is this the best "two way centre/ shut down centre" draft class of all time?? RNH, Couturier, Trocheck, Karlson, Danault, Pageau, Jenner, Miller....Such a solid draft class

@oceanshrugs9235

Жыл бұрын

With some deep steals!

@joshmorrisseysleftnut2524

Жыл бұрын

No

@dwaynethewokjohnson7773

Жыл бұрын

Also Larsson, Oleksiak, Brodin and Mayfield is also solid D-shutdown

@christ3821

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t even mention zibanejad you jabroni

@sniderman18

Жыл бұрын

@@christ3821 take a lap bud. wouldn’t really say he’s a two way Centre or shut down guy

I would still have the Avs going with Landeskog, he's the leader they needed and has stuck with the team during one of the worst seasons imaginable. 92 will be in rafters someday.

Man, I wish Klefbom didn't get hurt. I miss him! He would've probably been drafted higher than 19 if he stayed healthy. He was turning into a legit top 2 shutdown defenceman for the Oilers!

@oilersridersbluejays

Жыл бұрын

I miss him. It’s sad to see a career go down the way Klefbom’s did.

@barryjames73

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he was good and probably would have gotten the big contract vice Nurse.

@chimoneko115

Жыл бұрын

Not a number 1 dman

@MuhammadZegras

Жыл бұрын

I remember in the 2017 playoffs how good he was. he honestly seemed like poor man’s Hedman. Sad to see injuries end careers.

This is a solid redraft, Shannon! (Even if my inner Avalanche fan shuddered in horror at the thought of Landeskog being in anything other than an Avs sweater)

@thenextgreat8652

Жыл бұрын

I’d still have kept Landy at #2 on the redraft. Essentially, a redraft is drafting based on what you know today. As of today, Landy wears the “C” and was an integral piece of hoisting the cup a couple months ago. Might not be as talented offensively but still plays on the top line of the best team in hockey, puts up points, hits, fights and has been a master motivator for that group as their captain both during the good and bad times. The Avs don’t win a cup with Johnny Hockey.

@Bdiers

Жыл бұрын

@@thenextgreat8652 oh, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with your point. I firmly believe that his leadership on and off the ice are worth their weight in gold, and I wouldn't pick anyone else. I just won't argue if someone else picks Johnny first. For my money, Landy is the ideal net-front power forward. He plays a smothering game at the top of the crease, without having to resort to playing like a rat, and elevates everyone's game around him. He'll definitely go down as one of the top ten (top five even?) to don an Avs sweater.

@thenextgreat8652

Жыл бұрын

@@Bdiers I figured that 😉 Other than that pick, I agree it was a solid redraft. Just think there’s an even stronger case today for Landy to go #2 overall than there was back in 2011. I’d already throw him in the top 5 now that he’s captained a cup winning team.

You need to do a 2009 redraft!! There were SO MANY good players!

@darthvader3742

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a really good draft.

@Crushbra

Жыл бұрын

I'm aware your comment is two months old. If anyone reads this, he did a 2009 redraft

@levidecroce6036

Жыл бұрын

@@Crushbra I know, thanks!

I appreciated this one more than your others, because it's the first one you've done that showed Philly did make a decent pick. I do love Cooter, so it was nice to see him do even better here. I think this is the first Flyer to be a top 5 in any of your redrafts other than Lindros. I really enjoy these thought exercises.

Avs would not be where they are now without The Viking Captain💪🏻 Landy is the best Captain in the League and we Avs Fanatics are blessed to have him🙏🏻

Shannon is on a redrafting spree and I am here for it. Love it

1) Nikita Kucherov 2) Gabriel Landeskog 3) John Gibson 4) Johnny Gaudreau 5) Mika Zibanejad

I get the Gaudreau at 2 but as an Avs fan, I'll keep Landy at #2

@alu.304

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 💪🏻🙏🏻

@robnevitt7593

Жыл бұрын

I understand why Shannon would take Gaudreau at #2. But, Landy's leadership, winning a Cup, and staying with the team long term ... make him the one I would want the Avs to draft again at #2.

Oh dayum..Gotta Landeskog at #2! He's such an amazing leader, and still an excellent player overall.

