For those wondering on what this video may be in reference to, JoCat, another KZread channel, in response to a long time of dealing with harassment, threats, doxxing, which even extended to his family, has announced that he will soon be done with content creation, indefinitely. I absolutely love this creator, and I am genuinely upset at how people ruined something that was genuinely good and made others happy. I do genuinely hope that he maybe comes back from his leave, or reconsiders it, but I do respect his decision in the end. So many people don’t understand that content creation is demanding work, especially because you deal with a massive audience, where many will wish to ridicule you, defame you, and many other things to ruin not just your day, but your week, month, year, or even life, especially if they find out something about you they don’t like, no matter the fact of it being something you can control or not. Jo, as part of possibly other comments I will make in regard to you, I hope you come back, as many good things do, but if you don’t, I understand. People were cruel to you, and you want to get away from it, as many others would. But if you do still leave, goodbye, things were good while they lasted.

@tenjenk

7 ай бұрын

and it was a really FUN video. Jocat is a huge LGBT ally and had a huge female following. He was wholesome, supportive and made fantastic content. People loved him.

@flarelord8425

7 ай бұрын

I love JoCat. Nooo.

@JackdawLT

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for telling this, I was confused about this video and had no idea what happened. I am not subscribed to JoCat, but I still know that they are a great person. He doesn't deserve any of it.

@JarodTaft

7 ай бұрын

I assumed this was about Rules Lawyer's latest video. I haven't listened to it yet, but if the title is an indicator I could definitely see this video being about that. Pretty sad when a video like this has to be made to begin with and we have multiple options for decent people to wonder if it's about them.

@quark12000

7 ай бұрын

I've never liked Jocat's content, but they don't deserve what's happened to them.

I would just like to drop this quote here: “Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” ― Robert E. Howard This is why this things happen.

Pathfinder Society Rule #1: Don't be a jerk.

@Ondrix

7 ай бұрын

That's not a Pathfinder rule... that's just a rule of life (that a lot of people ignore).

@stephhanley3167

7 ай бұрын

@@Ondrix It actually is in the Pathfinder Society Guide to Organized Play

@stephhanley3167

7 ай бұрын

At least, it used to be.

@Twigggggy

7 ай бұрын

@@stephhanley3167i believe the user forgot to type “just” after the word “not”

@joeking1956

7 ай бұрын

Being a Human Being Rule: Don't be a jerk!

Damn, I don't do social media so I hadn't heard about this. JoCat was always one of my absolute favorite content creators, just a total gem of a human being. I'm sad to see him leave, but I understand his reasoning. I will miss him dearly

@isaacgraff8288

7 ай бұрын

100% agree.

Idk what happened, but I'm sorry to see you so bummed NoNat. Take good care of yourself.

@CalypsoTheWanderingStar

7 ай бұрын

People harassed Jocat so much that he is quitting content creation, all because he made a cute video about liking girls of all types

@ackbarreserve

7 ай бұрын

What the ABSOLUTE FUCK.

@snakeeyes1970

7 ай бұрын

@@CalypsoTheWanderingStar Thats a shame ☹

@Raggi86

7 ай бұрын

​@@CalypsoTheWanderingStarAh, no. Jocat is a sweetie.

@tasty_cake6563

7 ай бұрын

@@CalypsoTheWanderingStar wasn't it two years ago...?

Thank you for standing up and saying this as much as we shouldn't have to bloody say it. My wife and I had this conversation with her in laws yesterday (we're in our 40s, as a point of reference) and how social media has made it so goddamn simple to an anonymous troll/asshat/whathaveyou because you can't be reached. I did a slightly longer rant on twitter and tagged you and the video. It won't go very far as I'm hardly an anybody on there but felt I had to get it off my chest at 6:50am. Again, thank you

I think the worst part of it is, most people who will watch this are people who agree wholeheartedly with you, and the people who would go as far as harrassing others don't even care to.

@lucamonticelli267

7 ай бұрын

I'm afraid it's even more disgusting than this, the people that insult,harass and dox feel like they "won" when they manage to bully a content creator from the public.

@eduardoarancibia169

7 ай бұрын

The horror of statistics. In the end it's only the bottom 1% and upper 1% of people that "matter".

Between JoCat and Rules Lawyer, wishing the absolute best for both of them. They’ve been some of my favorite guys online and are such delightful presentations of masculinity and community.

@T0beyeus

7 ай бұрын

Did Rules Lawyer quit within the 6 hours of posting a Pro Terrorism video? He posted a video where he had to turn off his comments. Let not pretend that an experience political pundit and political activist would struggle with backlash. He would be keenly aware of what he was stepping into with his terrible take since he literally does it for a living.

