Paul i am on arafat right now practicing my haj, and i praied for you, may Allah cement your iman and may Allah entered us aljannah with our beloved and greatest prophit (pbuh)

@BloggingTheology

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Alhamdulillah!

@syedqadri4467

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Make dua for the ummah bro. We’re only as strong as the weakest amongst us.

Wow masha Allah ustaz Paul, non stop high quality content.

@abdullahaziz3659

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🏓🏊🚴📖

Justin Parrott - a fascinating guest well-versed in various Islamic topics, including qadr/predestination. The way he articulates things is straightforward and easy to grasp. Thanks so much, brother Paul, for yet another cool video 👍 Your content always adds useful insight, as nourishment, to my brain cells 😇 May Allah reward you. Ameen.

@fatimapetersen2036

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Salaam . I seem to agree with Dennis. My simple understanding ofqadaa and qadr is based on our Creator being all knowing. From surah kahf one can understand that He knew what would have happened if he had allowed the son to grow up. Allah, ofcourse decrees the natural phenomena, the natural disasters, how long we live, when we will die, how 'perfecr" we are at birth etc, etc. But we have free choice to govern our lives, not forgetting that our actions impact o the lives of others. And as the learned scholar had said: in the aaghrah, the playing fields will be leveled, whereby each individual will be judged against the background of What hand he was dealt. Allah being the most just judge of all. That is beside the fact that duah can effect changes of Allah's decree and because Allah is all knowing, , he knew we were going to to make duah. So even that was also written

Words can not describe how grateful I am for this channel, may The All mighty preserve you and your work Paul.

سبحان الله الحمد لله لا إله إلا الله الله أكبر ولا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم Masha'allah Masha'Allah My God protect you Very nice talk Thank you Jazakum Allah khier

Dear Paul, Alhamdulillah I made duas for you on the day of Arafa yesterday, here in Makkah. Currently we are spending the night in the open air in Muzdalifa. May Allah reward you for all the good that you are doing. May Allah put ( barakah )abundance in your knowledge. Aameen

Bismillah. I have been fortunate to see this in a very simple manner. One has to accept that Allah knows all outcomes of each choice you can make. You can decide to go straight, left, right or backwards. No matter which you decide Allah knows every possible outcomes of each choice and subsequent choices that follow. But should we stray and ASK for forgiveness Allah will grant that forgiveness.

@johnbrzykcy3076

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I'm a Christian believer and I like your view. I like where you said that God "knows all outcomes of each choice you make." This makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing. Peace of God to you.

@blueblubber6607

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@Dennis Jones "One has to accept that Allah knows all outcomes of each choice you make" If I understand your interpretation correctly one could compare it with a chess game where God is kind of a supercomputer knowing all possible moves in advance (a number estimated to be between 10^111 and 10^123). Under this assumption God would indeed know each possible outcome but he would neither be able to predict an individual move nor who would win. So he would NOT be all(!)-knowledgeable.

@quranrecitation4685

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May Allah forgive us,Ameen

@DePeaceHunter

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This is exactly how I see it. Finally someone with similar thought as mine. The similarity is almost like the video games. In video games everything already predetermined by the game maker. The settings, the environtment, the scripts, the characters and their choices etc etc. All predetermined. As player you can't do something outside what the game maker has designed. Yet you can still end the game with different result each time you play them depends on how you play them. Whether you Win or lose, Whether you get 100 points or 1000 points, its all on you. Yet they are still predetermined. Our lives is like a game only with far far more complexity. Different is its not meaningless, Allah degree everything with purpose.Allah knows how we're going to "play" it. Be sincere player and dont be arrogant to read the "manual" and inshaAllah we'll be guided on how to win it. The prize is to get to live in Heaven. Not because we worth it for the way we play it, but because Allah is merciful....he rewards us with something that is far more what we deserve.

@DePeaceHunter

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@@bengreen171 Nothing inconsistent about it. Everything still act according to His Will regardless which way you choose. You can take path A, path B or path C. Its on you. But all 3 paths has been predetermined by Allah. So whichever path you take you are still act according to His will. And Allah knows which path you're going to take.

Justin's dailyhadithonline is my go-to whenever I find difficulty in finding a hadith

All of the answers to these questions in Qur'an Ayaths as a whole are very easy to understand for those who use want Guidencnce who reason who think and who have knowledge 😇 Very nice research, May God help us to the truth to himself to His Kalam.

Paul, Thank you so much this great interview.

Aslm excellent talk.... Jus the man's character tells u what Islam has done for him.... Wow may Allah bless us all inshallah

discussing about the divine decree always fascinate me..tqvm for the video 👍😁

This is the only concept in deen that I haven’t been able to understand but alhamdulillah it doesn’t bug me whatsoever. Allah is most wise and the best of planners. JazakAllahu khairan as always Paul. I literally make dua for you brother.

@cracked4957

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actually its beyond our capacity of understanding

@HotwheelsReviewsGuy

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We are bound by time and thus follow a linear sequence. Allah SWT created time and as such is not bound by its laws. Hence there is no linear view of how it plays out. Allah knows everything that will happen because 1. He created us 2. Is not limited by having to view time from a linear perspective. This doesn't inhibit our ability to make choices to lead us down different paths.

@IK7.

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Same brother. I can relate to it.

@saidhashi2856

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Please read the ahadith and verses of Quran concerning Qadar/predestination. Also look at what scholars said about this subject. With this background knowledge, all your questions are answered and doubts cleared. Shukran.

@sammu

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@@saidhashi2856 I don’t have any doubts about it alhamdulillah.

Brother Paul, thankyou for the video. May Allah gives rahmah and barakah to your work. May you still always in ikhlas in doing your work. Aameen.

Overwhelming topic. Thanks to Paul and the guest Jazakallah khair!