@loganhacker9329

Жыл бұрын

💀

@CaptainBooch

Жыл бұрын

it's hard argue against his top 3. but I can't say a bad thing about landeskog. amazing captain, love it when he drops the gloves for a teammate, never for himself. best captian in the league. kuch, gudreau, and huby have really out done themselves, amazing skill and point production. I'd take landy at 2 still

@creamcheesewonton420

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainBooch I can. Kucherov, Landeskog, Gibson, then gaudreau

I enjoy these redrafts, especially when there are gems that were taken in later rounds. I understand the focus is on who was drafted, but If I may suggest, I’d like to also see players originally drafted in the first round but didn’t make the redraft. I think that gives a more complete picture.

I love watching these redrafts and realizing, as a Blues fan, how often we don't have a 1st round pick...

@christhornycroft3686

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as a Canucks fan, sometimes it doesn’t matter anyway.

@nickpalumbo8046

Жыл бұрын

Atleast your not an oilers fan. That team got all the top 5 overall picks and did nothing with them.

@jonah.donohue

Жыл бұрын

"The St Louis Blues are proud to select Erik Johnson" 👌🤣🤣

@IHateMyAccountName

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, at least Pietrangelo came later and was the Top 2 defenceman we wanted EJ to be.

@IHateMyAccountName

Жыл бұрын

They killed it in 2010 getting Tarasenko and Schwartz.

This video is great at showing how draft position really affects how we look at a player. Of course Kucherov is the best player from this class, however it took him a couple of seasons just to make the nhl. If he actually went #1 there would have been many shouting bust. Several of these players took years to develop into who they became. This is why I am still a believer in players like Kakko, Zadina, etc. They aren’t stars right away like we thought, but with time will be great players when they’re 26, 27, etc

Avs take Landeskog 10 times out of 10 even with hindsight. Hell no to Gaudreau. There's so much more to Landeskog than points, and he even does that well.

@jackmcaninch4270

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Landy is where it’s at. Miss him 😢

With how many 2nd to 4th round draft picks on this board I'd call it the draft of steals

I had not realized how deep this draft was. Amazing, thanks for another video Shannon

Crazy to put RNH above Mika, number 3 center vs number 1 ?

@loganhacker9329

Жыл бұрын

Yea..

@billbill3915

Жыл бұрын

Zibanejad would be a number 3 center on the Oilers, too.

@MrNinjaTanner

Жыл бұрын

@@billbill3915 honestly based as hell take, I just love Mika tbh

@billbill3915

Жыл бұрын

@@MrNinjaTanner No worries, I don't blame you for having an opinion. Just thought I'd point it out. Cheers.

@Gagne87Fixxer

Жыл бұрын

THG based this on the whole career. It took some time for Zibanejad to get going and his consistency is not always there… a very streaky player. RNH is not as flashy but his 2 way game is elite, which allows the first Edmonton line to do their high end scoring

"now that he's in columbus....maybe that'll change"😂

I'd be interested to see you do a video about which draft classes have the most collective games played and the most collective points

@stentorofsparta3576

Жыл бұрын

I’d guess the 03 draft off the top of my head.

@thepivotguy1123

Жыл бұрын

That would just be the furthest back draft class with a significant amount of people still playing the game

@stentorofsparta3576

Жыл бұрын

@@thepivotguy1123 you’re right about that it wouldn’t be a very recent draft but having an active player from a draft wouldn’t be a factor in deciding which draft produced the most amount of combined games played.

@jonmendelson1104

Жыл бұрын

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that ones where all or most of the players have finished their careers will be at the top.

@Crushbra

Жыл бұрын

@@jonmendelson1104 probably the 1979 one with messier

Zibanejad was severely disrespected in my opinion, no goddamn way is Scheifele and RNH are better than him.

@creamcheesewonton420

Жыл бұрын

Look at Rakell at 27

@jackfilippi1970

Жыл бұрын

I Was gonna comment this but thank you for doing it already. As well no way Sean couturier is better than Mika.

@gimmick7389

Жыл бұрын

most overrated player in the league

@slipperynodd578

Жыл бұрын

@@gimmick7389 well thank you for letting us know that you don’t watch hockey Other than your own team. I’m gonna purposely misinterpret what you said by the way and say that Scheifele is definitely the most overrated player in the league. He is known for being a locker room cancer along with the other top players in Winnipeg as well as one of the worst defensive players in the league.

Anaheim had a really good draft. Gibson, Karlsson, Manson and Rakell. Especially since their first pick was at 30.

Gaudreau may be an explosive player with a penchant for scoring or whatever, but he's not a winner and he always buckles under pressure. Landeskog is an all-league elite CAPTAIN and it's just too sad that the stats are blind to that aspect. He still goes #2 easily and if you disagree, he will beat up anyone you put in #2 instead.

