This is an impartial take on the game mode that everyone is sleeping on. It seems like by accident but this game mode flourishes with cold war planes and it offers something unique that the other games simply are unable to provide. As always, I don't advocate to play only one game because not one game is able to satisfy everything, so with that said, I think there is a compelling reason to include this game mode in your rotation. LMK what you think

@shize9ine

22 күн бұрын

As far as favorite WT child, its probably Ground RB, Air RB, Air AB, Naval AB, Naval RB, Air Assault, Heli (A?RB), then Air SB. I play sim whenever there are weird challenges that i know i can exploit with some sneaky SIM techniques because WT dev gives SB no love.

@ballistix1117

22 күн бұрын

Lack of tuto, poor default controls. It took me so much time to learn mouse & keyboard (all the controls and getting use to them, which I never could at the end :/ ) just to be shot down like a bot, it felt like a bad investement. You need other (better) air sim experience to get in the bath or you just set yourself to loose.

@RogueBeatsARG

22 күн бұрын

Sim is fun, and for a "Grind" perspective is way better than RB, but many people miss it cause they feel like they need a HOTAS and Track IR to play

@mangosuppe8706

22 күн бұрын

What's your setup? I only have an entry level flight stick.

@williamgunter4268

22 күн бұрын

​@RogueBeatsARG please share how you play sim without a HOTAS. I want to play sim but feel like I need one.

Using the "Follow me" interaction in airsim is very useful for situational awareness. It ping your position on the map and usually, if someone near you uses it, you should use it too so that they know you're not a threat.

@ThePandabearzzz

23 күн бұрын

Both follow me and need cover give your exact position on the map but also puts your altitude in chat

@Chaos6-1

22 күн бұрын

Exactly. It always cracks me up when people are like “STOP telling me to follow you, I’m not going to!” I wish the snail would update these a bit, it doesn’t seem that hard “Here’s my pos” doesn’t seem that hard lol

@jakobc.2558

22 күн бұрын

@@ThePandabearzzz yeah but only use "need cover" if you are being attacked.

@shize9ine

22 күн бұрын

@@Chaos6-1 Its like we can figure out position by using the cover/follow chat so why not just give us fake datalink and let us see friendlies on the map? SB is not shown love by the devs ever.

@Chaos6-1

22 күн бұрын

@@shize9ine I fly WWII and Korean era and don’t use radar much..and like E mentioned, WWII mixed maps is a mess so I only fly in more Axis v. Allies scenarios when I can find them

Simulator isn’t a game mode - Enduring Confrontation is the game mode and it’s a travesty that arcade AND realistic aren’t also operating this way. 1,000,000% improved game mode over the regular team deathmatches.

@sakyuz6080

22 күн бұрын

simulator is a gamemode you dummy, air realistic whole thing is the fact that you have a instructor which helps you fly with M&K, and markers. and air arcade whole thing is that its war thunder's take on world of warplanes (the two are really similar ngl.). In sim you have neither instructor or markers > 800m and those are only for allies. you are also stuck to first person view from inside the cockpit. EC, Operations, air battles etc. aren't gamemodes, those are missions, you can check it by yourself, just when you are in hangar, click on the spot where you choose the gamemode, and in top left of the "air arcade, air realistic, etc" it will say "GAMEMODE", and guess what? sim is in there.

@greekdino8819

21 күн бұрын

Don’t “erm actually” enigma, hes trying his best to

@hybrid_grizzly

21 күн бұрын

@@greekdino8819RBEC is peak tho, it used to be an event occasionally and they stopped because we wouldn’t shut up about how it should be the default gamemode

@D_Azera

20 күн бұрын

@@hybrid_grizzly nice to know there are stupid people working for gaijin

@D_Azera

20 күн бұрын

it would still need some adjustment but for sure that would be nice to have

Lmao I'm an avid sim lover and that introduction to the the convoy attacks is perfectly accurate you attempt to approach those convoys with anything that can't lock on or target them beyond 3km and you get smacked out of the sky by the AI AA tanks that don't even have radar turned on. Even ostwinds and wriblewinds at lower brs are lasers

@JSDFEnthusiast

21 күн бұрын

The gepard single handedly making me cower in fear at the sound of rwr tone

@ThePlatinumsquirrel

18 күн бұрын

Wirblewinds will slap you down from like 5kms in my experience. Tried to do a AD4 run on one and it was horrible.

The only thing I play War Thunder for anymore is air sim lmaooo

@shitpost4204

22 күн бұрын

same. I almost only play sim these days

@TheDougsSB

21 күн бұрын

if you have tried to play it at top tier, dont, its the worst experience ive ever had in a game period and you will just end up not liking sim at all because of that 1 bracket

@skyhager5953

21 күн бұрын

@TheDougsSB Yeah, I only go up to 11.3 really. Have a ton of fun there.

Love flying the Buccaneer in Sim the way our lord and saviour Blackburn intended; Sea-skimming at 700mph to smack carriers with a full 16,000lbs bomb load.

