I struggled with this same decision and ended up getting the PR4000. It has the same 3x3 11ga steel as on the 5000. The main difference is the 5/8 vs 1in holes. The biggest difference and deciding factor for me was the price. The rack and all the attachments on the 4000 cost considerably less. This is huge! When I added it all up, I was able to get my rack and 270lbs of plates for the price of just the 5000 rack alone. Then when you combine all the attachments, it’ll add up even more. Sandwich j-cups, safety straps, flip down safeties, Iso arms, lat/low row, rear stabilizer, front feet, spotter arms, multi grip pull-up bar, weight stack, and dip bar are all cheaper on the 4000! I wouldn’t be able to even get half of that with the 5000 because of cost. Both are very solid and don’t let the price fool you, the 4000 is a tank. Surprisingly, you’re paying more for the 5000 with less metal due to all the holes and laser cut numbers. While a lot of items are out of stock now, do yourself a favor and price out everything. If you’re on a budget, you can’t go wrong with the 4000. If money is no object then the 5000 or Rogue Monster is a great option. If you can get as much as you can at once, you can limit shipping cost for each item rather than shipping separately. The rack is shipped via freight so try and add a bench or anything else heavy you plan to buy to minimize shipping. If they haven’t shipped out your stuff yet, you can email them to combine your order on the freight to reduce shipping. Took them about 2 weeks to ship mine so I was luckily able to add items such as the weights and lat/low row attachment as soon as it came in stock. Since I bought this in August, I have noticed recently that REP has raised prices on a few of their items by $10-20. I believe the FB5000 bench also went up from $149 to $169 and now $179. Sorry for the long post but hopefully y’all find it helpful in your buying decision.

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even consider the price of adding all the accessories up! That's a huge factor to consider, and the fact that you could get the 4000 AND weights, for the same price as the 5000 is amazing. I was personally already leaning towards the 4000, but this kind of seals the deal in that direction. Thanks for the tip regarding shipping and combining as much as possible in the one shipment. Rather than buying each piece individually, this will definitely help with budgetary constraints. Thanks providing some very useful insight and detail in the post, it has definitely helped me out with my buying strategy

@dejavu3655

3 жыл бұрын

@@WynnStrength A lot of people keep seeing these racks out of stock. What people don’t realize is you can buy the uprights and crossmembers separately and piece it all together. This is what I did. All the bolts/hardware comes with the crossmembers. This way you can mix and match colors as needed. I got the basic matte black with 6 post for weight storage. Additional colors cost a bit more. I believe it is in stock now!! Look under strength/rack attachments for rack model.

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

@@dejavu3655 That's an incredible tip! I pinned this comment thread to the top, so more people can use this

@dejavu3655

3 жыл бұрын

@@WynnStrength Great idea! Just to add one interesting fact. The flip down safeties and spotter arms come with 1 inch holes throughout with the 5/8 pin for the 4000 rack. The rest of the rack has 5/8 holes throughout. I think this is cool because you now have the best of both worlds. I can use some of the 5000 attachments such as the utility horns and leg rollers on the 4000.

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

@@dejavu3655 Another PR4000/5000 hack! Brilliant!

Great video. This has helped me a lot. I’ll be buying one of these 2 racks in the next couple months and it answered the details I had questions with.

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful! Thanks for the positive feedback!

I have a Rep Fitness PR4000, been using it for over two years now. Great rack, no regrets buying it, I have it customized with the high/low pulley and 30 inch depth. Thanks for the review! 👊

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

Nice review. Do you know if the Titan adjustable lever arms fit the PR-4000?

Great video bro! Leaning toward the PR4000

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support! Yeah, the PR4000, feels like the winner by a slight margin

Do u know if the titan 3x3 attachments will fit the rep fitness pr5000 3x3? I am selling my selectorized titan lat pull down and titan foldable 3x3 rack to get pr5000 with selectorized lat pull down attachment. I have many titan x-3 rack attachments that I would like keep (5/8") however I would have to buy thoese adapters to make my 5/8" to 1" I think it will be cheaper than buying them again for the pr5000.