1st round of 2011 Draft was so deep, but still the best player was picked at #58 and second best player at #104 that's pretty interesting.

@seanpierce2943

Жыл бұрын

Kucherov wasn't going to report though if he ended up on Edmonton so I think the Oilers are still pretty happy with RNH in hindsight

@milesbaillie1011

Жыл бұрын

@@seanpierce2943 They should definitely be happy now

This was fun to watch! 😊👍

This needs to be redone.

Before you started, I was really hoping RNH still held up to being in top 10. I don't know much about hockey and how RNH's draft class stacked up, but I also knew he wasn't #1.

@Sahil-ev3mv

Жыл бұрын

If Nuge didn’t dealt with a lot of injuries early in his career he probably could’ve been a number 1 center

@guitarcovers5437

Жыл бұрын

@@Sahil-ev3mv Yup multiple shoulder injuries and having a Knack for defence always hindered him from being the best offensive player he could be. He has potential to be a 70 point guy yearly but he never sacrifices offence for it. If not for all the bad oilers teams he was on early and the lack of interest in prospect development by the gm’s he would have been a top 3 player in the draft. Even saying that id still put him 5. He has more goals/assists/points in less games than Couturier. He also plays C/W and the PK and PP. He is an all around high level player.

Sure do miss the Big Rig here in Dallas. He was slowly becoming my favorite player. Was like the defense version of a young Jamie Benn. Good times.

Idk I would definitely stick with Gabriel Landeskog over Gaudreau lol

@loganhacker9329

Жыл бұрын

😭

Gaudreau ahead of Huberdeau is ludicrous.

So excited for this one! This was the Jets' first ever pick

@kurtwpg

Жыл бұрын

Yet somehow they already had Hellebuyck, due to drafting him in 2012.

Glad to see Boone Jenner get some love on your list. Not really a Blue Jackets fan, but he’s one of my favourite players.

When you look at everything a player brings to a team, I’d still leave Landeskog at the #2. Not as offensively talented as Johnny hockey but because of the intangibles, give me Gabe every day of the week 🏆

@ryanwalter9356

Жыл бұрын

This was my thought here as well. With the Avs naming him Captain at 19, I think that shows they valued his intagibles during the draft process.

Good spot for Palat. He's a support guy. Doesn't drive the play but compliments those who do very well.

@Drainbamege

Жыл бұрын

He also wears #18

Ottawa finally solving the goaltending question with John Gibson would've been nice.

Would love too see a Top 5 series - Playoff dark horses. best defence. Rookies. Goalkeepers. Goalscorers. Assist. Etc etc insert any relevant category.

I know Oscar Klefbom sustained career ending injuries but he was a legit top defenseman before all the injuries. I think he should have been in the top 30 at least.

I feel like this has to be the deepest draft you've done yet

I'd like to see you redraft groups of draft years, like 04-06

2011 definitely a good draft and underrated. Lots of great players from that year

Loved the Jonas Brodin at 10 take. If I had to pick a defender to guard McDavid, it would be Brodin hands down.

I would argue that Colorado would still take Landy at 2. His leadership was instrumental in the cup run, really tough to quantify that. Also just an underrated stud.

@teajay3671

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t

@CC-of5xl

Жыл бұрын

I think him and RNH will always go underrated simply because they were both high picks that were overshadowed by their teams having some of the best players of their generation.

@stentorofsparta3576

Жыл бұрын

100%. I’d take a power forward that can score and be the captain forever over guys like gaudreau & huberdeau that disappear at times, especially in the playoffs.

@philliphomier5772

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. No way scouts could have predicted him becoming a captain so young. He has been a solid captain, and I don’t think the Avs as a team are better with any of these other players.

@robnevitt7593

Жыл бұрын

I understand why Shannon would take Gaudreau at #2. But, Landy's leadership, winning a Cup, and staying with the team long term ... make him the one I would want the Avs to draft again at #2.

4 players the Ducks drafted all being taken before the Ducks first pick....that's some more good Duck drafting and more getting screwed in re-drafts! haha :)

Id personally shuffle around the top 10.... Kucherov, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Gaudreau, Schiefle, Zibanejad, Couturier, Gibson, Nugent Hopkins, Hamilton.

Always happy to be welcomed back

Landeskog was on a 48-goal pace last season, which would've been the highest on the team, yet no one talks about it... Yeah, underrated as hell

awesome video!!!

