You know what would be impressive? If he looked through their application and then made a determination as to whether they got accepted or not. Very easy to look for what she is missing when you already know she did not get accepted.

@nadejdagodoroja8689

3 жыл бұрын

this!!!

@brandoutmusic

3 жыл бұрын

hindsight bias is real! it's very easy to see what POSSIBLE reasons could have kept someone out of medical school, but there are PLENTY of students who for example use "basic job descriptions" and get in. it's very hard with social media advisors to see which of their advice is good or not. what if there's diff things about the writing that adcoms didn't like? its questions like that that make it hard for us premeds to see which advice online is "good".

@Thatguy-mo8jd

3 жыл бұрын

So true it would expose how random it is because he would have probably have a 50/50 chance of getting it right

@TheDeezy250

2 жыл бұрын

He isnt doing this to be impressive. He isnt do this for himself. He's doing this to help students applying, or those who have already applied. What you're suggesting would do nothing for the students watching this

@brandoutmusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDeezy250 Yeah I agree, his attentions are nothing but good for sure! I think the main issue is that he may not truly know *THIS* is the reason you didn't get in. For example he may say, "you need to tell more stories in your descriptions," but the adcom really said we think that your PS or your interview weren't really good. He does have experience and has talked with ppl don't get me wrong, but each adcom looks for something diff and I just don't think "tell more stories" can answer all the students' problems.

This student is incredible. She’s going to make a great doctor. Her humility is inspiring.

GPA 3.9 and 520 MCAT and rejected 38 med schools? There is only really ONLY ONE MAJOR REASON: she's international applicant. AAMC states that 8% of international students that applied got in compared to 40% of US residents. Yes, her statement and activities could have been better, but if she were a permanent resident, at least ONE of the 38 schools would have accepted her. PERIOD. Dr. Gray's analysis is usually excellent, but in this case, he should have emphasized the #1 reason why she got rejected: she's an international applicant. Everything else is just a distraction. It's a shame a US med school didn't take her. She'd probably end up living in the USA anyway.

@funvidsincorporated

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@bouchser000

Жыл бұрын

@@funvidsincorporated In general its's very challenging getting into medical school here in the USA. Her personal statement was misleading, and needed to be much better, it did not show why she personally wanted to become a physician. I am glad they are weeding out applicants that cannot explain why they personally want to become a doctor. Lots of doctors out their pursue medicine for the wrong reasons.

@thirstyfajita4115

Жыл бұрын

While thats true it doesnt really help, international students do get in with worse scores so there are things she can do better. She can’t change where shes from.

@jaredwilliams6853

Жыл бұрын

@@bouchser000agreed sadly if she was my doctor I would assume it was familial pressure. International, both parents are doctors, it doesn’t seem genuine she also didn’t have much clinical experience and stories where she displayed a passion for treating patients. Seems more like academic achievements.

@daashikii

Жыл бұрын

as well as both of her parents being physicians

When you take a look at these vids you can see how messed up American medical school system is

@theindianstallion6134

3 жыл бұрын

what do you mean?

@CRFSUIGENERIS

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@adityajaiswal4822

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man can u pls tell me how indian students can apply in US medical schools

@adityajaiswal4822

3 жыл бұрын

but it is still better than india

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

what does that even mean?

TLDR; rejected because of no shadowing or clinical experience, didn't tell enough stories in the descriptions, the personal statement was poorly written, and she applied to not-so-international-student-friendly schools.

Thanks to the students for putting her app for us to learn! Much appreciated!

That was extremely helpful. As an international student applying this cycle with similar stats, your advice really relieves a lot of anxiety :) Thank you for making this series !!

@JinaMukherjeeF

3 ай бұрын

did u get inn

Dr Gray needs to make a video showing exactly how a student successfully communicated their desire to be a doctor instead of just making the comment they failed to do that. I realize everyone's personal story is different but to highlight one may make the difference to the applicant

@JoeG2324

9 ай бұрын

he is just pulling stuff out of his ass at this point. there was no reason for that student to be rejected

@glaucusyellow

28 күн бұрын

Welcome to this channel mate 😂

Being an international student was her biggest issue.

@SYD77SYED4

3 жыл бұрын

I mean what can she do about that?

@sohyangworld1544

3 жыл бұрын

@@SYD77SYED4 exactly.

