wow, it actually looks older than the black one

@nikgolinar4378

7 жыл бұрын

uelssom a lot... it's racist to think that white things are older :)

@nikgolinar4378

7 жыл бұрын

primary868 its true, and yes, the screen is a big advantahe

@ghoulbuster1

7 жыл бұрын

the color resembles how old pcs used to look.

@TheMrzucker21

7 жыл бұрын

and useless.

@MrOpenGL

7 жыл бұрын

It is a budget/cheap version of the full thing (the Roland SoundCanvas SC-55 analogrelics.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sc-55-1.jpg)

"this power switch is so long, makes me wonder why they designed it that way" Well, if you were genuinely curious: usually it's to do with ease of laying out the pcb, not having to run traces carrying the mains power all the way to the front of the enclosure (or having to run wires to do the same job) Usually you want to keep high voltage stuff isolated in it's own part of the pcb. Less noise coupled into sensitive stuff, less risk of electric shock or having something go wrong and shoving 230 volts up a midi cable.

@straightpipediesel

4 жыл бұрын

Except this thing uses an external power supply. But yeah, the basic concept is the same, you don't want your unregulated power traces coupling into notoriously sensitive audio circuits. And that concept is the same with the digital PCB, it's separate so they can isolate the signals, ground and power planes from the audio section.

@ovaskerri

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at the pcb it has only connections on one side (or brake out boards connected via leads). There might be a 19 inch rack mount version, which has all inputs on the front, as well as the knob and power button - the power brick would the probably be integrated into the case and the power button just flipped. Also, the output pcb is one layer, because it uses THT components, while the digital board uses some smd components. PCBs used to be very expensive for 2-layers.

@ovaskerri

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at the pcb it has only connections on one side (or brake out boards connected via leads). There might be a 19 inch rack mount version, which has all inputs on the front, as well as the knob and power button - the power brick would the probably be integrated into the case and the power button just flipped. Also, the output pcb is one layer, because it uses THT components, while the digital board uses some smd components. PCBs used to be very expensive for 2-layers.

Strange how the MT-32 looks so much more modern than the CM-30.

@MrOpenGL

7 жыл бұрын

The CM-300 looks like a cheap Chinese clone of the MT-32, especially with that cheap plastic case and the yellow resin-paper PCB that was and still is common in knockoff/very cheap products because it is so much cheaper (and worse) than proper FR4 fiberglass resin PCB. I wonder if the CM-300 was marketed as a more "budget" device back in the day, considering it lacks a display...

@RFTL

7 жыл бұрын

The CM line was a cut down (crappy case, no display and almost no buttons) home computer line. All devices looked pretty much like the CM-300 (the MT-32 version was the CM32-L). Here a picture of the full successor device. analogrelics.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sc-55-1.jpg

@MrOpenGL

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks :-)

@keiyakins

7 жыл бұрын

It was. It's basically a cut-down SC-55 intended only for playback.

@freakyfadge

7 жыл бұрын

Ah right, makes sense :)

Have you considered doing a video on MIDI? How it works, development, adaption, extensions. Could probably be multiple videos.

@ZiggyTheHamster

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like an "How graphics work on 8-bit computers" but for MIDI/GM/XG and friends.

@jackfroste

7 жыл бұрын

Yes and also how to make a MIDI version of a song you like? Is it easy?

@ZiggyTheHamster

7 жыл бұрын

You have to do an arrangement of the song, which means you need to know how to play the song or how to copy the sheet music into a sequencer program.

@armanelgtron4533

7 жыл бұрын

Rosegarden! (MIDI)

@Logan912

6 жыл бұрын

Jack Frost It's just like writing music in any other format although you can use a "piano roll" editor if you don't want to deal with reading and writing sheet music, and it's faster imo. That being said, some programs and apps are easier to use than others, but I usually have fun doing it regardless of what I'm using, personally.

8-Bit Keys, LGR, and Techmoan all in one day, Yesssssssssssssss.

@ethann_browne

7 жыл бұрын

Score!!!

@kirkula

7 жыл бұрын

lol I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way :-D

@Ninnuam999

7 жыл бұрын

and vwestlife

@JessHull

7 жыл бұрын

its amazing!

@elisttm

7 жыл бұрын

correction; 8-Bit Guy/Keys

that record is a lathe cut record, the way they are made is similar to the acetate lacquer that vinyl records are derived from. The way it works is that the a cutting head will have a super sharp needle that has essentially two speakers connected(physically) to it so that the needle vibrates and cuts the lacquer or lathe cut record. You can also lathe cut polycarbonate plastic, but that yields pretty low fifdelity compared to a normal LP or a lathe cut vinyl record.

