They saved both versions of YF-23s into museums. They were ahead of their time.

@Ulysses1994XF04

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Look at the concept art for the NGAD, looks more like the YF-23 than the F-22.

@fucker1714

Жыл бұрын

But then again it is 35-40 year old tech that potential adversaries have almost caught up with. Why would you invest potentially trillions of $$$ in when, for that kind of money, you can innovate something 35-40 years ahead of everyone else?

@blitzed5210

Жыл бұрын

@fucker1714 The US Military isn't looking to innovate things 35-40 years ahead of our time; it's more likely that they will go the YF-23 route as it would be cheaper (since it's already built), already on-par or better than the current F-22, which is over 30 years old, and they can easily improve upon old technology. Anything new that the Air Force will come out with is already better than any other country's aircraft

@chrismair8161

Жыл бұрын

Better Anti-radar and speed. Some one called that Ball.

@exumbra1399

Жыл бұрын

I cannot tell you how shocked and excited I was to unexpectedly recognize the Gray Ghost at the Torrance Airport while driving by as a young adult in 2012! It was my favorite plane of all the Ace Combat games!

I was a young airmen at Edwards AFB CA when the then YF22 & YF23 were doing the ATF shootout. Our F-16's flew chase for both aircraft. I always thought it was a mistake not to go with both at the time. Both have their strengths. I understand budgets but, how could not want both for your Air Force... Keep America STRONG!!!

Love the F15 and A10. As an Army tanker I used to love watching the A10’s going over us. Was always glad they were on our side.

yf23 hands down has the insane sci fi look. they shouldve been able to pick both jets. the black widow def has a place with the way our enemies keep popping up

@BonnajeanJava

Ай бұрын

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Saw the F23 up close and personal at WPAFB museum. Neat plane. They also have a F22.

I'd be pleasantly shocked if the YF-23 were revived, but it's not likely.

@jeffk464

Жыл бұрын

It looked more futuristic.

@JosmaMeric

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffk464 It had a lot going for it as an aircraft, but yeah it's hard to argue that the company that fronted it didn't have the greatest track record with contract delivery.

@MrShwaggins

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they are working on an updated version with Japan.

@fbi805

Жыл бұрын

@@JosmaMeric the only reason they didn’t get the contract is because they were already involved with the B2 bomber. The YF-23 was and still is a better plane than the F-22,which coincidentally is being retired from the Air Force. The Air Force doesn’t retire aircrafts unless it has something to replace them with

@bryanhoppe1481

Жыл бұрын

@@MrShwaggins The ban on exporting the F-22 goes beyond the aircraft itself. It forbids the sharing of classified information for the ATF program in general and that includes the NG YF-23. Bringing in foreign partners would allow Japan to spread development costs, estimated to be around $40 billion, and give it access to technology it would otherwise have to develop from scratch. A number of firms including BAE Systems, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman all responded. Boeing offered an upgrade to the JASDF’s F-15 - which of course may have resulted in something similar to the Boeing F-15EX that is now entering service with the U.S. Air Force. BAE Systems similarly offered an upgraded Eurofighter Typhoon, while Lockheed Martin proposed an F-22/F-35 hybrid fighter.

I used to eat lunch next to aYF-23 in the Northrop parking lot.

Despite the title, there is no suggestion that the YF-23 program is to be re-opened. That aircraft from 30-plus years ago is now a museum piece in all respects, as well as being designed against a requirement set quite different to Japan’s needs for the 2030s.

@foodparadise5792

Жыл бұрын

Military power goes along with economic might. I don't know how Japan will ever get this with their economy going down hill, even their daddy is declining fast.

And of course Japan is calling their new fighter Godzilla. I laughed so hard I cried when I saw that.

@berandom2000

Жыл бұрын

Why not Rodan, Ghidorah, Gigan, Jet Jaguar, or Destroroyah? Those are cool and intimidating name for their new fighters.

@stevebynum2180

Жыл бұрын

So True

@RamBam3000

Жыл бұрын

@@berandom2000 MAybe because they're not as famous? EVERYONE knows who Godzilla is.

@audience2

Жыл бұрын

That's a great name

@skaldlouiscyphre2453

Жыл бұрын

The original name was R32 GT-R but apparently that was already copyrighted.