Wynn, thanks for your review of the 4000 and 5000. In the 1st part of your video you mentioned you have a Titan T-3. I’ve been researching for about 3 months now, reading and watching numerous videos like yours trying to to determine what’s going to suit my needs. I’m torn between Rogue, REP and Titan. I have all the weights I need and an adjustable squat rack that has an adjustable height for squats as well as bench press. However, I’m ready to upgrade my home gym. I’m in my mid 60’s so I won’t be doing anything extremely heavy so the 4000 will probably be good for me. I do want the height on a rack so when I’m doing pull ups I don’t want my feet to touch the ground so the 93” will be good. Also, I’m not going to be bolting the rack down. Do you think by adding the uprights to the rear for plate storage making it a 6 leg rack would make it stable enough without adding the front feet extensions? Lastly, if I were to get the 4000, I’d like to have an easy release pin adjustable pull up bar that could easily be moved up and down the uprights. I prefer this to be able to do body weight exercises and this would be a deal breaker for me. Titan and Rogue have them and also have a “attachable child’s pull up bar” that is strong enough for an adult. I’m wondering if one of those might work on the REP 4000. I’d appreciate anyone who can answer my concerns.

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

- I'd lean more towards Rep or Titan for the racks. Titan's come a long way since I bought mine, and isn't as 'cheap' as it once was (The current T-3 doesn't include a couple of accessories it used to). If you haven't yet, check out the Titan X-3 rack, might be a contender vs the PR4000? - I don't think you can go wrong with each one, but Titan & Rogue currently have a lot more accessories available. I'm not sure if 3x3 accessories from TItan/Rogue are compatible with Rep Racks - may be worth a question to their customer service. - Just make sure whichever rack you choose, all the accessories you need for your workout are compatible. - Without any weight posts, the T3 with only 4 posts worked for strict chinups, I tried doing kipping pullups and swining leg raise and was able to raise the legs off the ground. - The only problem you'll see without bolting the rack down is the feet will shift around over time (every time you re-rack a barbell), just mark the floor where the feet are square and adjust back every 6 months or so - I wouldn't have any safety/stability concerns if you're making it a 6 post 3x3 rack setup. Especially if you're doing all your lifts inside the main rack, and even if you'll be lifting in the front, you'd have to be resting at least the weight of the rack on the safeties for it to become a tipping concern - As for the adjustable pull up bar, I'm not sure if that's cross compatible with the Rep, and if they don't make one, might have to stick to Rogue or Rep. Hope that helps! Let me know if I left anything out

@tobydavis5673

2 жыл бұрын

@@WynnStrength Wynn, I appreciate the quick reply. You mention the Titan X-3, I’ve looked at that rack long and hard because it comes in a flat foot model, which may be more stable since I won’t be bolting down. You’re absolutely right in that Titan has come a long way. I’ve seen some poor reviews of just 3 or 4 years ago, but most all reviews recently have been very positive. They’ve definitely upped their game. Unfortunately the adjustable pull up bar doesn’t work with the X-3, but does work with the T-3. I do like the accessories that REP has to offer and with all they have it could get expensive. I know you state to stay away from Rogue, however, I have looked at their RML-390F which is a flat foot rack and appears to be one of their entry level racks. It’s cost is $895. just for the rack, but I’ll probably stay with Titan since the prices are somewhat lower than Rogue. Thanks again.

Which ones are easier and more convinient to use the Flip down safeties or the strap safeties for rep fitness rack? What are the advantages or disadvantages of using one vs the other one?? Also should I get pr4000 or PR 5000 vr2 rack? I can also get the same attachments the PR 5000v2 for the PR 4000 right?

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

For speed of changing the levels, I would say the flip down safeties are quicker, since you're only moving one bar. Flip down safety advantages: - long run sturdier - faster swapping - can attach band pegs or other accessories to the sides Flip down safety dis-advantages: - can be harder on the barbell - rack pulls, there'll be more bounce as you set the barbell down - bulkier if space is an issue Strap safety advantages: - can set each end at a different height so the barbell rolls away from you - easier on the barbell - better for rack pulls Strap safety dis-advantages: - more finicky to change height - more points of failure - shorter lifespan - can be harder to get the right safety height during bench press I don't believe the accessories are cross compatible between the 2 racks Tough decision as to which one to get, comes down to budget, space requirements and aesthetic preferences.

Great video

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Did your PR4000 come with locking washers to use against the bolt. I just see standard washers with mine. I know the PR5000 instruction video uses locking washers.