@Arnechk

21 күн бұрын

Got WT just for the Lancaster, and since the Buccaneer dopped, I knew what it does, but I was far away from jets... Now it's becoming my next target to grind for.

@petrkdn8224

20 күн бұрын

Yep!

I wish we had Air RB EC.

@KeepZeeZ

22 күн бұрын

What's stopping you from playing sim? (Let's talk through it lol)

@House_of_Schmidt

22 күн бұрын

@KeepZeeZ I've played Sim. It's fun. It's just I like the RB 3rd person view and controls better. So I just wish RB's gamemode wasn't so gimped and we could have EC with RB controls

@lasse4416

20 күн бұрын

100% agreed. I play lots of sim but arb when i know i cant play uninterrupted for long. Arb is more relaxing and id love to see EC mode on it. Preferably without enemy markers so positioning, bombing and flanking would be easier.

@ZigaZagu

17 күн бұрын

Sure, but no markers. Like in ground rb

@Pouzdraken

12 күн бұрын

@@ZigaZaguas an rb player, I wouldn’t mind this, in lower brs of top tier like 11.0 I like to say just below the point where I get contrails since most people are at the deck and im still as invisible as possible. The name tag usually gives me away and my poor viggen doesn’t do too well against aim7fs, especially when notching is a little hard with massive blind spots in the rwr lol. Still, if im unspotted then it’s 2 easy kills with the radar missiles.

Good points on what most of us have been griping about. It's an easy game mode to pop in and out of and can be played alone. More realistic sims I feel like I need to set aside a timeline and schedule with friends in order to have a good time. The bomber problem is actually why the sim reward system is structured the way it is. Some problems you missed which may become more acute as you play more; AI: Ground target AI is widely different between matches. Certain AAA systems (m42s in convoys) will delete you at ridiculous ranges. But a radar guided ZSU will struggle to stop you on a low approach. Carriers on Denmark, the one to the north will delete you at 4000m going mach 1.20. the southern carrier will let you land on it. The lack of variety in targets to attack. It's bomb a base, bomb a convoy(completely ignored unless standoff AGMs are in play). Bomb a carrier. There are no mobile Sam sites, battles only spawn after an area is secured. The bombing of bases also truly makes this game mode favor NATO forces to win nearly every match in the cold war era. The effect of bombing targets is widely disproportionate compared to intercepting those targets and destroying enemy ground forces and seizing territory. The mode is a great start and easy to pop in and out of but it lacks so much and at this point is primarily used as a bomber grindfest and we haven't seen a major update to the game mode in almost 2 years!

One perk of war thunder sim is itll run VR maxed out on a Toaster, compared to DCS that has to compromise with a 4090. Its my preferred vr experience.

@jimlthor

13 күн бұрын

Yep. Had it maxed on a 3070ti and it never dipped below 90fps. Super smooth performance

Convoys still have aimbot

@M3D1C1

22 күн бұрын

You’re right… the AAA and sams are strictly visual assets that can be damaged. The shooting effect is modeled completely seperate from the vehicle… you damaged their vehicle? They still shoot. Kill the gunner? They still shoot. Damage the gun barrels? They still shoot. Shoot off their radar? They still shoot…. It’s extremely dissatisfying to the point where I only fight ground targets with modern standoff weapons.

@polsatinter5400

19 күн бұрын

Fuck them bots (no robo)

Air Sim jets up until 11.7 feel super evenly balanced (aside from France getting premiums with all-aspect IRCCMs at 11.0) even. And now with the recent decompression plans (and stock ARH missiles) it's likely about to get less frustrating at the higher levels too. "This is a game to enjoy not a labour camp to grind" is the perfect counter to those people who think they can just say "PVE" and hurl abuse at anyone with a kill on the scoreboard.

@popmordiscos

22 күн бұрын

Yesterday I was playing Heli PvE and realized how relaxing it is in compariason to the grind, and I realized how they could just add heli PvE to Air SB and higher some reaserch on the helis and we would have a even cooler gamemode. Because helis are better against convoys because they get AGMs earlier and the Fighters could play air defence

@michawongar

21 күн бұрын

Like this idea, but Heli SB very hard to manage. Maybe I need way more practise. There is no need ATM , because you can use it in test flight.

@lasse4416

20 күн бұрын

Magic2 is super easy to flare all aspect and at that br there are also r73’s so i think its ok. I consider sparrows much bigger threat

@eaglemach9992

18 күн бұрын

Lets say i want to fly a f-16 in sim, i am a new account, why would i not advocate for a peaceful pve grind in a lobby ? i feel a lot veteran players have kind of lost the plot on why this is a thing.

