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Restoration of 1951 Vincent Rapide - Part 73 - Separated Rear Sprocket

Finally getting back into the garage and looking at what may be the most likely root cause of the separated rear sprocket from the brake drum.
It's a relatively simple job to remove the rear wheel in order to check out the rear brake drum and sprocket.
Here's the prior video in which I show at the end how the sprocket is simply hanging loose
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  • @michaelbarron533
    @michaelbarron5332 жыл бұрын

    Found this series and have spent hours watching it. I'm enthralled. Up to clip 72 so far. As I watch you working I imagine myself doing it...and buggering it up! The Vincent is so beautifully made. Unfortunately I am a lot less mobile these days (at 82) but still ride my '08 Can Am Spyder GS SM5 & 2015 Honda PCX 150 Came over from the UK 60 yrs ago. Keep up the good work.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Michael, many thanks for taking the time to write. I appreciate it and am glad that you have enjoyed the series. It turned into a lot more videos than I planned, but was a wonderful experience. Great to hear that you are still riding. Best wishes, Mike

  • @nealebradford6417
    @nealebradford64174 жыл бұрын

    vincent ahead of its time, ill say that again, pure genius.

  • @johnmcclain3887
    @johnmcclain38872 жыл бұрын

    I like that "slotted trunnion", might have to make one for my Harley. You Brits have some interesting words, like "gudgeon pin, mickey mouse nuts, and "tommy bar nuts". And then there's "the Meccano, or erector set, for America". Thanks for sharing this, I always wanted one, never had the chance over here in America.

  • @simonwiltshire
    @simonwiltshire4 жыл бұрын

    What a machine, everything was so well thought out, pure genious.

  • @Colin399
    @Colin3993 жыл бұрын

    Love the way you work on your bikes, like a working on a fine watch.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much Colin! I'm glad you like the videos. There are a few more in the pipeline and then I'm hoping to switch to the other bikes. Best wishes, Mike

  • @malcolmbennett3555
    @malcolmbennett35554 жыл бұрын

    so glad to read the very dangerous issue did not cause you injury or the bike significant damage. glad to you are replacing all the related parts so all will be good for rmany many years to come :)

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Malcolm. Yes, I consider myself lucky on this one! The replacement parts should be on their way now and should be pretty simple to install. Best wishes, Mike

  • @alanaldrich8069
    @alanaldrich80694 жыл бұрын

    I watched your video with great sympathy as you realised the extent of the damage to the sprocket drum assembly. The cause seemed so simple yet so easy to be trapped into. I hope you can get it rectified quickly. In my youth I longer for a Vincent engine as I wanted to add it to ny feather bed Norton frame. I know this may sound like sacrilege to a true Vincent owner. A friend of mine beat me to the punch when an ex-sidecar racer had his Vincent engine for sale. He was loading it into his car when I arrived to look at it. I ended up using a Bonnieville motor.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Alan for your great comment. I appreciate it. Yes, I'm sure it will all be just fine with the replacement parts. Oh my, can you believe it that you used to be able to pickup old Vincent engines for relatively little money! There are still a few NorVins around and they are spectacular!! Cheers, Mike

  • @pashakdescilly7517

    @pashakdescilly7517

    4 жыл бұрын

    A Vincent engine in a featherbed is the wrecking of two good bikes to make a not very good bike. If you want a frame for your Vincent engine, put it in an Egli

  • @johnmcclain3887

    @johnmcclain3887

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had a Triumph Bonneville, back in 76, never got the Vincent I wanted, and I miss the Bonneville. I owned some 13 Yamaha 650's, while on recruiter duty in the Marines, in Va, bought out a guy's basket cases, and put about half together, and then the one I kept was stolen. I've got a custom harley I built in 95, but it just isn't a Vincent. I can only dream, lol.

  • @rscaryrsc
    @rscaryrsc4 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Too long bolts possibly aggravated by heat generated from braking may have caused the drum to finally crack from the pressure. I continue to be amazed by all the little engineering details on this bike. So much thought went into the design of all the components to make it rider/mechanic friendly for servicing.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Scott!

  • @jamespinderphotoman
    @jamespinderphotoman4 жыл бұрын

    Oh dear, oh dear. I'll be sure to remember this one if I ever get my hands on a Vincent in my lifetime!

  • @thomasche
    @thomasche3 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see the Avon Roadrider tires on there.

