to see the point at which he's coming from, which is just to continue to have this industry moving forward. Which I think everyone can get behind. If you take a look at the link that I pinned at the top, there's a great interview with him, where he talks about the technologies that they have coming out along with praising other companies that do things well.

Their websites are all jacked up. Couldn't find prices on anything. Someone needs to pay more attention to that detail. Or is this another case of, if you have to ask, you can't afford it?

Uh, JBL and Altec Lansing had 500Hz compression drivers 60+ years ago. I'm sure the Kartesian drivers are nice, but I don't see what's so impressive about 700Hz.

@Troypluslinz

3 жыл бұрын

What we need are compression drivers that are designed strictly for hifi. Compression drivers have improved significantly in 60 years but they are all nearly intended for high power handing and limited bandwidth.

Why would they put that shiny dust cap on the 2"? It just makes it look like any other cheap driver... Shame because if you look at everything else you can tell it's really high quality.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

It probably has something to do with the dampening for that particular driver. I'm sure the shiny part is a matter of preference. I actually kind of like it. But I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't like it.

Why are there so many negative comments?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Great question. This is a guy who wants to help innovate the Hi-Fi industry. You really get to see who he is when you watch the interview I did with him. He truly congratulates companies and is excited for companies that do things well. and he hopes that they push his company to do things even better. I love seeing companies like that.

The parent company is Kardashian

Why did ypu start with "I mean" when you hadn't said anything needing clarification to begin with?

@maltbalz

3 жыл бұрын

To trigger pedantic folks...

next time please tell us more what we need to be "really impressed by". dont wait for us to be impressed organically, just tell us when to be impressed.

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

The driver's design and what it can do off course. It should be obvious.

This think looks beefy

Want very much to build two mini subwoofers !. Would love to use back to back 4” (as video highlights ) drivers powered by a 500 w ,or so in each enclosure !…this is a comment type site. I got directed here,…as when I wanted to contact for info .they directed here ,as I wasn’t a business!?🤷🏻‍♂️….will I get a reply from here???…thanx…Anthony🤙🏻

What happened to Kartesian? Their site is gone from the internet?

@Toid

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good question. I haven't heard anything from them

@ubacow7109

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Hope everything is going well w/ them still, I hope the global shortage didnt affect them too hard.

@Toid

2 жыл бұрын

@@ubacow7109 I do as well. I did notice that they are still for sale on THLP, so there's still hope. I did send them an email. Hopefully we can get some clarity.

It's a 4" woofer, -20db at 30hz ain't a sub.

Why is seth rogen advicing me on my hifi future

Better call him Kardashian. He would have been even more successful

What is it with hifi reviewers and indoor baseball caps these days? Jeez!

My subwoofer rant. How can you call a speaker that is -3dB at 42 Hz a subwoofer? That is not even a great spec for a woofer. I'll admit that it is good for its size but "sub woofer"?

@johnhodgson5313

2 жыл бұрын

@Robert Jansen I admit you are correct as far as what is commonly accepted. I will also agree that the little speaker above does a very good job. The construction well thought out and executed. However I guess my argument is the dilution of language. The words "extreme", "ultra" and "awesome" now describe things that are barely above the mundane. Allowing that sub woofer means below woofer, I got a little cranky when I recently saw a 2 way speaker advertised as having a tweeter and a sub woofer.

As you can imagine… probably not affordable.

Typical Prices None forthcoming? Not even at their website how to do business?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

The prices are on tlhp. Unfortunately there was a major fire at ovh, which is a data storage center. Because of this a lot of French websites have gone down. You can find out the prices by emailing tlhp or contacting them on Facebook. m.facebook.com/Toutlehautparleur/ until their website is back up.

Want to be revolutionary? Find a way to make it affordable to the masses.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what they're doing. I just sat down live with him and he's making his drivers affordable without sacrificing quality. The price point is drivers are actually very reasonable.

@IRQ1Conflict

3 жыл бұрын

Ah! Good to hear then. Carry on. 😁

unconvincing

Ora graphene is the future, paper and other cone materials is flawed with distortions no matter how they try to enhance it.

@C--A

3 жыл бұрын

Graphene can only currently be manufactured as a coating on woofers. It's not possible for a all graphene woofer so it's not the future. Much more interesting with almost similar properties is TeXtreme woofers. And nanotube carbon fiber woofers. Both these are already in a few consumer woofers.

@wric01

2 жыл бұрын

It's been demonstrated with proprietary glue graphene gq to maintain 95% graphene.

Not talk .not talk

So if he provided drivers for speakers that cost more than a house, the drivers he sells cost more than what....a car?

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

They are actually very affordable. Here he dives into more detail about what they are doing and what his company is all about: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmqXutSLmtC8cqw.html

@jked7463

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid i'll check them out.

I don't see anything special here

blablabla la

The performance are not so revolutionary. Average

There’s nothing new to this driver. So many more innovative drivers than Kartesian. Sorry this is all marketing BS.

Where can i buy these speakers?? For DIY???

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

Tlhp is the distributor. Down due to a fire at a cloud storage facility. It's affecting quite a few websites in their area.

@vincedicker4285

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid In which other speakers they are used, i need some reference.

@Toid

3 жыл бұрын

@@vincedicker4285 if you're talking about oem, most of those have NDA's signed. But these use them. klinger-favre-english.blogspot.com/2020/01/wip-studio-38.html?m=1