REMEMBER the BA 777 crashing at Heathrow?!
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Do you remember the crash landing of BA flight 38 at Heathrow airport?
The British Airways 777 was a scheduled flight from Beijing to London. In January 2008, the flight crashed just short of the runway while landing at Heathrow after both engines lacked in power two miles before touchdown. Fortunately, everyone made it out safely.
Ice crystals in the jet fuel clogged the fuel-oil heat exchanger, which sits prior to each engine. The restricted fuel flow led to a reduced power output, resulting in a loss of speed and altitude. The pilots reacted perfectly and retracted flaps by one step to reduce the drag and increase the speed again. Still, the plane landed 890 feet short of the runway.
This accident led to all 777 fitted with Rolls Royce engines having to modify their Fuel-oil heat exchangers.
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I remember the pilot being blamed by many people. The pilots did a great job. Shame on the media and others.
@peeperleviathan2839
Жыл бұрын
What were the pilots being blamed for
@LAGoodz
Жыл бұрын
The Captain took the flack, whilst Rolls-Royce were the #1 root cause, but nobody mentions that. Can anyone name someone at RR who owned responsibility? Shame on BA how they treated him. His book gives me chills what he went through, poor bloke.
@thecomedypilot5894
Жыл бұрын
@@LAGoodz This is what society does, they just blame the pilots because it’s easier than blaming the corporations and having to actually spend millions of dollars to fix something. The majority of aircraft accidents are cited as “pilot error” yet, no one seems to talk about the fact that the pilot error wouldn’t have happened if the plane itself didn’t break in the first place. That’s why so many accidents happen, they’re too busy blaming the pilots because it’s easier than fixing the airplane itself. NTSB is a joke.
@DrakeDHDerr
Жыл бұрын
He should have put the flaps to 15 or lower
@LAGoodz
Жыл бұрын
@@DrakeDHDerr Stop being silly. The PF luckily raised the flaps a notch to extend the glide with only seconds to decide.
Fun fact: after test pilots reproduced the flight in the sim, none of them managed to glide further than the pilots did that day.
@_aspenn0
8 ай бұрын
proves they r good pilots
@leesh342
8 ай бұрын
@@_aspenn0*best
@_aspenn0
8 ай бұрын
@@leesh342 truee
@dWFnZWVr
4 ай бұрын
@@_aspenn0 BA are renowned for having some of the best. Many are former RAF.
@EnderEnergy
3 ай бұрын
What about Aiir Canada 143?
I do remember that day just like yesterday. We were on Qatar Airways right behind BA scheduled landing in Heathrow airport. We flew over London more than an hr and half before landing in Gatwick airport. We lost our connecting flight to Chicago. We flew out of London the following morning. What day! Thanks for sharing this with us. Best.
@PianoKwanMan
Жыл бұрын
It's over if those occasions where it's annoying you miss a connection, but you waive it
@misahohimeima1981
7 ай бұрын
Qatari 011, the chaos in the LATCC not 20 seconds after 38 hit the ground is something unlike anything I've ever seen before, within 2 minutes all the reserve staff were off break and 4 standby stations opened to deal with the mess moving out from Heathrow 😅. One hell of a video if I can find it again 😂
It's incredibly astonishing that there was not a single fatality. Just injuries! W to the pilots.on the deck
Glad everyone made it out safely. Watch a lot of plane crash documentaries and it's the first time hearing of this.
I was on that flight, luckily I myself and everyone else made it out with a few injuries. Hey, anyway landing you can walk away from us a good landing😅
@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor
Жыл бұрын
Did you get your luggage back?
@matiasjacobsen2647
Жыл бұрын
I guess that's the least of their concerns, but it would have been nice
@Yanited_Stats
Жыл бұрын
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingForBro doesn’t know how evacuation work
@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor
Жыл бұрын
@@Yanited_Stats yeah I know in an evacuation you are told to leave your luggage behind, that's why I'm asking if later he had it handed back to him
@Yanited_Stats
Жыл бұрын
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor Then you should know they won’t
It is super interesting how everything in a plane has been optimized after something previously failed
@obviousness8113
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I work in blood banking and we do the same. It's a never-ending process of continual improvement.
@phillyphakename1255
Жыл бұрын
There's many parts of society that could learn from doing the same, embracing change for the better when something tragic happens or when new information is learned.
That BA 777 without the blue bottom looks so cursed
@eduardgenardandalis1437
Жыл бұрын
Looks reminiscent on BA Concorde & BA Openskies
When you put the subtitles on it say "Unfortunately everyone made it out safely" 🤣
Great work by Pilots, Mentour Pilot explained it nicely as well
@HxTurtle
Жыл бұрын
the incidence also got its own mayday episode; which was before them all (and explain in very great detail, what led to this occurrence.)
Hey Captain Joe, always a great channel, thank you. This recent fad of “shorts” don’t do you justice. Your in-depth full lengths are a million times better and appeal to followers with a slightly longer attention span! 😉.
