12:40 Interesting thing about the 18 round magazines. If I remember when I played this, the game was set in 1967 and 1968. It was around this time that the m16 was having serious issues with feeding and reliability. The magazines that were issued were meant to be single use and disposable, but a lot of soldiers were ordered to save their magazines and reuse them. This caused a lot of reliability issues and soldier started loading only 18 rounds instead of the full 20. It's neat little detail that shows these developers did their homework. The reliability issues were eventually solved when a guy came to inspect the m16s and find out what was wrong with them. It was eventually determined to be sabotage from the the Springfield Ordnance Co, who were responsible for manufacturing the M14s. They issued the m16s with no cleaning kits, tested them with high grade ammunition only for soldiers to use low grade ammunition in the field and the guns had no chrome lining in the barrels which resulted in bullet casings swelling in the chamber causing whats known as, "failure to extract". This got a lot of men killed as a result. And all because Springfield was biased toward keeping the M14 in service over the M16. The issues were eventually solved and the M16A1 was eventually adopted and sent out in 1969 with new units and barrel replacements to fix the rifles for older units.

@Serygalacaffeine

2 жыл бұрын

Thats shockingly vile. I hope someone went to jail for this.

@Nickallsopp92

2 жыл бұрын

@@Serygalacaffeine it marked the end of Springfield Ordnance Co as the sole supplier of weapons for the US military. These same people also screwed the US out of adopting the FN FAL as the primary service weapon, cause they were tied up in tradition over what was best for the soldiers. The history on it is pretty deep. It goes back to when the Germans adopted the STG 44. What made the weapon so revolutionary was the 7.92×33 kurz round that it fired. It was a shortened version of the 8mm mauser and it was perfect for close quarters battle. After WWII ended every nation wanted to do something similar and adopt an intermediate cartridge. Britain came up with the .280 British round (shortened version of the .303 British) the Soviets adopted the 7.62×39mm (shortened version of their 7.62×54R). The .280 british was favored by most of NATO and they wanted to adopt it across all nations. But the US was tied up in tradition. Our version of a shortened round was the 7.62×51mm which is barely shorter than our 30-06 round (7.62×63mm). We wanted an American rifle and we adopted the M14, (basically a better version of the M1 Garand). And not only did we refuse to adopt the FAL but we also forced the rest of NATO to adopt the 7.62×51mm. Which put all of NATO at a huge disadvantage cause the 7.62×51mm is still a full powered round and has high muzzle climb which makes is hard to shoot in full auto even in FALs, while our enemies were using AKs and the 7.62×39mm (a true intermediate round), our troops were getting outgunned in every firefight as a result. Springfield Ordnance Co did nothing but hold us back. The Colonel who was in charge of the weapons program was fired and the company was shut down. Now military weapon contracts are mostly from private companies like Armalite, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Heckler & Koch, Hershtal and many others. The M16 replaced the M14 in 1970 as the official rifle for the US military and we've been using it ever since.

@Serygalacaffeine

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nickallsopp92 You seem to really know your stuff. What is your take on the army adopting the XM5 now but flat out dropping everything during the OICW program?

@Nickallsopp92

2 жыл бұрын

@@Serygalacaffeine the OICW program I can understand, the grenade launcher they were developing for it was heavier than hell and wasn't all that reliable. Even though they dropped the grenade launcher, the rifle still had promise which led to the XM8 program and again I can see why they eventually dropped it too. The XM8 operated very similar to the HK G36 which was already being battle tested and there was nothing either rifle could do that the M4 couldn't do better. At the end of the day, its better to just stick with what we already have than waste money to adopt another weapon system that's equal to our current rifle. As far the new SIG NGSW program goes I'm kinda torn. I can see the benefits of the new rifle and cartridge but it also feels like history is about to rhyme with this new weapon system. We're dropping an intermediate cartridge for a new full power cartridge (6.8×51mm) yet again, only this time the new guns are gonna have serious firepower cause the new cartridge is said to be able to push 80,000 psi which is great for defeating body armor, but im also betting that recoil is gonna be a bitch. Everyone who has shot it has compared its recoil to the AR10 chambered in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. But all the testing being done right now isn't even using the new hybrid cartridge which means no one has felt what 80k psi feels like in the new platform. Not to mention pressures like that will wear out the barrel much faster than the standard 50k psi most rifle can generate. From what I hear, the elite infantry and special forces are the only ones who are gonna be issued the new rifle for now, that's Rangers, air assault infantry, Navy Seals, and marine force recon. Everyone else is gonna stick to the m4 for the time being. But honestly I'm not sure if it's gonna work any better than OICW, XM8, or even the FN Scar programs. I do like the new light machine gun in the program though.