@awdsqe123

7 ай бұрын

​@@T0beyeusLol, he's got thousands of likes, seems his main audience is supportive ;)

@T0beyeus

7 ай бұрын

@@awdsqe123 ​I actually do not think Rules Lawyer would have quit, again he is clearly experienced in doing what he is doing, making appearances on TV, etc...

@GorgoPrimus

7 ай бұрын

@@T0beyeus Being against an openly genocidal campaign != being pro terrorism. Kind of the opposite in fact. He never said a single thing in support of Hamas or any other terrorist organization in that video either.

@TentacularTaku

7 ай бұрын

@@T0beyeusImagine thinking an anti-genocide position is “pro terrorism”

Well said - and if it wasn't for this channel, I'd never have gotten into PF2e which has proved such fun in our gaming group. Thanks for all your hard work Nonat !

Honestly to bully someone offline who’s creating stuff for fun is so sad. Someone who’s brought me so much happiness and joy is now on an indefinite hiatus? Breaks my heart.

If this is about what I think this about. Thanks for speaking out about this. While I'll miss the individual I think this is about I hope the process of retirement brings them the peace they desire and deserve.

This is why I respect content creators, even the ones I don't particularly like. I can't imagine having to put up with the harassment and hate from people I don't know on a daily, weekly, monthly, whatever basis. It's the same reason I generally avoid social media, I just don't have the time, energy, or mindset to deal with it. Nobody deserves it.

@Nimoot

7 ай бұрын

There are a few that actively bash their own community... and not in a 'funny-haha' way... in a way that I've got PTSD from two in particular... I was 100% on board with them and then they went 1000% toxic one day and their audience liked it ... because it 'wasn't happening to them' and it was 'entertaining' for them to see someone else get bashed. Someone like the person he's mentioning, without saying whom himself, yeah ... they were not a toxic individual ... and it sucks that the dark side of humanity gets to run rampant ... 😞

@tenjenk

7 ай бұрын

​​​@@Nimootyeah jocat is a genuinely good person who makes great positive content. All the false claims the haters are making are so milquetoast about something so obviously fun and mundane that their crazed unjustified behaviour comes off as even more unhinged and does not fit. All that harassment and doxxing and sending unmarked packages to his family members? Wtf?

@Nimoot

7 ай бұрын

@@tenjenk I had to look up the word 'milquetoast' ... that's a new one! Yeah there's a particular streamer in the FFXIV scene that ... openly bashed me in his chat for showing concern he was doing something illegal on stream... I cannot hear their voice without physically feeling ill.... JoCat though ... He acts all "DO THIS THING AND DON'T BE A DUMBASS! YOU'RE WELCOME!" in his vids and you laugh cause it's funny... I did/do like his content.

You do a great job. I love pathfinder more and more because of you. Thanks from Brazil!!! ❤

Thank you for making this video. I sincerely hope the people who bully folks online grow up some day.

"Social media made y'all way to [sic] comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." Mike Tyson

This is a good message. One problem: The people willing to doxx a creator and send them and their family suspicious packages know EXACTLY what they're doing. That's not thoughlessness. Not something they could mistake for harmless joking on the internets. That is targeted cruelty.

I like and respect you Nonat! You're one of the reason's I gave Pathfinder 2e a shot and it's now my favorite TTRPG. I rarely contribute in the comments, but I'll try to spread more positivity. Take it easy and happy holidays!

Hey Nonat... no idea what happened if I'm being honest, I'm usually not up to date with current events but I get it. It sucks to know that people just don't care about each other and it's not a fun environment to be in... hell, I don't have any social media accounts exactly for that reason. Just know that there are real people who do care and are nice, they're harder to find, especially online but there's a good chunk of people who are good and do care about each other. I'm not gonna tell you "oh just think positively" because not once in my life had that helped me. I do wanna tell you that you do good work and I believe that you genuinely enjoy talking about things in the TTRPG space and you genuinely care about it which leads you to sharing your emotions which is great because I wouldn't know about the OGL changes or the hasbro layoffs if you hadn't made videos about it I know people suck but you're doing good work I hope it gets better - Mara

@aettic

7 ай бұрын

A lot of who do take the time to be kind and respectful are often buried in the noise - like you, I don't use social media, or participate in many online communities because of the vitriol, and the spite and anger that seems to come from random people for no reason. As a result, their voices often end up being much louder. What kind of signal does that send to our friends who aren't yet into gaming, but might be curious? It's unfortunate how incessantly immature some people are. The best thing that we can do - you and I - is to stand up for people, spread that positivity, and be the welcoming voices in the hobby.

@Nimoot

7 ай бұрын

Likely JoCat stopping Content Creation... which kinda sucks cause I enjoyed his "Guides" to playing different types of jobs in FFXIV for the comedy of it.

@elementalguy2

7 ай бұрын

​@@NimootI remember his MHW guides when he first started trying his hand at CC and getting a kick out of it. Never really watched much after that besides a few bits here or there but he was good even if it wasn't for me. Certainly not someone anyone should feel the need to harass.