@Egg-2

17 күн бұрын

​@@eaglemach9992Warthunder is a PVP primary game. Just because one of the gamemodes focuses more on PVE doesn't mean that you should expect everyone to stop doing the main focus of the game. It's a PVP game first and foremost so expect other people to try and shoot you down

I still remember when gaijin marketted sim as the "definitive" way to play warthunder. almost 10 years ago... rip

@ragingpotato817

6 күн бұрын

The irony is, it’s true. Even tank battles are more fun when you have to identify the target first and range your shot.

Fell in love with Air Sim when I bought myself a VR headset. Stomping "Aardvark lobbies" on event days to see them throwing tantrums in chat is the most fun I ever had in WarThunder

It's interesting revisiting Sim EC. When I left Sim EC for DCS some three? years ago, the korean era and beyond were much less populated than they are now. Though part of that was due to repair costs in sim EC being absurd at the time. It's a game mode that has tremendous potential, but unfortunately I suspect it will always remain so.

@IndianArma

21 күн бұрын

I play dcs a lot. Almost enjoy wt sim more to my shame 😂

Im at the stage of WT where I only play airsim EC, very relaxing

@cdeAB-tb9bm

22 күн бұрын

While i’m playing it cuz it’s the only mode where i can get serious profit there

@rampageTG

15 күн бұрын

@@cdeAB-tb9bmif your just looking to grind SL and don’t mind spending 20-40 USD I’d highly suggest getting the USS Davis and Moffet. Those two DDs are ridiculously good SL grinders. Had 2 %500 SL boosters and ended up earning 2.3 mil in 2 17min games. If you don’t want to spend money the Davis is on the market for 22 GJN so all you really need is to sell one or two coupon vehicles to get it.

I started dabbling in air Sim and it’s become my go to mode. The lack of huge fur balls with missiles flying everywhere is definitely worth it. I fly exclusively 10.0 to 11.7 for a few reasons. I use a gaming laptop so my screen is relatively small and visual spotting is an issue. Radar allows me to spot and identify enemies. Winter maps with contrails everywhere does mitigate the need for radar, though. However, jets do let you skip the torque issues on prop planes and are easier to fly. I don’t fly higher than 11.7 because higher than that constantly forces you into a top tier and fox 3 hell which I don’t have the situational awareness to deal with. Dumb and hampering my growth and skills? Probably. But the 10.0-11.7 range allows me to have fun and being useful to the team. And that’s been a long time since I have had in this game. Actual fun. So what if the BR range is restricted. I no longer have to grind. No stress about RP or SL. Just fly out. Master your plane of preference. Try to shoot down more planes than the times you get shot down. Once in a while try to finally figger out how many bombs and where to take out USS Forrestal. Do the sacrilegious act of using War Thunder as a means to decompress, relax and have fun at the end of the day. Did i mention that i like Sim?

@Enigma89

19 күн бұрын

A reasonable take, thanks for sharing

I've been saying that for years, removal of Enduring Confrontation from Air RB was the WORST decision gaijin ever pulled off. It solves most of current 16vs16 deathmatch issues and doesn't even require adding anything new into the game, just turn the damn mode on for realistic flight model as well.

I played this mode with the A10A using a 150% RP booster, I got 100k RP. I'm about to finish researching all rank7 planes Just playing sim battles, it took me a little over 3 hours to fully learn to fly my plane and adapt to the controls. Since I started playing sim battles I have gotten the most satisfaction and fun playing war thunder in a while.

"Full Real Battles" over a decade ago was fun. Unfortunately the grind was too much.

0:15 "the last one" meanwhile Air Arcade is tied to a chair on the seabed.

WT Air Sim was actually what i got started in, around 2017. I had a ps4 but didn't have enough money for a PC to play dcs. I can't remember when i first saw the Ki-44, but I think it was probably War Thunder. Well i grinded until i got the 44, then decided to teach myself how to dogfight with that plane, which I basically flew nothing but for 2 years in Air Sim until I got a PC.

Spotting is perfect in WT Sim. I can not dogfight properly in DCS bcoz of still bad spotting-rendering whatever but in WT im enjoying merge a lot. WT has a lot of potential wasted by arcade and arcade++ modes + monetization.

@michaelc9155

23 күн бұрын

It's far from perfect. Contacts are hard to see against ground, at medium distances they have weird elongated shape. And currently there is a bug with planes being visible at any distance as light blue dots. But it's still playable ofc

@yono367

21 күн бұрын

its a simcade by design, its meant for a more casual audience

@Aphexion

19 күн бұрын

@@michaelc9155 What I cannot stand is the fact that it is extremely difficult to determine if an aircraft is friendly or foe. And I know some people say "Of course, if you identify the shape of the aircraft, you can guess what country it is from". Once I was playing a Sim game where Sweden was on the opposite team and I saw a Draken. I wrote "any friendly there?" and marked a point on the map. No one answered. My radar couldn't tell if it was friendly or not, but it did tell it was a Draken. I said "sweden is enemy, I'll shoot". I fired a missile, hit him and, for my surprise, it was a friendly player flying a "captured Draken". How the hell am I supposed to know, if there's lack of communication and every top tier plane exists in pretty much each nation?

