Freezing the one you want to fill is based on the Ideal Gas Law which is PV=nRT where P is pressure, V is volume, T is temperature. If you don’t make one canister colder the gas will only flow till the pressure is equal so the full one would fill the less full one till pressure is equal (gas flows from high to low pressure). Making the recipient canister super cold means the T on the right side of the equation is lower so something on the left side of the equation must be lower too in order for the equation to be equal. The volume V remains constant so the only part of the left side that can change is the pressure P which must be lowered to balance what’s happened on the right side of the equation. So freezing causes the recipient canister to cool and lower the pressure. This results in the partially filled canister being higher pressure relative to the recipient so the gas will flow from the partial to the recipient as desired.

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Wow I guess you right. Lol. Thanks for that comprehensive explanation. 👌👍

@tridoc99

2 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I haven’t had to think about the ideal gas law since college. Thanks for the review!

@zolar1nonassumpsit219

2 жыл бұрын

@@tridoc99 Ideal Gas Law - the STINKIEST farts after eating Taco Bell!

@oliversbybee4306

2 жыл бұрын

A+

@peterlehman8448

2 жыл бұрын

PV=nRT was always my favourite formula. (Especially when the bottle of Coca-Cola is at the, um, "ideal" temperature and freezes solid before your eyes when you open it. Really frustrating, but also really cool to see! (Peace!)

Dad it lowers pressure so that the warmer pressurized one fills the difference between them is why you freeze one. Love you and your videos

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I knew that. Love you too. Lol

@davidAblake1

5 жыл бұрын

Love this comment! Family is what matters.

@davidAblake1

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service to and for our country!

@catlady8324

3 жыл бұрын

It lowers the boiling point, which indirectly lowers the pressure.

@aqibahmed8399

3 жыл бұрын

Awwwwwwhhh Love from Kashmir Himalayas

Thanks. Found the adapter on EBay and thought “hey that’s smart”. Tried it last night and it would only work some of the way. Overnight I thought “huh, maybe a combination of ice and heat would work”? First thing in the morning I found this video and I agree, some minutes in the freezer is both easier and safer. 😊

@henryvanderbeek2973

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, put the receiving canister in the freezer for till it's very cold to lower the pressure and you can also heat up the filler canister under hot water, to increase the pressure in that one....I have a different set up, but it works...

Nice demo. Now, after three years, I am reviewing this again to refill my cannisters. Much appreciated, Sir.

I love the way you speak. It reminds me of my grandfather from Texas and I miss him so much. Thank you!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Porkchop for your comment. I was born and raised in Charleston SC and my speech pattern is called Gullah/Geechee hope that explains it. Glad you stopped by and commented. 👌

I came across your video and channel a few months ago and decided to buy one of these valves. I finally got around to buying one and received it yesterday. I started with a small MSR brand canister. On the side of it it has gross weight (canister full)7.40 oz and net weight (canister empty)3.90 oz. I weighed my empty canister on my kitchen scale and it was 3.55oz. I had taken a cold-weather backpacking trip a month prior to this and my stove struggled in low 20° weather. I decided to fill it with propane from a Coleman 1 pound propane cylinder. I have an adapter that fits the 1 pound cylinder so you can use a backpacking stove on it. So after I filled it and weighed it several times to match the net weight I put it in the freezer for one hour took it out attached my backpacking stove, fired it up and it didn’t spit, sputter or anything with the propane. Keep up the video’s and happy hiking.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark K. That was good to hear.

Scrolling through some of your older vids .... I’ve seen this one , a long time ago .... very helpful !!! I probably owe you some of the money I’ve saved after seeing this one . I realize it might be late, but thanks for posting this one!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

You welcome MP. LOL

Oh snap! knew I kept all the old cans for a reason 😄 good stuff, thanks for sharing!