@friendofmara9362

7 ай бұрын

I just found out that JoCat is leaving KZread and that's why this video was made... I'm gonna miss him

You got me into pf2e when the ogl went to chaos. Still playing with a group that's looking to get to level 20, level 5 now. Also looking to move in with 2 others from that group. I can't tell you how much the knowledge you've given me has changed my life, in a good way. Thanks Nonat1s, I really mean it.

Hey Nonat I’ve had a subscription for a while and I like most videos I watch but this is the first time I’m leaving a comment. I know this video maybe in reference to another content creator but it’s valid to all creators. So I wanted to throw some love in your direction. I look out for all of the new content you put out. It always makes my day to see a new video. Your guides have helped me soooooo much as a player and as a GM. I’ve watched most of your videos a couple of times and even made it through the 3 hour monster (you know the one) twice end to end. When I’m researching I turn on your videos. When I’m bored, doing housework, or even falling asleep (that is supposed to be a compliment). You’ve inspired me to do some home brewing for classes and spells. Thank you for the hours or content that I continue and will continue to consume. Keep up the awesome work. I hope this praise finds you well.

Giving respect is free and costs nothing, not giving respect can cost everything, please be respectful even when it's trying. Thank you Nonat for this amazing video about why respect is important.

While I don't know the actual cause that resulted in this video, I wanted to say that the Nonat1s discord is simply amazing! It is such a wonderful community where everyone is there to just enjoy the game, and each other, and there never seems to be a moment of hate or disrespect. We just love each other because we share a love for something.

Online hate is a reason that I'm afraid to create. I'm working on my self-confidence, but the fear of situations that may involve anonymous threats to my life for no reason is a little harder to get over than "oh, but what if I'm not good at it".

JoCat is/was one of my exes favorite content creators and while I haven't spoken with my ex in months, I still geniunely enjoyed watching JoCats content and this uncalled for hatred bothers me to no end...

Hate is an addiction. Hating something, stomping other people's feelings, insulting someone, staining one's source of joy, they all make someone feel >good

its a good reminder thank you. youre a great example of someone who is positive but not to the point of letting others off the hook. Most videos you're smiling and bringing excited energy, hope to see more.

The last place I worked has "Be Kind" as it's corporate motto. They do their best to live up to it, helping those facing homelessness. Simple but a good mantra. My father used to say to me that I might be the only friendly face that someone sees in a week, so be kind. You never know what struggles someone is facing. To echo what you said, try being kind, instead of tearing down random people. Lift someone up, especially if you don't know them. Thanks for posting, dude.

You have slowly become one of my favourite Ttrpg KZreadrs and the fact that you take the time to defend another creator in the space makes me have massive respect for you, keep up the great work and I agree with everything you're saying.

I can't put into words here what this has brought up for me, save to say that this year I have been shocked to see the lack of empathy I've seen before on the internet now reflected in the teenage children I am teaching in a secondary school. In the past, I have usually been able to guide students to see that they are doing some harm to others around them and they will choose to change their behaviour. This year, I have struggled, because it is clear that a large number of the students I had in my class this year understood they were hurting people, and were choosing their actions to achieve this.

I knew his audiance was gonna do this.. He gathered a hate group around him recently. He reflected the idea of people claiming harassment on streamers for playing hogwarts legacy... His audiance loves going after things they dislike... Damn I am sad for him

The people saying "Just suck it up" or "That's part of being a content creator" are seriously fucking gross and need to re-evaluate their values.

Started encountering this behavior when I started gaming online in MMOs, best advice I ever got: Don't feed the trolls. Unfortunately it's a facet of human nature that just exists in the information age but in my experience they do it more for attention than anything else. If someone jus obviously trolling don't engage them and try to correct their behavior because they do not want to be reasoned with, they want the attention they are now getting. Just block them and move on with your day.

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

"When people send weird things to your house and dox you, just suck it up." Gross and weird thing you said here. Should delete it.

@benb4557

7 ай бұрын

@@coldravioli7839 The point is that if you never engage with them in the first place it won't normally escalate. I'm not trying to victim blame but these people are not going to feel bad or shameful because someone else tells them to. They are going to revel in the attention and see that as a success.

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

@@benb4557 That's simply not how it works. Your way out of your depth on this topic. You're just wrong.

@benb4557

7 ай бұрын

@@coldravioli7839 I am simply responding to NoNat1's video that he posted. He was vague and did not give cite specific examples. That is in all likelihood a good thing because as I said earlier most trolls just want attention. What I said earlier is by no means foolproof or applicable to every situation. As you have done nothing but tell me that I'm wrong for literally no reason I am going to assume you are trolling and block you to demonstrate that this can often work.