@michaelc9155

19 күн бұрын

@@Aphexion it must have been a gripen, as drakens are only in the Swedish tech tree. Also if your radar has iff it should identify friendlies as two lines (not in ACM mode). In lower br brackets it's more difficult of course. Also rwr now shows only foes

@orangek4t

18 күн бұрын

@@michaelc9155 RWR only show foes if your RWR can detect which plane is nailing you, the ones who only show direction will still show friendlies

I've been playing Air Sim almost exclusively for almost two years and can honestly say it's the most fun way to play top tier.

Speaking of the grind, sim used to be much better for grinding vehicles and modifications out than it it is now, but those same farmers you mentioned ruined that too. They would find ways to exploit the earnings system, and Gaijin imposed the current 15 minute cap on rewards because of it 🤒. Really enjoyed the video though!

@tu7765

11 күн бұрын

Gayjin hate sim players

I haven’t player WT in months, and my friends and I started playing Air and Ground Sim again as of a couple weeks ago. We are having so much more fun with it. Partially because we stopped caring about the grind, but also the players and matches are just more enjoyable overall imo than RB.

@Enigma89

21 күн бұрын

Well said

Yey c= nice to see Enigma covering War Thunder Air Sim more x3 the more attention put towards it the better, I'm sure many other Air Sim players and content creators feel the same and see the much untapped potential in Air Sim too

We’ve been asking for anything you can possibly think of for YEARS. If anything gets done it’ll be an absolute miracle

About the grind… To play planes like the F15 and F16. A new WT player with experience in DCS who bought an F4S may be mad about the grind they’re put through. The F4S now is in a bracket that it has to face AMRAAMs with a limited set of strategies to counter it. I’m a 10 year WT player, very fond of Sim battles and I happily bought an F4 premium to grind my tech tree. It took me about 100+ hours to reach from the last P51, the H variant, to the F15C. Using Talismen to speed up the RP gains everytime I found a good plane to fly. I’m assuming this delayed gratification, the modification unlock tree for every plane is not ideal. I would love to see bigger Air Sim battles and stronger players. Great video!

i played air sim for the first time yesterday, ive always just played air rb cause im insane, its not like i didnt have the ability too because ive had a hotas and vr for a while now but i just never thought to, after finally trying it it was eye opening. i wish more people played it

Every single time people talk about Air sim in war thunder I bring up what it used to be. EC is fantastic and should continue to be up 24/7 as it is. Sim used to be just like Air RB but with sim controls and the queue times were long BUT they also had historical EVENTS. I miss them so much, once a day or week (I forgot cause it was like 10 years ago) they would host events based off of historical ones. So you would be fighting in the Battle of Britian, or Midway, or Pearl Harbor, and all the planes in the event were strictly what was used in the real battle. Those events were always packed and had near instant queue times. I wish they would bring those back, they were the most immersive WT has ever been and ever will be unless they come back. They could do it like one day per week have a historical event (that way it wouldn't be 24/7 and over saturate) and it would probably have short queues and great gameplay. Think about that most recent B-17 escort event that occurred the other month for you newer players.

War Thunder sim solves one of my biggest gripes with RB and AB. Getting uptiered sucks, the higher the BR the greater the jump in technology you have to fight. Air sim you can see exactly what BR you are in and know what you’re going to face at most and you always get options to pick from. Bad day for your jets? Go enjoy some props or Korean War area jets.

I don't play WT, but from the outside looking in it makes no sense that the snail has not capitalized more on what they have. A lobby of all out war with players controlling ships, tanks, and aircraft would be fantastic. I guess it may be difficult to get everyone on board since as you mentioned many players just shut their brains off to grind. Would be super cool to see though, it's what I've always wanted in a sim.

@Enigma89

22 күн бұрын

I don't fault for what the Snail has done but rather what it hasn't. They are sitting on a gold mine but the issue is that, the gold mine seems to already be printing. I guess they are nervous of changing things up.

@IdahoBookworm

22 күн бұрын

@@Enigma89 Honestly, the sim community is such a tiny, tiny fraction of their player base that I don't blame them. But it is sad.

@M00n_TV

22 күн бұрын

@@Enigma89 I think you hit the nail on the head, they could capture so much more of the market but they seemingly don't put in the effort to. We see it time and time again with the industry. It's very much "if it ain't broke" aspect, why invest in new avenues when they already have a cash cow. My question is, when it comes to RB and they run out of new vehicles to develop then what? The F-15 and F-16 are about as modern as they can be, the next gen of fighters is pretty limited numbers wise. Not to mention the specs they need to somewhat simulate the aircraft are nonexistent to the public. If I were them, I'd be thinking of ways to expand the gameplay since they've added just about every vehicle since WW1 at this point. But that's just my borderline uninformed opinion! Love the vids by the way, I'm waiting on hotas mounts to come in and then I'm heading straight to your DCS cold war server.

