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@GUITARKITWORLD

2 жыл бұрын

Wowww thanks man! 😍

I’ve seen quite a few of these “old” classics that you can’t get any more (that occasionally turn up at auctions in amongst a load of old tools and get sold for pennies) they all belonged to my dad who worked as a foreman back in the ‘40s 50’s. Sadly, my mum got rid of them after he died (understandably) But it does make me smile when I see folk treating them with reverence and wanting to restore them. This one reminds me of my first lesson from my dad on how to use Wood working tools. We made a small chair, though he did the work turning the legs of it. I got to sculpt the seat of it into the traditional scooped look of chairs you see in old manor houses. My first lesson on using chisels and hand sanding things. He never once used a power tool. Loved every second of it!

Had to comment straight away after you mentioned that these were used in elementary schools and wished that this would still happen. It actually does, at least in Finland. Through grades three to seven (ages 9-13) these are mandatory classes and most likely are still held every week (usually 90 minutes). Usually boys choose woodworking and girls sewing and other related. Electric tools were at least mostly behind teacher so we had to learn to use planes, saws, chisels etc... and this is in every elementary school in Finland as it is in the curriculum set by government. Also we had half a year swap with the girls so learnt to sew with sewing machines. But anyways, these skills are still taught somewhere, shame this is not same everywhere. Even I have not really used any of it, but can use a hammer, chisel and saw if needed without someone looking over my shoulder.

@mikkoeriksson3132

2 жыл бұрын

As a Finn and a father I really enjoy hearing my boys doing woodworking and especially using hand tools!

@MarkoUrsin

2 жыл бұрын

Today both boys and girls learn techniques from both wood work/technology and sewing/working with textile materials. 3d modelling/printing and robotics are also part of these lessons, at least in the school I'm teaching.

@DominusFeles

2 жыл бұрын

Same in Sweden 🇸🇪

@apinakapinastorba

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully the quality of teaching is better than in the past. All I got from elementary school was dislike for all woodworking, which I had to overcome myself.

@areareare9953

2 жыл бұрын

I was lucky to be one of the last to get a woodworking class in elementary school in the States. Soon after, all the "college kids" were separated out from "vocational kids", and they just wouldn't let you. Then they got rid of everything, because corporations only wanted you to write memos and make budgets, and now they only want you to code. COVID got me back into woodworking, and there's nuthin they can do to stop me. (At least, as long as the planet still has some trees)

Thank you for not over-restoring this tool to a level of perfection beyond what ever came out of the factory. I used to try to do repairs to teak trim on boats to a level of perfection where someone would say of the damage "it looks like it never happened". The trouble with that is "Perfect" became the enemy of "Good". Yes, I can match grain pattern, wood color, and make damn-near-invisible joins, but to what end? Lately, my philosophy is more of a Japanese Wabi-sabi esthetic. If you look closely, you'll see the repair, but will also see the story of the boat, the damage, the restoration and understand that nothing is permanent. Capt. Blackheart Charlie Key West, FL

from a jeweler - our entire ethos is, repair it structurally first, and second comes aesthetics. If you can make it look like it was never worked on, if you can make it structurally speaking, untouched, somehow -- do it. It is expected and encouraged. As to why, I'll leave that to brighter minds than my own.

Love these tool restoration videos! Never hide the repairs. They are part of the story of the tool as it is used and passed down. Also, never apologize for the terrible puns, they are the highest form of dad humor.

I'm with you Ben. It would be nice if they still taught hand skills in school. Nice restoration.

Thanks Ben for the vids. There is a gunsmith named Mark Novak here on KZread that I have learned a lot from. Boiling greasy rusty gunky metal parts in water, he uses a deep fryer for this, removes the crud as well as converts the rust( sorry I don't know the chemistry behind it) without abrasives as well as it will get into all the little hard to reach nooks and crannies. A quick light coat of oil afterwards preserves the metal and prevents further rusting. Thanks again

Personally I think that repairs should be unnoticeable but obvious with close inspection. So that in every day use you won't see it but when the tool is being closely admired you can see signs that the tool had been repaired. It can add character and shows the tool has been well cared for and cherished by whomever owned it (if they repaired it).

The weird thing about being a carpenter /joiner, all of your best work will never be seen by anyone, in fact, the better you are the less likely anyone will ever see the best of your work. It's all hidden inside the works we create.