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

@@benb4557 victim blaming is victim blaming, the context doesn't actually matter. But you also just admitted you don't know the situation (even though you could easily find out more), so like, why even argue about a situation that you don't know about? TLDR: I don't have to explain every fucking nuance of a detail to inform you that it's wrong to victim blame. It's gross. YOu should delete it.

Its sad because jocat got me into dnd which eventually led to pathfinder. These people are truly terrible

It isn't so much entertainment, grudges and disdain. It is the sense of control and feeling better about themselves by comparison. Regardless of how personal the comments are, they are aimed towards the people who are easy to target and easy to form groups of haters around. People do this because they lack that control and self love in their own lives. Not to mention it is easier to suppress the bad feeling about their job, relationships or body than it is to rise above that and pursue something they can be happy about. Not just because that pursuit is hard, which it is, but because our brains instinctively prioritise avoiding bad feelings over pursuing good ones. They fear failure and disappointment from comparing themselves to others so much, they push said feelings onto others to benefit that comparison. That doesn't mean this should be condoned, or that it can't hurt you. But maybe in some small way it can help, knowing that the people on the other side don't necessarily believe what they say, they are just hurt (and choose to express that like playground bullies.)

I am also practically anonymous with no following what so ever so the impact of this is decidedly small. But I love your content Nonat. Thank you for putting up with the parts that suck to bring us the stuff we like and that you enjoy.

I usually don't comment on social media because all that drama doesn't matter to me. If I don't like someone's content, I don't watch it and I don't follow it, but I also don't pour hate on that person... It's in bad taste to do that. In any case, you have my support and my respect. A greeting from Spain.

Well, wherever there is success, there is always jealousy. And then there are trolls who just want to insult others. Humanity at its best.

So many people suck. Even in person it's getting bad. Hope you stay mentally healthy!

Thank you for being a light in the darkness. You are one of only 3 creators out of a couple dozen that I am subscribed to that actively makes videos against hate and discrimination. Let it be known that this sort of stuff is not okay. The world will be such a better place if we just loved each other like brothers and sisters.

Thank you for making this video. Youre a gem. ❤

Except ignoring them is really the only option because getting a response for you is exactly what they want, doesn't really matter in which form. You can appeal to them, insult back or cave in (which is the worse one because it shows they "won"), they literally entertain themselves that way. Being a _public_ person especially online has always come with harassment it's nothing new, being _able to handle it_ has always been part of it. Is it fair? no, is it moral? no, but unfortunately it is what it is.

it should be noted that JoCat didn't quit because of just hate, he quit because they started sending packages to him and his family.

All my support to you for the years to come. I try to teach my young children (boy&girl) that being sensitive is a strength, not only because it requires strength to expose yourself, but also because it makes you brave, and self aware, and empathetic. But I cannot give the same advice to you : and that is so sad. You're a creator, you're probably sensitive (at least to your art or the subject of your content), but as you said, part of the job description is now to learn to ignore that because your exposition is that you encounter selfish bullies that give you that -10 moral to give them a temporary+0,1. So just take this hug bro 🤗 at least one comment where you won't find any hate

@pontchristophe3938

7 ай бұрын

(no hate except if I said anything that offended anyone reading it ..! In which case please feel at ease to tell me and enlighten me about it ❤)

Thank you for making this video. I admit I only know of JoCat slightly so I don't know why people have been awful to them but if anything, this has made me want to learn more about them and potentially offer them support. ETA: Added this channel to my subscriptions.

I wholeheartedly support this message.

So I have often fallen into this, especially when talking about "Faceless companies." However I do make it a point for it to be about the company or group in question. I do have the same feelings but I write to have a valve of release. It is super important to find your release without hurting anyone else.

I would think people would stop doing this crap. It's so sad people can't realize that is a real person with real feelings. Thanks for saying this NoNat

It's not just anonymous trolls...A lot of influencers or creators do a lot to fuel hate.

Maybe Hasbro will hire JoCat's bullies. Villains of a feather... It's deeply unfair that someone so talented is being chased away. May their new Has to jobs be eternal.

Be good, and be kind Love does not hate, love does not break others down, love does not cause fear True love will cast out fear I’m glad of two things, one being that you made this, because not everyone would be brave enough to, the second that I noticed that, at time of this comment, one in ten views has a like attached

Youre right, you shouldnt have to say any of this. This kind of stuff is unforgivable and my main boi was targeted. I am insulted this happened, thank you for making this video and apparently teaching people how to be human!!! Again thank you, and cancel culture is by far the worst thing humanity has created

The worst part is I am not fully sure of which incident you are talking about, there's been a couple this week. I *think* I know based on context clues, but the Internet is just a really toxic place sometimes. I hope everyone is OK and we can just be nice to eachother.