Mr. Parrott it was a privilege listening to your words and analysis. Serious enlightening for me. Fascinating subject, could have been listening for hours. Many thanks. 👍🏽😘

Ma sha Allah... full of knowledge.. surprise to see such a brilliant researcher.. may Allah reward you with jannah.. ameen

Another fantastic discussion full of erudition and illumination. Thank you. God is good.

Very helpful video. it has given so much clarity abt Al Qadr.

الحمد لله الذي جعلني أحضى بمشاهدة وسماع مثل هذه المذاكرات القيمة. بارك الله فيكم.

Stunning episode Paul

A very beautiful discussion. May Allah bless the two gentle men.

My favourite hadith search engine..Love both of you for Allah sake. Barakallahufeekum

Paul,i understood the reality of qadr from the role playing games, where you play a character and that character have to choose from two or more options at every moment in a pre written story line, in a normal RPG game there would be atleast 10 or more prewritten story lines i suppose. But imagine what Allah can offer us, millions of pre written story lines ie qadr and when we are in a story line, we are presented with multiple options at every moment .qadrullahi masha3faal ,Allahu Akbar I don't know whether this is how qadr works exactly, Allahu aalam,may Allah guide us all.

@khairiaris

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I can relate.. Telltale Game of Thrones, Mass Effect series, Witcher 3.. They have elements of choice there, but does not change the plot in the overarching story..

@abuakmal9618

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If human mind can programme such a story line based on certain number of choices made by the player, imagine the best 'programmer' of all.

@sutil5078

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Mikk Q, here is my answer, and Reddy i did not understand your second paragraph "and when you.." I see what you all mean, I can add that I taught one on one bases for years as an extra job, and I could tell who would pass this interview.. or that language test, maybe at 95% but to break it down, some I know 100% they won't pass if their level is so low or even just low, and others that they will pass if their level is so high and articulate etc.. so if a teacher knows that much imagine what Allah knows, because He knows our inner hidden motives, our lies (to ourselves) to do this or that, or fake excuses, or pure intention when we do something, etc.. so he would know what we will choose. The alternative is what? he dictates our actions? NO, because that is contrary to justice, and we know from Quran that Allah is Just and perfect Judge. if we have that sense of justice , tiny creatures, imagine what God knows about Justice.

@khairiaris

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@@mickqQ Known to the Almighty yes. The stage is set,yes, but we choose the roles we wanna play within the plot...

@aqe7914

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@@mickqQ Two attributes here in play. The Creator and All Knower. Creator has given us free will, however He accurately estimated what will happen and recorded. God predicting things doesn’t mean he is forcing, makes sense? Allahu A’lam.

MashaAllah. May Allah bless the Presenter and the Host. I have this in my head for two decades. Bringing in qadar and sadaqah to change qadar. That brings to my thought ‘Allah: the Almighty Programmer’. The ‘if then else’ statement in programming , gives the assurance of everything been written by Allah, though, we don’t know what is been written for us but by our actions, the appropriate qadar happens upon us. I thank and appreciate my brpther, Dr Musab Isah Mafara for recommending this kind and important video.

Another fantastic video. Always a fascinating subject, the interplay between Allah's decree and our choices.

Great discussion and content 👏🏾

Salaam Alaikum br Paul , it is such a pleasure to listen to this young man , so young and so peaceful and so knowledgeable. Thanks again .

@BloggingTheology

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Wa alaykumu s-salam

Keep up the good works, paul👍

Great video, as always...

Super ! Thanks Paul...!

Thank you mestar pul

This is one of the most debated titles in Islam. Good pick paul. Watching it now.

Two Nice Gentlemen discussing the Nice Subject of Divine Qadar and man’s Freewill, and that’s wonderful. What I have understood is that everything is in Allah’s Hands whether it is “making or breaking”. No escape for man however intelligent he might be and powerful he might be. Anyone who wants to save himself it is better to submit to His Will and obedience. So Fear Him as He deserves to be feared, love Him more than anything else and put your hope and trust in Him as there is nothing beyond Him which can help. He is The First and Final Refuge. If you get this right salvation is yours. InshaAllah.

Blogging at 11:47 I love how you laughed after hearing that simple argument.. so funny, I did too. I remember I was debating an atheist acquaintance talking about disasters etc, I said you know you are right, why children dies at young age and others dies old, he said "see!! Now you are getting what I mean" I said yes yes.. and some have poor health and others are strong, and he replied with encouragement to my thought, I said and some are tall and others are short, some are beautiful and others are not, or think of some are poor and other are rich or think about intelligence some are intelligent and others are not.. he got suspicious and said "are you joking or do you mean what you say" I said en essence you are asking for: HEAVEN in advance, right now! if we all were able to choose we will be one copy , live eternally , all beautiful, tall, rich, intelligent, healthy, young etc... In essence what you really demanding is that you, utterly tiny creature, who did not create the universe nor made .000001 of it, dictate how to run this life instead of God Almighty. He did not have a reply to that.

@mayurpatel9458

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Dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

@saidhashi2856

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Beautiful logic....heaven in advance..... hahaha😅

@sutil5078

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Said brother, thank you, may Allah love you, grant you success in both world, and your family and loved ones, amin.

This is a very interesting topic in aqeeda which is الإنسان بين المسيّر و المخيّر

Justin has my favourite video from 'divine decree in islam' video. I remember Paul read his article :)

Thanks!

Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatouLLAHI wa barakatouHOU Hello

Salams Paul:) Another great video brother. There is literally a big difference of opinion regarding the definition of القضاء Qadhaa and القدر Qadar. Infact one school Iike the Asharis or the Matureedis is divided on it but of course a healthy difference of opinion:) The debate is which comes first out of these 2 based on their definitions and Sheikhul Islam says that when not used together they mean the same thing but when used together the have separate meanings. The majority opinions are that القدر is the general Divine pre-knowledge of everything and their destiny i.e., Predestination. As for القضاء then this is the actualisation of the nitty gritty details of that general divine predestination. The other reverses this upon itself. I’ve read a lot of Arabic books and Imam Al-Ghazali is one of my most favorite Imams and his Arabic is the same as Ibn Al-Jawzy there is zero dialect difference this is absurd! These differences in dialects became infused into Classical Arabic as we know it and all dialects became part of the whole! You cannot get dictionaries based on the different dialects of Arabia rather if a word was spoken by any tribe it was recorded in the dictionary with its proof from poetry or even Prophetic Hadith and of course the Quran and its 7 dialects. This is the strangest thing I ever heard in my life :) The educated Arabs today as I do myself speak Modern Standard Arabic which is Classical Arabic according to classical grammar but with all the terminology invented by scholars of the various fields from Fiqh to Medicine and Surgery to Mathematics and Geography according to the rules of morphology and logic because logic plays a big role in coining technical terms. This includes modern word usage that is not slang an example off the top is فَتَّاحَةٌ it is a noun of exaggeration according to the root فَتْحٌ which means to open and today it means a can or bottle opener. It’s a word which means an opener, unlocker, conqueror applied to humans and inanimate things or concepts and here the Taa of femininity is added to single it out as a noun as is done with other Arabic words when coining terms. The result is that Classical Arabic is Alive and spoken by millions of Arabs and non Arabs but only the educated ones because the ignorant ones who don’t Finnish school or don’t sit at the feet of scholars to learn speak slang and every Arab country has its own slang! Slang is corruption of Arabic and its ghastly and should be contested and wiped out with education! The companions would have an emotional minute or two if they were alive to hear this slang because it goes against all the massive efforts they made in preserving the Quran and the language it was revealed in! The codification of Arabic grammar and it’s application upon the Mushaf in the form of diacritical marks according to the 7 Quranic dialects was instigated by the companions and brought to fruition by the next 2 blessed generations and slang is a slap in the face to all three of those blessed generations! It’s a serious matter. So there is no dialectical difference between Al-Ghazali and Ibnul Jawzi رحمهما الله but I’d welcome anyone to try and dispute this! Moving on from this I have to say that I think it’s great inviting all these different people from different upbringings and from different Islamic perspectives and persuasions! Great stuff Brother Paul:)

Subhan'Allah 🕋 what a wisdom!

Thanks

تحياتي لك سيد بول وضيفك الكريم

I enjoyed this overmuch. Thanks. Will proceed to read his 20-pages paper. His disclosure and you comments added in echoes many of the Christian thoughts and realities. Paul's conversion on the road Damascus from bad work to good work is one of them. God can turn things around. Limitation of the human mind, mysteries and choose of the lesser evil are others. His paper on the modern thinking of mindfulness should be interesting. Dawah gentlemen in Speakers Corner reject mysteries all together. Here we have another young learned Muslim Justin Parrott accepts mysteries. I wonder if the Holy Spirit is working in the background. " Success comes Allah and Allah knows Best" quoted from Justin's paper.

Dear Paul; AOA Bro; you are doing an amazing and thoughtful work at higher intellectual level. Jaza ka Allah Khyran for sharing Bro. Here is list of few more scholars to discuss various fascinating topics in future slowly but surely…1. Dr Omar Suleiman of Yaqeen institute dallas TX 2. Imam Siraj Wahhaj from NY 3. Dr Ingrid Mattson, Professor and Chair at university of Western Ontario, Ontario, Canada 4. Imam Abdool Rahman Khan, ICNA, NYC 5. Naeem Baig, Ex President of ICNA, NY, USA. Thank you so much dear Bro Paul and keep up the wonderful work. Many people are enjoying your insightful discussions on various complex topics….

Mashallah 🥰

Love from India.

Our scholars have said Qadar (devine decree) is the secret of Allah and whoever tries to make sense of it, is like someone trying to look at the rays of the sun to make sense of it. He will only get dazed and blinded than learning anything from it. Predestination is a subject we have little knowledge of and Allah intended that way. The more you focus on it the more you get confused. The Prophet s.a.w rebuked severely when he saw two companions arguing about the devine decree. He asked them is that why you were created? To focus on Qadar? Qadar is like the human soul. We know very little of it. Therefore, believers are required to believe in Qadar but not dwell too much in it. As it's a secret of God which is hidden from us.

I see two concepts regarding freewill: First, ALLAH has control over all things, and nothing happens out of his will. Second, ALLAH has willed us humans to have freewill. So, our freedom to choose is subject to ALLAH’s will. ALLAH gave us that freedom and ALLAH can take it away. We have freedom to choose because ALLAH gave us that freedom. I also see two concepts regarding Qader (predestination). Things that we choose to do either to ourselves or others is not something that ALLAH has predestined for us to do, but rather due to the freedoms given to us that allowed us to make these choices. However, in his infinite power and knowledge, ALLAH knows what choices that we will make. However, his knowledge of the choices we make is not controlling the choices we make. For example, we now have knowledge to accurately predict the weather in the next few days or weeks. Our knowledge of what the weather will be like does not mean we are controlling it. Having said that, the choices we make out of our freewill can be predestination for someone else and that is the second concept. The second concept is predestination which is something that happens out of your control. For example, if someone walking down the street and suddenly a car stops, and a man comes out and shoots that person dead. The person who got killed had no control over the actions of the other person, it was predestined for him to be killed at that time and place. However, the person who killed him was not predestined to commit that act, he did it out of his free will. So, the same act can be considered predestination for one person and an exercise of freewill for another. However, both could not have happened without ALLAH’s permission. Natural disasters and other acts that we have no control of are considered things that we are predestined to experience. Things that we freely choose to do are not predestined and ALLAH has knowledge of all things before they happen, good or bad. For example, climate change is not considered predestined, but the outcome of our actions and the things we have done that caused climate change. Lastly, there are two concepts for good and bad. There is ALLAH’s view of what is good and bad and there is human’s view of what is good and bad. Humans tend to tie good and bad to this material world. We see having more money is good, doing everything you want is good, not having any difficulty is good. We see having no pain and no problems as good and had is the opposite of all of that. Good and bad to ALLAH is different. To ALLAH, having more money can be good and can be bad. To ALLAH, having no pain and no problems can be good or bad. Money can corrupt a person by making him forget about the hereafter and then end up in hell. Money can be used to help others like feeding the hungry for the sake of ALLAH and this is good. There is more that I would like to add but maybe later.

