In a SHTF situation, I do not want to rely on a cellphone based system. That is when Ham radio will be my go-to!

@bobone866

24 күн бұрын

I would love the ham radio but the community are so zealous that they ruin it. I just bought some boufangs . But the ham community sucks

@Robbie-sk6vc

21 күн бұрын

​@@bobone866Sucks in what way? You mean by upholding the rules? That's why we're able to do all the stuff that we do!

We had Nextel cell phones with POC for a while. In some instances it was more reliable than the cell service.

@Subgunman

25 күн бұрын

Once they went nationwide with their communications. It’s downfall was that managers could not efficiently communicate with workers out in the field since the cost of group call was enormous. The second issue was that managers could not monitor what their workers were doing in the field since most workers spent the time on private phone to phone conversations.

@WillOnSomething

23 күн бұрын

Fun fact: Nextel (specifically, the iDEN protocol) was actually considered a trunked radio system, and *not* a cellular phone service, meaning they could operate on the same 800MHz SNR bands that commercial trunking systems use, and also lacked the legal protection from eavesdropping due to it not being considered a cell service.

My company used POC in the mid 90's. Don't remember the network provider although I do believe the phones were Motorola with the POC function. They were not POC only devices. Worked quite well. My work group had it's own group number.

My favorite POC radio is the Boxchip S900A Plus. Expensive but great unit! All the other Boxchip models are built well and perform flawlessly too!

poc is used by a lot of taxi services or ride share in a lot of other countries

@w8kdzradio113

25 күн бұрын

I worked for a taxi service that used t use NEXTEL, and they worked OK

I can only speak for using T-Mobile and Tello. If the device supports LTE Bands 2,4,5,12 The device will work with T-Mobile or Tello. Tello has GREAT data only pricing plans!

Mint Mobile will send you a trial SIM card good for 1 week. I'd rather just use actual HF/VHF/UHF radios than these "Nextel" wannabees.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Yes

I'm suprised Yaesu had A PoC Radio Offering Interesting for sure @Ham Radio 2.0

Great info, great video, tnx Man!

HTs are the QRP radio of VHF/UHF 😉Great explanation Jason. Think Buy 2 way will carry the Wouxun V98? That would be an amazing radio to get.

@HamRadio2

26 күн бұрын

I've emailed them and asked but no response yet

I use a Kyocera pro with PTT using Zello, it works great. Also have an Android Blackview 5200 with a PTT mic.

I see ads for Rapid Radios on Facebook ALL THE TIME and their claims are always very misleading so I make it a point to report every ad I see as "misleading/scam." It's really unfortunate because the vast majority of comments on their ads show that the people buying these radios truly don't understand how they work and they're getting pulled in by the misleading claims or because it's not being made 100% clear that the radios use cellular networks. Extremely frustrating to see companies taking advantage of peoples' ignorance.

I would definitely be interested in a Radio if it does amateur band and GMRS band that would be awesome and i would be interested in it if it has PoC Capabilities the Wouxun KG-V98 looks like a nice radio Also 10:30 @Ham Radio 2.0

great video. i wanted to buy a ksun zl60 zello poc radio beacuse in my country we have a really active road channel that people use pretty much the same way as cb channel 19. the cell coverage is also great everywhere i intend to drive so it would be nice to have a seprate device monitoring zello all the time not having to waste my phones battery. i belive that poc radios still have aplications but i still carry around my vhf/uhf radio nearly all the time as well as some license free radios in my car for when i need to have short range instant communication with not licensed people in the event of a shtf situation.

The biggest issue, aside from the marketing, is the fact that so much of the time when out and about in the northern half of Minnesota, there is no cell service. I have a phone, if I have cell service I'm good to go. Having said that, the idea that they'd work seamlessly across multiple cell networks does give it at least some appeal. If one of the big 3 has a tower in the area, then you'd have some communication.

Great job ! many do not understand what POC radio is. With the Hurricane moving threw Texas causing grid down all over and cell cites off line Them POC radios not going to work ! How many times has a cell phone dropped a call or no service ? I had old cell phone that did POC . had PTT on side. today if you have a smartphone. just download the APP . had a button on screen you put finger on. and it's POC radio. You can use the phone you already have as a POC radio. Don't but a POC radio because they look cool . 73

Good video. Thank you. I was led to your channel because of Rapid Radio ads. So what do you recommend for a grid-down situation?

Would like to know if a PoC base station radio can be used on the flip side say like base station DMR that is connected to the LAN of a router, or to connect to allstar link(s), echolinks, using ham radio instead of using the PoC? think of it as a radio less allstar node.