As a fighter pilot in the United States Air Force, I am very familiar with the F-23 Black Widow 2 and I was told by very good sources and being a fighter pilot I rub elbows with a lot of people in the aerospace industry, that all they have to do is bring back the F-23 just the way it is and just upgrade the software and maybe just a little tweaking here and there and they will automatically have a sixth generation fighter! Let me repeat that, they will have a 6th generation fighter! That's how far advanced the F-23 Black Widow was and can still be! Think about how easy it would be to bring it back when it's all there in front of you! The F-23 speed is still classified to this day and from what I was told, it was somewhere around Mach 2.8! The F-15 speed is Mach 2.5 + and it was never classified, so what does that tell you about the F-23s speed! It's more stealthier than the F-22, has greater range than the F-22, just as maneuverable, if not more than the F-22 and carried a little bit bigger weapons load! Japan wants the F-23 or some form of it, because of its range and stealthiness which they need to go up against China! While I'm at it, I would like to thank Boeing, Fairchild Republic and the United States Air Force for giving me the opportunity to fly some of the most magnificent aircraft in the world and two of them are the F-15 Eagle which is the greatest air superiority fighter in the world and we're all looking forward to the new F-15EX and the A-10 Thunderbolt 2 which I currently fly and it's the greatest ground attack aircraft in the world! If any of you out there are looking for a career in the military, look no further than the United States Air Force! Great people, great opportunities, great benefits and great pay! What more could you ask for! United States Air Force! I would like for you people to watch a great documentary on KZread on the F-23 which is approximating an hour-long and it's called-Black Widow Gray Ghost! It will blow you away!!!

@gregkatz5874

Жыл бұрын

From my understanding by eavesdropping on the conversation between two USAF Generals at Reagan International Airport, the USAF didn't select the YF-23 because Northrup had a very black project in the development which was the B-2 bomber, and the USAF didn't want to give Northrup both programs. Same issue with the F-20 ATF. It was ready to go for USAF flight demonstrations over 6 months before the F-16 and was the more superior fighter.

@craig4867

Жыл бұрын

@@gregkatz5874 yeah and they were afraid that Northrop couldn't come through for the Air Force because of some problems with the B-2 not getting them out in a timely fashion and at the time Lockheed wasn't doing much so they wanted to give Lockheed a contract to keep them solvent, but I can honestly tell you the Air Force is kicking themselves for not choosing the F-23 and they're going to be retiring the F-22 in the near future and I personally don't like the F-22 and I always loved the F-23 because it's a much Superior aircraft and a really cool looking aircraft and at least Japan is going to resurrect it in one form or another and I told them they should call it Godzilla!

@CaesarCassius

Жыл бұрын

@@craig4867 Craig I'm deeply concerned that the Air Force lets you fly their jets

@craig4867

Жыл бұрын

@@CaesarCassius I'm concerned that they let you on KZread! What's the matter you jealous if you educate yourself you can do what I'm doing but it takes a good education and a lot of schooling! Jealousy will get you nowhere in life and if you're trying to bring me down to your level, it will never work! If you go online, you'll see all the stuff that I've written on aeronautical engineering and jet fighters! What have you contributed in life and obviously you're not a fighter pilot the only thing you ever flown was a paper airplane!

@slingshotjohnny1

Жыл бұрын

But do we still have the tooling and jigs to make F-23? Or is it like the F-22 and all that stuff is gone now?

Love the pic of the R\C version at 3:23! Always loved the design of the 23 a little more than the 22.......

I love the black widow 👍🏻

Both Northrop's YF-23 overall performance exceeded Lockheed's YF-22 in most categories, in particular the advanced computer Flight Control Systems and Trapezoidal design. The B-2 employes similar systems, allowing the 23 to have much less RCS visible than the large engine air inlets found on the 22. Early in 1992, both YF-22's had crashed or was involved in some type of event that rendered the jets unflyable. That did not deter Georgia's Senator Sam Nunn, at the time the US Armed Services Chairman, was not going to let his state go without this project and the 22 was awarded anyway, while the 23 was mothballed.