@robertjsmith

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confirmation bias

please, when will the video be uploaded on daniel 9 with MrAtaie? we have been looking forward to see it

@david-nm5gd

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Ye ah, you are right we are looking forward to it

Really great topic Masha'Allah. It makes so much sense too. Just one request- I appreciate a lot of your content Paul and it being very informative, just wish you had more female guests to speak on various topics... I think throughout your channel you've only had two. And these guests don't have to be confined to 'female' topics...

@BloggingTheology

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Great suggestion! I have a female guest coming on soon inshallah.

I’m reading through the comments and it’s interesting how everyone reconciles the idea with different understandings. Firstly, God does godly things. This is one of those things. The prophet warned us about trying dive too deep into Qadr. We’re just not capable of fully understanding it. Considering that, a reconciliation I often think about is Qadr and Time are intertwined, and Allah exists beyond time and space, from that godly perspective, it only makes sense that Allah would have knowledge of everything in a manner that is beyond human imagination.

Our actions and decisions are within God knowledge. So, what ever of our actions and decisions, we are confirming what God knows are right.

Salam Paul, Would you make a video or recommend me a list of books on Quranic manuscript and preservation of Quran by Academivs

Could you please share the link of the book mentioned mid discussion. Thanks 🙏

ماشاء الله

Qadarallaahu wa Masya Fa'Ala

SubhanAllah

The example from Neil Degrasse Tyson that Brother Elias mentioned is the earthquake of Lisbon in 1755 which had a profound effect on the growth of theodicy in Western civilization.

Believing in Qadar is a liberating and indeed is a mercy from Allah. This is because whenever a bad situation happens in your life or you fail to attain something you worked hard for; instead of blaming yourself or complaining or becoming sad; you rather say: it's the will of God, and whatever God decrees happens. With this realization you stop being sad and heavy load is lifted from your shoulders. You feel liberated and hopeful for some better days ahead.

@EagleScully

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This basically is saying our free will has no impact on the choices we make since Allah chooses the outcomes. So no point in trying in life when Allah chooses everything for you. An example would be that a human being born with a disability or other health problems, they never got to choose how to be born.

Great

"The foolish reject what they see,not what they think The wise reject what they think,not what they see " Huang Po

@saidhashi2856

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Well, have you seen a human soul/spirit?? No! But you think it's there and exists. Are you stupid? 😅

لا إله إلا الله والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده

A fine set of brothers

Please Daniel 9 with Mr Ataie?

Remember Palestine in our Dua 🖤 🇵🇸 🤍 ﺟَﺰَﺍﻙَ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﺧَﻴْﺮًﺍ

mashallah

Allah has (decreed)the conditions and limitations to all people places and things. (Will)is the ability to choose to comply or deny Allah’s decree (play it at your own risk)

Subhaanallaah!

We as humans have a very limited knowledge. It's impossible for our minds to comprehend how Allah SWT makes things happen. This is where our Iman plays role to give us a peace of mind. We totally submit to the will and wisdom of Allah SWT. Let's not allow shaitan take advantage of our weaknesses and misguide us.

It is said about st. Augustine that he once set out to understand God, & then he found a troubled kid by the lake who had dug a small hole besides it. Augustine asked this kid what was troubling him & the kid answered:" I want to put all this water from the lake, into this hole that I have dug." Augustine was like "are you crazy kid? is this even possible?" & the kid replied to him: "isnt the same what you are set out here to do, Augustine? Trying to understand the mysteries of God with that little brain of yours?" Brother Paul is right, somethings are above our pay grade.

Oh Boy the most difficult topic, let’s dive into it

An important distinction will be made between the two Arabic terms al-qadar and al-qdaa". In traditional theology the two terms were normally regarded as synonyms, both indiscriminately expressing the notion of ‘predestination’, which humans have to accept submissively since God’s predestination of all things on earth is unfathomable. We propose to revise the alleged synonymity between the two terms and redefine them as follows: the term that expresses the notion of Allah’s ‘predestination’ is only al-qadar, whereas al-qdaa" refers to decisions that are taken, or ‘determined’ by human beings. While the former characterizes God’s laws in the objective reality of the universe, the latter symbolises the existence of free will in human activities in this world. “All things are from Allah.” But what has come to these people that they fail to understand a single fact. (Al-Nisa" 4:78) Whatever good, (O man!) happens to you, is from Allah, but whatever evil happens to you, is from yourself. And we have sent you as a mes- senger to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness. (Al-Nisa" 4:79) The first verse, by stating that ‘wherever you are, death will find you out’, makes it clear that truth is absolute and independent from human acts, be they for or against it. Death will ‘find people out, wherever they are’. ‘What has come to these people that they fail to understand a single fact (hadith)’, asks the verse. Note the term hadith here, a term that we defined as relating to al-quran. And indeed, the first verse does not talk about good and evil in human behaviour but about good and evil in objective reality, the existence of life and death, of angels and the devil, which all have their origin in Allah. ‘Say: “All things are from Allah.”’ This verse talks about al-qadar. The second verse, however, talks about good and evil in human behaviour. Whereas in objective reality angels (symbolising good) and the devil (evil) are both essential parts of the truth, and no preference exists for either of the two, angels are supposed to compete with the devil in what humans do. In saying, ‘Whatever good, (O man!) happens to you, is from Allah, but whatever evil happens to you, is from yourself’, the verse acknowledges a distinction between ‘what is from Allah’ and ‘what is from human beings’, and an autonomy in human acts. The following verse will give us an indication as to why it is so significant to distinguish between the al-qadar and al-qdaa": Thy Lord has decreed [qdaa] that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. (Al-Isra" 17:23) This is clearly an instruction that people have a choice whether to follow it and treat their parents respectfully or reject it and do the opposite. It is the realm of ‘worship none but Him’ by ‘those who understand’ to which the ethical rule (‘be kind to parents’) is attached. It would be a mistake to regard this verse as part of alqadar because then the ethical demand would turn into an objective fact whether one subjectively intended to do it or not. ‘To be kind to parents’ would turn into an objective law of human behaviour which exists absolutely and independently of what human beings actually do. Even if people began to abuse their parents, disobey them, or starve them to death, it would still count as ‘being kind to parents’ because, objectively, people cannot but ‘be kind to parents’ regardless of their subjective intentions. In analogy, if ‘to worship none but Him’ became objective law, it would not matter whether someone subjectively worships idols, pagan gods, or political despots such as Pharaoh, because all of these would count, objectively, as worship of Him. This is the big error that we find in Ibn ‘Arabe’s Fusus al-hikam where the author announced a ‘unity of worship’, implying that since God had decreed (qdaa) to ‘worship none but Him’, humans are predestined to do exactly that (in whatever manner and regardless of their individual intentions). In Ibn ‘Arabe’s notion of the unity of worship, free will to accept or reject a ‘worship of Him’ does not exist. The rules of Islam became an inescapable fate-heedless of what someone actually intended to believe or practise a determined destiny that releases people from being responsible and in charge of their religious and ethical deeds. Because of Ibn ‘Arabe’s huge influence the verb qdaa was seen as synonymous with qadara, and this has had a disastrous effect on the Arab-Muslim mind.