@sp3kd

24 күн бұрын

it is possible. for a while i was running a radio hooked up to an ht forming kind of a gateway between radio and zello. for echolink idk how you would go about changing the node ur connected to from your ht

A lot of small businesses are going to subscription POC systems. Cheaper and easier to roll out and maintain then a LMR radio / repeater system. Zello Business (subscription) is a thing. you showed the iCom and I think even Motorola has a POC network and radios. The business POC systems even have fleet dispatching software, with GPS tracking and some can interface with a businesses existing LMR systems. POC has its place but it sure isn't the (will never fail, SHTF solution) that Rapid Radio advertises to be. I think RR has a good daily use system especially for groups / familys that have no interest in VHF/UHF, licensing and rules. But as long as there ads are misleading they wont get a dime from me.

So when you say they work on all three networks, does that mean it doesn’t matter which one you work on? So if I am AT&T customer, will I be able to use the other two networks? By the way, and your thumbnail, you show a Nokia POC radio, that’s the same case that my Munzen mini uses it’s a Bluetooth speaker very well built and very sturdy

I use a Inrico T 320 POC radio and a Inrico TM9 POC radio.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

How do you like them?

I bought the Rapid Radios. When I watched your video on them I boxed them up and shipped them back. They gave me a full refund. I’ll stick to HF Ham Radio!!!!

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

They refunded you? Lots of comments are from people who tried to return them but RR denied any refunds.

@Ammed_KN6STX

25 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 Yes, $399 back to my credit card. No questions asked. I never turned them on at all.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Great to hear!

I've used many different POC radio/UHF DMR those were nothing but junk, could not get the UHF DMR to work and come to find out the UHF chip in the radio was off frequency by .5 KHz or more. Unusable for me on DMR and UHF repeaters but the Poc work ok, but I have returned it. I have this new PoC radio by Inrico and on it I use it for DV-Switch and Zello Rado App. It's cool, by I really don't use the DV Switch much because it use a whole lot of data in one hour, about 70 Time more data than Zello Radio App.

No cell service at the QTH, how do I get Rapid to stop advertising on my FB feed, reported them over 30 times for false advertising. Their current ad says when AT&T was out our radios would work, lol.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Yes they claim to work on multiple carriers

@mjames1842

25 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 none of the three reach the QTH and I’m in western MI halfway between Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo.

Inspired!

PoC is Common ON Cells Phones These days also You can pay your cell phone provider to have the poc access on your phone and use the side button on your phone to make push to talk Over cellular calls like a walki talky Verizon being offering thst feature for over 8 years or more now. I agree its not unlimited range it's just marketing gimmick for these radios that do poc they also say it's free forever and that's crap you have to pay for the Sim Card @Ham Radio 2.0

POC is real close to POS! Rather use meshtastic!

I agree the marketing tactics are questionable and very unethical 6:30 @Ham Radio 2.0

Because I travel a lot out of and in country, I have 3 POC plus radios 1. Inrico S200 2 sim card phone, POC radio (3rd place) 2. Ulefone Armor 26 Ultra 5G Walkie Talkie 2 sim card, POC phone radio, UHF/VHF Analog/DMR, 4 watts, 400MHz-480MHz and 136MHz-174MHz (The Monster Phone/Radio) This radio is great and can take a beating. I like it because when I am in the Philippines on the mountain and drop it you just smile and pick it up and if your attracted throw it at them, they will stop. This is my No. 2 radio but use a lot 3. The RFinder B1, you know the radio because you have one. The standout of this radio is the RFinder app for when you're traveling and because I have to write a lot of Code Plugs at work for NXDN that is the last thing I want to do. This is my #1 radio, but the Ulefone is close, and someone is always asking me about it after seeing it work. You going to be doing some test on some POC radios now?

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Yes, I'll be testing some

@ronw1vet

24 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 Interested in testing any that I have, Happy to lend to you for testing.

I couldn't use Zello on my iphone this morning near Galveston, TX due to power being down and cell service spotty. I was disappointed.

Hello 👋

What is the advantage of PoC over cellular phones when it requires cellular coverage to operate? Yes, PTT is better than needing to dial someone every time you need to talk, but PoC is being sold as a way to communicate in emergencies. Heck, in Texas you can drive for over an hour on an interstate and not have cell coverage. How is having a radio that operates over cellular going to help then? Oh, and anything that uses RF to communicate can be considered “radio” whether it is a wireless WIFI router, garage door opener, cell phone, or ham radio. Remember model airplane controllers on 6M? Remember how they required a license to operate? Yes, they use radio transmitters.

Jason, you don't have to go 2 hours east of Grapevine Texas to find that you have 1 bar of T-Mobile (in winter, on a hill) and 0 bars of ATT and Verizon. If it weren't for WiFi calling, my cellphone would be useless here at the house in rural east Texas. We gave up on dog-tracking collars that relied on cellular networks. Never mind zombie apocalypse, or hurricanes... there is still a LOT of the USA that has no cellular coverage. If the cellular provider doesnt have enough customer base to support coverage, those POC "radios" are POS (no good). P.S. I can zello from my no-SIM Androids just fine as long as I'm in range of my WiFi... "free" (if you already have a smartphone/tablet and WIFI-enabled Internet (DSL, Fiber, whatever).