  • @JRondeauYUL
    @JRondeauYUL4 жыл бұрын

    What a nice and handy motorcycle lift you have ! I’m a structural engineer. This is what we call a shear failure, and a very long one too. Rarely seen.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Jean-François. I think it must have been happening for a long time according to the rust. Best wishes, Mike

  • @453421abcdefg12345
    @453421abcdefg123454 жыл бұрын

    At least you have found the answer to your problem, that has been a problem waiting to happen since the sprocket was fitted, the hub spoke flange bolts can also give trouble, but I see you have hex bolts with one flat machined smaller rather that the eccentric head type. good luck on your replacement parts, and stay safe away from other people! Chris B.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Chris. I hope all is well with you and your family. We are all doing very well considering. Yes, the new parts have been ordered and should hopefully be here soon. It should be a relatively straightforward replacement. Best wishes, Mike

  • @berniebne8243
    @berniebne82434 жыл бұрын

    Many years ago I was involved with a London Bus Preservation Society. We had a friendly commercial wrecking yard where the owner had been an apprentice for London Transport. He used to put parts aside for us. One of the split rim wheels he gave us had a slightly different curve, unnoticeable by eye & put pressure on the brake drum. The end result was the same as your bike. we only realized why the casting had cracked from some witness marks.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Bernie for this. It was very helpful. Cheers, Mike

  • @TheDavey333
    @TheDavey3334 жыл бұрын

    That’s a catastrophic failure, good you were near home. Looks like it was a long time coming, judging by the rust in certain places. Keep safe Mike all the best and keep smiling 😀

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much David. That was an interesting project. Thanks for your kind words as always and best wishes to you and yours.

  • @gregbrassington2120
    @gregbrassington21204 жыл бұрын

    That could have been so much worse Mike ! Glad your all over it Mike. New hub ,sprocket rear & front , chain probably do the de-bling whilst it ripped down. She will come up a treat👍 Cheers Greg

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Greg. Yes, I have just finished the rebuild and there should be another video coming out soon. It wasn't so bad. Mostly just reassembling everything and it was nice to see a black sprocket, not more chrome ;)

  • @iivaridark6850
    @iivaridark68504 жыл бұрын

    Quite interesting! Thanks for the video!

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it! Thanks, Mike

  • @tadpoles10
    @tadpoles104 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the update Mike, a simple but expensive mistake, so pleased you are ok 'metal' can be fixed. Only thing similar that I can recall was a cambelt going on an old Cortina years ago, not as noisy as a chain sprocket turning at speed . ha ha. I'm doing the 'self isolating' here, tinkering in the garage and have cut the grass first time this year. Regards to all, stay safe & well. atvb t ..

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Terry. Glad you are working on projects and staying busy during this time. I am also beginning to catch up on a few things. Best wishes, Mike

  • @caahacky
    @caahacky4 жыл бұрын

    Good video Mike - never seen your hands so dirty!

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hehe, I know! The bike is filthy ;) It needs a good clean. There's an oil leak (maybe more than 1) that I need to fix as they are spraying the bike with oil!

  • @abp2861
    @abp28614 жыл бұрын

    Good vid👍🏻👍🏻

  • @coreylevenson
    @coreylevenson4 жыл бұрын

    It'll be interesting to see how hard it is to remove the ten fasteners that hold the drum to the hub with all the spokes in place. Could be slow going with not much wrench movement possible in such a confined space. Good luck, Mike; I know you'll persevere in the end!

  • @malcolmbennett3555

    @malcolmbennett3555

    4 жыл бұрын

    remove every 2nd bolt to provide clearance :)

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Corey. The old drum is off now and I'm just waiting for the replacement parts to arrive. I ordered all new hardware too and checked that they should fit aok! Best wishes, Mike

  • @larrys.3992
    @larrys.39924 жыл бұрын

    Know thy beast! So much in those three words. Good job Mike!

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Larry. I hope all is well. Best wishes, Mike

  • @vicscott7872
    @vicscott78723 жыл бұрын

    On reflection the fiber lock nuts are on the spokeflange/hub I have thin nuts & dead size bolts (with small gap between sprocket flange and first rib of drum) on the shadow.

  • @Wooley689
    @Wooley6894 жыл бұрын

    Dang Mike, I hate that. Very interesting video though and how the ease of maintenance was engineered in.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Wooley. The parts are already ordered and hopefully will arrive soon. It should be a fairly straightforward replacement! Best wishes, Mike

  • @charliesharpe5004
    @charliesharpe50043 жыл бұрын

    Rear solid axle (tommy bar) should have a 1/16" thick chamfered washer between it and the R.F.M. on l.h.s. Not shown in the Parts List but drawn in "Richardson". Cheers mate.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ooh, thanks Charlie. I missed that. I will take a look for sure and fit one. Best wishes, Mike

  • @Beeza56
    @Beeza564 жыл бұрын

    Well worth the anticipation, thank you Mike. Who would've thought? I know you could've done without the expense, but it'll at least keep you busy. All the best and thanks again :)

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it Ian. Thanks a lot for your note. The replacement parts are on order and hopefully it will be a pretty simple replacement. Best wishes, Mike

  • @TornadoCAN99
    @TornadoCAN994 жыл бұрын

    Looks like a few spacer washers under heads of those bolts would have prevented the interference, or a little grinding protrusions beyond the nuts.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're absolutely right! Apparently a few of the Vincent guys said that they do that when they see that the bolts may be a bit too long! Best wishes, Mike

  • @rvanderw998
    @rvanderw9984 жыл бұрын

    Excellent forensic investigation Mike! Unfolds like a good crime whodunnit! The tall bolts did it, of course!