@KB6YNO

6 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. The question I have is this. Was the record sent to you lacquer or vinyl? The lacquer record will be much harder and will actually shatter if you're not careful with it. These are made so copies can be made on vinyl. Here's a great weblink from the Oregonian: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqBsxMqzn8WWlrQ.html

Here's a tip! Your Miracle Piano can select 128 instruments! Just hook the CM-300's in port to the Miracle's out port, then press Volume UP while holding down Synthesizer then you can use the Piano button on the Miracle to go up 1 instrument and Vibraphone button to go down 1 instrument!

After almost 2 years, I'm curious to know if the yellowing returned...

@clivelambert-oe7kg

4 жыл бұрын

0he doesnt smoke so doubt it

@BackPalSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@clivelambert-oe7kg Yellowing doesn't really just come from smoking. It can, but the most common yellowing comes from sitting in the sunlight.

@clivelambert-oe7kg

4 жыл бұрын

@@BackPalSA oh yes im stupid mate :P thanks for telling me bud

@The77Game

4 жыл бұрын

I think he once told us that he has special filters on his lights in the room he keeps the devices in so that they don't yellow again.

@aretard7995

4 жыл бұрын

+clive lambert it can also yellow from sunlight or heat

As well as sending the program change message from a PC (either swap the cables or use a midi merge box) there are also little microcontroller boxes that let you do it in a standalone box, from a quick search a current one seems to be "MTG MIDI Patch Changer Keypad"

1:43 I think cigarette smoke seriously contributes to the "yellowing" of that kind of material

@SianaGearz

7 жыл бұрын

It does, but this is not smoke, this is just bromine compounds decomposing and leaching out of ABS plastic, they are present as flame retardants. They yellow in presence of sunlight and oxygen, smoke or no smoke, indeed smoke stains are likely to even protect ABS from inherent yellowing. Smoke stains can be mostly just washed off with dish soap, but they can eat into plastics too, so it's not really a valid method of protection. :)

@StormsparkPegasus

7 жыл бұрын

Basically this. Smoke stains wash off. This type of yellowing does not. It's caused by UV light. Noone has ever smoked where I live (and I've been here 10 years). I have a cat water fountain that is slowly turning yellow like this on one side (the side that faces the window of course). I might eventually retrobrite it.

@AmyraCarter

6 жыл бұрын

It can. Absolutely. It definitely does to white paint over time.

@memmoman

5 жыл бұрын

uvulum n

seeing your restoration videos is always awesome, I love seeing old electronics looking new again.

I think it's a testament to how enjoyable your videos are when I know nothing about music and I still subscribe to both your channels.

This is THE BEST intro sound of 8-bit keys EVER MADE! Wow! It sounds just amazing!

7:24 "According to the SCF, up to 80 percent of the sun's UV rays can pass through clouds"

@AmyraCarter

6 жыл бұрын

At higher elevations, that percentage can go as high as 105%. That's one good reason NOT to go sunbathing at places like Hanging Lake (about 8,600 feet above sea level). Sunburn City, ouch. x.x Fun Fact: At the summit of Mount Everest, the level of UV Exposure is over 220%. It wouldn't take long to take serious damage from that high level of exposure, though to be honest, sixteen inch thick snowdrifts blowing about at consistent gale force wind speeds do inhibit a LOT of the UV rays, thus making an exposure blanket of -150%.

@greenknight421

4 жыл бұрын

@Lassi Kinnunen possibly due to the to having more UV at higher altitudes so 100% of UV at "normal" altitude (possibly sea level or something). + 5% extra from being at higher altitudes.

Every time your video is like new movie. I sit in front of display with cup of tea and watch the video without breathing!

The alcohol trick was one of the best things I ever learned. I got a Sega Dreamcast for my birthday, and it looked great other than being covered in scuffs. 5 minutes with an alcohol-soaked paper towel and it looks like new.

@mudkip9531

7 жыл бұрын

Coooooooooool

When doing your next retro-brite could you do a timelapse of it? Like, if you have a GoPro or so could you simply set it up next to it in timelapse mode? I'm curious how it'd look like, plus it'd make a nice visual representation as a video clip :D

@lzosx

7 жыл бұрын

EpicLPer yeah! that'd be cool

@mvciej

7 жыл бұрын

A very good idea.

@martijnvanzanen4075

7 жыл бұрын

I second that ( well third that) Very good idea:D

@monkeywithocd

7 жыл бұрын

Nice idea. it would be nice to have a time stamp on it as well so we can get a better feel for how long it takes.

