thank You Frederick. In working environment I have observed "the perpetrator=overt narcissist" working closely together with "savior" in order to destroy a new employee. This way the victim thinks one has his back - but in actuality they cooperate together. The savior is a covert narc = sociopath who is consciously playing a role of a good cop. Overt narc knows that without help of overt narc abuse would end very quickly - by adding this savior the victim still has hope and stays much longer in this job. Both overt and covert narc are deliberately evil and plan the destruction of the victim from the job interview. One is mean form the beginning the other one plays overly nice and than gradually they both abuse victim in a different ways - until the next victim and the next and the next. The cycle of a bug.

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

Excellent observation - yes, that can be the case when both know each other or function in the same system. I love when viewers use these tools to connect dots and observe dynamics. Thank you!

@user-zy8gk2nn7d

8 ай бұрын

@@fribersson Thank You Frederick - I have seen overt and covert narc cooperating together in order to abuse pp and I have learnt much before about K. triangle but I made this connection now. narcs are like hyenas - attack in pack - otherwise it would not be successful. Predator cooperation.

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

Or piranhas - they’ll eat their wounded rivals when they can…

I hate when they flip into the saviour role, a.k.a. concern trolling. They can patch up their image and gain the upper hand as they erode your sovereignty. Then they can easily flip into victim mode. Once you understand the triangle, you can quickly jump off or never take a spin in the first place. I'm really liking this series.

Beautifully explained; thank you for this valuable information.

I recently discovered your channel, what a gem! Thank you for your enlightening imputs, it really helps navigate with difficult relationships. I see the Karpman Triangle as very dynamic and interchangeable. This video goes hand in hand with another one of my KZread favorites on the subject : TheraminTrees. In his "When saviors go bad" video, he explains how the toxic individual can switch from one role to another on the Karpman Triangle, moving his piece on the board (and consequelntly moving yours as well) in order to keep control. The switches can happen anytime. It is a very helful tool to map an understanding of difficult/toxic relationships. Once you realise it is all a play in which you got pulled from the audience, once you see the three drama masks and how the toxic one uses it, once you see the mask that was put on your face (willingly or not), then it becomes easier to just silently step off the stage, let the desperate actor try to gain audience, and learn from the game at play.

@fribersson

6 ай бұрын

Thank you Merry for your kind words! Yes, I am familiar with TheraminTrees, whose videos are mostly excellent - I only came across a few where I would offer a different take - so thank you for the comparison! :) Yes, these switches are dynamic, and none of them are helpful, despite the illusion of « helping ».

Your life is at stake. Absolutely. Thank you for sharing this knowledge. Carry on with helping others heal. Thank you.

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

Thank you Athena :)

Perpetrators in the shadows, that's how they fool so many for so long... We are the captain of our ship! ⛵️☀️ Excellent ❤💪

This is a wonderful video in that you stress giving people tools and not advice. In recent months I have become a trainer and my students are given foundational tools to operate. At some point I tell them, like a mother Eagle I am about to drop out from underneath you in mid air to teach you to use your wings. They struggle, they are reassured and I do it as many times as they need to soar. They love the process of flying on their own and are empowered. I love to watch this process! Thank you for all you do to empower! 😊

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

It’s so important Kelly, let people work it out. They’ll make it theirs, and they’ll shine. As with anything important, figure out how to express ourselves, and we grow. Once we understand that with others, it becomes so satisfying! :) And we’re spreading the ideas that make the World more beautiful! :)

I've been watching your videos lately and they are really clarifying for me. My father was a covert narcissist, died this year. The heritage is long. I'm dealing now with a brother and niece who are narcissists and always played the drama game. It's unbelievable what they can do! I watch your videos and I see "how they play" all the time the role of victims. I'm learning how to deal with them, gathering tools and strategies. Understanding the scheme and the "drama game" is essential. Great help! Very enlightning, thank you!

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

Hi Ana, thank you for sharing this! It's great to read these little videos are helpful. Yes, their patterns are not that complicated, but rather convoluted. And once we see them, it is easier to decide if engaging is a good use of time and energy. And it makes it easier to remain constructive. Fingers crossed for you!

This video put what i m going through...in perspective .🎉The NARCISSIST is a male...its exhausting and painful.

Best KZreadr. Thank you . ❤

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

You are so kind, thank you Morganv!

Sadly, I am the victim and I am also being narc’s Savior 😢, because of unhealthy empathy

100% facts

A really good clear explanation! 👍

@fribersson

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I found this model really helpful, many other ways to use it: the narcissist pretends to be a victim, accuses their partner of being a perpetrator and uses their new supply as saviour, only to eventually turn against them.

@narcissisms408

8 ай бұрын

@@fribersson Yes it's definitely a useful model. And I've committed it to memory! It reminds me of the typical narcissist and borderline relationship where one thrives on bring the victim, the other the perpetrator.

Thank you!!!!!!

@fribersson

2 ай бұрын

You’re welcome, thanks for the comment :)

This triangle exists im all toxic relationships

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