@alphaspartan

3 жыл бұрын

How is she considered international when she attended Berkeley for 4 years. 🤔

@alphaspartan

3 жыл бұрын

@@SYD77SYED4 I guess move to the USA and live there for one year to get residency status?

@NT-us7fp

3 жыл бұрын

@@alphaspartan anyone who isnt a citizen or green card holder is an international student

I just finished watching this video. I swear this girl better be accepted to the school of her dreams. It is clear she has worked hard and wants to help patients. I wish her the absolute best

This system is extremely dramatic. The student has perfect academic credentials, stellar MCAT score, excellent extracurricular profile. Open more medical schools and let them in. The healthcare system is already deficient and suffering from a lot of issues. America will be 125 thousand physicians short by 2034 and 1 in 4 doctors are leaving medicine in the U.S and they're still looking if the applicant showed feelings when he/she was five years old and ate a cookie! Plus those criminals are charging students with very high tuition and it's increasing every single year! Such videos are very discouraging to many applicants who are watching this channel. I see it's being very dramatic!

@bouchser000

Жыл бұрын

Okay, but did she explain or show why personally wanting to become a physician in her personal statement?

Something important people need to realize is she was an INTERNATIONAL APPLICANT. Yes, she probably would have gotten a seat if she was a US citizen with ties to in state schools, but life is tough for international applicants-especially one that did not fully articulate her story.

Stuff like this just goes to show how subjective the process is. With everyone basically the same it all boils down to “does a decision maker like you?”

@mcbaggins12

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats. You’ve started the transition into adulthood realizing that life isn’t fair and humans are subjective, biased, imperfect creatures

@strategic1710

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcbaggins12 my transition to adulthood was a while ago actually

Thank you for including so many international student videos!! It has really helped me!

My application is a skeleton compared to hers

@theindianstallion6134

3 жыл бұрын

All you need is great stories bro 😎 thousands of hours that are described poorly is the same as 10 hours written mediocre

@alexheng3322

2 жыл бұрын

Poorly written app top to bottom, do not aspire to that. I do not think she had good advisors or editors. She needs to fire them all. She relied on her stats way too much to open doors. She can fix it though and the gap year can add good clinical jobs like med assistant, EMT, etc, so she can have better things to reflect on.

Being an int’l student makes things much tougher. Often these students don’t have funds for med school and they often can’t get loans.

She should be accepted. Our system is kinda sad tbh, she's very well-spoken and clearly has the smarts/experiences needed (and she went to Berkeley! cmon...)

@Aricimfan

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed her stats were amazing. I think schools focus more on the qualities that make a good doctor rather than just hitting the numbers at least from what I’ve understoood so far

@Aricimfan

3 жыл бұрын

Obviously both matter and stats are huge but I think maybe not a guarantee

@samk2001

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aricimfan I find that quite silly because at the end of the day all these accepted med students will be pitted against each other for residencies purely based off academic ability and nothing more. At the end of the day Step 1, and from now on Step 2CK, determine what residency you will get. These med schools are just delaying the inevitable. Just use MCAT, GPA and an interview or two. The way med school is in this country is not only exhausting but long for no discernible reason. At the end of the day it causes burn out for physicians with even the best of intentions. In most countries med school and bachelors is combined into a 5-6 year long program. Don’t waste kids time through this ridiculous pre-med process of 4 years with no guarantee of acceptance into med school. The additional gap years and 4 years of med school don’t do anything but harbor further resentment in future physicians along with a ever increasing student loan burden.

@wowwawa1

3 жыл бұрын

@@samk2001 GPA and MCAT solely don’t tell you if a persons going to be successful in medical school. The difference between a 3.7 and a 3.9 is often due to extra time and resources, perhaps the student with a 3.9 spent every day studying while the 3.7 took time to do a passion project or is a student athlete or started a club, all of which show important skills. Or perhaps the student with a 3.9 has friends that give him access to old exams and the answers to home work assignments? Same can be said about a 510 MCAT and 515. Both students are capable of the academic rigorous of medical school however are both able to be leaders? Can they both work well in teams, can they get along with their diverse classmates and eventually other health care professionals like nurses and techs? Are they culturally competent and respectful? Are they kind? Do they have good judgement skills? Good ethics judgement? What are their passions beyond finishing medical school? At a medical school interview, the Dean of admissions told us a story of a student with perfect stats dropping out of medical school because he didn’t like “waiting on people” and complained he hated small talk. Another school told us a story of a student who stole a laptop from a deceased patient and took it home to study with. There are important traits a good physician needs that can’t ever be analyzed through stats alone. Residency’s also look at if a student is involved in clubs and organizations, if they are leaders, how strong their letters of recommendation are which include social skills. Smartness/stats alone aren’t and never will be enough, there are plenty of genius people who can get 4.0 and 520s, doesn’t mean they’d be good doctors.