@Matias-dr3ys

22 күн бұрын

years ago they were experimenting with a "world war" mode but i guess it didnt work out since they scrapped it.

@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289

22 күн бұрын

You are probably new to War Thunder then. The majority of War Thunder players don't even want to get attacked by planes.

ground sim sitting in the background: im not forgotten just nobody knows i exist

Air sim EC is the only mode I play too. One of the biggest barriers to people is most serious players will recommend a HOTAS joystick hardware. Well that takes money & space, and maintenance (HW failures, stick drift, worn out springs, etc). This video does a concise setup guide on how to fly air sim with mouse & keyboard. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmGWj5KmobTHfKg.htmlsi=Krqx2_EsUMEDe7Wz One of the subtle benefits of this system over other M&K setups is one can still look and fly at the same time, which is critical in dogfights. It does take some practice, but worth mastering.

It's amazing how Gaijin put so much effort into making Jet missiles and systems very realistic but they have like the most pathetic modeling of aircraft ammunition. We have custom loadouts but are forced to choose between a few premade belts that often times don't contain the ammunition that you want to use, so you always have to compromise. If your gun fires explosive ammo, doesn't matter which caliber, you only want to use those because somehow a plane loses it's wing from 3 12.7mm HE rounds but a pilot can also take 2-3 htis, making rounds that don't deal high structural damage completely obsolete.

Seeing a DCS cc talk about War Thunder sim in a good light is so awesome, thank you!

i wish they would add sead to air sim, with proper SAMs, that would be a really fun thing to do

I live in New Zealand and there are only 2-3 servers with 10 people each when I’m awake.

Great video Enigma, i recently got into War Thunder and was very intimidated by Sim, but decided to give it a shot with Hotas and VR, and im glad i did, i really like it, i jumped straight from Arcade to Sim and i think its very fun and agree that it could be taken to the next level if only the Snail would give it much deserved love. o7

I never thought of putting helicopters into Air Sim but I gave it a little time in my brain and I realised how god damn cool would that be. Instead of wasting tons of time on turning around while doing CAS you could just hover, also... you get to see/use something else than an A-10 or Su-25

It would be so cool to have sim become a gamemode where we have planes, tanks, and helicopters all working together in harmony. Planes could bomb bases than the tanks could go secure them. say someone gets into a tough situation, you have teammates on hand with helis and planes. So much potential wasting away right now

This is a great video. Easy to miss some parts of warthunder that are good!

@AdmV0rl0n

20 күн бұрын

Having said that, they block mouse mode and make this 'difficult'. Having spun it up, the only way I could do this is by ploughing through masses of controls/getting a flight stick. The game mode needs to offer sim controls, but equally allow normal players in on their controls..

Oh man, I mainly play Air RB but sim is super fun and sometimes it’s just better than ARB, I have vivid memories of getting my first sim kills and taking off in 109s when me and my buddy got into WT Sim, not to mention you can actually dogfight people, the community has been wanting Air RB EC for a long time ever since they made an event for it in realistic the game would’ve so much better

Glad to see you're enjoying it! We here in the War Thunder air sim community share the same views as you. Gaijin is sitting on a gold mine, it's a damn shame they haven't seized the opportunity to help air sim reach its full potential.

Totally agree EC is where it's at. In one playthrough of a mission, I got 48 air to air kills in my P-38 lineup. Mostly bots probably, but coming from RB where I'd be lucky to score a single kill, I was on cloud nine, lol

Air arcade not getting mentioned is the funniest thing, the real forgotten mode

@angelnunez6476

17 күн бұрын

Meanwhile all naval modes…

@nick4754

17 күн бұрын

@@angelnunez6476 to be fair naval isn't real, it's a phyop from the snail

@angelnunez6476

16 күн бұрын

@@nick4754 true

I specifically asked my family to get me a flight stick for Christmas last year so I could play sim, since controller is doable but very frustrating, first game I played with the stick was in the mig-29smt going 50-15 and earned roughly 2mil sl and 200k rp. I haven't played sim since Feb this year due to the new jets, but now that I'm trying to spade the su-27 and other top teirs I think I might pic it up again

I used to play War Thunder air sim a lot, but got tired of the grind years ago and stopped 2 and a half years ago. I just got Il-2 Battle of Moscow and having a blast with it, but I agree that the multiplayer is either really congested, or really empty. That also might have to do with the fact that in War Thunder you can see enemies across the map though. (All airplanes appear as black dots on the screen and they don't get smaller in size after a certain distance away, I have no idea if that is realistic or not. I've just noticed that in Il-2 you have a limited view distance of airplanes.) I've also never gotten as far as cold war planes in War Thunder, you have to grind in Realistic mode to get silver lions, but research points seem easy to come by in Sim mode. If you don't have a very high K/D you always lose in game currency in Sim mode. I've only gone positive in Silver Lions in Sim mode getting a K/D of about 2.5-3, and if you accidentally shoot down a friendly, you can lose up to 50,000 silver lions, getting a kill only nets you about 1000. Edit: Also just remembered my biggest pet peeve. Someone will sometimes get into a German premium P-47 and net a massive K/D on the server because people are too afraid to accidentally friendly fire. Basically the consequence of accidentally killing a friendly is more severe than going near a friendly-enemy plane in Sim.