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hehe, thanks a lot Richard. Yes, I really enjoyed getting to the bottom of this mystery! Best wishes, Mike

  • @54macdog
    @54macdog4 жыл бұрын

    "Know Thy Beast". How cool is that?

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hehe, it's one of the most widely read books by the Vincent guys. It's required reading ;) Cheers, Mike

  • @dducdude6315
    @dducdude63154 жыл бұрын

    Ahhh I knew there had to be a reason leave it to Mr Stevens from KTB to detail just what happened... Time to go and check all the nuts and bolts for correctness! Once again glad all is well elsewhere on the bike. Was thinking if you swapped the wheel around and had a sprocket on the other side you could have just spun the wheel around to get home. I knew thee was a good reason Vin's had that extra sprocket..LOL Cheers Mate, Eric

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Eric, yes, I was actually thinking of possibly fitting two sprockets! Perhaps in the future. I do like to see the extra in the other side. It always looks cool! I hope all is well with you. Best wishes, Mike

  • @vicscott7872
    @vicscott78723 жыл бұрын

    You also have shadow drums on a Rapide, no bad thing! nuts were originaly thiner with fiber lock material. I have a shadow and two comets, just saying.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Vic. Yes, I really like those ribbed shadow drums. They look great!

  • @jimh.5286
    @jimh.52864 жыл бұрын

    It's a little scary to realize that such a seemingly minor bolt-length issue could have such a catastrophic result.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Jim, yes that could have been a lot worse upon reflection! I'm so glad that it happened at about 10mph! Cheers, Mike

  • @bsimpson6204
    @bsimpson62044 жыл бұрын

    Someone who thought they were good mechanics fitted the wrong bolts and levered it apart… The rust you see on broken surfaces of the drum is from where it cracked earlier and rusted. Hope you get it fixed ok,

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot! Yes, it's all done now. I have a vid coming up for the refitting. It was quite straightforward. Thankfully just nuts and bolts and parts and $$s! Cheers, Mike

  • @bsimpson6204

    @bsimpson6204

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mi Ty good stuff, look forward to the next video 👍

  • @motorcyclegarage2307
    @motorcyclegarage23074 жыл бұрын

    Would have expanded with heat as well I guess

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great point! Thanks a lot. Cheers, Mike

  • @stancoleshill8925
    @stancoleshill89254 жыл бұрын

    You need a new drum. This can not be repaired as it turns and must be centered. You can not weld this thin cast iron. Please note that there are no washers under the heads of the bolts which may have provided enough clearance to prevent this from happening (again) ? Also please note that appears on the drawing that the bolts are installed from the other side. Ah-ha !

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Stan. All the new parts have arrived and they look great. I will post another video of the reassembly process using the proper nuts and bolts ;) best wishes, Mike

  • @BilgemasterBill
    @BilgemasterBill4 жыл бұрын

    Too-tall bolts sounds like just the kind of boneheaded thing I'd do, thinking the new hardware was an "improvement".

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hehe, yes I don't think someone realized how much impact it would have over time. And they appear to have been cut by hand, so it wouldn't have hurt to shorten them. Hope all is well Bill. Best wishes, Mike

  • @tomgarney7700
    @tomgarney77003 жыл бұрын

    It’s a classic fatigue failure. Age and use caused the failure, not the bolts.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's both, Tom

  • @ThePianoCentre
    @ThePianoCentre4 жыл бұрын

    Never spotted that Mike , how difficult is it to get a new one ?

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi David, it should hopefully be very easy. The Vincent Spares scheme company and also companies here in the US have a full inventory of parts for the Vincents. Best wishes, Mike

  • @Richard-pe4cx
    @Richard-pe4cx4 жыл бұрын

    do you find the avon rider tyres difficult to sit even on the rim ?

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    They seem to fit very well, Richard. I haven't noticed but then again they were fitted by a local dealer who I assume has the proper equipment. Best wishes, Mike

  • @pashakdescilly7517
    @pashakdescilly75174 жыл бұрын

    Your Rapide rejected the Shadow parts.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    HAHA! Yes, they were too "fancy" ;)

  • @keithhall4883
    @keithhall48834 жыл бұрын

    metal looks old and weak plus the bolts look to long or round the wrong way ?

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Keith, yes I'm pretty sure that the bolts were simply too long, plus other impacts such as heat and wear & tear contributed to the failure! Best wishes, Mike

  • @John900C
    @John900C4 жыл бұрын

    Poor design.

  • @TheMightyGarage

    @TheMightyGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    It certainly is a weak point.