@pev_

7 жыл бұрын

Er, what? You want to watch minutes of video of how the color yellow is slowly replaced by the color gray (or beige)?? I'm sure David already has enough experience to just say how long it usually takes for the process to complete to an acceptable level.

Couldn't you just use the computer to send the patches and use a USB keyboard as an input device?

@PanHoover882

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@PanHoover882

3 жыл бұрын

Or with some modules, you don’t need a computer

I find these restoration videos helpful. The cleaning tips are very useful! keep up the good work David.

you put so much effort into your videos and you can tell its all because your love for these things. thank you for your great work, keep it up!

I remember an episode of Mr. Rodgers where he had a record cutter in use. I've been enamored since. :)

@deadaccount8022

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. I remember seeing a clip of it around.

Another amazing video. Thanks for that. Take care from Portugal

Please keep up with these restoration videos :) I love seeing the effect a good clean and retrobright does, doesn't matter if it's keyboards, PCs or other electronics.

I could watch you retrobrite stuff everyday!

Soundtrack purchased, David I really enjoy your videos and the music selection from Anders a lot. I use an ad blocker in my browsers so I hope I can make a contribution to you and the artists in this way.

love these videos!

Dang, that sounds good! I love everything in this channel

The dismantling and restoration process is so relaxing to me.

First LGR's IBM PC AT, now this... Best day ever

Great Vid Hope Anders gets some LPs Printed

Oh man..... my OCD wants that thing cleaned perfect!!!! I feel your pain!

I like these restoration videos. So satisfying to watch.

5:08 Amadeus Amadeus, Amadeus. And now I can't get that song out of my head. lol!

@datamanmachine

7 жыл бұрын

Come on Rock me Amadeus!

@floriandaler5327

7 жыл бұрын

MisterMsk Did Not know that tis Song is/was popular outside of Germany.

@MisterMsk

7 жыл бұрын

Florian Daßler used to play all the time on 98 rock in the US when it came out.

@TheGuyWhoIsSitting

7 жыл бұрын

it was effectively a one hit wonder in America.

@SpearM3064

7 жыл бұрын

"Der Kommissar" and "Vienna Calling" got some radio play in the US as well, but that may just have been the influence of having music videos on MTV at a time when that was actually important.

I use one of my old REEF light's to do all my retro-bright. Tends to get the job done very fast as well. normally it only taks 2-4 hours and the item is good as new under the lights

U and LGR are the reason why I'm now in love with MIDI files and programs

Wow Doom sounded great on the CM-300. Love hearing games through different midi-modules. Keep the midi modules episoded coming!

You should look into reviewing synthesizers and workstations on this channel. Sound modules are a step in the right direction. :)

if I were to guess based on the way they look alone, I'd guess that the MT-32 was the modern device. The CM-300 looks like those really old computers, while the MT-32 has a more sleek, modern design and look to it. Ironic then, that it's actually the other way around.

@noop9k

6 жыл бұрын

Alexander Krivács Schrøder CM-series (and other low end devices, such as SC-7) are deliberately made to look cheap.

@realtrisk

6 жыл бұрын

Because they ARE cheap. They've cut every corner possible in order to make them more affordable for gamers. Google the SC-55, that's the top of the line prosumer version of the CM-300, with all the same sounds and abilities, and you'll see how nice it looks.

Been watching for years. You know everything plus one about old computers and hardware, but when it comes to turntables you're a fish out of water.

man i love this channel especially enjoy the restoration stuff

Falco! :D

when u watched lgr's ibm at vid earlier and this comes on

The 8 bit guy saves the day once again

Roland has some of the best presets in the industry. My first workstation was an XP-60 Roland and the sound bank and the filters we're just great!

I'd really like to see a vinyl release of your soundtrack CD

@nickwillard6705

7 жыл бұрын

Yes

@priam5928

7 жыл бұрын

how the fuck did you comment 14 hours ago

@AndersEngerJensen

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Bartholomew Patreons get to view before public release.

@jenjenneration

7 жыл бұрын

are you THE Anders Jensen?

@jenjenneration

7 жыл бұрын

I love the 8 Bit Keys Remix!!!

9:52 So that is where Zap Branigan from Futurama came from.

@AndersEngerJensen

7 жыл бұрын

TheMr77469 Roger Wilco, Space Janitor. Just google Space Quest. He came before Futurama to say the least. ;)

I was born in the 90’s, so I have no idea what half these computers do, but I do love watching you restoring them. :)

Another great video 8bit!!!

2:06 read the text on the circuit board

@samuel_samuel_samuel_samuel

4 жыл бұрын

Ass

Successor? Really? That thing looks way, way older than the black Roland.