Stealth refueling drones for deep deep penetration if you have extended range tanks and a refueling drone that would double it's range for deep penetration to take out enemies from further than they expected you to

would be cool to see the new 23

As Defense management is a ongoing process! Depends on the ever changing circumstances and challenges ! So creativity should be stimulating and also impromptu

Really cool to see some actual footage of it flying.

@cyborgbadger1015

Жыл бұрын

you'll be waiting a long time.

Thank you for an enjoyable video, my friend. In my humble opinion, I have always held the position that the YF-23 was superior to the YF-22. The American people will never fully know the degree to which the decisions regarding military contracts have been influenced by means of payoffs, perks and other offerings. I believe that one would be extremely naïve to believe that military contracts have never been effected by such influences. Some time ago I came across a report which addressed Japan’s interest in the YF-23 as the nation began its earnest search to develop their own 6th + aircraft. With the ever growing and immediate threat which China presents to the Asian countries specifically and the globe in general, one can certainly understand Japan’s desire to enact such measures and to once again pursue the buildup of Japan’s offensive military might. I am certainly looking forward to seeing the results of Japan’s military research and development. One would be foolish to ignore or underrate what Japan is capable of achieving.

Can't help but wonder if the F-23 wouldn't have been the better choice in the long run given the AF's intent to retire the F-22 beginning in 2030 and their re-activation of the F-117 fleet.

@thomasblankinship98

Жыл бұрын

The F117 isn't a fighter plane. Although bit is classified as one with the F designation. It's a low observable non supersonic night time bomber that was built during the Reagan era. Don't see how it could be of much relevance today.

I'd love to see her back, with 6th or 7th Gen upgrades.

Hell yes, build the F-23 also!..I think it and the F-22 would complement each other, actually, with their different strengths...kind of like the P-51 and the P-47...a design that has lost out initially has come back before...the F4F Wildcat...the Curtiss P-36...and more recently, the YF-17 returned as the F-18 Hornet after losing out to the F-16...and hey, while we're at it..bring back a modern reincarnation of the XB-70 Valkyrie!....

I'm still waiting for the Navy to say screw the F-35 and go directly to the f23

I never understood why they didn't use both the F-22 and the F-23. It would force the enemies to prepare scenarios for both.

Drag decreases as flight speed increases after a certian Mach Value depending on aerodynamics... Heat reduces stealth and engine life because of turbo fans and all those turbine blades spinning with heat. The S ducts should alleiviate the air speed though making these high speeds possible. Any faster and youll need to bypass the turbines.

@shooter7a

Жыл бұрын

This is entirely correct. The DRAG COEFFICIENT decreases. Drag is (Drag Coeff x density x Area x Velocity Squared) / 2. So Drag is a function of the Coefficient times velocity squared times some constants. For actual drag to fall with increasing speed, the Coeff must drop rapidly enough to overcome velocity squared in the product. Example Data Set - Zero Lift Drag Coefficient Drag Coeff @Mach .90 = .185 Drag Coeff @Mach1.0 = .8 Drag Coeff @Mach 1.08 = 1.7 Drag Coeff @Mach 1.25 = .92 Drag Coeff @Mach 1.5 = .87 Drag Coeff @Mach 1.75 = .83 Drag Coeff @Mach 2.0 = .81 Drag Coeff @Mach 2.25 = .79 Drag Coeff @Mach 2.5 = .77 Drag Coeff @Mach 2.75 = .75 Drag Coeff @Mach 5.0 = .62 Drag Coeff @Mach 7.75 = .62 Drag Coeff @Mach 8.5 = .50 Drag Coeff @Mach 9.5 = .22 .92 x 1.25^2 = 1.44 .87*1.5^2 = 1.96 So in this range above Mach 1.25 the DRAG is actually increasing significantly because of the velocity squared rising faster than the Drag Coeff is falling. So, as you can see, the range that actual drag falls with speed is very very narrow...probably from Mach 1.08 to Mach 1.20 +/-. In that region, the drop in Coefficient is so steep that it overcomes velocity squared. Everywhere else, drag rises with speed, until you get to about Mach 7.75.

I will also be shocked as well !.

Make sure you can super cool exhaust system keeps down other weapons systems from engaging the fighters

The documentary on the black widow is great to watch

Perhaps the YF23 design avoided the issues with the F-22 which lead to overly expensive operating costs.