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

You are welcome Mountain Lust.😁😁😁

Thanks for reviewing this!! It’s annoying having all those partially filled canisters and this will remedy that problem 👍 You have a lot of great reviews. I just subscribed 🙂

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark

Thx much for the clear explanation of how to refill and save the little left over

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Amok

Always educating us. Enjoy all your videos. Keep on teaching us.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jodi. 💋💋💋

This is so helpful! I never knew you could do that! Thanks for sharing!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome glad it was helpful.🤜🤛👍

You are The Man,,,!!!!! Thank You Sir,,,,,, That’s one reason that I’ve stayed on the msr white gas side of cooking. Now I’ve gotten a hold of the Firebox stove,,, Oh boy,, has that brought outdoor cooking to a New Level. Again,,, thanks for that timely info video,,, Joshua

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

You welcome Joshua glad that video helped. ✌

Thank you so much for the video and listing all the used adapters

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

That an old video but still relevant. I quit refilling and just use them until empty.

Wow,never knew that tool existed, thanks for sharing, cheers

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome CB. ATB

Very instructive.I bought a 500g cylinder to refill my little 100g ones at a much reduced cost

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad this video was useful for you. Thanks for taking time to comment 🙂

Thanks for posting!

Thank you for sharing. Be safe.

I’ve always been apprehensive when it comes to refilling these containers. I like the idea of condensing partial cans and save a few bucks. Might have to look further into that attachment.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I was apprehensive too but these tools are brass, aluminum or plastic and don't produce any sparks.

Genius! Thanks so much for this! Can’t wait to refill some of mine and get rid of some clutter.

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Jennifer when I got rid of the clutter I just use the canister until empty. I don't refill anymore.

Thank you for the links and info.

@SeniorHiker77

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

Hello friend, Very interesting gadgets. I need to get them. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John .ATB

Just ordered the G-works valve after watching this....thanks for the informative post🤓

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and glad you found the info helpful.✌

Thank you Senior Hiker 77 Good tip I'll check it out

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful.👍

Well that's a pretty helpful tool I didn't know if you could do that. Thanks for sharing!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I've guit with refilling now i just use one until it's empty but carry a full can too. Lol

@NickandRachel

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 haha nice.

Excellent tips, my friend. I’ve been refilling my canister for years too. Saves a little money plus you can always be sure to have enough gas for each trip. I don’t always freeze the empty bottle but what happens if they are the same temp is that you can’t completely fill the empty one. It will fill about half way or just a little more. Definitely need to chill it if you want to fill one all the way.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Actually I quit refilling just use until completely empty then punch a hole and throw away. I started carrying an extra full canister. 👌

@SmellNRoses

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 it is an extra step. I like to refill mainly because those small ones are hard to get in my area but I can find the larger ones everywhere. If I could easily buy the small ones I’d probably not bother with filling.

@kke

2 жыл бұрын

@@SmellNRoses yeah the small ones are always out and the big ones don't fit inside my pot for packing. per gram price on the small ones seem to be almost double. it's not going to break my bank, but i don't like to feel hustled. the small ones you practically only find from hiking/outdoors stores, the medium and large ones are everywhere.

SH77, got my G-Works adapter and giving it a go. Thanks for the instructions since the the ones they sent are in Korean.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I'm married to a Korean pkus my brother in law always translates for me. Good luck.😄

This was incredibly helpful! Thanks for this!

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Nice to hear it was helpful but I'm starting to use pure butane straight from the can. Check out my video coming out this Saturday using a SOTO Regulator stove you might find it helpful too.

@wanderingcalamity360

4 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Not a bad idea, either. There's a few options for adaptors that work for butane and propane, which then connect to the transfer device so you can make your own 4 season fuel blend that won't wimp out on you in winter. I'm looking to put a little kit together for doing so. The benefit of the campstove canisters, for me, anyway, is that the campstove canisters are somewhat thicker and stronger than the conventional butane canisters and I can fit 2 of the little ones in my little Stanley cook pot perfectly, with room for my stove under the pot lid. I like the lower profile of them for cooking on, as well. But I can certainly see the allure of ditching the campstove containers altogether.

Thank you for this. Remembered this video from when I bought the valve. Just now getting around to using it....when I opened it the directions are only in Korean. Figured either way you were going to be able to help me 😊

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I can read Korean but don't know what I'm reading.

Good advise. I've been considering one of these, but haven't pulled the trigger. I just might have to do this. Thanks!!