The issue of fate vs predestination is something that all religions and philosophies have had to grapple with, even atheists. The thing is that science gives us basically a universe that runs according to strict laws (apart from Quantum Mechanics). Since all our thoughts and actions are down to chemical reactions and electrical pulses, this means that we cannot prove that our thoughts and actions are our own.

@DePeaceHunter

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My belief is even if you can't control what appears in your thought, often times you can still control your reaction to that thought. The idea that just bc we cant control our thought therefore we cant control our action is severely flawed imo. How many times out thought command us to do something that we, from previous experience, has decided to be a bad thing...putting us in situation where we have to decide to do it again or not. The reaction that follows for me is sure feels like something you can control. Sometimes I did something that I'm aware is bad, sometimes I restrain myself from doing that same thing. Thought process prior to both action is similar, but outcome is different. The struggle is the same. What is it that effects the difference in outcome? My reaction to that thought. In the first instance I decided to ignore the warning that appears in my head even when it keeps reminding me. The later I decide to gather self-will to restraint myself from doing it.

@robertjsmith

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@@DePeaceHunter where is the self,that either has or doesn't have free will ,try looking for it ?

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Assalam Alaikum brother Paul. I think it’s about time you got a Muslim name for yourself or give us a hint if you already have one. When I first became Muslim I was named straight away. Then a few months later or a full year later I got circumcised! There’s no way a Muslim girl was going to marry me if I didn’t have it done and I don’t blame them because it’s a filthy piece of skin and I felt so much better getting it lopped off. Some ultra hypocrites say there’s no need for reverts to get it done but the classical scholars hold it to be obligatory. Maybe you should do a video blog on this subject Paul what do you think? It is a pressing subject for revert men. Whilst it was being done all I could think about was the age Ibrahim عليه السلام circumcised himself and the covenant he made with Allah and that made it much easier! I was very proud of getting it done because I felt like a real Muslim! The whole experience was very spiritually uplifting and I recommend that every revert get it done wink wink :) Thanks again Paul for such great and diverse content wa Salam:)

Allah already knew how many creation He would make through Adam (AS) when He brought us all out of Adam's (AS) loins on that fateful day of Arafah in order for us to testify that He is our Lord. Allah also knows everyone that will be in Heaven and Hell, as He had shown the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) all of his Ummah on the yaumul qiyamah. So, the way I understand it is that the Qadaa scripted in Lauhul Mahfuz is the absolute decree that was written by the first creation, the pen, detailing the unchangeable future of existence, as a consequence of Allah's perfect foreknowledge of events. The qadr, as Ibn Hajar (RH) put it, details the scenarios that we face in life which can be changed by our action or inaction. This doesn't in any way change what is in the Lauhul Mahfuz (Qadaa), rather as the hadith of the one that his decree overtakes him and he becomes either a companion of paradise or the fire, the Qadr always ultimately drifts towards the Qadaa and eventually meets up with it. Allahul a'alam.

a simple way to think about it is that god is the game master who facilitates the game of free will for us the players.

@blueblubber6607

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This implies that he doesn't know the final score in advance.

@ashcomics13

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no it doesnt because in the analogy God is the game master of the game of free will meaning he not only knows the outcomes of each limited free will player, but is also necessary for the game of free will to even exist.

@ashcomics13

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@@blueblubber6607 by game master think of a game coder, inventor, and designer.

@blueblubber6607

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​@@ashcomics13 "he not only knows the outcomes of each limited free will player..." What do you mean by 'limited free will [player]' ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "by game master think of a game coder, inventor, and designer" Classical computer programs are fully deterministic. Programs threads and subroutines (= 'us' in your comparison) can only take decision paths predefined by the programmer. So, no, it still doesn't work.

@DePeaceHunter

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@@blueblubber6607 Look at your self/soul as a game player. Look at predestination as a PC game. Look at Allah as the game maker. Now ask yourself can the player end the game with several different result? Absolutely Are the game predetermined? Yes Is the player responsible for the result of the game he played? Yes

An alternative paradigm to understand and reconcile free will and divine decree lies in the realm of appreciating quantum mechanics. In quantum mechanics matter can behave both as particle or wave form and both have their specific behavior which can be reconciled through empirical evidence. Similarly observations such as quantum tunneling and superpositioning is proof that a world of duality can exist at the same moment and this tension in understanding duality is critical in making sense of quantum realm of matter. Likewise both free will and divine decree coexist at the same time in our dimension and hence our life can be rationally explained by the consequence of our own actions and exercise of freewill and also at the same time the element of divine decree is present in a perennial sense.