@erikgamer2497

7 жыл бұрын

agreed

@dumdum7786

6 жыл бұрын

it really do tho

@Foebage

6 жыл бұрын

I remember in the early 80's going through the "platinum" stage. It was refreshing and new compared to the piano black and chrome finishes of earlier stuff. Starting with the Apple II line, particularly the Apple IIc , IIe Platinum edition and IIgs as well as the Commodore C64c and C128, The TRS-80 Model 4 & Color Computer 4, TI-994a in a white scheme, as well as the Mac/PC/Amiga products of the time which made anything that wasn't light beige colored look like pure garbage . ie an earlier TI-994a, TRS-80s (Trash 80s), Breadbin 64s, VICs, Sinclairs (ZX), etc.

Why do I like watching someone clean old tech so much?

Lol still discovering your work and discovered that you did this channel I love it

lmao supervalu baking soda, work for that company. funny seeing it in your video

@binface9

6 жыл бұрын

You should hook him up as a brand rep with an endorsement.

I heard noticeable slowdown in both games you showed, with the worst being Space Quest 5. I don't remember that being an issue with either when I played them on my old computers, so was that a Dosbox problem, a problem with the device, or the MIDI sound output requiring more system resources?

@MrOpenGL

7 жыл бұрын

Dosbox definitely. Some games are totally unplayable, despite what people say ("meh, you don't need an old machine, just download dosbox and it will run perfectly" NOT TRUE). Dosbox is good for early 8088 games to 486 games, anything above that (Pentium, AMD K6 or 486DX2) will lag as hell on Dosbox. That's why I still have a K6-2 machine running perfectly, to enjoy Pentium games like Tyrian, Space Quest IV or Screamer 2 :P The only reason I use dosbox is for Tandy-only games, because I don't have any PC with the proprietary Tandy 3-voice sound chip and graphics card.

@AndersEngerJensen

7 жыл бұрын

Peter Gill It's just settings in Dosbox that needs to be adjusted. :)

@monkeywithocd

7 жыл бұрын

MrOpenGL: Yeah, I figured. I hated trying to play Doom in Dosbox, it just felt weird, though it was the steam release with the outdated Dosbox version. I didn't really know it had a problem with Pentium games in general, but then again I have a few old computers I prefer to play old games on whenever possible. Other than that the only big problem I have with Dosbox is its terrible PC speaker emulation. Run any old Sierra game (like the first three King's Quest games) without PCjr/Tandy sound enabled, and any notes that are held warble like crazy. Still, though, I really like Dosbox despite its downfalls.

@RFTL

7 жыл бұрын

One tip don't use massively outdated DosBox versions. That includes the (stable) version on DOSBox.com. That version was last updated in the year 2010.

@MrOpenGL

7 жыл бұрын

As much as I am a daily Linux user, I prefer using real machines rather than wasting time into fiddling settings, trying !UNSTABLE! SVN versions in Dosbox.

The Roland 32 looks cooler, but then '80s tech nearly always did. :) I love watching you restore things. Never gets old.

Love your videos! It's extra cool that you're also from Texas!

I feel like if Anders Jensen ever did show up on a video he would just look like the guy from Wolfenstein 3D

@AndersEngerJensen

7 жыл бұрын

rzeka I'll try my best. ;)

@pokoknya

5 жыл бұрын

@@AndersEngerJensen woowww

@Watrmeln

4 жыл бұрын

The madlad actually replied

Are you still doing a review on the Casio SK5 or are you still trying to mod it?

I could watch restorations all day

Super cool demo, didn't know the sound quality was that good.

it would have been nice to hear the Mt 32 in comparison.

9:45 Star Trek anyone?

I love the videos! Keep it up, David.

Loving the videos man! Keep it up!

Couldn't you just hook up the cm 300 to your mac via usb midi and use garageband or some daw to play it ?

After almost 2 years, 6 months, I'm curious to know if the yellowing returned...

Awesome video about an awesome sound module!

I am constantly amazed how things from the 1980s 1990s still work like new... decades later !

"Why don't you use a UV light?" Because he lives in Texas, that's why.

Yesterday, I bought a keyboard that was made before the dissolution of the Soviet Union, for $2.25. It works just fine with my brand new gaming PC.

@TheBcoolGuy

7 жыл бұрын

Has it really been that long?

@KXQ

5 жыл бұрын

That was in like 1992

Really enjoyed all your videos david can't wait for more :)

Between LGR's model AT unboxing and this, what a great release day!

the sound of this thing really make me think of the midi synth in windows……

@ZiggyTheHamster

7 жыл бұрын

I want to hear CANYON.MID played through this thing.