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

One of my subs suggested using body heat on the donating canister instead of refrigerator. I might try that next time, don't want to over fill. 👌

Thanks was looking for the butane one but you said what i needed XD

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by.👍

That's awesome, I didnt know they sold that. I hate counting on the float method to see how full it is. Great video

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help JJ.👍

@Pandainapandasuit

Жыл бұрын

Float method eh?

That’s a great idea. My canister last so long that I don’t think I’ll be worried about refilling them. I know it would save money over time though.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Very good that your canisters last for a long time but I don't want to take a chance of running out of gas so I end up with lots of partially filled canisters. Thanks for your comment Saline Scott.

Thanks

Ye this is a great tool just subscribed. Hi from Australia 👍👍

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard. ATB

Another helpful video, thank you

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for stopping by.✌

Thankyou SH77 !

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome Mini.👍

Thanks so very much!!! I have heard about this tool but was hesitant! I would be worried about over filling. I plan on buying tool ASAP and taking on trail with me. Plenty of partial cans often at hiker boxes. I guess I’m going to guess when filling up and not over filling because of no scale available.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

The link below has the overfill button on it. My tool is the old version. Thanks for the comment Mark.

@markcummings6856

5 жыл бұрын

Senior Hiker 77 Thank you so very much Senior Hiker!! Take care now.

@psyamok3735

5 жыл бұрын

When pick one up at hikers box, put the can that you want to fill in the cold stream water and the one you wsnt it empty under the sunlight for 2 min, then invert the one under the sun and do the fill transfer, you will get the same effect. It is hard to over fill on the hike cuz both loss pressure aftrr use and during transfer they just equalize pressure at same temp.

great info! thanks for making the video

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Michael.✌

Very helpful info. Thank you.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by. ATB

I purchased one of those filling valves recently and now I know about putting canister in the freezer, I might be able to get it to work.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Be careful. I quit refilling my canisters just use them until empty. 👌

thank you for information

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Any time

Great info 77...😎👌

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hike Camp.😀😀😀

Thanks. I’ve been looking for a product like this.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

You must be binge watching my videos. Lol

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Yes that's what I use.

Thank you, very helpful!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eric glad you stopped by and took time out your busy schedule to comment. It's greatly appreciated.

Awesome!

Thanks. Its covid time now and those canisters are hard to come by, at least in my area. Everyone's going camping. But the cans of butane are still on the shelf. I just hope no one else figures this out!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I went to butane for summer and fall. ATB

Thank you i needed this info 👍👍👍

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome glad I could help. Atb

helpful vid. Thank you

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for taking time out your busy schedule to make that comment. ✌

Great video ☺️ 👍 good idear 😁

Be careful to not overfill. There needs to be room for the liquid to expand if the canister gets warm. Weigh a factory can, then don't exceed that weight.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny for the good advice.👍

:-) I never knew! Thank you for sharing*

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome nseight.👍

thank you that is a great idea. Wish these canisters had a gage on them to make them safer,so when you would know if they are empty or when you had filled them up.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a gauge would be nice but they cost enough without a gauge. Lol

@paulademille2766

3 жыл бұрын

Agree@@SeniorHiker77

@paulademille2766

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 agree but if it is portable then the extra cost would be worth it because of the safety factor just saying.

Very cool. I had no idea that there is an adapter for this. I'll be picking one up for sure.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Check out the links in the description box for 2 types of adapters. Thanks Brant & Garvey for your comment. 😀

@KrizAkoni

5 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you've not run into these before. I was thinking about doing one of these videos - I've been refilling and consolidating for years too! The G-Works Gas Saver Plus works very well. Just be sure not to over fill the canisters.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

@@KrizAkoni the new g-works has a overfill button, check the link.😀😀😀

@KrizAkoni

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, I have that one!

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

@@KrizAkoni can I use your sometime. Lol

Thanks SH 77

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

You are welcome Ripper218 hope it was helpful. 👌

Never knew the putting in freezer thing. I did a review on a different model one. Have to try putting in freezer for 20 minutes

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I also have the Jeebel but didn't use it because I didn't want to duplicate your review. Lol

@FOLLOWINGWALKERSWORLD

5 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Lol.. oh ok....