@GameBoyyearsago

4 ай бұрын

​@@Nickallsopp92 do you have discord? I wanna discuss this issue with you bro : )

Crazy how much research a Czech game from the early 00's put into the setting of Vietcong. Good memories of exploring Nuk Pek between missions, reading all the journal entries, listening to The Stooges on the portable radio, and checking out the guns I'd brought back at the range.

@AlternativeLoffen

2 жыл бұрын

They also did hidden and dangerous and mafia:the city of lost heaven

12:40 apparently the m16 had feeding issues on a full mag, so guys kept 18 in the mags instead.

@jaroroytapel

2 жыл бұрын

Countines to this day. Atleast in Israel we only load to 28 rounds for reliability an the magazines being kinda worn an old.

@deixos2224

2 жыл бұрын

It says so in multiplayer too

@Danefrak

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaroroytapel I don't believe in that mindset but all my mags are new (for now :))

@aOldRustyTruck

2 жыл бұрын

it's fuddlore

@jaroroytapel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Danefrak We still have some of the original A1s with the triangle front grip, so I would guess some of the mags are from the 70s an 80s and very worn from being used often.

I would love a full fledged Vietnam triple A shooter based in reality with horror aspects. Something incredibly intense and haunting with some levity at moments

@BathSaltShaman

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Shellshock tried to do the whole "realistic 'Nam with horror" schtick but it let itself get out of hand with the latter aspect. We don't talk about the sequel.

@BruceLeeroyX

6 ай бұрын

Just play Far cry Hours of darkness

Absolutely love Vietcong, such an amazing game, also the soundtrack is pure 🔥

I adore both of these games! The multiplayer on vietcong was amazing.

@basketball230001

2 жыл бұрын

Shell shocked was great game for the time it came out.

@TerbrugZondolop

2 жыл бұрын

It was epic. Sounds of guns was insane

@shawdawg3675

2 жыл бұрын

I loved using the RPD in MP

@diogeneslantern18

2 жыл бұрын

You can still play VC multi-player BTW

@johnjpegdevenney

2 жыл бұрын

multi-player was incredible many hours spent there.

Vietcong had a crude dynamic cover system in a time when that sort of thing was absolutely unheard of in shooters.

It holds 18 for immersion, especially being sf they would know that it jams the magazine and won't feed properly

I liked how vietcong made you use ww2 surplus weapons in the bootcamp. Neat detail.

@snakeplissken2148

2 жыл бұрын

and also in the multiplayer. there was no game at the time with that amount of different firearms. it was great!

@raymondyee2008

10 ай бұрын

Yep and it was correct stemming from the U.S advisor era.

This was a really neat video, good info, effective editing, not much cringe. Hope ya make more

@NickH

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the kind words, I appreciate it! More is on the way, but it might take a minute or two.

Speaking of 'Nam games. Conflict: Vietnam is one of my favorite squad -based games that I binged on the PS2. I remembered that I really wanted a Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 type of squad-commanding game set in the Vietnam war.

20 Years later, I still remember PTSD inducing moments from Vietcong. That night mission when you emerged from the tunnel with basically no ammo and had to scavenge from dead enemies to survive is one of my all time best gaming experiences

Thanks for this. Nostalgia all the way for me. Awesome video, would love to see more.