I used to fly Air sim, Im with you with on the inconsistent lineups with captured aircraft. It bothers me to no end. In my opinion the way to fix it, would be to introduce a mechanic where captured/lend lease vehicles cannot be used against their nation of origin. IE if Germany is on the opposite team and you are Sweden you cannot use the Bf-109 in the match, or if you are Italy fly against USA you cannot fly the P-47.

Check out the pantsir in the replay's sensor view, that PESA is crazy.

it's cool to see you playing sim in war thunder. i've enjoyed playing air sim but the biggest negative for me is the useful actions systems. the fact that you get less RP for playing sim than playing air RB is just soul crushing if you want to grind any tech trees. for helicopters, it would be cool to add them into sim EC like they are in your DCS server but some changes would be needed. Like the Chinese helicopters and their TY-90 missiles being basically win buttons because of how flare resistant they are. they already cause a lot of issues even in ground RB.

@Enigma89

9 күн бұрын

Do not grind, just play 🙏

I have no problem with the Grinders, I am doing it myself in between fights or hunt enemies when my Bombs are spent. Its okay, and its what makes it so great for me as a more casual Sim player (due to my job and work times). You can choose your kind of egagements and objectives you wanna do, and also Grinding bombers contribute to the tickets in mixed teams. But the furball is not for everyone and I like to approach my fights on my terretory not the other way around, if I can.

Its always more fun when you're not worried about the grind

@Old_Shakes

11 күн бұрын

Its to the point that i purchased the premium saber with good silver bonus so i can grind silver but chill and hone my dogfight skills. The grind will turn people away that are big into grindy games lol

It’s not forgotten, it was abandoned by snail. It used to be great. 2 teams, cockpit view only, fight till the last team stands. Repeat. Now it’s enduring battles. You get a crap start spawn plane, grind to better stuff even though you grinded to get it, now you gotta grind again to be allowed to fly it. I bailed on war thunder, got a pc and went to DCS. Or for WWII IL2. I didn’t spend 600 hours grinding to get jets only to be told I now need to score 10 kills in a prop plane to get to use the thing.

I made the switch to Air Sim when the Air RB timer was dropped to what it currently is. I had an IR tracker and it just made sense. Then I got VR and now it’s the only mode I’ll play. I honestly haven’t looked back. I enjoy the fact that if you have half of a brain, you can use tactics to win your fights. Also, I like the fact that you aren’t spotted like you are in Air RB. You can fly into low cloud coverage and ambush people not paying attention. It’s great. It does need some attention these days though. And don’t get me started on those spawned convoys. They’re insanely OP.

I was typing this long essay about my experience, and I found something that might help air sim. So at the moment, anyone doing objectives like killing ground units gets hunted down by everyone cause you just gave your position away in the kill feed. Gaijin should remove the kill feed in air sim. It should just show you your own kills or just air to air kills... I feel like that would make ground attack a lot more viable as you're not brodcasting your location with every kill.

Disparity between planes is also to be noticed... its frustrating how badly ther BRs are work out that a plane with no flares is often matched against AIM-9L which are virtually unavoidable without CM

I can't take RB seriously after trying sim mode about 2.5 years ago. Haven't played air rb for any other reason but grinding modules since then. Every aspect of air battle now makes sense - from hiding in the clouds to using the landscape. And all those R-27ET feel too sweet in sim to ignore this game mode. Have been watching your videos since starting to play Naval Action. But I got tired with NA and it's a good time to get all those FOX-3 planes. Seeing you making videos about WT sim makes me feel I'm doing right thing playing this. Enigma approval is a good thing to have.

I have several dcs modules, IL-2 GB and have Falcon bms, but I often come back to war thunder. I find it much more accessible, being easy to jump in, have a match, and jump out. With the others, especially dcs, you spend ages trying to learn the plane, just to forget everything a few weeks later if you don't play. That being said, air sim needs a lot of work. Just a few tweaks here and there would make it fantastic. I really hope this vid does well, and the snail sees it and puts stone more love into this mode

"If you play to grind you've already lost" ..... I understand the message but AirSim forces some grind due to the high cost of spawning planes.

Been playing war thunder since 2016 and only just started air Sim this week. It's been insanely fun.

The only reason I don't play Air Sim is because I don't have the money for a good HOTAS setup, I would argue that accessibility is the biggest problem with sim.

ARB EC would fix so many issues and give an opportunity to reintroduce bomber gameplay for both props and jets

The majority of my time in WT I have spent in air sim and yes it gets dull eventually. Sure it will always be go from A to B, find and hit the target, return home and that is it but they could add much more depth relatively simple as outlined so many times.