Thanks. Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Nowadays i just carry a spare and use one up then throw it away. ✌

@stephen8433

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 I subscribed, and thumbs up. I found you through Muskrat Jim's channel.

I see alot of comments but I'll say it anyways, they recommend colder temps because it's easier and get more gas in the tank in liquid state than gas state, the opposite when you use it, some people put isolated skirt around so the gas state get out easier, I don't remember the ratio but it's still something, anything that can save a little bit is always better than nothing, I think it's close to 10-15%, hope that clear enough with traduction. :)

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Good information Danny. I've move on to where I just use the canister until it's empty punch a hole then throw away. I carry a extra canister most of the time.✌

@dannygarden464

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 👍

Another KZreadr indicated that chilling the receiving can has resulted in the bottom visibly bulging out after it raises back to room temperature. He verified that the small can was stock full weight of 7.4 oz. As the can temperature raises back to thermal equilibrium, more of the fuel within vaporizes and raises pressure in the can. It's advisable to just mildly warm the donating canister(s). Say by holding them under your shirt for a half hour or something to get them 15+ deg above room temp. And just keep the receiving can at room temp for safety. Should work just as well but is safer. Honestly I'm not sure why this is happening as the operating range of these canisters is down to freezing. Maybe the guy's scale was wrong and he overfilled it. But it's mostly likely because these canisters are filled at the factory at a calibrated ambient temperature. Either way, from my perspective, not worth messing around with.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Hey I like your process will try it next time, thanks WWH.

Thank you!! This was super helpful!!! I’m going to buy a crunch it this season. Did you get it online? If you’re at camp, how would you do this without a freezer or scale?

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I just added a link to Amazon in the description box for the Crunchit Tool. I bought mine at REI and do all my refills at home or at the office. Hope that helps SectionHiking The AT.

@KrizAkoni

5 жыл бұрын

SectionHiking The AT, I've been doing this for years too. After doing it for a while, it's not hard to estimate what "almost full" is. There is no need for a freezer, it just works better with one. As long as the donor (top) canister is warmed in your hands, the liquid squirts right in.

I got that set up myself from AliExpress and have been doing so. My small canisters weighs 7.5 Oz. full, but I can get 8.5 total by packing another ounce into a can.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Be careful not to over fill. Thanks for the comment Thoth.😁😁

@TheRambler11

5 жыл бұрын

That will work until the temp changes significantly and then they have the potential to explode. Say you filled canister X at a 70F ambient temp. Well if it heats up to say 90F one hot summer day...BOOM. That extra room in the canisters is to account for gas expansion at warmer temperatures, without the canister will rupture.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheRambler11 That's good information thanks a lot. 😁

Great ‘hack’! Now I can move all those near empty canisters to one. Your first ‘hack’ I learned from you was the Nalgene ‘wide mouth’ collapsible bottle for those midnight runs to the loo, or w your hack, just bring the loo to you! How’s the Lanshan 2 doing?

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear from you David. The LanShan 2P is 2 years old now and started to show some wear. I have a video coming out soon about repairing a pinhole that recently appeared in the roof line on my lanshan 2p tent. Thanks for your comment and will post it in a few weeks.👍

@PerfDayToday

4 жыл бұрын

Senior Hiker 77 GTK! Thxs.

Great tip, but the first Amazon link doesn't show any canister adapter..?

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

You right Claus, check that link now. It will show a newer adapter than the one I used.

Leave them half full, and put a hole in them using your "tracer" ammunition.... makes them nice and "safe".

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking in and for your comment 👍

Thank you for the review. Would you please share the source that suggests putting canisters into the freezer before refilling? Thank you!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Actually I don't remember the source but I think it was to change the pressure in one can. I don't bother with refilling canisters anymore. I just carry an extra can and use them until empty them punch a hole with my aluminum punch. 👌

useful :)

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking time out your busy schedule to make comment on my video. 👍

I want have one.. But here is very expensive... And in local (Indonesia) is not production this...

