The problem with Zach Snyder is that he likes visuals but doesn’t do visual story telling. None of the visuals in the two movies mean anything or make sense

@dosomestuff1949

26 күн бұрын

He had some really good visual storytelling and symbolizism in bvs though

@onglanh5329

26 күн бұрын

​@@dosomestuff1949More like he hit us in the face with all the symbolism that had nothing to do with the story or the characters

@dosomestuff1949

26 күн бұрын

@@onglanh5329 sparks falling down in the opening scene symbolizing Bruce's descent from the Batman he used to be? "Nothing to do with story or characters."

@petriew2018

26 күн бұрын

@@dosomestuff1949 yeah, nothing, because he forgot to do any character building before that. You can only supply the meaning for Snyder after the fact if you go into the movie with an intimate knowledge of Batman.... AND have already seen the movie once to know that the point is to basically assassinate the character of Batman.... You go into this movie as the average viewer and that means basically fuck all to you

@rensaudade

26 күн бұрын

And he's surrounded by Yes-men. He doesn't like people who disagree with him.

This movie is a good argument against letting AI write scripts. If any AI did not write this script, then holy crap.

@merphul

26 күн бұрын

It does have a "wikipedia" flavor to it when it's not trying to sound "epic".

@commandZee

26 күн бұрын

AI writing has been my suspicion as well.

@fulcrum6760

24 күн бұрын

Snyder says he’s against AI but this movie says otherwise.

@bronquitis890

23 күн бұрын

In fact, Is More like the writing of a teenager, or a college student that Is starting in the film School.

@Violaphobia

19 күн бұрын

I think it's fair to describe Snyder as an "Artificial Intelligence"

Jimmy says 'in myth' when talking about Princess Issa, which makes you think the princess was killed a long time ago, but Kora crashlanded on the moon after running away after helping her adopted dad kill the royal family, and she's been with the farmers for 2 seasons which should be 2 years, so...that's a short time to have a myth going around. Jimmy also says 'on the day of her coronation' is when Issa and her family were killed, but in Part 2 the royal family is killed in a furnace room on a new dreadnought. Something not adding up here.

@gvd72

5 күн бұрын

They didn’t think that far lol

@shamrockdragon7634

5 күн бұрын

@@gvd72 Indeed

Rebel Moon doesn't need a Director's Cut. It needs a theatrical cut where they hire a competent editor to rearrange the footage filmed for Part I and Part II into a 110 minute film. It wouldn't fix how uninspired the story is, but at least we might get a bland movie that's tolerable and somewhat entertaining. In its current form, Rebel Moon is unfit as entertainment.

Zack Snyder is a high school kid who was given money to adapt his piss poor English creative writing homework.

@nikolatasev4948

24 күн бұрын

No way, this sounds more like elementary school gibberish. Trying to be epic but being just incoherent.

a world ending ship couldnt make its own food

@Violaphobia

19 күн бұрын

It's less that the ship should make it's own food, but that a ship capable of interstellar travel somehow thinks that it's best source of food is a village like 200 people who farm everything by hand. A literal plot of idiots

@tahnadana5435

5 күн бұрын

@@Violaphobia zack snyder dont understand scale, maybe thats why he really believe that BS 300 spartan story

@tahnadana5435

5 күн бұрын

@@Violaphobia zack dont understand scale, thats why he truly believe that 300 spartan BS story, winning against the odds through what he understands as "macho" and what we understand as pedophilia apparently

This film made my brain, my soul, and my love for storytelling all melt away.

In addition to mocking the shitty dialogue and story... i love that you point out missed opportunities and hilarious editing choices. Good luck with your channel bro. Yours is among the better RM2 reviews I've seen.

@SirNeverGiveUp

26 күн бұрын

Thank you, appreciate the kind words

"How are you gonna make a longer Director's Cut if you don't even have enough footage for *this* film?" ... SLOW MOTION, BABY!!!!

You know how when you go on free streaming sites like Tubi you see a ton of really on the nose mockbusters, stuff with titles like "Battle Star Wars" that are very obviously trying to capitalize on the popularity of Star Wars? Rebel Moon feels like if one of those somehow managed to get an absurdly high budget.

Part of me can’t grasp why this project was greenlit to begin with. It’s lacking in every aspect. I’m not lying when I say that if you fell asleep after the first 5 minutes and woke up 5 minutes before the end you would not miss anything. No context, no emotion, no story… you would click right back in just not in a good way. This whole movie series is taking itself so seriously while saying nothing of importance. A film equivalent to some politician‘s rally speeches. Truly unbelievable! Edit: spelling

@vaiyt

16 күн бұрын

zach snyder brand recognition

At least Turkish Star Wars and similar SW knock-off movies of the time are usually fun. This movie is really up its own ass, I’m not saying that I want quips and every character to be a comedian but it could use taking itself a little less seriously.