It was never fully proven that the YF-22 was more maneuverable. During final flight demonstrations. The YF-23 was flown at the requested demonstration parameters. Someone at Lockheed-Martin was more clever regarding marketing and wanted to show some sizzle, so had the plane flown in excess of its demonstration requirements, wowing the Air Force generals. The YF-23 was never allowed to counter with a maximun capability demonstration of its own. Add to that the Air Force’s displeasure with Nortrup-Grumman’s management of the B1 project, the die was cast by that one demo.

bit strange to release this when Japan has anounced they will partner with the UK and Italy to build a new 6th gen fighter !!

@stanleyjaxen5043

Жыл бұрын

the americans have said they wont share the F22 or the NGAD so all the alliance is scrambling to come up with their own. australia and korea will likely buy them from japan / UK the threat is the long range over sea, which nobody will be able to see coming

@mattia8327

Жыл бұрын

@@stanleyjaxen5043 they are making a 6th gen fighter, the f22 is 5th gen. Thr yf23 is a mix, it could potentially be a 6th gen if modified and improved.

Maneuverability is ALWAYS important. The main method for defeating missiles is outmaneuvering them as you can't always rely on chaff or flares to deflect them. This doesn't change for BVR engagements.

@user-ko3te7oy6d

Жыл бұрын

you'd have to have superhuman reaction times to dodge a missile flying at you

@johnbrobston1334

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ko3te7oy6d You just have to translate laterally faster than its sensor can follow. Doesn't take "superhuman reaction times".

I don't know what you are talking of, but Japan signed up for the development of the Tempest in collaboration with UK Italy and Sweden. You also keep showing the Tempest mock up while talking about the Japanese "Gojira" Program (which converged with the Tempest): I don't know how Japan, which is already a partner in the F35 program, could resuscitate a 30 years old program from the US at this point and what you could be imagine could to be the outcome, as these programs literally decades to bring to reality.

I hope so, love this jet!!!!!

I know I'm not the only one thinking all the images of the NGAD bear a resemblance to the YF-23.

Such a sleek looking beautif girl. I think they were biased they had more faith in Lockheed to manage the project and we all know Lockheed loves whispering in the ear of goverment but Northrop built a beautiful bird.

When unburdened by new requirements from nowhere that the other competitor convinced the Government were important, yes, this is a good decision. But don't expect Lockmart nor Boeing to go down without fighting. The reason the F-22 is not exported is due to classified stealth capabiliites; I wouldn't expect the F-23 to be exportable for the same reason.

"looks rather aesthetic" is faint praise for what is, to me, the best looking fighter plane ever built. and that includes the p51 and fw190.

The F-23 looked so much better!

I suspect the upcoming NGAD and F/A-XX will be even stealthier than the 22 and 23 so bringing back the Black Widow is moot. Wouldn't be too concerned about Northrop either. They got that sweet B21 contract.

@fbi805

Жыл бұрын

Ah the F/A XX is nothing more than a juiced up Hornet which is a U.S. Navy fighter and not used by the Air Force.

@izanagisburden9465

Жыл бұрын

@@fbi805 aye juiced up Hornet sounds good af... that thing really needed supercruise

@fbi805

Жыл бұрын

@@izanagisburden9465 why spend millions to upgrade a jet when there’s a successfully tested 6 generation fighter already available that won't cost anything more to upgrade and it already flies at super cruise speeds without afterburners.

@izanagisburden9465

Жыл бұрын

@@fbi805 upgrade? I thought you meant it serves the same roles as hornet but better

@izanagisburden9465

Жыл бұрын

And I was talking about hornet lacking supercruise.... because such a sexy looking fighter doesn't look good going sub sonic XD

If they could just get rid of those non stealth tail stabilizers. Also the way it looks you could make it a modular design of three parts....cockpit/front , engine pod/rear , and center/wings areas. Could make them interchangeable for missions. Like add the cockpit area to other engines or centers for bombings runs or intelligence runs or fighter roles or a combo of them. Need speed then a more powerful engine pod. Need bombs then a different center pod.