Cool video. But why should I refill one small canister with another? Is this a gane switching gas between two similar canisters? Or do I miss the reason and logic behind?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

No logic that why I use one until it's empty then throw it away. I carry an extra full canister an use it when the other is empty. 👌

Good video mate, and a very good tip to save some material and gas. That is a proper cool American accent. I goin kick ya arse boi........is this Texan?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Accent from Charleston SC. LOL

You can refill those containers with one adapter and use propane - much cheaper and works better.

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

I don't use propane in the winter/cold weather. Thanks for taking time to comment. 👌

How do you store the leftover fuel after opening it? If I unscrew it from the jetboil, will the fuel leak out?

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think so Chris.👌

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

If you talking about the hissing sound that happens on all canister stoves.

@WildlandExplorer

4 жыл бұрын

Lindal valves on isobutane canisters are self-sealing. There is no need for a cover. The plastic top is there just to protect the threads from dirt.

If you refill an empty cartridge with a full one, how does that help? The pressures equalize, and you now have not one empty cartridge, you have two half-full cartridges.

@CampingrocksBgWoW

4 жыл бұрын

You freeze the one to be filled so that you can fill it up. The whole point is this - the smallest 100 grams canisters are very expensive, the 450 grams canisters are the cheapest. You keep carrying only one 100 grams canister and use it, keep refilling it from the big ones and thus achieve substantial savings over time.

@xenaguy01

4 жыл бұрын

@@CampingrocksBgWoW Okay, that I can understand. But he was filling one small canister from another. All that gives you is two half-full small canisters.

@ko6712

3 жыл бұрын

He was combining them. One had a little, one had more....

Great stuff, can you use bigger tanks and fill up the smaller ones? Those 100g ones are so expensive, but my favorite to bring on 1-3 night trips. Would be cheaper to buy the bigger ones and keep refilling. I assume this is ok, but curious if you knew.. Also, should you only fill up with the same manufacturer, as to not "mix" ? Have a great day

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure anymore so I quit refilling the canisters. I use the butane canisters from the Asian market and find that cheaper. Nowadays I just carry an extra canister and make sure that I use all before throwing away.

@Hangs4Fun

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 btw, I believe those butane cans are the same ones my grill I use in my van takes. You can get those 250g (8.8oz) cans made by Coleman right off the shelves at Walmart, used to be under $3. I must have bought a dozen of those for use with my van setup. I like the idea of just buying those and refilling the butane/propane mixes in 100g and 250g canisters for backpacking stoves when its not freezing temps. Unfortunately, I do a large portion of my backpacking when it's freezing out, so I would just switch back to the butane/propane mixes for those trips. Thanks for the great idea.

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hangs4Fun yep I have to switch back to the mix in cold weather too.

Where do you get the black round thing to refill from big the big bottle? Thank you for your awesome video.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

I got that from aliexpress.com.

@danharrison5285

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Great video. Any chance you could find us a link or at least find us a name to search for this adapter? Thanks!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

@@danharrison5285 Check out the description tab you will find the link to that adapter. ATB

@danharrison5285

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77I can see two links for the canister to canister adapters and one for the tool to punch a hole, but not one for the adapter to refill the isobutane canister with butane. Am I missing something?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

@@danharrison5285 I added another link for that adapter. Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm well impressed with this and as I'm a fair weather hiker using butane to refill canisters is fine for me. Plus I really object to these camping gas firms riding what is obviously a gravy train. There isopro is nothing special compared to industrial isopro used in blowlamps they just want to make more money selling the stuff

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

I agree.👍

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

I just started using pure butane canisters with the adapter that will let you connect directly to the stove.

@Lee-70ish

4 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Just discovered today in my local garden supplies centre the gas cartridges they supply for the weed flame wands are isobutane. exactly the same gas mix as the standard camping gas canisters Even the threads on top are the same so your canister to canister adaptor will fit fine or you can use a flexible hose style burner direct. They cost here in the UK the same price as an MSR 100 small canister but have over three times the amount of gas . This could be handy for winter campers.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Great information 👌

So it has been awhile now do you still like refilling these? I love not having to trow them away. But can I still trust the pressure if I'm out with it?

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

I moved on to the pure butane canisters at least for the summer.