@cchan848

3 жыл бұрын

She is likely easily going to get in in India where she came from. Why take a seat away from other qualified U.S. residents?

Wow she has great stats, experience, and seems really like-able! Being an international applicant maybe didn’t help? Unfortunately, her app came across as kind of dry and lacked stories. She was directed by her pre-health advisor to write her activities like a resume/sales pitch... bummer. Her personal statement needed more reflection and to go a level deeper. EDIT: She also accidentally had a red flag in the first paragraph of her PS (delivering medical news without qualifications) and didn’t answer *why* she wants to be a doctor which is especially important for applicants with parents who are physicians. I really hope she gets in next year, she seems so qualified!

@Maddawg31415

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a tad concerning with the test results. I have some sympathy. I mean I’m a paramedic and have told patients “hey, you’re probably having a heart attack, you need to go to the PCI center asap,” but like Dr. Grey said, there’s training with it. I doubt she got that training too

The way she presents herself as an empathetic' kind' responsible' compassionate and most importantly passion to serve the communities being aware of the subjects. That day she will definitely be selected. Mark it! :)

So glad I'm not applying to med school now lol. My app was garbage compared to this one and I still got in lol

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

she’s an international student… might be a big factor

Idk if this girl even wants to be a physician based on her personal statement and her questions after the review. She was so confused as to what she had to write about rather than knowing what made her want to do this

Dr. Gray, when’s your book shipping if we ordered from Amazon?

another time burying the lead that the student is international. huge difference that should be more up front imo

@stefanias8554

3 жыл бұрын

international is literally the second word in the description...

@sohyangworld1544

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanias8554 Thats a huge reason why she didn't get in.

@asalahmuhammad2528

3 жыл бұрын

@@sohyangworld1544 I don't think International has anything to do with why she didn't get accepted in the medical schools. Her stats alone proved that she was competent enough to handle medical school. I believe it was the fact that there was no connection between what she was doing and her passion for being a physician. There were hardly any relatable stories, and so as a reader I don't think her passion was conveyed or her reason why she wanted to be a physician was conveyed. Her Jobs as a tutor and other jobs had no significant impact on her goals, just a description of the Job and that she has experience teaching. What I really think messed her up was her personal statement.

@claus1225

2 жыл бұрын

this channel is not going to mention that for obvious reason.

@claus1225

2 жыл бұрын

@@asalahmuhammad2528 lol. what planet do you live on? it's the way of the world. citizenship still matters.

2021-22 application squad WYA????

@msdbonnbelingon

3 жыл бұрын

ayyyyyyyyy

@Maddawg31415

3 жыл бұрын

Yeahhhhhh let’s do it!

@joeburreaux7953

3 жыл бұрын

2024

That is true working as Specimen processor, patients always call bc they want their results and er have to say that we cannot give any results, one question be specimens processor in the laboratory it can count as clinical experiences?

She got a chip on her shoulder with both parents being physicians. She's an international student. She got the stats but the last part of the video with the Q&A really shows that she doesn't have a solid answer of 'why do you want to be a physician?'.......It took me 4 years to find my answer and I hope she will find her reason one day too. Good luck to her!

So did she really exaggerate on her personal statement about giving a patient their HIV result??? Edit: thanks for the replies! I was just wondering since it did seem odd to me to get volunteers to deliver such life-changing news to patients like that. Thanks!

@edwina7895

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think she did. Outside of the US, rules are different. I once met a surgeon who assisted in a surgery in some country in Africa as a premed student. Funny enough that is what got him interested in medicine.