When I was young my dad got me a child-sized tool kit. The tools were small but real working hand tools. A plane like this would have fit perfectly in it.

Perhaps Ben could make a Part 2 video in which he prepares the plane for use and then uses it on a project---possibly the all hand tool build.

I'm waiting for warmer days, just to dig in all mountains of old tools on car boot sales :). And yes, please, do more vids about tools restoration etc.

The most relaxing and therapeutic man viewing

New favourite tool - Machinists Scraper! I must have it - now! What a marvellous vid though - and with shellac! A Thing of Beauty is a Joy Forever.

Whether a repair can be seen on a working tool or it completely disappears is totally up to the user who repairs the tool. If you were working on fine furniture and you use a dutchman to join pieces of wood and reinforce the joint it can become part of the restoration or with careful choice of grain it can become a focal point of the project making it even more beautiful. Much like repairing a broken sections on a musical instrument. To make them disappear or to hi-lite the repair is up to the owner of the instrument and the craftsman who repairs it.

Even though I have refurbished maybe a dozen or so Planes over the years, I never tire of watching these videos. I really like the idea on using a scraper on the rust! As to how far to go with a restoration, I feel functionality should be the goal.

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. And yes, in the end functionality is almost always the most important facet. There are few planes that are only for collectors and that is, quite frankly, a sad fate for a tool.

Nice tote repair , I have a beautiful No1 Stanley sweetheart smoothing plane, I have restored hundreds of plane's in my time as a vintage carpenter, when I do a repair on a tote Usually clean both parts of Rosewood will a little Acetone as Rosewood is a very oily wood it helps the glue to bond better, that's just my way, love your videos thank you so much.

I have a Baley #5 my great grandfather owned that in need a bit of restoration, thanks for the information on restoring vintage planes.

Restoring something to perfection is the ideal for me, so long as it's understood that the item is refurbished.

As a young child i used to follow my great grandfather around when visiting his home. He had al kinds of woodworking tools in his small but well equipped shop. I would watch him use many of his tools and he would tell me how why and what purpose each tool was used for. He never let me handle but one tool since it wasn't something I could cut myself with being a young child I was fascinated by this craft he did. Watching you with all the tools you have reminds me of his shop.

When we got new planes , whether Stanley or Record etc, they came in a bad state, you were taught how to set them up, dress them and prepare them for work, they were rough castings, some very rough, most metal planes had a hollow in the sole, I see people making them flat but they were deliberate to stop chatter and sticking common with that type of plane, chip breakers were another fine tuning area and frog adjustment for different wood grains etc, final finish was always done with a wooden soled plane in my experience as they don't chatter like metal soled planes, as to full resto, I would say definitely, they were a heap of junk until they were individually shaped to the joiner or chippies own preference as every tool was back then, the only time they got rust on them is when they were no longer used, every joiner got a tool sharpening time allowance every shift, 30 mins, and in that time you did your saws planes and chisels, so you can imagine they shine, then you wrapped them in oiled wrags to store till the next shift, full resto is a must, but leave the hollow in the sole.

Taking me me back to shop A when I was at high school in the 1980’s. Shop A was wood work and Shop B which was metal work …..in Brisbane Australia anyway. Love your videos as always and makes me want to take up the tools again. I do use the tools you talk about a lot as I do guitar setups and builds myself, but this Chanel makes sure I do it properly. Love it and will keep watching

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. That's exactly what Ben is trying to achieve with the channel. DC

Love these restorations. I suggest that you feed us regularly with such vids. 😁😁😁

you're using a planer to plane a planer. And then you want to step back from the joke to make a hole whole again? Great result in restoring the beautiful planer!

Thanks Ben, only just halfway through but already learned a lot. Cheers Dave

Such love and attention in ths restauration. It's quite emotional. Thank you for this beautiful video !

Ben I have been saying since I started watching you this stuff is cool ,now add that nice little plane into the all hand tool guitar build ,think if you were starting out you would invest in a nice size plane like the one here but you took what one would call trash an turned into treasure ,👍👌🤘

Ben I love your restoration videos e en more than the build videos. It's nice to see something old come back into life and it always good to maintain your equipment for all the work it allows us to do properly.