@outdoorjunkie2483

4 жыл бұрын

Senior Hiker 77 I kinda thought somewhere along the line I thought you said that somewhere. With little ones I can’t upgrade equipment Often when buy new shoes ever 3 months as they grow🙄 so for now I’m sticking with the stove I have . But I thought refilling maybe be nice. But I guess really in the end you still have a can left over either way

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Yep I haven't got the full solution yet.

Curious to why fill a canister from another? What's the purpose? Just use it ....?

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and that's exactly what I've learned. Use until empty punch hole then just throw away. Lol

Hey u can’t empty any of the canisters. Once the pressure equalizes from one can to the other ur done. There is no pressure pump involved. Forcing a little left over gas from one can to the other. He going in circles thinking he’s filling ones up. U need a higher pressure tank or a pump pressurizing the gas to force it in and not equal to the pressure in the can ur trying to fill.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Actually Tony I quite refilling canisters. I just bring an extra one and use them until empty then punch a hole and dispose of it. 😀

Is if ok if i refill it again after its empty? Or should i put it in freezer again before refill again?

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

I refill again by cooling

@nickcandare271

4 жыл бұрын

Ok sie. So no need to freeze ir again. Just refiled it again. Thank u

where do you live? it looks cold.

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

Not cold, Georgia USA.

What’s the name of the adapter for the long bottle?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Jeebel converter for butane canister on amazon or aliexpress.

@ZeroColdx911

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Thank you!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

In my latest video I reviewed how to use it. If you have time take a look.

Is it possible to over fill them? How do you kno when it’s full?

@SeniorHiker77

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think so but I use small canister to small and large to large. When stops hissing I'll weight it and check against a new full canister. Hope that helps. 👌😎

@Francois_Dupont

4 жыл бұрын

yes, it could explode too if they are heated (in the sun for example) afterwards. you should have a 80% "air" room inside left.

@CampingrocksBgWoW

4 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 Friend, the biggest benefit imo is when you refill the smallest from the biggest. The small canisters are very expensive but they are the most compact and lightweight to carry and use. So you buy the cheapest biggest canisters and use them to refill only one small or smaller that you use all the time.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

@@CampingrocksBgWoW Excellent idea.🤜🤛👍

Could they be refilled with propane?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they could be refilled with propane with the right adapter and the right pressure but not recommended. In the summer months I use the butane canisters from our Asian market.

@efwefwef4747

3 жыл бұрын

@@SeniorHiker77 80/20 mix so I always thought it would be fine

Is it possible to overfill them? I don’t want them to explode.

@SeniorHiker77

4 жыл бұрын

Actually I don't know Chris Z. I don't think so since both are the same size they would equal out.

@TheTekSone

4 жыл бұрын

I bought a digital kitchen scale to weigh mine. I use the jetboil cans. I know that the jetboil 100gram cans when empty are 94grams (g), 194g when full. The 230g cans when empty are 126g, 356g when full. the 450g cans when empty are 195g, 645g when full. you can also use the transfer tool to empty a can completely by heating a can then turning the valve to let any trapped gas/air/pressure escape. you can weigh your cans while empty and use a magic marker to write on the bottom how much it weighs when empty. once you start filling them up you can start and stop at any time to unscrew and weigh. I always fill 10g less (put 90g in a 100g can) because with temp changes the can builds pressure. today you can weigh a can and it says 194g and tomorrow can be a warmer day and it will say a different temp which may be over.

@TheTekSone

4 жыл бұрын

g g I am in the US. I used “grams” because I wanted to, the can is measured in grams and ounces. If you have a digital scale does it really matter what I measured in? Most digital scales measure in multiple units (lbs, grams, ounces, etc.). If you have a non-digital scale, convert it. Either unit is not the right or wrong way. It is about how a person wants to measure it. I used grams. Have a blessed day! :)

Asian store?