The one who does not believe in Qadar commits suicide whenever he encounters difficults or falls into depression and despair. And the Muslim who believes Qadar is liberated and endures. He remains patiently waiting for a better outcome. Do you see the difference??

Thank you so much for this nice discussion. The kadhaa and kadar it's a matter of belief that has no thing to do with our life science, however this belief in kadaa and kadar comes after establishing an origin belief which is believeing in Allah and in what Mohammad's message brought. Example: If I give you a showing proof that i can carry up 500kg, this fact makes you believe in my power. Now, what if someone told you that I could carry an elephant. Here surely you will believe in me basing on the origin belief with no need to a another proof (this's called rational proof). Results: The showing proof is the Quran which establishes the origin belief. when the origin belief is built, that leads to accept the second belief that has no need to any proofs. What the purpose of all that?. This's the sound belief that feeds our worshiping to Allah as like as we see him (IHSAN level) with trust, and that what makes the difference between the children of Adam who never seen or talked to Allah and the Angels who has already seen and talked to Allah. For that reason the Angels have been commanded to bow to Adam, and for that purpose exactly the satan has taken us his enemy and we commanded as well in surat Alkahf to take him as our enemy). Final fruit: The real worshippers of Allah from the children of Adam are better than the Angels. Allah said to the Angels in the Quran in surat Albakara " I know what don't know" this's when the Angels didn't realize the wisdom of making Adam and his children as khaleefa in the earth as a test for them where Allah gave them the free will to do what they want (obeying Allah or Obeying the Satan) which means (good vs evil). However the Angels are ordered to obey Allah with no free will. Conclusion: - Believing in kadr or destiny is like believing that Allah gave us the free will to choose either the good or the evil and to be responsible on the consequences of our deeds so as to be accountable on them. (Man is the master of his own destiny). - Without understanding the whole story of pur creation and our purpose in this life we cannot absolutely realize the wisdom of believing in kadha an kadar. Thanks Paul and sorry of my bad English because I'm familiar with Arabic.

Colin Turner Jamie Turner Pondering soul You need 2 have them on

Allah SWT is the Master Creator. He is initiator of Time He knows future of all. He knows what each individual will do from birth to death. He knows the genetic makeup of each being and what environment each will grow. Our destiny will lead us to our future actions Since Allah knows all, the past. Present and the future , he knows well what each individual will do.

There’s a Muslim mindfulness app Sabr

Dear Paul I think you should try to improve your pronunciation of the word "Allah"

Theory of Everything solution: I contend Gottfried Leibniz was correct about the fundamentals of our contingent universe and he just lacked 2022 verbiage and math. More importantly is that humanity chose Isaac Newton's "real" universe, calculus, gravity, etc. This was a mistake. We need to correct this problem. Finishing what Leibniz started (with the intention of destroying what Newton started): 0D = (point); exact location only; non-composite substance. (How ironic the symbol for Physics is the symbol for Metaphysics/Monad) 1D = line, straight; two points; composite substances 《0D (point) is exact location only; zero size; not a 'thing', not a 'part'; Monad》 "He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. A being can have a relationship with a God but not the Monad as that would be a contradiction." - The Apocryphon of John, 180 AD. Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the totality of all things. The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both. The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the monad as an elementary particle. [In mathematics, a tuple is a finite ordered list (sequence) of elements. An n-tuple is a sequence (or ordered list) of n elements, where n is a non-negative integer. There is only one 0-tuple, referred to as the empty tuple. An n-tuple is defined inductively using the construction of an ordered pair] It had a geometric counterpart, which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people. (they didn't have the verbiage/terminology) 1st four dimensions are 0D, 1D, 2D, 3D ✅. 1st four dimensions are not 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D 🚫. Human consciousness, mathematically, is identical to 4D quaternion algebra with w, x, y, z being "real/necessary" (0D, 1D, 2D, 3D) and i, j, k being "imaginary/contingent" (1D xi, 2D yj, 3D zk). 1D-9D 'contingent' universe has "conscious lifeforms" (1D xi, 2D yj, 3D zk)..."turning" 'time'. We're versors "turners", "to turn". Humanity is (3D zk). "Turn" to what, you might ask. 5D is the center of 1D-9D. The breadth (space-time). All things and parts are drawn to the center, the whole. [Contingent Universe]: 3 sets of 3 dimensions: (1D-3D/4D-6D/7D-9D) The illusory middle set (4D, 5D, 6D) is temporal. Id imagine we create this middle temporal set similar to a dimensional Venn Diagram with polarized lenses that we "turn" by being conscious. Which requires energy. 3D height Symmetry with 9D absorption is why we are "consumers", we must consume, i.e. calories, and sleep, to continue "to turn" 'time' (be alive). 1D-3D set/7D-9D set overlap creating the temporal illusion of 4D-6D set. 1D, 2D, 3D = spatial composite (line, width, height) 4D, 5D, 6D = temporal illusory (length, breadth, depth) 7D, 8D, 9D = spectra energies (continuous, emission, absorption) Symmetry/entanglement: 1D, 4D, 7D line, length, continuous 2D, 5D, 8D width, breadth, emission 3D, 6D, 9D height, depth, absorption Conclusion: Humanity needs to immediately swap from "Newton" to "Leibniz". Newton: "wait... Leibniz is Humanity's true universal genius?" Leibniz (behind Newton w/🔫): "always have been"

@Killabeethev

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Huh?