@matthewwagner9350

Жыл бұрын

I like the thinking but I dont think you could do that without creating seams that would ruin the stealth

If the U.S. Airforce was smart they would push the 6th gen fighter and do an off-the-shelf part build of a modernized yf-23. Use the engines and DAS system from the f35, radar, ew suite, and landing gear from the f-15 eagle 2. Increase the size and fuel capacity to cover the larger engines and use the cock pit from the f-35 or f-15; if we built it with Japan and the UK, we could offer the F-22 s we're retiring as a stop-gap solution for them. This would take the f-22 off our books, make 2 allies stronger, and free up funds for the build that can be up and running quickly, thanks to an available design and off-the-shelf parts. With all our shortsightedness from fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and all the trouble with the f-35, I'd rather see a SOLID gen 5.5 gen fighter than a struggling 6th gen fighter that bloats down the line.

You showed the new British Tempest 6th Generation fighter there which Japan and Agusta Westland (Leonardo) have also joined up for the development, You even showed it in British markings ;)

Very good looking

If Japan puts the F23 airframe into production the USA needs to put the F22 engines in it and the f35 electronics for an "off the shelf" new fighter.

You can see one of the YF-23 prototypes at the Torrance Air Port on Airport Drive near Crenshaw blvd today. You can see it from your car.

@exumbra1399

Жыл бұрын

I can't tell you how happy I was to unexpectedly see it from the road back in 2013! It was my favorite Ace Combat aircraft and the most recognizable scifi airplane profile! I spontaneously started exclaiming why it was so special to everyone else in the car.

The YF-23 airframe itself is still ahead of the competition in terms of aerodynamic concept and radar echo. By keeping the airframe and at the same time equipping it with today's avionics, engines and armament, we have an aircraft that, like the F-22 25 years ago, totally dominated the air to this day, will be unbeatable for the next 20-30 years. The YF-23 would be a true air superiority fighter. In addition to everything the F-22 has, the YF-23 was also supposed to be much faster. A typical successor to the fighter versions of the F-15

@rapidsqualor5367

Жыл бұрын

I agree ! This video has some good footage but you can't understand the yf-23 without discussing the Area-Rule. Between Mach 0.8 and Mach 1.3 is the transonic zone and wave-drag is created. The least amount of wave-drag is created with a shape like a elongated teardrop. If you sliced the plane up in sections, like balogna, the area (square inches) of each section should try to be close to equal. Where the wings are, the fuselage is wasp-waisted like the late century fighters or the F-5. The yf-23 conformed to the Area-Rule more than any other airframe. Top speed was limited to Mach 2 to preserve coatings but the acceleration to that speed must have been .... What if they made one with F-35 parts ?

@DrsharpRothstein

Жыл бұрын

@RAPID squalor Aera rule can also be optimized for supersonic flight to minimize wave drag around the design cruise Mach number not just transonic flight.

bring on the 23 !

Visual stealth is great to as long as you blend in with whatever kind of sky you have clouds clear and blend in. with so they can hear you but not see and track better we also need to get every F35 combat encoded for ours and all we sold to Allies

I would love to know the story and meaning of that triangular surface sticking out in the intakes surface.

Let's take the best of both and upgrade what's left with new technology like airborne lasers from a pod or whatever and I believe that the crafts have to generate enough electricity to keep firing the laser at anything else in the air that could be coming in from the ground or another aircraft our weapons really need to engage from even further than they engage now in case we start running into other nations sixth generation aircrafts

right from the start.... the only thing the raptor had on the 23 was agility. In every other category the 23 came out on top with a particular emphasis on stealth.

@ealtar

Жыл бұрын

*weapons* you are forgeting weapons f22 can carry more for an air TOTAL superiority fighter agility and weapon complement are key features

@mikewaterfield3599

Жыл бұрын

@@ealtar actually, the “grey ghost” variant had an equal payload. I would never count external stores on a stealth craft. It defeats the point. More importantly agility is unnecessary if you are stealthy enough to approach and kill your target before they even know a threat is present. This is where the greater range comes into play as well. Range creates options. Besides if you really do it right you kill the aircraft, airfields, and aviators on the ground. The best arguments are won before they ever occur.

Well done Japan, can't wait to see it fly.