@DA-bb1jc

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I doubt the Berkeley Free Clinic would allow a student to give a test result like that. Probably exaggerated

@msmeez

3 жыл бұрын

I work as an HIV test counselor, and I can tell you that we actually do have volunteers get trained and deliver HIV rapid results to people. I have personally always felt a bit funny about it because I don't think a lot of volunteers really understand the gravity of what it is like to tell someone they have tested positive, but she definitely is not lying. The scenario she described 100% could have happened.

@joeburreaux7953

3 жыл бұрын

@@msmeez It still sounds unethical to me.

@msmeez

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeburreaux7953 It's a bit of a complex issue. Ideally of course it would always be a physician, nurse, or test counselor. Unfortunately the reality is that there aren't enough professionals to provide the man hours needed to test everyone who needs testing (and who should be tested). Furthermore, some of the hours we test are WILD (testing at sex clubs at midnight for example) and most paid professionals can't constantly hold those insane hours, so volunteers help fill them. Therefore these volunteer roles bridge the gap between testing available and testing needed. But I've definitely interacted with some pre-med volunteers who are in it for all the wrong reasons; they want a dramatic story to tell during their interviews. Definitely not saying that is true of this applicant-- she seemed to deeply care, maybe was just a bit unprepared. To be fair, the first time you get a preliminary positive result it is emotional, regardless of how many years you've been working. I got my first positive a year into the job; I still didn't feel ready in some ways.

this makes me not want to do med anymore like how much more qualified can you get for a seat ??

@Bejman13

3 жыл бұрын

Simply having a large MCAT score does not mean you are qualified. If you have a good personal statement and a will to become a doctor, then you qualified. Something this girl severely lacked.

@kathexis

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Dr. Gray posts these videos to discourage med school hopefuls like yourself - I think it's to highlight that stats (honestly!) are not going to get you in. A medical school is not going to admit you on stats alone. If that were the case, then everyone above a certain stat would be admitted (and the reverse case - everyone below would be rejected). The reality is that people with high stats and low stats get rejected. Oftentimes these high stat applicants don't know how to write a personal statement or discuss their activities. It's not a right to get into medical school just because you have certain grades or scores...

@rishabhsetty3109

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bejman13 I get that you have to be well rounded but gpa and mcat should be the main priority and what opens the doors. A decent personal statement which imo she has paired with her stats should be enough to at least get into at least one med school out of 38

@noflexzone2.055

3 жыл бұрын

@C B True, he does cherry pick a little bit - but the overall message still holds. You NEED to be able to write if you can't distinguish yourself from the crowd in other ways. Especially for the top schools - the reason why they are so hard is not only because you need to write an amazing personal statement, but you need great stats to back it up. Most applicants only find themselves able to do one or the other. So his advice is definitely applicable.

@ShinySephiroth1

3 жыл бұрын

@C B That's a very good way of looking at it

From the outside looking in, why would anyone want to go through this process for the chance to become a doctor? I get that we need to weed people out but it just seems so backward. It makes me wonder how many potential great physicians never materialize because of this process. No wonder there is a physician shortage.

@wl5721

2 жыл бұрын

Second to this. I don't understand why would they make this process even more cutthroat while there seem to be a physician shortage. There are ESL applicants from underserved areas who are unable to write or express themselves well, there are applicants from an affluent background who has the resource and were taught proper social norms (travel, events, etc.) since a child, or could afford application editing services. Talk about unfair advantage.

@redshark618

Жыл бұрын

We don't have a physician shortage. We have a physician maldistribution. No one wants to work in rural medicine.

TURNING UP THE HEAT RIGHT BEFORE THE 27th OKAY FFFFUUUUU-

@ashsmart6895

3 жыл бұрын

LETS GOOO

@Maddawg31415

3 жыл бұрын

Woooooh!

@bobbywhite5319

3 жыл бұрын

Assuming fetal position before the 27th

@rachelkavalakatt6400

3 жыл бұрын

whats on the 27th?

@shlorwhor19

3 жыл бұрын

@@rachelkavalakatt6400 you can start submitting AMCAS on the 27th!

Went to the same college as her! But dang my stats aren't as good as those lol! Go Bears!

@ShammahEmmanuelU

3 жыл бұрын

Mercer?

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

she’s an international student

You did a good job tearing down her application, but not much help in showing her how to repair it.