@ready1fire1aim1

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@@Killabeethev What is zero, anyway? Our understanding of zero is profound when you consider this fact: We don’t often, or perhaps ever, encounter zero in nature. Numbers like one, two, and three have a counterpart. We can see one light flash on. We can hear two beeps from a car horn. But zero? It requires us to recognize that the absence of something is a thing in and of itself. “Zero is in the mind, but not in the sensory world,” Robert Kaplan, a Harvard math professor and an author of a book on zero, says. Even in the empty reaches of space, if you can see stars, it means you’re being bathed in their electromagnetic radiation. In the darkest emptiness, there’s always something. Perhaps a true zero - meaning absolute nothingness - may have existed in the time before the Big Bang. But we can never know. Nevertheless, zero doesn’t have to exist to be useful. In fact, we can use the concept of zero to derive all the other numbers in the universe. Kaplan walked me through a thought exercise first described by the mathematician John von Neumann. It’s deceptively simple. Imagine a box with nothing in it. Mathematicians call this empty box “the empty set.” It’s a physical representation of zero. What’s inside the empty box? Nothing. Now take another empty box, and place it in the first one. How many things are in the first box now? There’s one object in it. Then, put another empty box inside the first two. How many objects does it contain now? Two. And that’s how “we derive all the counting numbers from zero … from nothing,” Kaplan says. This is the basis of our number system. Zero is an abstraction and a reality at the same time. “It’s the nothing that is,” as Kaplan said. He then put it in more poetic terms. “Zero stands as the far horizon beckoning us on the way horizons do in paintings,” he says. “It unifies the entire picture. If you look at zero you see nothing. But if you look through it, you see the world. It’s the horizon.” Once we had zero, we have negative numbers. Zero helps us understand that we can use math to think about things that have no counterpart in a physical lived experience; imaginary numbers don’t exist but are crucial to understanding electrical systems. Zero also helps us understand its antithesis, infinity, in all of its extreme weirdness. (Did you know that one infinity can be larger than another?)

@Killabeethev

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@@ready1fire1aim1 aiiight bro. I think you're a bot

@Killabeethev

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@@ready1fire1aim1 cool story tho. One of the few i read to finish. Props 👍

It's very simple.. Existence, and self actualization are a type of "freedom".. The thing is, we are creatures, not necessary existents.. So we can only exist predetermined, facilitated for, and blessed with manifestive means.. The actual nuance is that once you exist. You have no choice but to be~ 🤷‍♂️ And you're not "free" about how you could achieve that.. Cause God is the one who arranged how everything has to coexist and factor into eachother.. So.. Determinism ✍️

@robertjsmith

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so how are we judged for our actions

@goingmonotheist783

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@@robertjsmith Same way a writer "judges" what happens to different characters in a story BASED ON THE INDEPENDENT CONCEPT of who those characters are.. If you think about it.. When a writer determines that say, a bad guy does bad things, then gets killed in the story.. He isn't doing that because of anything personal he has against the character~ He's literally doing it cause THAT'S THE DEFENTION OF WHAT BAD GUYS DO, AND WHAT OUGHT TO HAPPEN TO "BAD GUYS" ~ Likewise.. The writer's choice of what happens to the "good guys" isn't really that "creative" either.. He just assigns to them, WHAT FULFILLS THE MEANING of what their character represents... Judgment is just an extension of qualification.. You can either negate that any of us have our independent nature, as just even hypothetical beings before creation.. Thus assume God was unjust in putting us as the characters we now are; arbitrarily.. Or.. You can assume that God knows our natures, and enabled us to exist, to actualize how we are.. In a reality that compares and qualifies our nature; meaningfully.. Based on how he arranges things to avail their defention.. By events and fortunes.👍

@robertjsmith

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@@goingmonotheist783 so we are not judged by a God

@goingmonotheist783

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@@robertjsmith We are and aren't.. We aren't, because in a way.. it's impersonal.. We are, because God proportions, and occasions the specifics on purpose..

@goingmonotheist783

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@@robertjsmith I guess you can say we are judged in quality, not assignment.. You're assigned your fortunes, and fate based on what ought come to the nature of what/ who you are.. But what that will look like, and evolve into, in the grand scheme of things.. That's on God to judge and apportion~

28:22 Muhammad prayed and sought refuge from Allah's evil decree? Was that prayer also decreed?

@dubbelkastrull

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@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 So the bad things in the world are not decreed by Allah?

@dubbelkastrull

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@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 So not decreed?

Tbh, I think Free-will cannot be rationalized. Predestination (Qadr) is part of the six pillars of Imaan. Not everything has to be rationalized. May Allah ﷻ guide us all. Ameen!

@Toronado2

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To Rafay I don't know why people are having so much trouble understanding Predestination and free will. I've been taught and always understood that our free will works INSIDE that which has been Predestined. You start existing in that which was Predestined, and then you are subject to your Parents and environment and so on. And as soon as you are able to make a choice you become subject to the consequences of those actions. Now you may not be functioning on your own recognizance but still able to make a decision such as pushing away your food when you are full. And when you are able to be responsible with your actions then every one will hold you accountable for your actions. If people can hold you accountable, then it goes without saying that GOD will Hold you accountable.

@khandawah3147

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@@Toronado2 This is the cleanest and shortest explanation of predetermination, predestination and human will. May Allah keep us guided and steadfast in His Deen.

@Toronado2

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@@khandawah3147 Ameen.

@Toronado2

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​ @Good Tree Are you aware of the fact that you have just contradicted yourself? I guess it's because your mind and intellect are not the real you. So it would be better for you not to use your mind and intellect and rather use your soul. Then maybe you can figure out why you don't have free will and keep ending up as an untouchable.

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only 14 hundredsSame God ALL Corrupt Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification The > qualification Faith in God and Good Work

Why delete comments which clearly show you are wrong ??