I had a great time a while back, cleaning up a bunch of screwdrivers, files, chisels, hammers and pliers. They were about to be thrown out and it was really satisfying to see them restored to working condition and put to use. I can watch as many of these videos as you care to put out.

regarding the repair of things and making it perfect or not: the Japanese had a custom called Kintsugi where they repair cracked pottery with gold and laquer, creating a piece that has clearly been broken but is now repaired with something even more beautiful and, as such, is considered art in its own right. There is nothing wrong with a good, proper, repair that is visible because any craftsmen will take pleasure in seeing that repair and knowing the tool has been looked after and treated with care

Really less of a restoration and more of a moderately needed maintenance is more to my thinking. Looking good.

Thanks Ben, that was nice and chill watching

Ben you should do a build where you use fret wire as much as possible in the design… except for the actual frets. Not sure what you could use instead of fret wire but I think you’d find a way ;) lol

Hey Ben, that video was very relaxing and the result is beautiful. I love with how much respect you treat & keep the patina on the tools. Got a really worn out, but still working 4 1/2 from the Sweetheart era, I even left the white paint speckles when I cleaned her up ;). Some tips: -screw threads should be cleaned up too, it can be done very gently by turning them through fine steel wool -please ALWAYS get a little drop of oil on every thread & moving part when you assemble it -NO plane restoration video is complete without a test drive :P :P :P Love your videos, no matter if guitar building or tool craziness. Best greetings from Germany!

I bought myself the little (No1 sized) brass Quangsheng after watching it for months, sitting over your shoulder in your old workshop! Oops, too quick to comment! I`d have gone for the `Electrolysis with a battery charger` option for the rust.

Really enjoyed it, learned some new methods for restoring planes... many thanks for sharing

I love that screw driver you used to disassemble & reassemble the plane, one of my next projects it to make one for servicing my planes. I’m also a big fan of surround yourself in beautiful tools and you will make beautiful things, or at least have beautiful tools

I would postulate that white is the most common house color, interior or exterior, and why you always find it on old tools. If they hang around long enough in a working environment, somebody's bound to get paint on them. MHO

I think a good repair is often as good as hiding the repair. It's the bad ones that people try to cover up and hide. I like the Japanese style of celebration of the repair.

Yup, love to see more videos like this, please.

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Will do!

Wonderful and thoughtful repair. Keep up the good work!

I like the gentle touch. I'm not a purist. I really just want it to function flawlessly. If it takes 30 minutes to dig a hole how long does it take to dig half a hole. Answer: you can only dig a whole hole. No need to apologize for the humor. Love the video. Picked up some good tool pointers. That was a beautiful smooth plane. What type is it?

Love watching these restorations. Thanks Ben..

Veritas has a great take on the #1 style bench plane, they made it so that it can actually fit in your hand by having the handle extend beyond the back of the plane. I almost always grab it over my block planes at this point

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Well now, I did not know that I needed one of those in my life.. dagnamit! 😀

Love you work sir, Thank-you for keeping these beauties alive!

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and it is truly my pleasure, I love that I get to do this sort of thing for a living

Nice honest restoration.

I think it depends on what the goal is. A concourse repair will of course be aimed at leaving an object in as new condition, so hidden repairs. But on the flip side there is nothing wrong, and I personally actually prefer, with just adding to an items history. Truth is anything of any age has had maintenance done to it to some degree, whether you can see it or not, it's still got a history. One of my acoustic guitars was given to me with a significant amount of damage around the edge where a large pre-amp was installed near the location of a normal acoustic socket is placed. I repaired it, installed a different pre-amp (which included adding a contrasting wood frame), repaired the area damaged which a large 'patch' and stripped all the paint off. The repair is as a result completely visible, but tells part of the story of the guitar. It sounds lovely, plays nicely and has a nice story to it. It is, of course, called Patch!

Hi Ben. A few thoughts while I am watching (and enjoying) this video. Bringing an old tool back to life is a great way to add to one's selection of tools and is rewarding in itself. Repairs: I think that providing there is no dishonest intention with a repair then it's all good, and the ratio of object to its story is mostly influenced by the intended use. For example, if this plane was to go in a museum, you'd want the repair to stand out more, perhaps. If it was a table for a living room, perhaps less. White paint on tools: When I was at school, our handtools had a blob of white paint with a number written on them. We would be issued a particular number tool, and so it was easy to see who had damaged or lost a tool - perhaps the case here? Rust removal: What do you think about the use of Evaporust on vintage tools such as this? Great stuff, as always.