Japan wanted to buy the YF-23's because the US forbade the export of the raptor. The Japanese wanted the Raptor because of its anti ship and missile capacity. I'm pretty sure the Raptor can hold 8 missiles internally but the F-35 can hold 4 with an upgrade to 6. They are more worried about China and ships so they wanted more missiles to use

@jimmykim4555

Жыл бұрын

Japan should withdraw from the nuclear non proliferation treaty and start building its own nuclear armed ballistic and cruise missiles as a deterrent against the Chinese, same goes for Australia and South Korea! Who gives a fuck if the chicoms have a meltdown!!! Nothing they can do unless they want to try and start a war.

@MrShwaggins

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmykim4555 True, but we could just help them build a badass submarine with nuclear capabilities.

Especially in bed weather and night flights are another way to hide what you're doing night speaks for itself

One of these birds is on display at the Western Museum of Flight in Torrance CA.

We should have bought both,the f23 would be the interceptor, the f22 would be the fight and we would be better off !!!

Isn't the 6th generation fighter shown in the video BAE Systems Tempest? Now, I realise since that the project has been combined with Mitsubishi F-X to cut costs and create the "Global Combat Air Program" along side Italy.

@thomasblankinship98

Жыл бұрын

That is a British-Japanese partnership looking to jointly develop a 6th generation on their own.

Build it!

Of course the choice is clear... the Skywarden. WEAPONIZED CROP DUSTERS! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

THE F15 EAGAL IS A LEGEND, A TRULY BAD MF'ER..

Update , design , advance , launch ! Can’t summarise more

Give it more wing in the diamond 💎 shape for carrying full loads from island to aircraft carriers and the other way around to bounce your aircraft off of either or

yeah flight range and better stealth would have been good.. both should have been made, 100 of each. The more problems Engineers have to fix the smarter they eventually get... and the better the innovation.

Very nice in theory…

Could the pilots refusing to put on that show be them being paid off not to put on a show?

you're really right politics always hinders new ideas!

It's thirty years old. Yes, it may have been ahead of its time but *THAT TIME WAS THIRTY YEARS AGO.* I think we should see what they can design TODAY.

@WJV9

Жыл бұрын

Obviously it won''t be the same as the original internally, but the original aerodynamics are still competitive.

@corneliuscrewe677

Жыл бұрын

Whatever they design today won’t fly for another 25 years.

THE F-23 IS TOO GOOD TO PUT IN THE MEMORY-HOLE.....

The USAF would be way ahead, if they had chosen the F23 instead of the F22.

Visual stealth will be part of NG aircraft along with other factors

I am cool with the USAF choosing the F-22 as the ATF but I feel the U.S. Navy should have not turned its head away from the Naval ATF proposals in 1990 and adopted a navalized aircraft carrier operating version of the F-23 fighter to replace the F-14s. I would of called that naval aircraft " Sky Shark ". in this justification the United States military would of had both aircraft in the inventory. that's just me. I am a USAF veteran maintainer of F-15s F-16s and KC-135Rs

that YF23 looks like it would bitchslap the Raptor

I really hope that we have aircraft protected from missile attack and any other attack

My mom worked on this. Northrop spent half the money Lockheed did to develop their prototypes and did so on time. Lockheed was late.

In December, only about a month ago, it was announced the Japanese, the British and the Italian s, will combine resources to build the next generation Fighter as a part of the British Tempest program. This video is behind events. Very likely A series of drones will be an integral part of the fighter.band the US is working on a similar concept.

US is finally showing something about "modern" technology? No way dude 😂

Make it Cruse at mach two or better and 2.8 would be great faster better because what they can't see or even pick up on their radar will be to late because they would have been already engaged and the stealth crafts would be making space between them and any chance to engage the stealth crafts

If the F-23 had longer range than the F-22, I think the navy needs to ditch the F/A-18 and use navalized F-23’s.

B Duce Ace rolling down the strip Stealth bomber daddy gotta take a little trip

@Rjsjrjsjrjsj

Жыл бұрын

Jesus. How many comments did you post? Get a life. 🙄

For me the YF23 has better design than the F22, but the air force choose the F22 for the reasons you spoke here I think the U. S. should try booth planes!

