Lumix looks much more cinematic

@JoeSki42

6 ай бұрын

Totally, but I wonder how much of that comes down to the difference between the lenses used between the two? The lighting seems more diffused across the surface of the lens on the Lumix whereas on the RED we're getting these super defined lens flares which contributes to those really dark shadows and thus an overall higher sense of contrast. I suspect the hardware between the two isn't all that different.

@GreatNon-pd5ig

2 ай бұрын

No

@Max-mh5yo

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatNon-pd5ig are you the one, that always says: "No" ?

@GreatNon-pd5ig

2 ай бұрын

@@Max-mh5yo No

@elchestter4984

Ай бұрын

@@GreatNon-pd5igyes

The Lumix is a real powehouse when you consider the size and cost. The image looks great. Would love to see how the BRAW from it looks with a video assist.

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

I think if you edit in davinci resolve then the video assist is the way to go. But I do think that these editing programs have a responsibility to support professional codecs. The video assist vs the ninja I’ve had them both and I love the build quality of the assist but you seem to get a lot more options on the ninja. But I would love to do a comparison between braw and ProRes raw

@robertdouble559

9 ай бұрын

There's a guy who posted some braw s5iix footage a few months ago. Looked great. Handled detail so much better than the other codecs. I'll be investing in a video assist soon for sure.

@thatcameranerd

9 ай бұрын

@@robertdouble559 I do love blackmagic raw and how flexible it is. Works well in most editing programs and its great that the video assist works with SD cards

The Lumix has better low light equaling better shadows. You may need to add some contrast to the Lumix but they are back and forth as far as which on looks better. Some of the clips were out of focus slightly but I’ve decided the the S1 and Pocket 4k are my cameras of choice. I paid $1000 for each and can’t be happier!

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

This is my first Panasonic, I’ve herd good things about the S1 I’ve never used the 4k but I’ve just been grading some footage from in on a project and it seems to be very similar to the 6k in terms of look. That’s sounds like a great deal man

did you have a promist or sth similiar on the lumix? because all its footage has this bloom. makes the comparison a bit unfair imo

just wow, 1st side by side i said "this one looks so much better to me must be the RED" but oh lord it was the s5ii

Seems like you shot the Komodo with heavy ND filtering with no IR CUT. The colors on the Komodo footage look weird and its because you have a LOT of IR Pollution. Take a look at the skirt of the lady @ 8:13 (it looks reddish/brown) because of all the IR pollution, now look at the same shot with the Lumix @ 8:10, it looks black as it should.. Also the trees look yellowish, also because of the IR pollution. You need to use ND with IR CUT or a separate IR CUT filter on the Komodo. I have a Komodo and a V Raptor, both of the suffer from IR Pollution when Heavy ND is used with no IR CUT. Cheers!

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

Yes I did and agreed as mentioned in the video it would be great to use some better NDs with IR cut in. The URSA minin used to have a similar problem with IR pollution but on that even when renting filters with the IR cut in never seemed to eliminate the problem entirely

@yreyes1451

11 ай бұрын

@@thatcameranerd I hate when that happens. I have a RED Gemini as well and it does NOT suffer from IR Pollution even when using heavy ND with no IR CUT.

@creativegreatsvisuals

11 ай бұрын

I have Komodo what's a good ir cut filter ? I have a 82mm format hi tech ir cut filter

@creativegreatsvisuals

11 ай бұрын

I have fixed 82mm nd with mist filters but do u ever like using the ef to rf canon viable nd filters on Komodo ?

Great comparison mate. I’ve got the S5 and love it. If I could, I’d get the S5ii to go with it as a second cam. My B cam is currently the GH5 which I still love too! Good times in the world of indie filmmaking 👍🏼

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! This is my first Panasonic and I’m super impressed. I never got to use the GH5 but I’ve seen a lot of great footage from the camera. Really nice colours with the Panasonic cameras

Great video! Liked the Komodo better in most instances. That being said, I own the S5ii and I noticed that there is a slight haziness to the Lumix footage. Is that what you meant when you said the ND has a "milky" quality? Or was it the result of shooting in Raw format? Just wondering because I am thinking of buying an external recorder. Cheers!