@nadejdagodoroja8689

3 жыл бұрын

this!!!

@user-li7gm7gv3v

2 жыл бұрын

I mean just do the opposite of the critiques and that’s how you repair it.

43:40 I love how he straight up tells her "That is the worst question you can ask."

As an old timer USIMG it seems/ could it be? given the known 2 tier system for residency, that the system for international applicants although they did US undergrad and can have stellar scores they are simply not desirable in the minds of those running the show. Perhaps due to funding they have a mandate to fill with non international first?

Would it be bad if I said something like, “I’ve always known I wanted to help people,” in my personal statement? I know it’s cliché, but for me it’s true.

@nacholifts

3 жыл бұрын

You can, you just have to elaborate on why you want to help people as a doctor and not something else.

@ellinor616

3 жыл бұрын

Not a med student and I´m not on any selection board or anything. I´m not even interested in going to med school, but from what I´ve seen from Dr. Gray, that´s not going to be enough. Why do you want to help people? As you say it´s a cliché statement, elaborate. Did something happen that made you want to help people? Just saying "I´ve always known I wanted to help people" is probably not gonna help a lot or go over very well, isn't that a doctor's job? Shouldn't all future doctors want to be doctors to help people? So elaborate.

@javierpalacios5207

3 жыл бұрын

Nurses help people, PA help people. You are gonna have to specify why you need to be a Doctor to help people.

@amill1387

3 жыл бұрын

Hell no you sound like every other canidate who wants to be a doctor

@koolkittykat04

3 жыл бұрын

@@amill1387 Gotcha. The good news is I figured out my personal statement. :)

Having good grades doesn’t mean that you have good social skills.

Ran a diverse organization of diverse people who had diverse viewpoints of varied diversity....that's literally all I read throughout most of her application.

@angelferreira1746

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a pretty sexy stack of badges on that uniform.

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

her trying to push diversity to stir away from how privilege she is

@kmp8563

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelferreira1746 one might say it's... Diverse

@kmp8563

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, looking through this application, I don't think they were wrong. My stats aren't as good as hers, but I know why I want to be a doctor, so hopefully I get in somewhere

Feel like Dr. Gray was a bit harsh at the end there. Speaking to colleagues and attending physicians who served in the admissions committee at my med school, adcoms are trying to gauge qualities they deem are important to succeed in medicine. Four such qualities are: industriousness, passion, compassion, and social justice. Stories and encounters in the experience descriptions and personal statement that touch upon these themes are always viewed favorably. Dr. Gray is correct in that it can be difficult to craft an authentic, cogent story and not be tempted to provide a sales pitch of several qualities at once in the personal statement. One may have many reasons to pursue medicine, but that doesn’t mean all of them should be stated/ highlighted. Having matched into a competitive residency recently, all of these themes remain relevant in the ERAS application for residency as well.

Towards the end, she still didn't understand that she needs to explain "Why do I want to be a doctor?" . She may be smart, but she seems like she's simply following in mommy and daddy's footsteps without any regards to what *her* reasons are.

My pre-health advisor also keeps telling me not to write stories in my activities :(

@bouchser000

Жыл бұрын

Ha.

I applied multiple times to med school - as they say in My Cousin Vinny, "for me, 6 times was the charm!" The issue I see in this applicant - in most applicants - is that I don't get a strong sense of why (or even if) she wants to go. And that may be because she doesn't - after all, it's hard to feign passion. In having read countless applications, I can say confidently that "standout applications" were exceedingly rare - likely because people are applying at 21 years of age - and truly, what have you done by 21? If you had childhood leukemia or were homeschooled while your family traveled the world on a sailboat, then those things will play in your favor- partly bc they just make you memorable,.and partly bc they may (let's hope) segue into some kind of wisdom you can parlay into answering a question. Go through your statement and cross-out anything someone else can say. And when you're at your interview? For God's sake, you've got to knock it out of the park! This particular applicant is, in my view, low-energy. I don't say this to be critical.- if someone had given me that feedback (any feedback!) I'd have thanked them. You simply have to find some enthusiasm - both in writing your application, and for your interview. And if you're not able to muster that? it may be worth questioning whether the enthusiasm just isn't there.