Good analysis, its always great to hear about less well known games. I played Vietcong but not Shellshock, I think I'll give it a go later since it looks decent from what I see.

I remember playing this as a kid and figuring out that if you snap into your binoculars and shoot at the same time no matter what you’re holding the bullet will land exactly at a specific point on the binoculars each time. Sounds annoying but it had some practicality especially once you really got good at it. I also figured out that sprinting through spring loaded traps would safely get you through them because the game could activate the traps quick enough

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

Great review. I've played VC when it was out and this was the first game that you could be hiding behind cover and aiming lets you peek over. Also the spacial sound was totally new and ahead of its time. One thing that stood out was the soundtrack. The music sounded perfect period but was brand new. I've played BF and COD, but the best balanced map I've ever played in a tactical multiplayer shooter is "stream" in Vietcong. Capture the flag was the thing and a full server with 2x16 players was some tough business. Thanks for bringing the memories back.

awesome video bro, thought you for sure had at least 50k subs, good work

i remember buying shellshock 67 from a closing down video store in like 07. man that game was so fun to play lol. my grandpa was a vietnam viet and he loved watching me play it, always pointing stuff out that was true or wrong or something you know

@axemansjazz6670

Жыл бұрын

Dude, it's so cool that your grandpa watched you play and discussed the war.

I have the disc got it working for the first time , from your instructions absolutely unbelievable, it’s works fantastic

@RyleKittenhouse

2 жыл бұрын

Where’s that bit

i got vietcong from Old Games Download and i had no such issues related to patches... i just had to mess with compatibility settings in properties and all was fine. It ran from 60-90 fps with all graphical and audio quality settings at max. And for those who are reading this...nothin' beats vietcong when it comes to vietnam... i want a remaster with another campaign maybe a VC campaign

@olegdemianenko3054

2 жыл бұрын

@Vince Nav I know its weird, but I wouldn't want a complete remaster. Just fix the compatibility issues and throw in slightly higher res textures, maybe fix the ironsights. The amount of personality and atmosphere this game has is insane. Found out about it from an old 2003 issue of some Russian magazine. Somehow Vietcong was very popular in my country.

When I first read your sub count I thought it was 604k, but with a second look at your count and channel I realized it was just 604. Amazing video especially for a channel this small, I subbed and hope to see more like this in the future!

18 rounds was standard in Vietnam, the full 20 would cause jamming.

Thanks to you, my dear friend, I manage finally to play this beautiful game of my childhood. Your advice about VCStarter 1.7 helped to fix everything (had not even 1.65.1 before). Hallo from Ukraine and thx one more time!

A video so nice I watch it twice!

I had a nostalgia kick for Vietcong a couple years back so decided to reinstall it and give it another go. Boy do I remember having to go through all the hoops of putting in those sequential updates.

Great reviews. I love Vietcong. Underrated. I'd recommend adding a 3rd to this list Men of Valor. Not to bad 7/10 vietnam shooter. Vietcong 2 meh.

@TheKingOfJordan1

2 жыл бұрын

Men of Valor was pretty good, I like the letters that are read during loading screens, and the ones your commanders write if you die in a mission. Makes each death hit pretty hard.

I remember playing and beating Vietnam Black Ops. It was a low budget game from 2000.

thought this was from a game reviewer with at least 100k subs, I was wrong. good work

"dont fill them clips too high, give them bullets room to breath" -Biggie

There is also Conflict Vietnam and Men of Valor

Los dos videojuegos fueron realmente grandes . Saludos desde Barcelona

Have both of the these plus Conflict: Vietnam on my old PS2. Still play them once in a while

Thankyou so much bought it in 2018

Nice vid. Ah awesomes games

OMG Vietcong my most favourite game ever..multilayer was so fun too. I liked the follow on when you became the replacement to the first character. Favourite mission was defending the relay station

“Who do you love, who do love” guitar solo

I finished both games when I was a kid. I remember how much strategy I had in Vietcong. And I did have to find a PDF walkthrough for the POW mission as that one was nearly impossible for me at the time.