It's just me or the Lumix looks more cinematic??... I think, in terms of color sciense, Lumix are like on the Arri's way: cinematic AF!!! hahaha.... The Red has more detail in the shadows in the high contrast shots (like the kitchen shot), that means little more dynamic range, but it has more noise too. Anyway, in ideal contitions, I think I prefer Lumix... for me, color science are the most important thing

The lumix win! the colour is so great and so cinematic!

Great Video. I am curious if slightly increasing contrast and saturation internally with lumix would be a closer match?

Wait a minute, if i use the same lut on both camera footage then wouldn't both look exactly the same? Newbie here!!

The colors on Komodo are AMAZING! just look at the greens shades

Great test. Can you upload and share some of these footage so we can compare on our end? I have Blackmagic Video Assist with my S5 and S1, but thinking about Ninja V and it's interesting how it's compares to red in post. Redcode is crazy flexible.

@thatcameranerd

9 ай бұрын

I can do that yes. I’m just moving house but I should have my internet up and running in the next few days so I’ll upload some clips and post the link here

Damn sure not a $4,000 difference

Red has more shadow detail, shadow is lifted too much with lumix....the shadow in red camera is clear, while lumix is fuzzy....and the highlight is waaay better with red, it has more dr up there too

Great video - surprised by the results. I highly recommend testing the VA. The raw on the S5iiX is equal to b-raw on the native Blackmagic cameras. If only the X had an OLPF!

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I can get hold of a VA and do a comparison. I love BRAW I had the Pocket 6K for a few years and it was a great codec. I’d also love to see the internal ProRes on the S5iiX and how that holds up.

@heroaomedia

11 ай бұрын

@@thatcameranerd Pro res won't look that different from internal - lots of owners of the S series have done that comparison - it's on when you get into PRR and B-raw that the results are drastically different :)

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

@@heroaomedia Really? I used to have a VA is should have kept it. Do you think the VA is a better option than the ninja?

@heroaomedia

11 ай бұрын

@@thatcameranerd oh yeah, especially on the s5iiX, the braw is as good as PRR. Gerald Undone did a video on it. I’ll never go back to shooting internal on the S1h

@nathancasey7712

8 ай бұрын

​@@heroaomediaWhy would pro res not look that different? It's like 1.9gbps lol. And the black magic cameras usually don't have olpf filters either right?

Colours on the lumix look much nicer to me. I borrowed a komodo from a rental house to try out. The ND in the ef/rf mount sucked, colour shiftvall over the place. User experience with komodo was nowhere near as good as "real" red cameras. It felt really cheap. Would no doubt be better with a proper red touch screen rather than the cheapo monitor in the kit I borrowed. Was enough to convince me to buy an s5iix for a fraction of the price of the komodo. Will probably buy a 2nd one soon for b cam.

@thatcameranerd

9 ай бұрын

It's a shame they didn't allow you to connect the RED monitors to reduce the cables you need and to free up the SDI for a second monitor. I feel like they didn't think it would be so widely adopted which is probably why they included a lot of what was missing in the komodo x

Is it possible to share links to the downloadable footage? Thanks

And why put a blue / purple grade on outside Komodo footage? Did you get paid by Lumix? I don't get it.

Interesting test. I just received my Panasonic S5IIx yesterday. Your test makes it unnecessary for me to test it vs my Komodo… but I am curious how it measures up to my Canon Eos R3, as both are mirrorless bodies. The Panasonic is an interesting camera.

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

It’s a great camera and with the internal ProRes the S5IIx is a really great camera for the price. I would have gone for that one but back in February when I got mine I was too impatient to wait. But I would love to try the X

ProRes RAW to CinemaDNG: rawconvertor or Assimilate Play Pro Studio.