@niweshlekhak9646

Жыл бұрын

Right it is too expensive even for the US, they are making F/A-XX, NGAD, F-35s, 9 new aircraft carriers, B-21, MEALS defense system and god knows what other programs.

I say f22 and f23 was good plane at the time both is good

🤞 I have forever loved the design of the YF-23. All the reasons (excuses) the military made not to adopt the platform was such a mistake. The F-22 is a fantastic aircraft but for me it's conservative design never caught my eye.

How many great things have been discover and or matured since these aircraft flew and if the YF was good when it was designed and think of addressing any more lethal to other aircraft in NATO or out

The NGAD platform will look similar, guaranteed.

I’m curious to know what type of prototypes they’re testing in 2023

The U.S. messed up when they stopped the YF-23 advancements. Last I heard Japan wanted 6 additionalYF-23 fighters built for their own testing

I would love to see the YF-23 in service but that ship has sailed. I have no idea why some channels continue to say it's going to in production or even an updated variant? The next generation American Fighter will probably borrow from the F35, F22 and F23 but will not be a redux F-23

@niweshlekhak9646

Жыл бұрын

It's because whatever is shown of the F/A-XX looks a lot like YF-23.

Should bring the YF-23

23 all the way but I still say talk the best of both along with new technology and we will be able to make NG aircraft and even technology in the B21 stealth bombers new technology to actually make a aircraft that the enemies can't see or get a lock on the crafts

I like the way the Japanese aren’t rushing things and also are humble enough to learn from the US. It’s the same reason I only buy Toyota products.

@michaelflamingsword3131

Жыл бұрын

With many recalls. 🤣😂

Just think about that 1990 this is where we were at 30 years ago

It should be noted that both YF-23 prototypes survived the flyoff. None of the YF-22 prototypes survived. I know why the YF-23 did not try to fly like the YF-22 pilots did. I don't think I should say it here though. Had nothing to do with the planes capability. It would have likely done as well with maneuverability as the '22 did if it weren't for this reason. The '23 beat the '22 to the flight line by 6 months. The USAF had to issue a formal 6 month delay in the program to give Lockheed a chance to catchup.

@DrsharpRothstein

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It would be interesting to hear why you think the 23 pilots "did not try to fly like the YF-22 pilots did." From what I understand the flying portion was a technology demonstration to eliminate risks and to show the government the contractors could do what they claimed. It was not to 'wring' all the performance out of the prototype aircraft.

YF-23 wasn’t a code name, it was a US Tri-Service designation.

I thought the reason that the Raptor won was that it was in the US' national interest that Lockheed Martin didn't go out of business despite that the YF-23 was a better fighter.

@tastywaves6043

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At the end of the day the F22 won because it was more maneuverable hence it would be a better fighter.

@TraderDan58

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Lockheed also had a superior lobbyist ($$$$$) and they greased some palms assuring the choice of the Yf-22. Think I’m wrong? DYOR. You’ll see I’m correct. It was well documented during the process

@Potatomnk

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@@TraderDan58 whether its correct or not if your only argument is DYOR you should just not say anything.

@TraderDan58

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@@Potatomnk LOL. All I did was point out that Politics played a part in a Defense Contract. That happens all the time in case you didn’t know. And I’ll say anything I want thank you very much.

@Potatomnk

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​@@TraderDan58 i never said you can't say what you want i said you should have a better defense than DYOR. when you make arguments like that all you do is make it easier for people to dismiss when it actually happens. if you have a source i would love to see it because the only reason i found was that the f22 was more maneuverable.

YB-23! Make it bigger to be a missle mule and tactical bomber!

Yf 23 is the same su 57 Russian fighter jet,❤ l love back widow YF 23,is futuristik Alien tehnologi,

Mix the best of the two and it's going to have to be cheaper to operate them and stealth is great but if it's costs cut deeper and deeper into other aircrafts budget just for a couple hundred of them we need to lesson the steep price to keep them operational the sticker price ain't nothing it's operational costs everything

Well how would one know... Perhaps there's already a black ops squadron of these operational for years

How about we make stealth stealth and fighters fighters and we just mix up what we have in the air like new F15s

Make larger tanks for fuel permanent not add on parts and still keep the same stealth