Nowadays the American’s medical school admission process completely sucks. Why does having parents who are doctors will automatically raise red flags, meaning it’s the parents not the student themself actually want to study medicine? Why can't doctors encourage their children to become doctors if their love their career? Why can't students simply say that there aren't so many fancy reasons; I simply want to be a doctor! At present, the process only urges these poor kids to rack their brains and make up “stories”. In the end, some stories might be fake in order to satisfy the stupid taste of admissions officials and eliminate many truly intelligent future doctors.

@OrganicDolphin

3 жыл бұрын

My friend told me that 60% of the entering class in his med school had at least one parent who was a doctor. It’s becoming a grandfathered profession, and that’s something they don’t want to happen.

@mooclearly9787

3 жыл бұрын

So when you work so hard trying to enter medical school, your kids or grandkids should be punished by not allowed to enter medical school as the return?

@Cheezehead35

3 жыл бұрын

It’s because kids like her sometimes only want to be doctors because that’s what their parents did and encouraged them to do. It seems like that was exactly the case with her since she really didn’t have a clear idea in her personal statement as to why she herself wanted to practice medicine. It’s easy to find a flaw like that in a doctors kids application

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they are trying to give opportunities to first generation kids?

I wish the legal community would take Dr. Gray's advice on the stupidity of buying into the US News' rankings. Its mostly a popularity and GPA/lsat stats contest but unfortunately since the legal profession is super behind-the-curve with social progression, the rankings play a vital role in where you're hired after graduating.

@amiah.a

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I am a pre law student watching pre med channels. We exist😂

me stress

Wait how is she international if she attended Berkeley? Can someone please explain?

@theindianstallion6134

3 жыл бұрын

doesn't matter where she attended if her permanent residence/home is abroad

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

@@theindianstallion6134 they are people who have been in this country since they are 3 and are not residents of the US

@mohamadhijazi9797

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiarragreen5913 really? Thats crazy because I came to the US when I was 1 year old so I was born outside the US. Would that mean I am not a resident?

@claus1225

2 жыл бұрын

citizenship or green card is not as easy as you think. dont take it for granted.

I think he wants his brand to be a very real perspective but it does not make sense to mock the attempt of the student.

@anthonyespinal9396

Ай бұрын

NO Hate at all, I actually adopt the critical mockery in my own head when I'm writing my works and activities.

we know that being being international does not help. however, the real deal breaker is that she's NOT a low-SES URM international, and she's comes off as rather privileged. there are cases of low-ses URM internationals who got into Harvard this year- very easy to find those people on SDN- with a 513 MCAT. There are also internationals who hail from sub-saharian Africa, or they're LGBQT+(not URM, but still...) from Muslim countries, who have rather mediocre stats compared to their classmates, but they were successful getting into Harvard this year. I am not cancelling the work and the experience of those internationals, but it seems that you must be international with something extra to be successful- and I am not referring to academics. After all, -and many people may disagree- adcoms have to fill quotas. A LatinX international with a 513 MCAT looks better in the school's class profile than an ORM and rather privileged international with a 520+. This is the game, and whether applicants agree or not about its fairness is inconsequential.

@kmp8563

3 жыл бұрын

What's LatinX?

@yourfuturedocburenbeiya

2 жыл бұрын

Quotas? Life isn't fair to begin with. Based on my experience, I'd rather come from "privilege" than to be a disadvantaged low SES minority in this process. You don't know their life story just to get to that point, just to get to a 513 MCAT when you only see the surface of the outcome. I can guarantee you that I can be in the lowest SES minority group and if I don't meet certain metrics, no med school ADCOMS gives a sh*t about what my struggles are, how stellar my essays, ECs, etc. and my motivations to pursue medicine. Research over time keeps showing that most who get in are from affluent families. I do agree that the game is rigged.

@gabrielpoujol3808

Жыл бұрын

What's the biggest clue she is privileged? Just curious

@redshark618

Жыл бұрын

@Gabriel Poujol Both parents are MD

@krishnancom

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielpoujol3808 Both parents are MDs in oil rich Kuwait which pays a lot more than the USA. Also she has domestic help; probably multiple. It's a privileged life there.

Applying next cycle may not change much. She will have to apply to the same schools and I doubt changing the PS will make dramatic difference if 1/38 schools showed interest. Many of these international students should apply to DOs.