Thanks for the support captain I'm nearly 10 now and remember watching your vids when I was 4
The planes captain Peter Burkill, wrote a brilliant book “30 seconds to impact“
That image of the 777 without the blue belly looked so good aha!
Thanks a lot for your information 🙏🏻
l love these videos with happy ending. Great professionals with self_control in the face of all possible unknown adversities .
Yes, I remember this crash. I remember seeing it on the news and I remember it took what seemed like a long time before the cause of the crash was determined.
Yes, yes I do....impressive fuselage strength!
Ex Heathrow firefighter here. Green watch were on that day and my watch (Red) were on nights, on change over we took over babysitting duties of the accident site. Such a surreal site
This cockpit was sold to a flight simulator manufacturer and majority of the parts were reused!
Very interesting However it brought about updating the plane to overcome the problem Thanks for this information Captain
I luv joes hand gestures
Always entertained. Thank you, sir.
Unscheduled flights never crash
I remember it very well. I was working at LHR at the time. Amazing to see. Fantastic flying by BA pilots.
Very informative.
I remember watching this documentary on mayday Mayday TV series
Your videos are great, but please increase the volume of your voice and decrease the volume of the music. It is difficult to hear you clearly.
The captain of that plane is actually my dad, his name is Peter Burkill, and even when he saved people on that plane my dad lost his job and got heavily criticised by the press. It was only till years later when they uncovered the truth about the crash and that my dad saved everyone. Even after doing his job perfectly he never got the recognition he deserved, it’s actually quite sad
That's fascinating! Why was retracting the flaps just one step the right thing to do, instead of retracting the flaps completely? Is it because of the link between having enough wing surface for keeping enough lift and reducing it just enough to increase the speed? A perfect balance between both parameters so to speak? Genuinely intrigued by it 🤔
@ajidamarjati
Жыл бұрын
Well, if you retract the flaps all the way up at such a low air speed, the aircraft would experience aerodynamic stall. Remember this happen during final approach - landing stage. I believe the airspeed is only about 145-150 kt.
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
Reducing the flaps to 20 actually increases the elevator response. Reducing drag is only a side effect.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna nonsense. The loss of drag was the main effect. Control response was incidental.
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 - 777 FCTM states: “…calls for a flaps 20 approach and landing rather than a normal landing configuration as in other models. Testing and analysis shows that elevator authority at flap 30 approach speeds is not adequate to enable crew to successfully flare the airplane for landing in the unlikely event both engines failed in the landing configuration.”
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna irrelevant to this case. Improved lift/drag was at stake here.
How close was it to being economically repairable?
THIS SHOWS UP WHEN IM GOING ON A 777 TMRW
The event occurred seven days before my birth.
@Osbar_
Жыл бұрын
So your 15 :b
can you tell the episode name on air crash investigation please... so people can watch full video..
Lower Music volume to one third.
Why all the 777 hate lately? Are you flying Airbus now?
Wow I never knew there was video footage of this
@skythenoob7848
Жыл бұрын
It was an animation
@p53k
Жыл бұрын
@@skythenoob7848 The last clip for sure but the 1st, which is low res, seems to be real - but if so i wonder from where was it taken?
@skythenoob7848
Жыл бұрын
@@p53k the first clip where it showed the crash, it ain't real. It's an animation.
The crash was the inspiration for Ice Ice Baby!! 💯
Damn, the engines caught lacking
Actually, reducing the flaps from 30 to 20 increases the elevator response and authority and this is why many non-normal landings on the 777 use flap 20.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
But mainly it improved the glide distance.
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 - 777 FCTM states: “…calls for a flaps 20 approach and landing rather than a normal landing configuration as in other models. Testing and analysis shows that elevator authority at flap 30 approach speeds is not adequate to enable crew to successfully flare the airplane for landing in the unlikely event both engines failed in the landing configuration.”
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna so what. Irrelevant. Lift drag was the benefit here.
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 - except that the pilot talks about this in the case study. He showed amazing system knowledge and airmanship at a time of extreme stress.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna I know Pete. He’s stated privately and publicly that he was thinking of glide performance.
My brother in law was on this flight!
Feliz domingo de Páscoa capitain Joe 😊
I remember hearing about this
You really good at aircrash investigation. Why don't you make some video about aircrash
Yes,I remember
Cool that is a beautiful plane ❤😊
Remember it very well..
It's 4414 nautical miles from Beijing (PEK) to LHR 8:40h of flying. And the runway was missed by a few hundred meters .....
The pilot lacked some extra feet like this video lacked some extra seconds
What is the song playing in the background?
"Do you remember the crash by the Wright brothers in 1903?" 🤔
Lindo meu amor ❤
Aloha Capt Joe ❤
I thought that fuel got froze and the engine shut down due to freezing temperatures over Siberia
Amazing action from the pilots!! Sadly overlooked by quite a few
No but I do remember the time you called yourself captain joe but you weren’t a captain
Retracting flaps won’t make the aircraft sinks in low speed?