I love my Stanley No 1. I've had it since I was a child. It was my grandfather's originally. I find it very useful in luthiery, and comfortable to use. Certainly no less comfortable than a typical heel plane of similar size. It has a fine adjuster of course, but the real advantage of the No 1 is that the force from your hand is from a higher point - near the top of the tote, where it rests in the webbing between your thumb and forefinger. So pushing the plane from up there forces its blade downwards more than when you are using a small low-angle heel plane. If it wasn't for youtube I'd never have known the high value of these. I've more or less retired it for occasional use only these days. But it is a lovely thing to own.

Ben love the videos and content.you my friend are a very inspirational person.

Love the random tool restoration videos, cheers

You make me want to collect hand planes. As for the restoration, if you want it to look new and all original, fine but don’t try to sell it that way. However, I like the story of the tool, allow it to look used and repaired. Shows that it was loved by someone.

Fascinating. More please!

“There is always white paint on vintage tools.” There is so much truth in that observation. My first vintage tool restoration was a Stanley #5 Sweetheart plane that was heavily rusted, and the sole had a heavy coat of thick white paint with several gouges all the way to the steel. I did remove all of the rust, and spent an inordinate amount of time flattening the sole. But the effort was well worth the time invested as it is by far my favorite working handplane, even over some Lee-Nielsen’s that I own. Beautiful little #1 you found there. I am jealous, even though like you said that minuscule plane serves no practical use away from a grade school shop. Still a beautiful find.

That machinists scraper is such a great tip. I have used them to restore flat cast iron saw tables. Very quick. If the exact scraper is hard to find, a re-ground old file does the job pretty well. Another reason I can never throw away an old file.

O.M.G that is one beautiful plane 😍

Files and rasps are lovely things. I use files meant for metal on wood quite successfully, but those Iwasakis look nice :) If I really need to hog off a lot of material quickly a Farrier's rasp does the job very well.

I personally have no problem with hiding a repair, as long as the repair is done the right way, hiding a fault, now that a another story.

Hi Ben, I was talking to an older fellow a couple of years back who told me that one of the reasons for the rarity of the No 1 and 2 was the fact that so many went to be melted down for WW 2 effort. This was in North America but I would imagine the same thing could well of have happened in the uk as well!

If the tool is to be kept in the personal vault, I usually spend a little extra time truing flats, 90 degrees, and polishing. If I'm fixing broken or missing parts for the sake of getting it working in the regular tool lineup, anything goes. Epoxy putty, grinding, cannabilizing old parts off really shot similar tools, especially fasteners. Tools aren't precious if they don't work. ✌ 😃

Currently building my first guitar and I've chosen to keep a few repairs plainly visible. I think I want to remember that time I used the wrong bit to drill that tuning machine hole that gouged my headstock. Also, black Starbond CA glue is AMAZING!!!! :)

Feeling inspired by this! I've got my girlfriend's grandpa's plane in the basement in need of some TLC; might have to get it back in working order for my next build! Thanks Ben, as always!

I am so glad for this segment. I've gotten a few planes in rough shape and other tools in various states, that I've (attempted to) restore. One thing I have been finding is the yoke that moves the iron gets.... fiddly and loose. Any tips you could share?

A perfect repair should look perfect.

Personally I would want something restored to as close to perfect as possible. It to me shows quality and care taken over the tool. Left imperfect or semi restored (regardless of work put in) to me has the feeling that someone found it in a carboot sale or relatives estate and just selling it because it's old for cash.

Great vid Ben as usual ….. yes do more tool restore vids 🤟🏻

Beautiful.

That Stanley # 1 reminds me of 7th grade shop class, there was a rack with about 15 of them. I used the #1 for the first time making a stool with an anarchy symbol on top.

5:09 LOOK OUT!!!!!!!! He’s got a gun!!!!!!!

Nice job on the handle!

Well, if I’d have done a repair that good, I’d want people to know it had been repaired as well 😁 1 question tho, why use such a massive piece of wooden gold dust ( Brazilian rosewood) ? 🤔 nice job once again Mr Crowe 👍

What a thoroughly enjoyable video this is. More of the same, please.

I love these restoration videos and I'm in the school of letting it tell it's story - that a repair should be allowed to add it's own paragraph to the ongoing novel. No need to flatten the baseplate on this one? I am keeping my eye out for a no.5/6 for jointing purposes. No7's are seemingly rare here is Australia and quite a bit more expensive.