I'm a big fan of people disabling comments when this is happening. I'm also personally a social media ghost. Not everything online needs to be a back and forth.

I'm using Google translate while writing these. My English is not very good and I have a little difficulty in learning something because I have attention deficit disorder. Thanks to your videos, I can learn new information about Pathfinder and its old rules more easily. The point I want to make is that unfortunately there are too many ridiculous people in the world and if we listen to all of them, it will be difficult for us to live. I can guess your situation, maybe I can empathize, but I can't feel exactly what you feel. I can only tell you to ignore them. I have no idea about your personality, but you seem like a nice person and do good work. It may seem empty for someone to tell you not to care about them, but sometimes it can feel good to have someone remind you of this and know that you are not alone in your thoughts. Forget them, my friend. Do what you love and live the way you love. Whether you shoot a video or not. Thank you for all the information you have provided so far. Greetings from Turkey.

@samamca7214

7 ай бұрын

I just learn about joecat.That really sad. I little bit angry and thats bullshit.

Nice video. Love your content.

Great video. I'm not a creator but appreciate your insight and your intentions.

If you can't handle the public then do not engage with the public.

Thank-you for what you give us NoNat!

The problem is empathy is dead practically everywhere. From relationships to employment to education to entertainment, all most people care about is what others can do for them and milking everyone they meet for all they're worth. The sad state of humanity today

I didn't know about that, but it is so sad, to see people acting this disgusting towards other people, who just want to entertain and have fun.

Honestly this is a type of video we need to see more often cause it feels like people have forgotten basic courtesy in the age of the internet. One thing I would disagree with though is the idea that these people act like this just to enjoy causing problems. The issue is people will create problems or reasons to hate someone out of a warped sense of righteousness. They convince themselves the person they are harassing is deserving of that harassment and thus their actions are justified.

I do understand, it's the downside of freedom of expression, which i fully stand behind. People like that deserve less thought process than an ant could give, and so they get less than that. Then again it's not like I'm somehow better than those guys, I fall victim to it too, I curse at people behind the wheel.

JoCat is the second creator I follow in a little over a week to get bullied off the internet. The first one was a _minor_ who got bullied just for sharing their fun analog horror story. It has been so, so disheartening seeing this happen so much lately.

I mean, it's common, if you go in any "rich people" seminar this is one of the big themes and the only solution is a fair amount of isolation and undertanding from where people come from and undertand when criticism is to be listened or discarded. Be objective: maybe the guy in his hate might have some insight or you might just learn on how the person was upset from something, it's never personal untill you take it as so

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

Bruh wtf. "This man is calling me slurs, but I should be patient, they might have a point!" The thing you just said is gross, to be clear. You should delete it. It's embarrassing.

@Stone_Orchids

7 ай бұрын

@@coldravioli7839 I see you don't have a clue about what I just sed. Yep what you are saying it's gross, fortunately that's not my point but your flawed interpratation. But that's the point, the way you elaborate the response of someone else understanding when there's something to learn or understand, maybe you just find out that they didn't read properly and who knows what they think you have written but it's quite useful because now you can better understand how to react to this kind of things. That's an example but you misunderstood my message because you have issues to follow and understand it in the first place, but that's up to you

there's no context or place completely free of toxic ppl. luckily, often one can choose to ignore or even get them out of one's life :)

Go watch all of JoCat's shit. Right now. Give him the support he deserves for the amazing content he's made. He deserves to be proud of it, and he deserves for it to reward him.

I love your videos and I love Pathfinder because the work you do!! Saludos desde Mexico !!

Well spoken

Not sure what spurred this but as someone who talks quite a bit in front of other people, and use to spend hours debating "that one person", I can say that I came to a conclusion. There are 1 out of 1,000 people that are just crazy. You may not notice it much in your day to day life because you don't interact with that many people and if you notice a crazy person in real life you avoid them. So if you have say a platform where you get 10k or even 100k people in your audience, then you are talking about 10-100 crazy people that are just there. I am a huge advocate for free speech, and will never support banning people for different ideas, even vial ones though. I just take solace in the fact that the majority of the people are good people. If I convey and idea on a platform and I see 10,000 people saw it and say 10 people call me names, 100 people agreed with me strongly and the rest just didn't do or say anything, that is a pretty good in my book. Most people don' have time to type or care to, so 100 people taking the time out of their day to agree is nice. Then the 10 that say vial things, even threaten my life, are just the crazy people out there. I can focus on those 10 people and never change their minds, and probably waist hours of my day on them OR I can think that 9,990 people at least were neutral or approved of my idea. A guy once said to me "If you take your date to a park and it is a 100 acre beautiful park, your lunch is great and you are enjoying a great day. Everything seems perfect but you know some dog pooped 9 acres away. Do you focus on that one dog poop or do you enjoy everything else?