I completetly left Air RB behind and even got myself IR head tracker to play Air Sim. It is fantastic game mode. I also support the idea of adding helicopters to the mix. It would not only give better way to grind helicopters but also spice up Vietnam/Modern BRs.

I learned to dogfight in ww2 sim in WT. It's still the most fun for a VR user like me, because of the vision (dots rendered). IL2 multiplayer ist zoom'n'boom heaven most of the time. Your server on DCS is bluefor paradise... You don't need to do a manual start of a plane to have fun dogfighting. As you said, itches/scratches...

I want to interject into the first 10 seconds of the video. this game mode is so forgotten I've never seen a video about it. Naval

I started with sim few weeks ago and its great and fun. But in top tier my su-27sm gets bullied its just not enjoyable. Great video dude.

While playing a single game mode can burn you out, I do definitely think that air sim E.C. is the best example of both how much fun this game can be and the wasted potential. Still, it is my go to game mode, I barely touch realistic battles from time to time to research planes but once I have them, I only play sim. Also, what is the website you're using around 3:55? Great video btw!

Love it honestly and felt kinda upset when you said it’s dead

Okay you won me over, I will try it.

Sim is all that matters for air if they had full sim between all three parts of the game we’d really have something amazing on our hands.

Hello from Creature259, I wouldn’t be surprised you have seen me in game😊. I practically only play sim. I mainly fly fighters and try to harass the whole enemy team😂

Long rant about air sim qualities that i wish gaijin didn't remove from air rb. Best part about air sim is that it's total match time was never touched by the snail. Matches go on longer than 20 min and the map/objectives keep flowing. Too bad air rb was pretty much completely destroyed by that change. Ground rb not so much since usually ran out of tickets around 30 min in anyways. But air rb was completely changed just from something as simple as changing a 1 hour timer to a 20 minute (25 but it takes 5 min to actually do something) timer. Originally all the maps had various ground objective for cas and the like to hit which could influence major power shifts on the map itself, if you want a example that still works check out norway, its really hard to get in an actual match but its still there, but either defending the landing craft or destroying it would change who could then land on the middle island for R&R and this could change hands twice which was insanely cool. Most maps had stuff like this and when gajin changed the timer... every and I do mean every single map and its ground objectives were now pointless and could not do anything since most of the time the ground stuff wouldn't change until around the 20 minute mark. when enough people pointed this new problem out to gaijin.... they did what gaijin always does and so they just removed the problem altogether... by making every map just be a row of tanks vs another row of tanks, or tanks vs pillboxes, ect, ect. Some maps had some very unique objectives, for instance on spain around early jets br you could try to intercept a small group of bombers.... that had a few FULLY FUNCTIONAL ESCORTS that could shoot you down. I had a match where one of the ai escorts broke away from the bombers and flew all the way across the map and clutch a 5 vs 2 by shooting down 4 ( yes 4) enemies for us. The first 2 didn't see the ai coming, the 3rd lost the dogfight, and the 4th began running away but was eventually chased down. I was gonna record the replay the day after but a patch had broken the replays. This change also led a lot more people to bring their cas into ground rb instead because how un rewarding air rb cas became, so if you wanna be mad at cas players in ground rb, be mad at gaijin instead cause they took cas' habitat away. This also led to air rb not really having any tactics involved anymore, people just kinda fly straight in and thats it now. This made airfield campers (people who after around 15-20 min go back and just fly circles around their friendly base) more common and you won't usually have much time to swap loadouts to hit ground targets before you lose because of having a couple less tickets when the match timer ends. Also i wish Ground sim had the same lobby making as air sim, the 2 a week very limited brackets is very annoying.

Coming back to WT in these days too, and initially get very confused with the IFF especially without EWR o CGI at all and the pointed out mess with mixed Airframe over tech trees, found Radio command very usefull to report my position and checking if ally in area, not totally accurate but actually seem really the only way if not playing in team. The Sim mode look pretty cool, but a little underpopulated with rooms always Half empty. The good thing is that I also noticed that a Uniformed development of airframe reduce the risk of having inconsistent flight or damage model (still present with many other little bugs) resulting in a more consistent overall experience even with the low fidelity model that it offer.

War Thunder sim battles are all I play these days. The potential for the game mode to grow and become the primary war Thunder game mode has been there for years now but they just ignore it. I’m beginning to think they know full well that EC is the better game mode but refuse to do anything with it because they know that frustrating players is a significant driver of their premium sales. Being able to respawn eliminates so much of that frustration and doing so may impact their sales… at least that’s their calculus I assume. In reality though, players enjoying a game tend to spend more on it so they’re shouting themselves in the foot by ignoring it.

you know that almost no one plays ur favorite game mode when they call it the forgotten game mode, since i got the f80 and f5e i almost never played realistic battles

I’ve been doing this for a little while now (revisiting WT)..I had played Air Sim for years and then jumped over to DCS. But going back these past few months, I really remember now that is just fun. Variety is the spice with WT and the little things are what make it enjoyable. I don’t need full fidelity to just have a little fun.