My grandfather was a shop steward at Stanley in New Britain Connecticut from just before the war clear up until the 1970s. He'd be thrilled to see the tools he worked on so many years ago still being used and desired. Not much coming out of Stanley these days; sad to say most of those factories are abandoned now; a lot of them are still there, just depressingly empty. It's all cheap Chinese stuff these days.

@JBSlickflyer

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up a new Stanley No. 5 a couple weeks ago. I was disappointed to see it was made in Mexico. I spent about 2 hours truing up the sole, and another 3 replacing the plastic tote and knob with some i made out of purple heart. Hopefully, the person receiving it for Christmas appreciates the extra effort. I just couldn't send it on it's way like it was. I have several that are between 50 and 100 years old. They all make the new ones look like trash.

I really wanted to see some shavings from the No1 after the renovation

Excellent!

Aren't that what you're going for when you're repairing a guitar? The perfect repair?

@CrimsonCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

yes indeed, I see your point

Evaporust or electrolysis just let it cook and the rust is gone on everything. Camellia oil to stop the rust. @crimson custom guitars definitely more tool videos especially plane set up etc

Tool Tuesday is awesome!

@IvorPuddifant

2 жыл бұрын

Tool Tuesday is terrific - TTIT!

Most people look on repaired things as inferior but in my opinion if the repair job is done in same quality as the item or even surpass it then it's good in my book. Take for example cars, most people will be really sceptical if they're buying used car and heard that the engine had major rebuild, but if that is done by good mechanic that produces quality work then it's all good.

I actually use flaxseed oil like from grocery stores the food grade version of linseed oil that hasn’t been boiled or had chemical drying agents added

It’s gorgeous and I want one😊

We use these small planes in the joinery trade to plane the edges of doors they are ideal.

Brilliant I really enjoyed that and also have a similar plane to work on also

Never a big fan of patina but I understand why some preserve it. Something about grabbing a "new tool" that's similar to how new tennis shoes feel. Michael Jordan wore brand new Nike in every fame. Yes probably free, but he recalled how good new shoes felt. Secondly, I've had good luck with white vinegar in an ultrasonic cleaner to remove rust.

Hey Ben, don't you love the smell of rosewood when sawing it? I think it resembles the smell of chocolate. BTW, I'm brazilian and we call this wood Jacarandá-da-Bahia. Cheers!

I absolutely love these episodes , Always learn a lot and always find new uses for my guitar tools . More tool restorations please Ben , great stuff

I would say it depends on the person to what level you restore/repair and I don't think one answer will cure all. Also Ben have you ever considered making a down draft table for when you're doing these restorations? Loving the videos

I have an even smaller plane, something between this size and a thumb plane that seriously needs this kind of attention, but my main concern is that if I take it apart, I might not be able to put it back together properly! Please do more videos of this ilk, Mr Crowe.

I watched the entire video simply because I enjoy watching you work. But at my level of instrument building and woodworking I have not found any use for a hand plane. I feel like I might one day need to go buy one in the middle of a project when I suddenly realize I don’t have the right tool for the job, but I don’t know what that is yet.

Check out Evaporust, stuff is awesome for restoring old rusty stuff. It's a rust converter and is great for stabilizing Iron/Steel when you don't wanna ruin the patina.

Interesting to see that the handle and knob nuts are plane cylinders, à la Acorn.

Usually in these types of restoration videos you'd see a big bucket of evaporust get pulled out but this isn't that kind of channel 😁

If a specific customer requests an invisible “like new” repair that’s valid. But on the absence of such a request your responsibility is to the history of the tool. So f people can tell it has been repaired that’s valid too, providing they can also tell that whoever did the repair did it properly.

27:18 i watched an appreciate today at work tighten the center screw with his combi drill , the things appreciate and wonder why there plane doesn't work

I have to admit to not being wholly convinced the school argument for the existence of the Stanley No.1. I remember watching a video on one where they got their child to try it out and their hands were already too big to use it sensibly. It may have been Wood by Wright, but probably not.

please please please do a hand plane build :)

You can use the CO2 laser at your Crimson to clean off the rust from some of those pieces.

Personally I love the colour of Brass, Copper and bronze so any muck that is hiding that has to go. But as for the rest of the tool a good clean is all that is needed. I do find it funny in that the worse condition a plane is in the more compelled I am to try to make it new. I think I like a plane being 100 yeas old but looking like it is 5 years old. Also what is your opinion on camellia oil for protection?