I couldn't agree more with your video here. If I post online - to a forum, to a KZread channel, to Facebook, to LinkedIn, I always keep it friendly, professional, and uplifting. If I can, I will try to put a "good word." Why? I myself am a creator - though not on KZread yet. Maybe once my game is finished, that will be the next step. But I want to make sure that I make as good of product as I can before attempting to do so.

Thanks for calling out those that need it 😊

And there's so many voices we just don't get. I'm a delight, and been playing RPGs since the early 80s, and have a lot of insight into the hobby. But I'm also a trans woman who is nearly 50, and there's no way I'm turning on a camera and posting it online. I don't want to read dozens of slurs and attacks every day, and that's what would happen. So you don't get to know me. And so people have a skewed view of the hobby - there's a HUGE lgbt+ community in RPGs but we rarely do our thing in public so people think it's just straight white cis dudes, because they're the only ones who don't get insta-hated off the Internet. (Not saying it's easy for you, it's awful, but it's so much worse for anyone else.)

What's this in reference to?

@FinchesFables

7 ай бұрын

JoCat being harassed to the point of announcing he's quitting content creation.

@moekitsune

7 ай бұрын

​@@FinchesFables The fuck did I miss?

@boltgamr1029

7 ай бұрын

​@FinchesFables Well that's disgusting. I dont watch their stuff regularly, but when I do, I love their art style, humour, and the pace of the videos. Humanity truly is the worst of humanity.

@nathanschmidt5026

7 ай бұрын

Well that's shitty, thought it was in reference to the vid posted today from "the rules lawyer"

@kynixie

7 ай бұрын

@@moekitsune people harassing, doxxing, sending packages to, etc. to jocat because of his "I like girls" video.

With the title name and timing of posting, i was thinking this was going to be related to The Rules Lawyer.

@ergovoks5200

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, Ronald chose perfect timing to announce that he supports baby burners and murderers

@skandalond

7 ай бұрын

were people bullying him because of his last video?

@IceTheBlackCat

7 ай бұрын

@@skandalond don't think so no, i just saw "Respect" and corelated that

Hope you're doing okay. (I'm not claiming that's what the video is about, but just wishing you the best).

Super sad what happened to JoCat :( I love his work and the fact people are bullying and harassing him :(

Letters sent anonymously aren't worth the paper they're printed on, I don't know why but I've always had a thick skin towards it, this kind of stuff coming from someone you know, now that hurts.

I got onto the internet today hoping to see some good stuff. I saw creators like the TheRuleslawyer put out a difficult and personal video. One of my fav dev companies got their books on bundle of holding. I just wanted to see fun cool game shit. I was hoping to just see RPG community support today in the holiday spirit. Instead, I see cyberbullying, arguments, hate, and so much more. And I'm tired... I've had quite a few death threat scares earlier this year from a collection of certain extremists, all over the fact I didn't like their favourite edition of D&D. As asinine as that sounds. I know how much that sucks, and how much it shakes you. I almost retreated at that point. It's NOT an easy situation. It's stupid and it drains us as creators. Especially for those of us that don't have those high population click-bait accounts. The ones hovering just within the thousands just trying to make mostly tutorials and fun videos. The ones that don't chase the drama... but it finds us anyways. There's been a few... things... that have happened in the RPG community today. None of which needed to happen. This is two main things. Bullying and Tribalism. Both going to their extremes for some... internet points. and it makes my heart hurt...

It’s honestly quite odd that people even find it fun or funny to be hateful and evil. Leaving random comments like that isn’t the same as joking around with your buddies or friends. They could see if you are joking (if so) or just be able to interact with you on a level that making jokes is okay. Throwing random hate at people who you don’t know or don’t know you is really just stupid and useless.

I get maybe 1000 views a month which means I really don't get many comments, however I've been fortunate enough to not have every had a hateful comment either. I have a tiny audience, but I appreciate they are always respectful even when they post about something they didn't like. If someone wants to hit the dislike or post how I have something wrong that completely expected and actually interesting. Being a complete hobbyist, I hope I don't get to the point where I need to deal with hate trolls. I respect people who try to make a living on here, even those creators I dislike, because it takes a huge amount of work for even a basic video. Believe me, I know. I wish I could tell you "Ignore the haters" but I know that's not realistic. I know the first hateful comment I get is going to sit with me for a long time. All I can say is I hope you keep getting more successful and that your success is enough to help you deal with asshats who mic-drop hate. Thanks for all your videos, you really helped me learn and understand PF2e.

❤ Know that you benefit me with entertainment, knowledge and inspiration. Your work, amongst others, has made me thinking of starting a YT-channel where I explain PF2e in Swedish. Thank you!

