Quick update on my setup: I have recently switched to Cubase 12 (long story short it is basically better for stuff I record imho, still love the FLStudio and no hate towards it) and it actually worked for me so now I don't need the workaround explained in the video. Somehow even though I am using same kit, same interface, same UMC Asio driver and same computer the buffer size can go down even to 128 samples and it just works (even at 256 samples the latency is so low that it is totally playable and I really mean unnoticable. It's not 'good enough'. It really is amazing). It is huge as technically I can now even play live with the Steven Slate Drums tone and it is not cracking or glitching. I am not sure why there would be a difference when I am using literally the same driver but it must be somehow DAW related, I don't have another explanation. Just thought I will mention it. All the best to you folks!

Omg, dude, thanks. Today I was setting my new e-drums and had a hard time thinking how to deal with the midi latency. This is a very useful way! Thanks !

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help Bro! :D all the best to you!

Ok, I rewatched your method and I understand that you avoid any drum software latency by disabling it on your daw while recording and instead listening to your electronic kit analog sounds. You then enable the drum software and listen to your midi recording with the software sounds. My question, you never play on the grid...to a tempo in the daw ? Do you play to other audio tracks ? What do you do with the midi recorded ? do you render it as a wav file ? I am thinking of trying your method.

I think I need to try and accomplish something similar. Learning about all this technical stuff is draining, thank you for the great video!

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment man, if you need anything hit me up!

@Drummerbrah16

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacekjmazur After years of putting off getting involved in this stuff, I realize I need to acquire these skills so I can collaborate with talented musicians again. I'm finally putting some energy into this skill I've admired from afar for so long. I'd greatly appreciate any help!

Brilliant. Thanks! Looks like FL Studio as well so this vid really helped as you are using the same DAW that I am. Cheers bro!

Cleaver. I will definitely try this. Thanks

Was just thinking of how to do this today so I could listen to my guitar tracks and drum to it without latency. Great vid. It really is the only way. You think you can handle latency but man, even if it is off by a fraction of a second it messes your timing.

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

You are so right. Latency is a b***h! Glad it helped, hope you enjoyed it too. All the best to you!

I'm sad that this is the best solution I've seen so far! haha. I might have to try it though, nothing else is working. At least it's monitored without latency, then I can go and fix/quantize or whatever. What a doozy! :)

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Please note that this is the last resort solution if you haven't sorted out your drivers out. I don't want to sound like old grandpa but this is actually true: Firstly ALWAYS make sure that dedicated sound card drivers from soundcard producer are installed before attempting to look for workarounds like this! If they are up to date but it's still bad then there you go - this video is for you and I am glad that it helped! All the best to you!

Bro thank you!!!!!! I've been trying to figure this out for hours! I just bought my alesis nitro mesh kit to trigger slate drums in reaper and couldn't even play because of how bad the latency was. I do this trick with my fractal fm3 when recording and it works perfectly. I'm gonna give this a try tomorrow and see if it works. I'm confident it will. Thanks again

@jacekjmazur

Жыл бұрын

That's great man! Please remember to have all the drivers up to date before attempting any workarounds like this one! Download dedicated drivers from the producer (or at least regular ASIO) and tweak the buffer sizes. If it still sucks then you will find the video handy :)

@jasonwright4144

Жыл бұрын

@@jacekjmazur Yeah I did literally all of that, and it worked a little bit. But when i went to go play drums to the song im working on the latency made it unusable. Thanks again 🙏

@jasonwright4144

Жыл бұрын

@@jacekjmazur Finally had some free time today to test everything and it works PERFECTLY! Thanks again :)

@jacekjmazur

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonwright4144 Great to hear! All the best to you Jason! :D

Good idea!

Cool stuff. I really hope this works out on my end. I've been dealing with this for too long.

@jacekjmazur

Жыл бұрын

I hope it will! If you need anything let me know, I'll do my best to help!

Super helpful!

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

So glad!! Really! :D

Yes!

This could be the exact video ive been waiting for! Ive bought a cheap Tourtech TT20M e-kit and tried to record with Cubase 13 pro using VST Hertz Drums. Its actually unusable the latecny is terrible. I cant even quantize it as its so far out.. By your video I need to get the audio jack out of my e-kit back into the input of my interface and use the headphones out of the same interface to hear everything without latency? Am I correct?

@jacekjmazur

5 ай бұрын

Hey there. Yeah, pretty much what you have described. Still, before using this solution as a last resort I would look for dedicated drivers and investigate further in general to see if there is anything else that can be done. My video helps with avoiding the latency completely but the main cost is the fact that you are monitoring the drum sounds from your drum module and this is not always ideal for everyone (you get those fancy libraries for a reason!). Try different buffer sizes (around 256 is the sweetspot for me), make sure your ASIO driver is up to date and test things out. I have recorded this video while I was still working in FLStudio and after switching to Cubase 12 Pro the issue was simply gone, same computer, same setup, same interface, but different DAW. I am almost sure that you will be able to find a solution without having to use my workaround!