I remember playing shellshock back in the day, good times

Vietcong was my thing! I remember the early saturday and sunday mornings playing online for hours on end. Plus the story mode was really good and challenging as well

I really need to figure how to emulate Shellshock Nam' 67 properly.

@bubba842

7 ай бұрын

but it on for the PS2.

I loved shell shock, my fav Vietnam game. Always wondered why more Vietnam games aren’t made today, it’s always ww2 or fictional modern combat.

@cloroxusthestainlessone4324

2 жыл бұрын

Shellshock for the horror side of things, Conflict: Vietnam for the rest. The conflict games, specifically Vietnam were so good and they played so well Edit: why there aren't many made today; A) there are many flavours of names used by the US troops that wouldn't get past the quality control censors B ) it's a time period the us doesn't really want to talk about from losing the war to all the political and social trouble caused by the draft and the war. C) it's very hard to make your dudes look like the good guys when it's well known they would open fire on innocent civvies. Don't get me wrong, I want more nam games, the music, feel and atmosphere are my favourite, I was brought up with Bad Company and Credence Clearwater Revival so the music brigs back some good memories

@guillermo7298

2 жыл бұрын

@@cloroxusthestainlessone4324 conflict had some horror but implemented on the missions haha I remember the mission with the tank on urban environment, I keep losing the tank and walking through the damn city with enemy tanks and rpg on every corner lol

vietcong was BEAST as when it came out, almost 20 f*ckn years ago, coop was very cool but the friggin AI monsters were in the same spot evertime you launched a match

I think I loved everything about Vietcong save for the tunnelrat slogs. That was a duty I couldn't even imagine taking. Also, if Southeast Asia is theatre that interests you, SOG Prairie Fire for ArmA 3 is a must play. The co-op patrols are so much fun.

Ayy we both used the Office Complex Scientist!

@NickH

3 жыл бұрын

I live for ｇｒｅｅｔｉｎｇｓ

I have played both of them and still has Vietcong, Vietcong Alpha and Vietcong 2 at home. Vietcong was one of my favourite games in early teen years. Mainly due to its story and graphics. A game developed in Czech Republic 🇨🇿 😀

@Danefrak

2 жыл бұрын

🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿

I used to play Conflict: Vietnam, amazing game, pretty challenging too!

As someone who did really enjoy Shellshock when I was younger because it was a "simpler game" in comparaison to Vietcong I can only agree with you that the shooting in this game wasn't the greatest, although I did played Vietcong but never finished it because I was too scared to play it because the atmostephere in this game was too so "heavy" on me ,nice to see a comparaison of 2 great game of my childhood, thanks for the mature criticize of those game keep going!

Oh man this was my jam. And turok evolution. This game made me try call of duty. Big red one and world at war were my favorite

M45 or Swedish K had a magazine of 36 rounds. So my impression when I was playing the game was that the developers made a double magazine or an extended one

Damn I loved both these games back in the day

I would like to add that vietcong for the xbox version does not have the feature to search bodys for ammo or intel unlike the pc version.

Conflict Vietnam is also a fun shooter. Singleplayer isnt bad, but worth it if you can get other people, like other Conflict games. Dont play the sequel to Vietcong, they dropped the ball on that one. Seemed to be a rush release

This was awesome, you definitely deserve more views and subs! Have you thought about covering Men of Valor or Conflict Vietnam? Not many people talk about these old vietnam games

@NickH

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words! Men of Valor keeps coming up so I'll probably see what I can do with that at some point.

@thekotabear3262

2 жыл бұрын

Conflict Vietnam is great

Now do Men of Valor to complete this collection. No but super great overview and reviews. I thin Shellshock was my more personal favor of the three of them I played but I do remember each being great at what they set out to do.

@NickH

3 жыл бұрын

I do mean to play Men of Valor at some point, and if I ever get around to doing a video on it I swear I will end up saying "Men of Honor" at least one time on accident during narration.