Qur'an contradiction. God finished the heavens first then afterwards he's finishing the earth Quran 79.29 Are you more difficult to create or the heavens? He built it, He raised its vault and fashioned it, Gave darkness to its night, and brightness to its day. And afterwards spread out the earth. He brought out its water and its pastures from it, setting firm the mountains, This contradicts Qur'an 2.29 In chapter 2.29 of the Qur'an, it says God finished the earth first and all that's in it then Thumma, then he turned to the heavens and finished the heavens making them as seven heavens. He made for you all that lies within the earth, then turning to the firmament He proportioned several skies: He has knowledge of everything. This contradicts Qur'an 41.19-12 41.9-12, first God finished the earth within four periods, then God finished the heavens within two periods. Say, ‘Do you really disbelieve in Him who created the earth in two days, and ascribe partners to Him? That is the Lord of all the worlds!’ He set in it firm mountains, [rising] above it, blessed it, and ordained in it, in four days, [various] means of sustenance, equally for all seekers. Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly. Then He created several skies in two spans, and ingrained in each sky its function, decking the nearest heaven with lamps, and guarded it. This has been determined by the mighty and all-knowing. 41.9-12 This is a contradiction also verified by the hadiths where it says the earth was created on Saturday before the heavens were created and light on Wednesday how can the Sun be created after the earth? according to scholars these aren't days they are time periods to agree with modern science, but Muhammad gives the days and not as time periods. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) took hold of my hand and said, "Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the earth on Saturday, the mountains on Sunday, the trees on Monday, the things entailing labour on Tuesday, light on Wednesday, He spread out animals of all kinds on Thursday, and created Adam in the afternoon on Friday, and it was the last hour of Friday between the afternoon and the night."[Muslim]. quranx.com/Hadith/Saliheen/In-Book/Book-19/Hadith-1854

@letmetalk2240

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Get the answer from the reliable Muslim sites. Bring something new instead of repeating what others have already mentioned.

@lakerstekkenn

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@@letmetalk2240 Give me the answer from reliable Muslim sites.

@lakerstekkenn

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@@letmetalk2240 Your playing stupid thuma means after that he Allah turned to the heavens while it was still smoke, meaning the heavens wasn't finished yet but the other verse says Allah completed the heavens afterward finished the earth it's a contradiction.

ALLAH'S PREDISPOSITION MAKES HIM CREATING PEOPLE AND SENDING THEM TO HELL.. COME TO JESUS THERE IS NO SENDING TO HELL..

@Yesunimwokozi1

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@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 u don't know what you're talking about

I'm sorry Justin, I don't believe you have done a good job explaining divine decree and have just tried to justify why bad things are happening by a comforting thought that people will be in a better place later on. This is not evidence or a good argument but just an explanation to justify the suffering that is happening in the world. Why are we being tested when the outcome is already known to the Almighty. What is the purpose of this test in the first place, seems minor in the grand scheme of things, you have an Almighty and He is concerned about who worships Him and Testing them. I think you have to explain why we must live a life that is full of hardships and tests when the outcome to the One who created you is already clear. If you say He knows the outcome but you dont, again I think this is a weak argument because ultimately it doesnt matter what we know or dont know as the final decision is with G-d and you will not be in a position to argue with Him.

A random confused ramble - parott doesn't seem to have any real clarity on this concept.

@HHasan-of2vi

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Please suggest a lecture on this subject the one which you like the most.

@oeshkoer

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Why do you think he is confused?

Beware of yaqeen institute! Watch videos of Muslim Sceptic about yi and their agenda.

Why Quran says, Allah guides and misguides? If Allah misguides there is no-one to guide. So it is Allah that misguides. There is no freewill in islam.

@mutamirmukhzani1240

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Why yes you can go to the rest room but you may not.

@Toronado2

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​ @Mu'tamir Mukhzani Such a great answer.

@shamsheerg7519

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@@mutamirmukhzani1240 Very stupid answer. Is Allah that makes us sin? It is said in the Hadith that the amount of adultery is ordained by Allah. Is this free will if Allah has written the very amount of adultery a man must do?

@shamsheerg7519

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@@Toronado2 Why Allah makes us sin? Is sin from the devil?

@mutamirmukhzani1240

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@@shamsheerg7519 oh boy. If you don't get it then you just don't get it. No worries mate your perspective will change as you age. Just take some time to reflect inwards. If you just depends on what you understand as science as the absolute measuring stick then what's the point for the existence of psychiatrist?

It is almost sad to watch. Beating around the bush for almost an hour, putting tons of sentences in Arabic which makes it extremely tedious to listen and in the end the total absence of substance. The crumbling church around min11 is funny to you ? Replace it by a two year old child dying of cancer. Still funny ? I am now more than ever convinced that free will and an almighty God are simply incompatible. Period.

@mohamedrasheed474

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these are two highly educated gentlemen, discussing advanced topics.. your two-year-old child example has revealed your ignorance on the subject. I suggest you do some research before making these lame comments

@blueblubber6607

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@@mohamedrasheed474 Two gentlemen ? Certainly. Discussing advanced topics ? Certainly. But my point is the substance and there is none as far as I can see. Feel free to correct me: Any insight which you retained from this discussion worth to be mentioned ? I guess not.

@blueblubber6607

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@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 There is no free will in Islam, God is almighty.

@blueblubber6607

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@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 If free will serves to insult other people than you've just successfully proved its existence.

I don't understand bringing Salafi to discuss a philosophical issue when philosophy and rational theology are totally forbidden in salafi Islam and seen as a heinous crime that cast you in the depths of Hell. They simply offer nothing while atheism is spreading among salafists like none

@fahimahmed-lg9sh

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Many holds different views

@Shahid-if4ws

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I didn't know Qadr was a philosophical issue, I thought it was part of Emaan? Salman reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Nothing repels the divine decree but supplication, and nothing increases life span but righteousness.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2139

@Kolesha

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Atheism spreading among salafis? Bring the stats. Back up your claim.

@user-ww2lc1yo9c

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Do you think that most of middle eastern salafis will become atheists in the next 100 years and give up on religion altogether?

@merlinx8703

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@@Kolesha Salafism is a gateway to Atheism Both are extremists when it comes religion