It is always about Boeings😮😮😮
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Guys, hear me out… imagine the Boeing Airforce, “BA”
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Funfact: not a single british person died in a crash
Therefore I don't really understand why you do a powered final for that reason. If you have engine failures you just continue like normal, witch seems to me the biggest risk, when having close to 0 winds.
Where is the 777 now
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If I don’t remember, it didn’t happen.
Was anybody ok??
RR has had so many teething issues.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
No more than any major new engine.
Guys he his taking about G-YMMM
If it's Boeing.....
Why do pilots gets blamed ?, they are literally making their best to make sure your safe.
So had they retracted flaps 1 step extra it probably given the pilots the extra 900 feet needed
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
No. They’d have stalled.
Me realising: mh370 and this was from Beijing or to it🧐🧐🧐🧐🤨🤨
Captain Joe, lets have some good news, the last few posts have been a tad scarry
@adamalfred915
Жыл бұрын
But keep up the good work, excellent channel.
I have no idea what you are saying, because of the so F*ing LOUD background music
There’s also another story that there was a lot of water in the fuel that was from a contaminated source in China. The reason nothing was said was political as the U.K. was having trade talks at the time with them.
There is a dark side to this story . The British tabloid’s crucified he Captain saying he froze & let the First Officer fly the plane. It was a disgusting situation . He bought the flap in not the FO. The media absolutely crucified him and his family & he got no support from BA management. The media were not interested in the fact he was operating excellent Crew Resource Management just that his hands were not on the control column. The media went after his wife too harassing her
It cut of
Why tf does British Airways have a flight from Beijing to London if they are enemies
It would seem every aviation accident makes aviation safer.
Interesting question; How do pilots go to the bathroom while locked up in the cockpit for so long?
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
The leave the cockpit and use the bathroom.
@bentley8937
Жыл бұрын
They aren’t locked. They either get a door or a curtain to which they can leave. If you didn’t know this. Both the pilots and co pilots controls are linked. If you turn one way. The other control follows. Just like how a pilot will sleep. The co pilot takes over, co pilot sleeps. Pilot takes over
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@bentley8937 almost all wrong. 1. The door is locked ti stop intruders. No curtain. But the can open it ti use the toilet. 2. The controls are only interconnected on some aircraft. Not all. 3. On king range flights, spare pilots are carried so one it two can go and sleep in the bunks.
@bentley8937
Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 Imagine being a pilot and having to walk all the way to the back to get to the bunks (Yes I mean more standard aircraft unlike heavier Boeings where it’s at the front)
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@bentley8937 the pilot bunks on every aircraft I’ve had any experience with are at the front. I’m not aware of any aircraft with rear pilot bunks. This helps minimise the return time in the event of an emergency. That said, the additional inconvenience/risk of a bunk at the rear would be only marginal.
are you a first officer
No matter what that plane they showed at the begining is not british WHERES DA BLUE AT THE BELLY
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perfect,,, the shape of design,, nothing flat in universe,, you shouldnot make fuel entrance flat surface,, line surface has no ending,, so represence creator, your design must not assume the infinite roles of creator.
Don't believe everything a co-pilot who calls himself a "Captain" tells you...... The ONLY B777 with RR engines to have this problem...... None of the pilots flew the aircraft. ......the FO just disconnected the autopilot just before the ground. The autopilot just kept raising the aircraft nose to maintain the glideslope. ....... That is not a "perfect" pilot reaction.....Co-pilot JOE... Total rubbish reaction from the Captain. ....who then told the Tower to evacuate! !!!
The pilots did a phenomenal job that day, that said it's still debatable that flaps retraction made any difference..
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
Most flight control failures in the 777 require a flap 20 landing as it gives better elevator authority and response. Reducing flaps was a genius move by the pilots.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
It’s not debatable at all. It was calculated by Boeing to have made the difference between hitting the peri fence and not.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna stop your BS.
@EdOeuna
Жыл бұрын
@@peteconrad2077 - 777 FCTM states: “…calls for a flaps 20 approach and landing rather than a normal landing configuration as in other models. Testing and analysis shows that elevator authority at flap 30 approach speeds is not adequate to enable crew to successfully flare the airplane for landing in the unlikely event both engines failed in the landing configuration.”
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
@@EdOeuna but that’s utterly irrelevant to this case. There was precisely zero benefit from improved control. There was a lot of benefit from improved lift/drag ratio. You’re clearly not a pilot having to be told basics like this.
This video cuts off mid-word.
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Remind me not to fly British lol
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
They saved the passengers you fool.
Royals Royce very much seems to have created its own problems I have to say.
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
Because they made one mistake. They’re one of the big three. What problems.
4 engines and it would have landed safely.
@LawpickingLocksmith
Жыл бұрын
No Way! Nothing to do with engines but a 4km tarmac could have helped!
@peeperleviathan2839
Жыл бұрын
A340
@peteconrad2077
Жыл бұрын
No it wouldn’t. If they’d had 8 engines they’d have still lost them all.
Now we have GE90😁
im early
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I just saw the video today on the Smithsonian channel, Called Air Diasters...
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