@vzerby

3 жыл бұрын

Men of Honor, Call of Valor, which ever.

This was a good vid.

Imagine a remake of Vietcong in todays graphics, loved that game, so much detail in the campagne

Elias you take your squad out, Warren you stay in but i need Tex and Junior from your squad.- Roger that! Ok we move out in Two zero mikes- Wait I thought it was Oneal turn tonight-No,no,no,no Tubs and Morehouse are short, Fu sheng is on ar n ar and you wana send him on an ambush Eh Ah . youve got the fresh meat buddy. Hey Oneal, take a brake you dont have to be a prick every day of your life you know.. - ELIAS GET YOUR MEN READY!

You may not know this, but in Shellshock when you round up the villagers you can also stop the escaping villager by just running to him and they'll surrender peacefully. But, as you said it can be darker if you choose to shoot him.

Loved Vietcong, played it religiously when I was young on my father's IBM.

Shellshock Nam 67 was like an early attempt at a deep deconstructive third-person shooter, which spec Ops the Line would do infinitely better 11 years later

shell shock was a great game i was recently playing mafia 3's dlc and this game came to mind

Shellshock Nam '67 was legit

dude that drill Sargent in Vietcong is hilarious!

Two great games

There was a problem with feeding if you loaded the full 20 rounds, that's why it was sometimes underloaded to improve reliability. Some guys load 28 rounds to this day, though I've never had any issues with 30 round mags

In Vietcong, the reason the M16 had a 18 round clip instead of the regular twenty is actually quite interesting. U.S. Special forces would only load 18 rounds so the weapon wouldn't jam. Another reason to love the game. It was historically accurate.

I love games with the Vietnam war I get to play as my grandpa

So now I can play it, but I had no problem of playing Vietcong because I got the disc from cex in the uk

Shellshock was a superb game!

I really liked Vietcong and wished it was longer. Surprisingly that game has alot of info and facts about Vietnam during the war and also description of MacV and how they use the local tribals. Another is the characters in the game that have personality although some of them seem one dimensional. The character you play Steve Hawkins seems a bit too eager to be in the war though. The weapons are all deadly and useful in Vietcong, so you can always have a favorite weapon. The M16 was "realistic" with 18 only bullet was due to jamming the gun if it was fully loaded with 20, in Steve Hawkins diary at the base before each mission, he mentioned that. The Sequel to Vietcong was really disappointing and doesn't really have a proper storyline, although Steve Hawkins appear in a cameo at the beginning of the game.

“Vietcong” for me; the closest you’ll get to the feel of the ground war in Vietnam. I got most of the expansion packs and even the sequel.

Monty is still the ultimate bro… and my version of vietcong doesn’t really have cutscenes or some missions… it’s more the cliff notes of the game… is this just the purple haze version? Or how the ps2 one went

HELL LET LOOSE! Definitely get she'll shocked there!

@NickH

2 жыл бұрын

I play that one from time to time and yeah that sound direction definitely does it :V

Still have vietcong and fist alpha and red dawm good game brings me to old good days

You can stop that fleeing villager from 2nd mission on shellshock by just aiming right to his face without killing him, and no massacre needed

Your team blocking is rage inducing.

I wish we'd get a new Vietnam FPS with a good storyline. Im honestly surprised there isnt more considering all the WWII FPS games out there.

I replaced the OpenAl 32 from the game folder

I’ve tried to play nam 67 on my pc in the past but got stuck on the disc read. How do you get past that?

@NickH

2 жыл бұрын

My apologies for being so late, I believe this was the page I got the fixed .exe from. gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_shellshock_nam_67.shtml

I boughr VC for console very recently. Very slow but quite kickass concepts none the less

Vietcong was on a whole other level 🔥

Vietcong's into music hit me like a nostalgia freight train..

I loved Vietcong when I was a kid.

Had my 1st lan party’s playing coop on Vietcong

If you want a good vietnam fps play Men of Valor. Great game, underrated.