@briannaolson4391

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why you would feel this way? The PS statement is a very very important aspect of the application. When you have 3000 applicants with similar stats and hours, what differentiates you and what gets you chosen is that you have clear reasons and passion for pursuing this career

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

not true…

Hope she got into “ a medical school.”!!

They knew you were rich & privilege when you applied to the top 38 schools as an international student.

@getitdone252

Жыл бұрын

How negative of you. If you don't have anything nice to say then keep your mouth shut.

those 38 schools missed out big....

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

did they? she is an international student afterall

@user-li7gm7gv3v

2 жыл бұрын

Listen to what you’re saying. If 38 schools all didn’t want her then clearly there’s something abundantly wrong with her application.

Bruh they were afraid that she is better then them

The crappy premed advisor might explain why Berkeley students have an uphill struggle to med programs and all look the same as her. All high gpa, MCAT, lots of research, hardly any clinical time…people, you are suppose to be smart and resourceful. Verify information from your advisors. Adcoms members are on you tube. Deans are out there and they talk. UCLA does so much better getting premeds into medical schools but it is easier when you have a medical center on campus with everything that provides for students in the form of opportunities.

How can she afford to apply to that many schools... again? That's so much money!

@pieceofheart5618

3 жыл бұрын

Her parents are doctors, she is a international student studying at Berkeley. She came from a rich family that’s why she can afford it. This is not diminishing her hard work. She is clearly very smart and can carry herself well, her international status hurt her unfortunately

@kyoukan91

3 жыл бұрын

@@pieceofheart5618 She's also massively privileged and it's pretty clear that gave her a huge leg up on other applicants. Medical schools are starting to shy away from the elitist gatekeeping.

I wonder if the fact shes clearly privelaged made it so that even though her ECs are decent in a vacuum, they expected more from her.

@thirstyfajita4115

3 жыл бұрын

Also I didn't notice any paid experience. This person has literally never worked a job in her life.

@Anonymous-mx4hz

Жыл бұрын

@@thirstyfajita4115 internationals aren’t allowed to work

@thirstyfajita4115

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-mx4hz what?? Thats just not true😂

@thirstyfajita4115

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-mx4hz i had plenty of friends who were international studrnts that worked both on and off campus, albeit mainly on.

Man that sucks. Luckily I went to med school in europe after highschool and just did the usmle. I have colleugues in residency from my school as well. US education is a joke.

@hedieh1492

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that harder?I mean USMLE

please can you do a video that how can indian students apply for mbbs in usa universities after high school

@adityajaiswal4822

3 жыл бұрын

@@ytsamurai1962 I know how to apply just asked for more specefics

Way to blow up your Mom's spot and tell the world she (rightfully) assisted someone post-abortion in a country where doing so is patently illegal. Also calling them "our domestic help" is a whole bag of YIKES. I'm from also from a country where hired domestic help is the norm but referring to her as such is not only rude, but a clear identifier of WHO SHE IS. Even though you are not bound by HIPAA in this situation, this was not written about in good taste. If you were really motivated to write about that experience, you could've talked about "Farah" from your community and how her experience and your assistance (if any) impacted you. Anyone who knows you and your family, even peripherally, now knows that your Mother did something illegal while jeopardizing her medical license and safety to do so and WHO she did it for. If my kid snitched on me like that, to get into med school no less, we'd be having some words...

@xniks101x

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think she was “blowing up her mom’s spot” as much as admiring her for her sacrifice. It’s not like the adcom reading it is going to report her mom. I agree though she definitely shouldn’t have referred to the maid as “the help.” But I’m not going to attribute malice to what could easily be ignorance, the term she used probably translates into the politically correct term in her native tongue.

We need docotor this situation pandemic all students medical college addmison all students medical college and remove MCAT in this situation pandemic

@tiarragreen5913

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Does anyone disagree with using stories for activities? When someone uses a story, I can't help but feel they actually didn't accomplish anything meaningful in their activity, and so they're just using a story to focus on how the activity impacted them, since they made no impact.

@josephsiprut7815

3 жыл бұрын

Explain to me how a basic resume description for an EMT conveys personal meaning and impact.

@kansasmypie6466

3 жыл бұрын

​@@josephsiprut7815 Yeah, maybe it's best to tell a story if the EMT didn't make any impact beyond their basic job description and was entirely replaceable.