This movie should come as no surprise to anyone. Zach Snyder has shown us many times that his movies LOOK good, but lack substance. Slow motion for no discernible reason. Sadly, his flair for visuals is exactly as good as his cinematographer and where he serves in this capacity himself (Army of the Dead, and Rebel Moon) the movie looks like sh*t smeared un screen (I found myself wiping my monitor several times). All of this bad 'storytelling' was evident from Suckerpunch. What this movie needs is Toshiro Mifune, but as he was in the ORIGINAL Seven Samurai, I doubt he would touch it if he was still alive.

Zach lies with the director's cut of his films. Because he re-shoots and adds new scenes.

@yurikendal4868

26 күн бұрын

That justice league was 4 hours of pure pretentious

@petriew2018

26 күн бұрын

@@yurikendal4868 made with the benefit of hindsight about what parts of his 'original vision' was a dumb idea in the first place.

100% new subscriber just for slaggin both this entire movie and Charlie's Belfast accent😂😂😂

Everything you are saying here is exactly what I said through the movie. I didn't get a chance to know anyone and when there was finally a fight it was so boring.

@SchulzEricT

26 күн бұрын

People still think Zack Snyder can at least do visuals, but like... no, he really can't. That fight was boring because think about why the "good guys" won: they slow-motion walked down a hallway while firing and the bad guys just couldn't handle it. Nothing in any of his movies is visually interesting because none of it *means* anything. Mr "Themes are for book reports" doesn't have the first idea not only how to tell stories, but WHY we tell stories.

a longer, adult director's cut? Meaning one made by an adult director???

Great work on these video essays! You should watch _Andor,_ it's to Star Wars what _The Suicide Squad_ and _Peacemaker_ is to the DCEU.

Oooooo, slight across the spiderverse shade. Here for it. Please stop giving Edge Snyder money, how many Godzilla Minus Ones did this cost!?

Congrats on this video doing so well, the algorithm doesn't make that easy

@SirNeverGiveUp

26 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

I didn't have high expectations going into either Rebel Moon films, but I was hoping it was more solid then a lot of the feedback it got. My impressions of the films were more or less similar. I think i am generally pretty forgiving too and would have given it more of a pass for being heavy on Star Wars and Sci-Fi tropes and inspiration if the characters or story were still interesting. I had trouble caring about the characters however, and some of the decisions of direction of the story confused me. I think the movies would have been a lot more serviceable if many things that were provided in exposition by monologs were shown or revealed over time. Like expose us to why the Imperium is bad and disliked through their actions throughout the movie, so as the movie goes on we see it for ourselves and better understand why so many characters are opposed to them. The amount of constant exposition through dialog feels like the writers either didn't trust their audience or didn't have much experience writing and didn't know how to effectively expose us to the world rather than tell us. Also when they 'show' things I feel like it's often not done well. Such as the Imperium doing evil things because they are evil - like the main antagonist in the second movie killing a technician because they didn't like that they mentioned that more tests should be ran after healing him. It was inconvenient for Noble so he just shoots him. In the second movie I actually started getting bored and felt like I might fell asleep, and that's not something I normally do with movies. When the characters are preparing for the battle or die in it I didn't feel invested enough in them to feel the tension or sadness of what happened. Being forgiving I think the movie had some interesting characters and world building potential there, but they did a poor job executing it. Better editing and decisions on how they told the story probably wouldn't have made it a great movie, but it would have been better.

@RyanKarolak

27 күн бұрын

Also now that I think about it, it seems like the Zach was trying to create a lot of lore at once but at the same time lost sight of the immediate story itself. As a Star Wars and Star Trek fan I really like lore and learning more about an expansive universe, but I think the lore here gets so much exposition in these movies that it takes away from the central plot. The first movie really should have been more focused. Make a great story that makes us want more lore, not a lot of lore that makes us want a great story. Also it doesn't seem like it's ever communicated well why the Imperium was so determined and desperate to get grain from this colony to the point of bleeding them dry. Maybe if they showed somehow that the Imperium was in a state of scarce resources I'd make more sense. The main motivation of the bad guys for the initial conflict seemed really underdeveloped.