@popmordiscos

22 күн бұрын

I agree that the biggest advantage with warthunder is the variety of the vehicles, in all gamemodes, the br brackets with the most fun are those that have multiple different aircraft and tanks that have small or big advantages over one another

4:20 Oh?? Big surprise. Enigma's favorite era to play in War Thunder is cold war.. :P Good vid bro.

i like how hes talking about the forgotten game mode but doesnt even mention naval battles lol

@Enigma89

20 сағат бұрын

The second most forgotten game mode doesn't have the same ring to it tho

The labor camp is Air RB tbh

@Enigma89

17 күн бұрын

Real

There are planes I’d love to fly in this setting but they just don’t have premiums, and I’m not really willing to spend that much time

@KeepZeeZ

22 күн бұрын

I realize this has little to do with your comment; but, imo, the low tier stuff is the most fun to play --it's also the most skill based.

@TheSpacePerson

19 күн бұрын

@@KeepZeeZ I get it, but a lot of my interest lies in other time periods, which I can experience and enjoy in other sims

Cool, I'll try it

That looks so fun but the main issue I have with war thunder is that I don't want to spend every day in a few months grinding it out just to unlock something like the mig19

cant say ive ever found the captured WWII planes to be an issue in sim, you kinda get used to it after a while and know what to expect

I would pay a subscription to the snail for them to develop WT Sim with a dedicated team. Especially if that included playable EC sim ground during air EC.

after years of tryn to convice the snail, i gave up 2 years ago. i wish you luck.

Spot on. Air Sim has so much potential. Went from RB to sim at 9.7. Feels a lot less arbitrary and rewarding than RB. But as you point out, Gajin could give sim a lot more love.

This seems like a game mode I would love to have in DCS.... I think I will check it out, I'm sort of tired of the DCS flaws.

Cant believe Fox 3s ruined the game at top tier

I would put it this way Arcade: Chaotic world, not for everyone Realistic: Slower chaos and most annoying since no respawn and you most likely die fast Sim: Slow methodical chaos with side quests all over the map If you play arcade or sim you play them bec you like them, if you play realistic is most likely just to grind and/or bec the other gamemodes are not for you, but I dont really found realistic consistently fun, it sometimes is, but not most of the time. The biggest problem I've had is in WWII sim with the same aircraft in different nations, when you fight Germany you expect to see Fw-190s and Bf-109s, and there they are, but there is also a fking premium P-47 and you dont shoot him bec you think he is an ally when he is in fact, not an ally

Send this to the snail dude! I love and hate Air sim at the same time for all the reason you described here. This game mod need some love!

My experience has always been positive with air sim. I have a friend who usually flys formation with me, and we patrol the border looking to intercept. Best match we had was in the MiG-21bis, where I was his wingman, we each scored 7 kills and were never shot down. I highly recommend Cold War.

Concur with all your points. Especially with small player counts in most lobbies and potential for incorporating helos into SB EC. But I think it can be taken a step further to fix/improve by using 124x124 Air SB maps to spawn 1-4 of the normal ground sim battles (limited by number of players the server can support). Servers would look somewhat like this: 124x124km Air EC: 10-20 air players to include jets and helos. 12x12km Ground SB inside the 124-124km Air EC: 10-20 ground players. These 30 minute ground battles would spawn throughout the 3 hour EC and be located relative to the frontline based on objectives achieved both on the ground and air. The assumption being air and ground SB players can interact with each other on this EC shared map. However, the increased ranges and alternate objectives would relieve CAS pressure on the ground players while simultaneously enriching the overall battle space.

Haven't played RB since buying a Vr headset and stick 3 years ago. Its addictive!

The problem with adding helis to sim would be all AGMs: you couldn't take off--or at least I wouldn't let you take off--without an AGM coming your way.

Okay but why not add enduring confrontation to air rb? I play ground rb solely to spawn a fighter and fly cap because i love the no icon dogfights (and i also haven't finished my controller settings for sim). Add air rb enduring and as people learn to fly more i think some will naturally move to sim or just play both if they get kinda of training wheels in terms of being able to use rb flight model they're used to while learning to fly with no icons or learning to plan their flights more. This would provide a sort of stepped difficulty where people can stay in a comfort zone until they are curious enough or seeking more of a challenge before jumping up a step. They should make this game mode more obvious for both rb and sim from the start.

Wrong sim is the only reason for war thunder to exist

@clicktresni6298

22 күн бұрын

I'll go a step further. The entire universe exists just so I can play Sim.

i really need to take a look at air sim. Mirage 2000C-s4 is my go-to plane at the moment. I just need to actually set up all my gear for it. Stick and throttle and by the looks of it headtracking as well

i have spent a couple of hours in test drive in sim mode with some premiums