@Aricimfan

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s because it tells a lot about what you value and who you are as a person. I think activities are meant to help you grow as a person not always make you impact the world in a huge way at the end of the day we are students also 😅 not saying we can’t make an impact but it’s a two way street. As far as using stories I think it’s tricky because you definitely want to use something that was valuable to you. And this helps schools see that you did it because it’s something you wanted to not to check a box . Just a thought not for sure but it could be a way for them to see the difference

@kansasmypie6466

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Aricimfan Thanks. I like how you put it.

@vivianleenet

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a TMDSAS applicant who *doesn't* get to tell stories on their app (300 characters each). At first I thought it would be a relief - now I'm realizing that it's kind of scary that adcoms are going to judge my activities section solely on job titles and company names. We all have the same stuff- scribing, shadowing, hospital volunteering, dean's list, club president... there's really no way to stand out. I think the story approach is a great way for folks to stand out amongst the sea of "check the box" activities we have to do for this process.

520 and 3.85 applicant here. Very worried this might be me:/

I don’t think that she want to be a doctor after red all of that and listen you speak with her

@marvelousscript95

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Her personal statement and her reaction to Dr. Gray's question clearly show she hasn't reflect enough why she wants to into medicine. Even though she's a stellar student with great experience, her "I like science and helping people" response doesn't make the cut.

Only reason she did get in is her ethnicity and having a privileged background.

What Americans are doing now is just like that of the Chinese during the Cultural Revolution. At that time, kids who achieved excellent academic results, whose parents were doctors or professors, or had higher education background were labeled as "academically smart" and "Miss or mr Bourgeois", and were automatically deprived of the qualification to go to university and medical schools. Those with poor grades, or whose parents are called "poor lower middle peasants", are very popular. It was a time of disaster in this country. Now Americans pick up things thrown away by Chinese.

@jonj9493

3 жыл бұрын

Wait so you’re bothered with people who don’t have a perfect academic record (regardless of their circumstances) and poor people getting into medical school?

@jonj9493

3 жыл бұрын

@C B umm can you clairfy? It’s giving whyte suprem*cy vibez

@LilJbm1

3 жыл бұрын

@C B he's been propagandized that you can't be racist if you aren't white, white people can't be discriminated against (tell that to South Africans being murdered for being white) and that the woke racism of radical leftwing socialism designed to actually harm those of other races by pitting them against each other and having racist soft/low expectations (e.g. thinking black people are stupid therefore the expectations/bar should be lowered for them) is somehow antiracist. You can tell he's been brainwashed because he called you a w supremacist with literally nothing indicating that, he pulled it out of the aether. You only do that if you've been brainwashed.

@kmp8563

3 жыл бұрын

True, but she's also an international student and med schools are looking for people who are likely to serve in the U.S. Plus she didn't write much of a personal statement, which can certainly be a deal breaker. Stats aren't everything, and really aren't that important on the scale of things

Using phrases like "and like", "and like, you know" "and "soooo" repeatedly did nothing to help her. Such phrases are place holders. They demonstrate a lack of forethought. She's obviously brilliant, but her conversation lacks focus.

Well, no duh. She’s an international applicant. A potato would get in with a 3.88 and 520 if it were an American citizen.

Tell the university you're a trans-whatever, or a native American (worked for E.Warren)

@edhcb9359

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiarragreen5913 Yeah, except now hundreds of applicants have read that comment are all going 🤔.

@kmp8563

3 жыл бұрын

I think I can legally say I'm Cherokee. Only 1/32, still probably more than Warren lol

@edhcb9359

3 жыл бұрын

@@kmp8563 It’s not important that you are 1/32. It’s just important that you identify as Cherokee.

@yourfuturedocburenbeiya

2 жыл бұрын

So are you suggesting people lie on their application? Is that ethical? If you lie now, I can only imagine how that snowballs in the future or what else you lied/cheated just to get in.

@philmajohnson9150

2 жыл бұрын

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Cheating got George W Bush and Joe Biden elected

First!

Air head

Does anyone know if The Premed Playbook: Guide to the Medical School Personal Statement book has activity examples?

@konaintayab3505

3 жыл бұрын

@Andrea Ure appreciate you