Exactly this. Nonat1, this very deep personal message should be applied to the entire world at large right now. We ALL know better. Most of us were taught by family or friends or colleagues how to treat your fellow human beings. It's a fact that EVERYONE is going through something. All of us. That one hateful comment, slur, smear, outright lie, can drive a person to disengage from being social, and in extreme cases, give up living altogether. It IS gross as Nonat says. But in an era where all of us should inherently know not to fling vile hate just to make ourselves (insert false positive emotions here), its surprising someone had to stop the world from spinning to tell us to be human to each other - because for someone else - the world HAS stopped spinning because the hate was too hurtful. I've been playing TTRPGs since the 80s so I am little older than most of you all. And even when I started - there were comments that were sent through intermediaries at conventions (GENCON in the 90s in particular) before social media was a thing. And now its everywhere. But I want to close my comments by saying that - first of all Nonat, you are the real deal. I've been playing Pathfinder since Beta in 2006 and my group has been huge fans ever since. And finally, the TTRPG space IS a loving and nurturing space for the most part. It's worth supporting and standing up for in the face of hate. Because we are all humans. We love this community. Let's double-down on doing the right things Nonat has spoken to us about today, and make this place more positive for everyone. Have a good holiday everyone.

On a more lighthearted note, ya better not let G-Fuel see ya drinking that Monster. Lol

The way to fix this is to remove anonymity online. If these internet tough guys thought there might be actual consequences for their actions, they'd slither back under the rock they hide under.

@siegherz

6 ай бұрын

That is an insanely stupid idea. It might work for matters like this, but you are proposing a solution that would allow local and world governments to view your entire history and identify you and everything you've ever done on the internet. It's akin to the courtroom wizard who reads minds for the king. "I have nothing to hide," are the last words for those lined against a wall before sunrise.

the worst part is, this video is ONLY going to reach people that really wont do these things. I mean, the other thing is, that online is anonymous AND it's also going to through you into a "war". It has always been a thing where you have to handle 'bad actors', on either side of all spectrums. hat he is doing, if he can not truely ignore the hate coming at him through X/Twitter (or try and scramble his location using VPN's or other methodes {a PO Box for "mail from fans or advertisers")), then it is probablly best he take a very long break, if not indefinite (which is what it seems like he intends to do). The internet was only ever "calm" back, way back, in the early 2000's and late 90's. Hell even then, it was not entirely free of hate and rage....just had it to a lesser degree. Sadly, this has become more and more of a problem in more recent years/decades. I hope that he is able to move so he wont have to deal with any direct threats and that his family are able to change their numbers. That, and not posting any content, may be the only way to "win". I personally think, and its fine if you disagree, but people can be to hyped by others and they need a reality check on things. was he 'wrong' about posting that video so long ago, no. It dosent help that no one in his circle of friends didnt point out that it COULD become something not intended or worse, a 'rallying cry' for hate. If he had someone that told him, "Bro, you are a great creater and that vid would be awesome, just be careful. You know how NUTS the internet can become and how things can get missused. If you need any help, Ill be there bro." Hopefully he fully heals and is able to go on and become an animator with a name for himself in the industry (unless he has some other degree I dont know of). Good bye JoCat, you will be missed.

@user-sm1bi5ix6l

7 ай бұрын

"some people are subhuman and dont deserve the air they breathe and will make it your problem" shouldnt be a thing people say. We DESERVE a safe environment, its on the 4chaners to stop existing.

I quit a "friend" group partially due to this sort of behavior. Two or three of them would mostly pick on one of the others. [their name] sucks. It was a constant saying. It was fairly annoying but they had all been friends for more than a decade or two. I eventually said something along the lines of, "If you guys treated me the way you do them, there is no way I would continue to hang around you guys. Some of them were a bit surprised, as they thought they were just kidding around. I told them that a jab here and there is one thing, but you guys are relentless and it's every weekend we get together. I think this spurred the other player, as a couple weeks later he eventually stood up for himself and told them all he was getting sick of it and that if they didn't stop, he would stop coming to game night. It stopped, for a bit, then started right back up some months later. One of them had a so-called "habit" of saying a specific racial slur and I told them to stop and when they started saying it again I told them if they didn't stop they were out. It stopped for over a year, figured it was over. We finished the AP I was running and we were roughly halfway through one of the stand-alone adventures when the bullying and racial slur slips and other problems started happening more and more. The bullying was so much so that when one of them got a new place, they made a plague for the WiFi password that read, [their name] Sucks1234 and had it hanging on the wall. It got to be so much that I would wake up with headaches and a feeling of dread that I was going to GM for these guys. I started canceling games and due to my own cowardice and just not wanting to deal with it, I put off telling them why for about two months. When I eventually got on our discord to tell them what was going on and that I was sorry for how long it took me to finally tell them, I was at first told it was all good, that we're all adults, and that we just need to talk about these things so they don't build up. I thought things were going to be ok but I was then greeted by being cursed out and gaslighted that I was the one bullying and constantly putting them down by Accidental Racial Slurrer and WiFi Plague Guy. When I constantly asked to the nature of what things I was saying to put them down were, I was never answered and only cussed out more.