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

Good option for people I think for some reason the s5m2 isn't supported in raw converter but the s5m2x is? I'm sure eventually it will be supported.

I could get the lumix looking more like the RED, somehow all your saturation is gone on the S5. The fstops and shutter speeds are not equal between these cameras.

Thanx! thats' a great compare! the comodo - looks live a real camcoder near the real fullframe! :) Hope people can see - the differens of the pictures! That's realy great to see diffirent between fullframe and super 35 in a simmilar way - like that! Thanx again!

@thatcameranerd

10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much 😁

Wow great video . LUMIX for the win 🥇

dang! well TBH I love how Komodo look but Lumix is such a grate look.

I'm still wondering why Red camera footage looks much more natural to the other brands. Their tone is warmer and they have some sort of organic look. I wonder if you can make a video how to make other video camera footage look like Red footage by grading them in post.

RED image superior in every way.. DR Colour etc. Are you using the Samyang on the S5? It has a low contrast haze to the image?

Beautiful dog.

The Komodo footage looks better. It has more dynamic range for sure

7:47 i actually like the A footage here better, am i alone in that haha, looks a little more filmic and softer more contrasty

I think the komodo could do better than this, but still a great comparison. Thanks for this, cool to see the S5ii prores RAW looking good! I think it will work fine next to my S1h.

Sorry i am not so fluent in english, but please : did you edit braw with resolve for fair-comparison ? Or just with Première? Thanks a lot

New Subscriber. Super cool idea, enjoyed it.

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Sub Mark, really appreciate it and glad you enjoyed the video

This is crazy, I thought Camera A was the LUMIX, the Kornrolldo looked less cinematic almost like colors were a little baked in

why it's so smoky in your house =))

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

That haze just seems to follow me wherever I go 😂

Seems the colours are not matched

lumix kicks ass but i dont know how good is it in photo mode....

LUMIX hands down

Hello could you send us the LUT that you added on the S5 II please, she is superb

Big up for the Freddy Krueger picture frame above your computer monitor.

@thatcameranerd

10 ай бұрын

I don't know if you can make it out but there is also a Freddy Krueger Figure on the shelf behind me

@davidmultimedia2024

10 ай бұрын

@@thatcameranerd I couldn’t see clearly, but I assume they were horror figures :p Nice!

looks like his house is about to burn down. Maybe go less on the smoke.

You forgot contrast on the lumix side. funny

Oh my... I prefer Lumix!

@thatcameranerd

5 ай бұрын

I genuinely this that the price to performance on the lumix is outstanding. You can get that camera on sale for around £1600. I can’t think of anything that comes close to it at that price. The Sony fx30 maybe but that’s over £2000 here in the uk

@davidsanchez1

5 ай бұрын

The first thing is to thank you for giving me a few words. I have the S1H, the S1 and I recently bought the S5IIx and I know what Lumix is capable of. But I couldn't imagine that a high-end camera like the Komodo would be worse for my taste...@@thatcameranerd

@thatcameranerd

5 ай бұрын

@davidsanchez1 when I got the 5sII the 5sIIx wasn’t out yet but part of me does wish I’d waited. Internal ProRes would have been great. I think the colours you get straight out of the lumix are some of my favourite. The ability to shoot pro-res raw is also a really nice option.

Oh hello - my kinda stuff 🥰 where abouts in UK are you?

@thatcameranerd

7 ай бұрын

I’m based just north of London

I find the Red footage so much more gorgeous. I cannot wait for the day where we have one-click LUTs to mimic its look. It’s fascinating how little attention is given to Red’s insane colors. The footage has something going for it that’s as elusive and unquantifiable as the highly controversial film look.

@prismcollectionmusic

8 ай бұрын

cinematch...