Thanks for the ifo.

Hey brother, what exact cable do you use to run from the drum module to the interface? And is that cable connected to your headphone jack on the module? I’m trying to accomplish the same goal in this video, as I’m also using fl studio.

@jacekjmazur

3 жыл бұрын

Hey! The cable I am using is the stereo jack on one side and two cinches that go into converter, which changes it into mini jack. This just makes it stereo a jack-jack cable with 1/4 on one end (interface) and 1/8 on the other (drum module). It is indeed connected to the headphone jack on the drum module as this is the only output on this one. The headphones are connected to the interface where I monitor everything from FLS plus the raw TD1DMK tones with no delay. Notes are recorded with the USB-B into piano roll. I saw your video (quite amazing playing btw!) and your module is a beast. If I had sth like that I would probably use one of those cables where it has 2x 1/4 jacks on one end (mono) and go into 1x 1/4 on the other (stereo), or two separate standard jacks if you have 2 inputs on interface. Let me know if you've managed to sort it out and hit me if you have some more questions! ;) Cheers!

@iseeyoukev7925

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacekjmazur Thank you so much bro! I really appreciate the response...I will definitely try out those methods you just described and get back to you if I have any questions...appreciate you brother 🙏

thank youu

I'm a big fan

You can use quantization on your DAW too. It helps.

Nice share here, Jack. Very much appreciated. BUT, there is another latency here, and that is the fact that your drums TRANSDUCE a physical signal via their sensors (mechanical movement that creates voltage) and tell the drum module to TRIGGER the production of a sound from a digital file that is that sound/sample. THAT sample is D/A-converted and sent to the outputs. It may be pretty low latency, but it's there. I generally just nudge files in my DAW to compensate, in the end. The only e-drum noise you will ever hear that isn't delayed is the noise your pads make on their own when you hit them, unfortunately. For what it's worth, I record my TD-17 (or any module) into my DAW via BOTH the USB-MIDI on its own track AND the audio directly from the module into my soundcard (via a mixer send to the soundcard). When I look at the two tracks (MIDI and audio), they are generally close in the DAW track timing, but the audio picture is about 10-20 milliseconds behind the MIDI picture! SO, let's look at that! The drumpad is transduced from a voltage into 1) a MIDI command, and 2) a D/A output of the sound by the TD module. I'm still trying to find out if those two digital executions take the same time! I think it's close, but let's think about what it means for my DAW to show me an audio track! You guessed right: another conversion. The audio signal sent by the TD module goes into the PC and gets converted from analog audio to digital data, and it is then written to the track. When it's played back, it goes through another conversion, back to analog, BUT SO DO THE OTHER TRACKS IN MY DAW, so this little aspect cancels out. SO, I just generally pull all of my drum tracks and the MIDI back by about 10 ms and hope the rest is me not being a good drummer (late hits)! Fun advantages of digital are actually challenging timing situations for good drummers (and therefore NOT so challenging for me!). Heck, I justify the latency by saying I'm "in the pocket" with the lag! Blessings!

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Very educational! I do agree as you are totally right my friend. While my video is aiming at avoiding the monitoring latency to record in peace with no delay there STILL IS that little slide on the piano roll which does need moving back a tiny bit after recording. I don't mind it that much personally but mentioning it would've been a good idea! One fix related to monitoring comfort that I have done since I have recorded the video was changing the mono jack into stereo. Now signal leaves the module through 1/8 stereo and splits it into 2x mono 1/4 jacks which I plug into separate inputs on the interface allowing me to record in stereo directly from module. I didn't really mind monitoring in mono previously because I don't use default TD-1 tones (which aren't bad but are far from Steven Slate Drums/Superior Drummer/ EZDrummer level plus editing is definitely easier in piano roll) but there is more comfort in monitoring which can help with them being like they should be which is in stereo. Thanks for a brilliant comment! All the best!!!

So this means that the drum sound you set on the pc side goes back to the digital drum sistem ?

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. I'm just using the onboard Roland tones to monitor so I hear those while record notes via USB. It is just a fancy way of plugging it in really which allows to work in regular recording manner (with the DAW) but not being bothered by latency. I have come long way since that video and I have managed to find a driver which helped me to actually make it work without this workaround but I know people still have trouble with it. It was a dedicated Behringer driver which they either updated in the meantime or I have not found when I should've. Still this vid helps ppl and I am really happy for that.

@pierrejeanes

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacekjmazur so, in the case of a live performance the drummer Man hear it with latency?

@jacekjmazur

2 жыл бұрын

@@pierrejeanes No, but the vst still will be slighlty delayed.