I personally don't try to leave rude comments. And I do try to express my opinions as just that, opinions. But I do enjoy leaving cursed comments occasionally, as they can often spark some interesting conversations. :3

As a dude in his mid-forties, man if you go around with the intent of being nice and your comments are intended to make people feel good out there in the world, life is a lot easier. The old adage of catch more flies with honey really is true.

Thank you for this video

I just read the update. I'm still caught between gnashing my teeth and wanting to cry. It's disgusting that such miserable souls can drive such a good creator - and great person - away from what they enjoy.

The internet is one of the best and worst things ever invented. It created an avenue for trolls to just be trash to each other simply because "haha PWNED!" And this is coming from someone who WAS that guy. I used to play MMO's and the 3 largest guilds on my server voted to ask me to leave because, while I was good at the game, I was a giant asshole. Thankfully 19 year old me grew up. I made a comment on a wholesome video like a year ago about how blessed i was to be a stay at home dad for awhile. A full year later people go to this super wholesome video, find my post and try to insult me and my manhood for daring to stay home and raise my kids. All based off of a 3 sentence comment. I can't imagine what people with popularity go through. My 10 year old wants to do youtube with me and I think we're going to starting in January. But thankfully I can gatekeep the comments from him as I don't let stuff get to me like it would him. I've had random strangers pick up my spirits when I was trying to drop some weight, and I've seen people go out of their way to knit pick stories they know nothing about just because the internet gives them that power. People are great, but the shitty ones unfortunately have the loudest voice.

Good Sunlight! I have the UTMOST respect for what you said Nonat, and THANK YOU for doing Lathander's work, but I have a bad feeling things are only going to get worse... 2 out of 5 people suffer untreated mental illness. 1 out of 3 women have suffered SA in their lives. Most mortals are reeling from the latest crisis (and are WOEFULLY unprepared for the ones coming...) and to make matters worse, most are forced to work through that pain while holding three jobs and stuff... The """chief economic system in place"""(tm) wants desperately to either use these people, outright get rid of them or just ignore them. Either by banking on their pain or selling the false concepts of """normalcy""", """elitism""" and """exclusivity""" to everyone else. The "cures" are simply not good for the Haves' bottom-lines. Where do the ostracized go? On the Internet, it's the easiest place they can project their sad, broken thoughts on folks... just... being. I'm not saying there's an easy way to deal with them, in fact, quite the opposite... Best of luck to all the creators out there (including you, fellow lighthouse)! Thank you for your service!

Don't be an internet Bully 🤬

It is easier to drag another down, than it is to elevate yourself. - Some guy on the internet

Remoteness breeds false courage. When those who can hurt others do so without repercussions, it becomes its own repeating culture. If faced in person, these same people wouldn't have the nerve. That's called cowardice. Bullies do not have respect. They have agendas. Block them. Ban them. Do not wait for them to change. Create the conditions under which they have to. That's how evolution happens. Not by requests. By changing the environment. Much respect to your efforts. Hang in there

I have no idea what has happened but as Brit, I know right from wrong and rather than say it does not matter or I am sorry it happened or call them names on your behalf. I invested in you by joining your perks. I would ask anyone to do this just to say fook-u to people who behave in this way.

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

tldr: JoCat got hate, doxxed, weird packages, threats, etc, and said "Yknow what, fuck this, i quit." And announced he is quitting today.

I feel I know what this is about but that's not what's important. The message is what's important. Be respectful to people, or don't say anything to them. It's not hard. It's the bare minimum.

People are often terrible. People on the internet are downright evil sometimes. It's weird what the anonymity of it does to people's behavior. People who comment absurd stuff would never say it to their target's face most of the time.

You’re not going to change the internet, but you can change the way you react to it. Just like it would be weird to send a hate filled message to a random person… it would be just as weird to receive a message from a random person and take it to heart.

@coldravioli7839

7 ай бұрын

"Just suck it up when people dox your family and send suspicious packages to your home." Gross. Gross thing you just said.

@ChaoticRad

7 ай бұрын

@@coldravioli7839 I was talking about mean messages, not actual threats of violence. But, if you are going to pursue a public career, you should prepare for the worst elements of society. That’s just the world we live in. You are exposing yourself to a large number of people, and some of them will be crazy, and dangerous.

Thank you for saying something man, I can see the fury underneath the surface on you. The rage and the sadness that someone has to give up something they love because others weren't raised right. I've been through that myself. Stay classy man, I'm sorry you get hate too. While I may not always 100% agree with you, I have nothing but respect for you as a person and a creator. Keep doing what you do.