@Dstonephoto

8 ай бұрын

@@prismcollectionmusic idk man . To what extent (im definitely open to trying it out until i can afford a Red) do you think Cinematch works emulating Red? I find the entire domain equally interesting but underwhelming . Curious if the Filmbox geniuses have a take on it. It does open a lot of doors and questions about semsor response and filter arrays, tho.

@prismcollectionmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@Dstonephoto I've been emulating different cameras to get better starting points for grading. My favourite is C-log 2 on the C200. The Komodo one looks pretty good especially with your pick of transform LUT from the red website applied afterwards. I mostly like the canon better because it seems to work better with film colours. Oh and I tried a red komodo x in a shop and was able to match it really well to R6 and GH5

@Dstonephoto

8 ай бұрын

@@prismcollectionmusic So here's the multi-part, million dollar question: do these techniques only work when you're matching two cameras (and have the prerequisite shot from the Red); or can does it work without a referrence in the same way a LUT would work? Did you accomplish this by trial and error ? Is there a place where people discuss this? I got about 25% of the way through some of the liftgammagain etc 25 page long threads on film emulation and just noped out of it ultimately as it became challenging to discern pragmatism from mental chess. Alright, thanks for replying. Appreciate it. I find this stuff super fascinating yet very little discussion on it. Makes you wonder if this stuff would work matching Canon / Nikon stills to Hasselblad X or Leica S colors as well and whether the premium companies have more engineering or better specs out of the gate -- or if this is all doable with software tweaks - and to what extent. Thanks so much for the info, seriously

@prismcollectionmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@Dstonephoto Hmm ...I think it's better with a reference but can work perfectly without, depending on the cameras in question. The things that might throw it off are different lenses/speedboosters and different dynamic range as far as I can tell.

Tbh I kinda like the lumix in most situations in this video I like the red for the color but the lumix quality

Another great vid Mark ! I'm a big lumix fan, but I do love the komodo, it just looks great and you get all that extra flexibility from red raw. I do think the difference in colours where big although it was most likely the filters as you mentioned at the start of the video, would love to see some example using the same nd filter

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

I would say there is definitely a big difference in the colour that comes of the cameras even without the filters. The Panasonic I think gives you some of the most natural colours straight out of the camera but like you said with the RAW on the Komodo’s you will get that flexibility in the grade. Really wish that ProRes raw was supported in davinci so that you could really push it. But until they decide to support it your kinda stuck with grading in premiere or converting to something like ProRes

@stuartswindellcampoy8483

Жыл бұрын

@@thatcameranerd do you think they don't support it because of braw? Like they're pushing people to use the braw recorder for Panasonic or just shoot black magic ?

@thatcameranerd

Жыл бұрын

@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 I think it must have something to do with Braw. But as a colour grading/editing program it makes sense for them to support codecs so I think with time and if more cameras start using ProRes Raw they will eventually add support. Premiere Pro has very few options for what you can do with prores raw and if you want all the normal raw options then you would need to use final cut. But I saw the latest update of premiere has more support for arri raw now so its probably going to become more supported over time

@stuartswindellcampoy8483

Жыл бұрын

@@thatcameranerd yeah true with time it should come to all editing programs , atleast that's all we can hope for

Lumix seems shitty, no contrast, milky. It's the plain lot or is it brought to rec709? If it's untouched V Log i can understand.

muddy shadows on S5 compared to RED

prores raw in resolve? - never gonna happen :)

komodo need a ir pollution filter

Color science = lumix wins

komodo looks better

Today get 5iix love this body in arm. Thanks for the video

@thatcameranerd

10 ай бұрын

Amazing enjoy the camera, wish I had the x but I was to impatient 😂

I'm pretty surprised....I liked the colors out of the komodo more but it was more of a preference and not like " oh the s5ii looks bad compared to the komodo".

@thatcameranerd

11 ай бұрын

Yea I think both cameras look great and they match up well I’ve been using the Lumix as a b-cam for a while now and they grade together really well

The S1H looks horrible.

@contentm3893

4 ай бұрын

That's because you can make any camera look bad.