I do believe cruise ships have cell service on board. They must need to turn it off when in port. At sea beyond shore limits they can do anything they want. It is shore linked via HF or satellite. They set the rates. expensive!

The comment you read he asked if you could use poc while hunting! My experience while hunting i tend to go out of service, so this would not work in this application.

@HamRadio2

24 күн бұрын

Yes, same here. But he mentioned he had cell service where he was.

@rogerNKWYNNVIDS

24 күн бұрын

@HamRadio2 I need to listen better, lol.

With how the cell service around here randomly going out, I wouldn't rely on them at all.

Today's video is sponsored by Rapid Radios! 😂

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Hahah!

I will say this for PoC communications. They are definitely more secure than HF in that they are digital and point to point.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

They're not actually point to point if they have to go through a cell tower first.

@BigJohnsHamShack

25 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 layer 2 to layer 2 🙂

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Yes

PoC over Starlink may work worldwide

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Does that exist yet? I can see that being a good thing at some point

@marshallpoe8087

25 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 The first cellular capable satellites were launched a month or so ago. Elon was asked in an interview about and he said it would change the world of cell carriers. It’s called ‘disruptive technology’. Search PC Mag on-line for Cellular Starlink System.

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

But... is it AT&T, Verizon or TMO? Because you probably have to have a specific SIM to work with that system. Either way, it still isn't off-grid, since it relies on an infrastructure that can break, be hacked, or be compromised.

@marshallpoe8087

25 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 In the end, it’s Elon. Expect some surprises. He often decides to not “follow the group”.

@WillOnSomething

23 күн бұрын

I would rather use Starlink to interconnect RF ham repeaters and packet stations so you get the best of both worlds.

Nextell 25 years ago!

POS radio is more like it.

Hello Jason😊

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

Hey Joe

Other PoC radios like ones who use Zello are part amateur but not radio, just wi-fi and part PoC: for private part you have to pay and not for only the data link but for users and groups, for domain also. Discussing them here also doesn't make sense.

And like that, Nextel is back, without being Nextel..................................

Why would you want a radio that "works" on the cell system? Isn't that defeating the perpuse?

@HamRadio2

21 күн бұрын

Yes

I totally thought poc meant something else lol

Oh no! Not more handhelds! There're everywhere! Its an invasion! There're more in number than E-scooters!

@HamRadio2

25 күн бұрын

I hope so

Since when did Verison go to GSM format??? I thought they were CDMA and NOT GSM. It’s only in the USA that the use of CDMA and TDMA formats. The rest of the world is on GSM. FACT, all cell phones are actually radios run by a microcomputer. It’s a pity the general public is not aware of this. As a radio tech we all know that "mobile phones" are actually radios. As for carrying your radios on a cruise ships is a bad idea. Many workers in the cruise terminals do not know their regulations of the countries or their own employer. Many types of radios are prohibited in countries you might visit on a cruise ship. Now for satellite phones, they are basically considered as cell phones on most cruise ships. Still it’s a good idea to check with the cruise company to see what their exact restrictions are.

@HamRadio2

24 күн бұрын

CDMA or not, I have a SIM card for my Verizon connection

@Subgunman

23 күн бұрын

@@HamRadio2 interesting! Maybe they switched to GSM to be more compatible with the rest of the world. It’s also a lot easier to switch phones when one dies, pop out the sim and pop it into another device. The only issue is the size of sim used. They come in three flavors in todays world, standard, mini and micro. Giving the customer the ability to switch out their phones at will, eliminates having to hire employees to do this work registering a new phone to an existing number. Economically logical when it comes to reducing overhead for a very large company.

@jeffkardosjr.3825

15 күн бұрын

GSM and CDMA don't matter much anymore. It's mostly LTE now.

No desire for such an item. May have a use case for some employers.

Icom makes quality radios, but honestly you're paying for the brand name

@HamRadio2

23 күн бұрын

yes

Just understand what about you are talking about: HAM or commercial. 2 very different animals. For example Motorola has 2 frequencies over 500 MHz both, each with 16 codes. So they have 32 channels which can be programmed. As commercial as is it can be possible.

POC radio9s are a gimmic. They are 6% reliable. Because cellular networks are 6% reliable, your POC is going to be 6% reliable. Normal two-way radio is more reliable. As a ham I opt for normal 2-way radio.

As much as I can squint my eyes, I just can't find the value in something that may or may not work compared to an inexpensive ham handheld. I get not needing a license, but in a grid down situation, the POC will be an abbreviation for piece of crap 😂

Piece of Chit?

A piece of

Most 2/3g systems will be sunsetting by the end of the year.

@HamRadio2

13 күн бұрын

Yes

Osaka subway has HUNDREDS of ICOM IP 501 in use for it's employees. What I don't understand is WHY do you discuss them here, in HAM realm since they are as commercials as it is possible. Users and groups are setup by the company, you cannot do that. So ?!?!?! And yes, they are VERY real commercial radios. NOT amateur.