I feel like the 2011 draft is one where the players keep getting better and better. I don't think any of them really started off their careers superbly, but each season it seems many of these players keep improving. Some of these players had career years this past year, when they turned 29 years old.

These redraft videos are great. Not sure why Couturier is so high, but disagreeing is what makes these redrafts 🔥

Amazing year for Tampa Bay: Kucherov, Palat and Namestnikov who was very good and then he was involved in a trade for JT Miller and Ryan McDonagh. Now he is back with Tampa. Also Lightning could have Binnigton, but they traded that pick and Beukeboom for Eric Brewer and they went to Conference Finals.

I love how I comment stuff and it magically comes true on his channel, you should do a redraft of 1960

The lightning had /have 5 players in shannon's redraft. They were so good at drafting and finding steals.

Being a ducks fan I agree with the Rakell placement. The potential to be a 30+ goal scorer is there Forsure and when he’s on his game he can really take over, but he hasn’t played consistently. I think he’s a guy that really does need an elite passer on his line to be at his best

If you can make the time for a Kuzmenko prospect video I would be over the moon! There's been alot of buzz around him lately and I know so little about him. Big fan Shannon :)

I'd take Mika over RNH. Gibson's tough to rank. Could go higher. What might have been had he played elsewhere the past handful?

@StevenStamkos91

Жыл бұрын

Mika is a no brainer ahead of RNH

@patch8376

Жыл бұрын

@@StevenStamkos91 now? Of course. But I think "no brainer" is more than a little dramatic given that RNH was the more productive of the two from 2012-2018, with Mika only outscoring him in 1 of those half dozen seasons. They peaked at different times, and it's a bit apples to oranges, but while saying you prefer one to the other is fine, a Dean Douglas promo cut line is a bit much in my opinion. That's why I merely said I'd "take" one over the other.

I think something cool to look at for these redrafts would be to take the average original draft position for each one and then you could compare which years had better talent later on than others

For anyone curious about teams missing draft picks in this draft: The Blue Jackets' pick was sent to the Flyers as part of the Jeff Carter trade along with Voracek and a 2011 3rd. The Leafs' pick was sent to the Bruins as part of the Phil Kessel trade along with a 2010 first and a 2010 2nd. The Blues' pick was sent to the Avalanche as part of the trade that swapped this pick, Erik Johnson, and Jay McClement for Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart, and a 2nd round pick. The Kings' pick was sent to the Oilers as part the Dustin Penner trade along with a 2012 3rd and Colten Teubert. The Predators' pick was sent to the Senators as part of the Mike Fisher trade along with a conditional pick in 2012. The Ducks traded back from 22 to 30 and 39. The Red Wings traded back from 24 to 35 and 48. The Flyers' pick was sent to the Leafs as part of the Kris Versteeg trade along with a 2011 3rd. The Capitals' pick was sent to the Chicago Blackhawks for Troy Brouwer. The Sharks' pick was sent to the Wild as the part of the trade that swapped Brent Burns and a 2012 2nd to for Devin Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and this pick. The Bruins' pick was sent to the Leafs in the Tomas Kaberle trade along with Joe Colborne and a 2012 2nd. The Leafs then traded up to 22 using this pick and pick 39 (already mentioned above with the Ducks).

@shaanhashmi5836

Жыл бұрын

You have a lot of time on your hands

@jonmendelson1104

Жыл бұрын

@@shaanhashmi5836 Copied it from the wikipedia page and made some minor tweaks. It took like 2 minutes. I was curious why the Sharks didn't have a pick that year (I of course knew about the trade but I didn't remember exactly when it happened).

I chuckled as you described Brodin "It's not always about the points, it's defense, it's about leadership, you're looking at the overall player." But you have Johnn Gaudreau going second who can only contribute points, no defense, no leadership, no other tangibles or intagibles. I'd bump Johnny down to 4 and Huberdeau and Landeskog up one each.

As a Oilers fan, seeing the Oilers get Nikita Kucherov makes me very happy. In some alternate universe that has happened.

What's pretty interesting here is we draft basically a no one at #23 originally as we (the Pens) get Joe Morrow and then trade him to get a third round pick, which would eventually become the one and only Jake "shake" Guentzel.

damn!!! this year was absolutely stacked. it would be cool if they were all on one team. lol

Gibson, Karlsson, Manson, Rakell. Interesting thing is there are 4 Ducks picks who moved up in this redraft. Ironically, Rakell being the first one and the only one who actually was picked in the first round, is the last one from them.