They make longer j cups for the 5000 now so you can get a different set of jcups and still have 1in spacing on the 5000 if west side spacing is important to you

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

Oh. Didn’t know that. That’s awesome! Thanks for the info

@dejavu3655

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it’s a standard lowered j-cup and not a sandwiched j-cup to protect your bar from metal to metal contact. It’s also an additional thing to buy on top of the sandwiched j-cups if you plan to go that route.

@jerseyjim9092

Жыл бұрын

Longer j cups don't help with safety placement.

@carps_gym

Жыл бұрын

@@jerseyjim9092 no but you could always place an extra stall mat or something underneath your bench and have 1/2in or 3/4in increments then as well

@carps_gym

Жыл бұрын

@@dejavu3655 no but you could always place an extra stall mat or something underneath your bench and have 1/2in or 3/4in increments then as well. Most gym have some of that around from scrap pieces from setting up there gym, or for doing things like deficit deadlifts

I don't know if you have answers to this questions but I am planning to buy the REP PR 4000 or 5000 Rack only and purchase dip or all other accessories from Rogue. So my question is Does Rogue Monster Lite accessories fit PR 4000 and Monster fits PR 5000? Great comparison BTW!

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

I found this pretty in depth list of all the different accessories and their cross compatabilty between other brands racks. It does have the PR4/5000 and I think you're right, the Monster lite works with PR4000 for the most part, and the Monster works with 5000. It looks like there's a slight difference in dimensions. www.tworepcave.com/3006/power-rack-attachments-compatibility-master-list/ Thanks for the feedback!

Nice overview. I have the PR4k but recommend going with a 5k. The fully numbered holes and 1 inch hardware are worth it. Westside hole spacing isn’t that useful, especially with safety straps that already allow fine tuned adjustments. Cheaper is better yes but $250 more isn’t much in the grand scheme of home gym expenses.

@applejm3370

3 жыл бұрын

im guessing u didnt see the rep safety straps weld fail videos yet...

@sadisticbutcher

3 жыл бұрын

@@applejm3370 I did, I’m going with monster lite straps

@faithfitnessandfatherhood

3 жыл бұрын

The biggest price difference is in the fact that all of the accessories are more expensive. My PR4000 is pretty decked out, so I probably would have spent closer to $1000 more on the 5000 by getting the same accessories. And I love my Westside hole spacing.

@dejavu3655

3 жыл бұрын

@@applejm3370 There is a recall on the safety straps. They are sending me new brackets and did right by including $100 for the inconvenience. I think they do a great job listening and interacting with their customers especially on IG.

I would buy neither. 41 inches inside width is too narrow for bench press and uncomfortable for squats. This is based on someone with an elbow span of 41 inches.

The flag and the accent...Are you in Australia?? How are you getting access to the juicy Rep goodness? Us aussies get a raw deal with gym equipment :( Rogue Australia has 1/4 the range, no Rep, no Sorinex, no Titan...

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

Not anymore, based out of California nowadays. We're very spoilt with the equipment selection here. Someone mentioned to me a while ago Verve company, which has a bench that looks pretty much identical to the Rep Fitness bench. www.vervefitness.com.au/collections/adjustable-fid-benches/products/verve-commercial-fid-bench Not sure how their Aus pricing compares with the other manufacturers, but a bunch of their equipment offerings look extremely similar to the other Rep Fitness equipment...

@bradrogers3881

3 жыл бұрын

@@WynnStrength Yeah I've seen Verve :) Looks very like Rogue RML series. I would LOVE the PR-5000V2 or Rogue Monster line but no chance. I got a quote from Rogue and the cost of shipping was more than the rack haha. Thank you very much for the response though and the link to verve :-) you create great quality content!

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

That's a crazy extra cost and I bet the conversion rate doesn't help. You'd think with the high demand Rogue would want to setup some distributors in Australia to handle some of that in a more streamlined model... but one can hope... or somehow gather a bunch of people to split the shipping costs. I appreciate the positive feedback!

u will buy neither... cuz rep wont have it in stock for a long time

@WynnStrength

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 I mean, if I save a dollar a day, by the time I have enough money, they should be in stock

Rep didn't divide up these product lines very well in my opinion. 5000 series seems pretty useless.

@WynnStrength

2 жыл бұрын

Great point, would have been a clearer divide if they did a 2x3 and a 3x3

@bikelikemad2007

Жыл бұрын

No there are large differences. They just need to show it better on their website.

@jerseyjim9092

Жыл бұрын

For those who want the heavier pins, all holes numbered, holes on all sides of the posts, and more attachment options, it's not useless.