Flying arms and legs are awsome on nam 67

It's 18 rounds cause 20 would jam the mags up

Hello how do you put the crack in shellshock?, please help

I played this game on pc sure was fun

I will say this about Viet cong, I don't remember them swearing in fact I remember being quite butt hurt at the time that it was teen rated, that was one of the probably things that was clouding my ability to see the things it was doing well despite noticing them but, back then I kind of had a policy about being able to write my name in corpses.. something that I wouldn't see for years once the console generation became the target development model.. Like.. did they change it later? Cuz.. that kind of makes me feel a little upset.. like that was one of the reasons I never really went out on my way to get it after going through the demo was like well you know it's it's still a teen rated shooter it's it's still not like the old ghost recon but but it's definitely doing doing a lot of things right but it's it's still a kid game with a really good soundtrack and oh shiny over there... I kind of want to look this up now cuz yeah.. I remember I think it was Shell shocked or something no it was men of valor that was like the ultimate Oliver Stone simulator where you did all the cliches and the cinematic experience but it was sold as like this hardcore thing cuz it had a small amount of blood.. and that was like it's selling point was it was like a mature shooter you know and it was basically, like even back then the reviewers were like this is dumb.. so yeah now I'm now I'm kind of butt hurt.. funny how the internet works back then like.. if knowledge was given to you it was so, especially by the developer or publications nobody really followed up on anything and and that was probably for the best now that I think about it because nowadays at the very least any sort of follow-up is really just regretation of the same thing that was released that may or may not be accurate because it was spammed out as fast as possible so you win some and you lose some 20 years later.. but one thing you do win is when you find out there was an alternative version of the game LOL and you get access to the beta and the developer diaries of how they cried themselves to sleep every night while trying to bandage their wounds from the guy at the office who is a zany guy and has personality and you just don't get it and you know it was it was part of the fun atmosphere that he would wet a towel every day and snap every single person like an OCD fit trying to turn the light switch on and off Good times back then, we found out later several years when one of the developers got pissed and dumped the beta leak... Fascinating...

They need to remake these

Shellshock I remember playing that for the ps2 and I thought the game was great for its time

2:23 system 32 part I can relate to and made me cry laughing 🤣

my favorite game on ps 2, very gore

anytime i try to up the audio quality and hit apply Vietcong crashes. any idea why and is this setting important? is it detrimental to not have it maxed?

@NickH

Жыл бұрын

By default it should be set to one notch beneath max quality, correct? To be honest I didn't even notice this in my playthrough and probably left it on that second highest setting. That particular slider controls the number of sound buffers, both max and second highest offer 30. I'm assuming this means the amount of sound effects playing at the same time, but I'm not certain, that's not a term I've heard of before. There might be some audio compression between the two settings but for what it's worth I couldn't tell though I'm not the biggest audiophile, running on normal stereo speakers. As long as you can at least get the second highest you should be okay. I could not recreate the max quality crash so I tried to see if anyone else had that problem, and the only things I can see are to disable sounds on the launcher and re-enable on another launch (plus a computer restart) or enable/disable stereo mix in your system sound settings. Sorry I can't be of more help. EDIT: I have to issue a correction, I asked my more tech-literate friend about it and he said sound buffers has to deal with the number of sounds pre-loaded into memory, and the slider allows you to have more or less based on the amount of RAM you have. He theorized that since it's an older game it won't pick up higher RAM amounts than a gig, so trying to put it up higher is causing the game to crash. If using VCStarter and this is still happening I would try the disable sounds / stereo mix fixes or just leave it at the highest setting that it won't crash on.

@ThunderShot66

Жыл бұрын

@@NickH i managed to get it to work, i maxed the slider and instead of hitting apply. i backed out and it said "settings will apply on restart" so i restarted the game and the settings stuck no problems.

Unfortunately I play Vietcong: purple haze, the PS2 version that takes away the boot camp section and like half the missions, also no cutscenes so u loose the story

Shell shock was great

I liked Vietcong way more than Shellshock 67.

I remember playing Vietcong on Pentium 3 and it crashed several times