Solid redraft!

This draft had a few guys taken way down there that are pretty good now

Surprised no video on the 2004 draft yet

Jonas Brodin is ELITE

Kucherov also still has the single season points best post lockout. Feels beatable, but no one has yet.

This is the 🐐 Hockey channel!!!! 🏒

Scheifele & Mark Stone on the same line for Ottawa would have been a lot to deal with. Of course both would have been traded away by now, but the time they would have been together, they would have been fun to watch.

4:50 you can say "his going to Ottawa" in formal speech.

I really wanna see a 2019 redraft. Maybe a bit early but hopefully soon

Watching these videos is a fight in recency bias. I always have to remind myself to judge the pick by the career and not just this past year or two

@loganhacker9329

Жыл бұрын

2011 was very long ago. It’s like 2005 draft. Where you have to base it off careers lmao

@darkkrad6

Жыл бұрын

@@loganhacker9329 for sure I was mainly thinking about guys like zibanejad and jt Miller who may have started slower but have become better players more recently compared to guys like couturier and Gibson who I would say had better earlier careers but have struggled recently for various reasons

Avs fan. Not upset. Like that spot for Landy

Very appropriate that Palat, who wears #18, goes #18 over all in your redraft ;)

If still curious, 4:47 Scheifle... "His going to Ottawa, I think is fantastic..."

This was a great video, thank you for all your content! My only gripe as an islander fan is in retrospect I'd rather Garth Snow draft Rickard Rickell or J.T. Miller. I know guys like Scheifele, RNH, and Zibanejad are arguably better but at the time the islanders needed a winger for John Tavares

I agree in hindsight Binnington should probably have been a 1st round pick, but if you adjust for the teams making the pick, there is no way Buffalo would have taken him. Miller had just won the Vezina in 2010 and was still in his prime, so they were not seeking a goalie in the first round.

U should do a draft of undrafted players I think that would be cool 2 watch

@philtorrez4198

Жыл бұрын

W

Imagine Kucherov together with McDavid and Draistl .................

As much as I love RNH (who will most likely retire an Oiler) it’s such a wow factor to think of Kucherov as an Oiler.

Thanks Toronto

Thank you for this :)

This one was very very good...

the draft of underrated players

see sean "omg sean avery in 2011... couturier oh ya him"

What a draft for Tampa, especially considering the #58 and #208 position. It's little off-putting seeing Tampa let Palat go, I feel like he fulfilled a crucial role for them much like the other core guys they locked up long term.

4 Ducks on this list. Madden is amazing. Gibson, Karlsson, Manson, and Rakell.

Dunno about #2. As an Avs fan, hard to go past the intangibles other than scoring that Landy brings.

How did RNH go #1 with so many better players in hindsight, I wouldn’t have even put him in the top 10 tbh

When you do these, do you account for a teams needs, at the time or just best player?

@yolonation570

Жыл бұрын

Best player I believe

Being an Oilers lifer, I wouldn't trade Nuge for the world.

@michaelkeller5927

Жыл бұрын

He's good, but he can't drive a line. He's a 2nd line winger and I'd gladly trade him for Kucherov

@ethantercier6057

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelkeller5927 he drove the 3rd line much of last season and drove the 2nd line when drai was injured and playing wing!

@billbill3915

Жыл бұрын

@@ethantercier6057 Yeah. He's taken a back seat with the dynamic duo on the Oilers, and he's cool with that. He's a swiss army knife, and the ultimate team player.

Chicago picked up Danault, Saad, Shaw. Damn.

I wanna see 2009... I'm still a bit sore of my very first draft ever as a hockey fan, as the Habs got a MASSIVE bust in the first round......

Personally I take landeskog before gaudreau

I’d once again like to thank Jeff Gorton for rebuilding by trading JT Miller away for absolutely nothing in a move that never even made sense from the first thought in his head. Usually when you draft a player and that prospect does nothing but excel, join the pro club and do well before age 24, you want to continue to watch that player develop into his prime. But good ol Jeff decided it made sense to let other teams reap the rewards of what was a superb draft pick by getting a worse player in every way in return. Thanks Jeff!

Thank you

As an Avalanche fan, I’d STILL take Landeskog at #2

I would personally love a draft class where you talk about mostly busts

After you do all these redrafts, you should do a "ranking my number #2 of my redrafts(start year-end year)" cause why not?

The amount of Ducks picks in this first round is insane.