You don't throw it away, you RECYCLE IT!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't have enough room to keep any more. Lol

$29.95 on Sale on eBay as of today. This is the lowest price ever. And quite likely to be even lower AFTER New Years'.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip AZ.👌

Hello my KZreadr

@SeniorHiker77

8 ай бұрын

Glad you stopped by

Newbie here (with some decades behind me not new to life but new to this stuff) with a Q for anyone who knows: So I just got the AOTU stove and a Toaks 750 ml cup and did a test boil with a standard Primus 8 oz canister. I found I could not make the 3 minute boil time unless I cranked the thing up to what seemed like all the way AND, in the bottom of the cup, there was a quarter sized bright red spot, as if the thing might burn through the bottom of the cup. Sooo, all systems normal? Something might be wrong? Please advise. Thanks.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I never liked any store that burns like a blow tourch for that very reason. I always felt like it would burn a hole in my titanium 750 pot. I personally use a Snow Peak Giga Power or the Litemax seem to have a softer flame. Hope that helps. ATB

Those butane cans do not like cold weather.

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

That's for sure they don't like cold weather. Lol

If it’s so cold outside that the butane won’t boil (no pressure), then I’M NOT GOING camping!!! 🥶

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by happy New Year

I will probably refill them with 1 pound propane...... propane burns hotter. Thanks for the idea

@TheTekSone

4 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere not to refill the isobutane cans with straight propane. the pressure of propane is too much to handle for the thin cans. that is why propane bottles are so thick and heavy.

@lakorai2

4 жыл бұрын

These canisters cannot handle pure propane. Refilling with regular propane is dangerous and definately not DOT approved. What I would recommend is purchasing the FlameKing 1lb refillable propane kit and empty tanks. Theese are the only 1lb DOT approved tanks that you can buy that are refillable. The main disadvantage of course is they are heavy (2lbs 8oz when full) and probaly not the best for backpacking, but perfectly fine for car camping, tailgating or RV use.

In the video, your filling one gas can to another gas can and are the same, so why don't you use the one with gas in Thay are the same can so you don't need to do that

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

I don't do that anymore I just use them until empty, punch a hole and throw away. Thanks for watching one of my old videos. Your comment is greatly appreciated. 👌👍

Playback speed 1.75x... thank me later!

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

?

Out of all the things to refill these are the dumbest because they have the worst valve design out of any of them and no way to vent excess pressure unless you have the one type of adapter with a pressure release. That being said, I like to run propane torches on the odorless blend of LPGs you get from headshops that they use to make BHO or the ones from the UK that addicts sniff and the easiest and safest way I've found to do that is to refill the odorless butane first into these canisters and then into the propane canisters because there isn't an easy way to go right from those plastic adapters on a can of butane into a 1lb propane tank without first going through one of these flat gas canisters and I haven't died yet. I'm not saving a few bucks though I'm taking the most expensive LPG and putting it into the cheapest canister and losing 20% in the process but I fing hate the smell they add to propane

@SeniorHiker77

2 жыл бұрын

I don't refill those canisters anymore. I just use them until empty punch a hole then though away

Not like this entirely unsafe or anything. But just a couple warnings: ."Disposable" tanks should not be "refilled". .Buy a refillable tank that is d.o.t. approved and has a bleeding valve. .the d.o.t. portion serves to allow you to legally transport refilled gas cylinders, and safely. .Do not transport refilled gas cylinders, that are one use(disposable), because this could be illegal, potentially dangerous. I think if your refilling, you need a tank that has a bleeding valve. MOST IMPORTANTLY. Do not put straight propane in a propane/butane or propane/isobutane cylinder. The thin walled cylinders that have these mixes are made for these mixes that are lighter and more easily to carry. As well, the butane portion puts out more energy with less gas spent, making it more efficient with the amount of volume. But putting propane in the mix cylinders that have thin walls could be a problems. Propane needs thicker walled tanks.

@Pandainapandasuit

Жыл бұрын

one last note: The bleeding valve is helpful bc it will alert you when it's full.

@SeniorHiker77

Жыл бұрын

Actually I quit refilling my canisters. I carry a full spare and the one I'm trying to use up. Don't forget to use an aluminum punch to put a hole before disposing that canister.

So how come the containers don’t just reach an equilibrium? Some of you say we are freezing the receiving container? That would lower the pressure, but I mean, physically there isn’t a way to really empty empty the donor canister, is there?

@SeniorHiker77

3 жыл бұрын

I come to realize that the only way is to use a canister until it's empty then punch a hole using an aluminum punch then throw them away. Thanks for a very thoughtful comment Michael. 👍