@MikaelLevoniemi

7 жыл бұрын

MUNT emulator can handle roland midi sounds in windows.

@tamerursavas3828

7 жыл бұрын

Humanised Sonic because the midi synth in windows is an emulation of this midi synth

@jmm1233

7 жыл бұрын

Win95 ~ WinXP used a roland sound canvas back in the day , not sure what they use now if any support for the Roland

The older mt32 looks so much better; and to me actually more modern, though, ...

@ConstantinosE

7 жыл бұрын

RenéRebe I know right! 8-Bitch Guy

@LittleRichard1988

7 ай бұрын

The CM-300 is actually a slightly stripped down version of the Roland SC-55, it's basically an SC-55 with no membrane buttons or display. The MT-32 was also produced as a CM-32L in that same beige box although the CM-32L does have extra sound effects in it's drum kit and was typically bought with a CM-32P which is a very stripped down version of a Roland U-110 or U-220 that gave you 64 of those PCM sounds so it was a way of having some of the same sounds as a Roland U-110, U-20/220, MV-30 or D-70 at just a fraction of the cost. The CM-32P also has a slot for one PCM card.

The guy's a genius. He records taking the kit apart so he knows how to put it back together again.

I absolutely love his channels

that bathroom sink is 8bit

That song on the Doom game at 8:51 sounds a lot like Metallica's Master Of Puppets

@override7486

3 жыл бұрын

Not a coincidence.

One thing about Roland gear, at least the vintage stuff, is they were superbly built, as you mentioned.

That sierra intro takes me back. One of my favorites

The irony of playing digital music from an analog phonograph.

@YouTubeSupportTeams

4 жыл бұрын

yeah bit of a gimmick

@Jaburu

4 жыл бұрын

many love the HF roloff and noises of vinyl. though I think it's more about the ritual

@vlusky_husky

3 жыл бұрын

@@KZreadSupportTeams it is indeed, a gimmick. However, its meant more of a collectible. Sort of the same way people collect posters and stuff.

2:59 Mistake in subtitles: "Yep, came right _of."_

What I really like in good old stuff is that it can be easily unscrewed and then screwed again without any harm.

the build quality is amazing

comments from 15 hours ago, video released about 7 minutes ago.

@TheMorc

7 жыл бұрын

Cvaxx I think patreons were watching it before

@markusTegelane

7 жыл бұрын

KZread logic.

@attackracer

7 жыл бұрын

Patreons get early access

@toku7319

7 жыл бұрын

woah technology

1. Click new 8-bit Keys video. 2. Click "Like" 3. Watch video.

@contambrah

7 жыл бұрын

watch him clean.

@seppa340

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was going to say!

@damagelight2320

7 жыл бұрын

Same!

@TheMrzucker21

7 жыл бұрын

10 PRINT " 8 BIT KEYS" 20 GO TO 10

@bazahaza

7 жыл бұрын

RUN

Very enjoyable video, as always

DANGG definitely gonna pick up the CD ! Also this made me feel better about getting an MT32 for my music than something else hAha cheers and thanks for the info !

Warranty void if the case is opened.

@AndersEngerJensen

7 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the warranty expired approx. 24 years ago. ;)

@YouTubeSupportTeams

4 жыл бұрын

it's obvious geeks have no sense of humour

@YouTubeSupportTeams

4 жыл бұрын

​@@AndersEngerJensen dude it's a joke ? jeez

So is Retro-bright just hydrogen peroxide cream?

@LegoWormNoah101

5 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen peroxide plus ultraviolet light.

Roland sound on classic games... wow that is so awesome! And 8 bit in vinyl also great!!

Oh man I love the sound of those devices. I really want one.

First thank you very much for the great video and the hint to the 8-BIT GUY SOUNDTRACK VOL 1 item on your homepage! I was looking for this great music titles ;-) Btw funny that you have chosen Falco - Rock me Amadeus for the record comparison -> it's from my home country, Austria! ;-)

Love these videos keep them coming

I remember the sales setup for these at a distributor office. There was a series of matching boxes, such as drum machines, a soundless midi input keyboard, and an official DOS or Windows application that would link it all together, with instrument selection on the computer keyboard, but music playing on the MIDI keyboard. Basically like a later version of the Sequential keyboard for the C=64.

Again, love the technique

Excellent video.Congrats.

That record sounds so great

1:33 Wait, am I watching a paper towel commercial? ;-) Nice job on the restoration, it's always nice to see retro tech getting some love.

Anders makes awesome music! Had to look him up after one of your videos