@Tamaki742

27 күн бұрын

It just seems that the movie is too impatient to take its time on the important things, and more preoccupied in showing the cool stuff it wants you to see, but also doing that poorly.

@petriew2018

26 күн бұрын

@@RyanKarolak if i had to pin the problems of this movie down to one thing, i think it's because Zack went into it with this weird goal of forcing it to be his new forever franchise. He spends a lot of time force feeding you backstory of a universe he hopes you'll get excited for, but gives you very little reason to really give a damn The Star Wars comparisons are obvious, but also very useful. Lucas sets up the story with a few paragraphs of backstory, enough to give you an idea of what the immediate stakes are. Then that's all completely thrown to the side as the movie takes half an hour introducing you to a simply farm boy who dreams of more. He makes you care about this character in front of you and how the universe relates to him as the story moves forward. That's obviously not a ground breaking, revolutionary approach to story telling, but it works very well. You get people emotionally invested in what's happening NOW. Snyder gives us mouth pieces to monologue about shit that's either happening someplace else or happened years ago, accompanied by superficially neat visuals about a universe he frankly mostly stole from Warhammer 40K anyway, but without the satirical charm. Most of the audience does not care at this point because that's an abstraction. It's JUST neat visuals and a backstory, no emotional connection to any of it because what's happening in the now is made to feel largely irrelevant. Whether or not the Imperium gets the grain doesn't actually matter in the long term outside of the villagers, who are all backround characters who exist to dump exposition on. Zack, unfortunately, has his mind 5 movies down the line where the story arcs of all his main characters actually start reaching something like a conclusion, which he just assumes your dying to see. Unfortunately for these first two movies.... yeah, why do we actually care if these people live or die? This backwater skirmish has no real personal importance to any of them as far as we can tell.

Great breakdown!! I know you said you’d wait for the next four (possible) movies, but I’m dying to hear your breakout of Rebel Moon: Part 2, The Scar-giver

@SirNeverGiveUp

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I haven't even watched part 2. I watched the first 10 minutes and started to get that same second-hand embarrassment. I'm dreading it.

@hurkoarsman3382

24 күн бұрын

@@SirNeverGiveUp I wouldn’t recommend ANYONE watch Part 2, it’s TERRIBLE! With the exception of someone who could help educate future filmmakers and cinephiles on what makes it so terrible. If I didn’t think you’d do a great job on its vivisection, I wouldn’t ask you to suffer through it. But if you do, you’re definitely going to have to gird your loins beforehand.

23:50 - 24:05 Apparently, this movie feels like a video game, so it kinda makes sense his club 'clips' to a metal pipe, just like most video game assets do to walls/obstacles.

Ok obvious that the storyline is from Seventh Samurai, Magnificent Seven and Bugs Life. Obvious that one character is an Irish Indianna Jones who is bad , because they cannot have an alpha male white guy. But why no mention of her and the kings relationship copied completely from Thanos and Gamora?

Andor is fucking great though

The problem is not that the characters reveal what they're about right away, it's that they stand there and dump their backstories instead of having said story inform their actions. Same thing with feelings, they explain what their feelings are instead of acting on them.

I like your New York accent while imitating the writer, lol.

Movies like Rebel Moon make me go back to Hannibal the series.

Another thing I'm reminded of by Admiral Noble's shirt and tie is Book of Mormon the Musical.

the Belfast accent was hysterical.. that actor claimed he 'nailed it' and i disagree strongle lol also.. am i hearing some Destiny OST here & there?

It is really jarring and baffling when a filmmaker makes movies where things don't make sense but it is not pure mintage. It is supposed to make sense...but...it just doesn't.

Ok -- this is my favorite Rebel Moon review video. Bravo 😅😅😅

@SirNeverGiveUp

26 күн бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate that :)

The look in Charlie Hunnam’s eyes. He deserves so much better

It really annoys me the way she swings the sledgehammer to ring the bell without moving her hands. She’s clearly never swung an axe, maul, sledgehammer, etc. or anything that you use the weight of the tool to add force to your swing.

Omg . I just realized that Snyder thinks he”s in the same league as Peter Jackson!!! Ha

Thank you for correctly identifying Kai's accent! You're one of the few who have done that.

@SirNeverGiveUp

26 күн бұрын

It was some of the worst whiplash I have ever experienced watching a film lol

@shamrockdragon7634

26 күн бұрын

@@SirNeverGiveUp 😂

Everything you said is straight up facts 🤙🏼 I can't believe you didn't mention the unbearably annoying overuse of slow-mo. Snyder just doesn't understand the concept of slow-mo. It's supposed to enhance the moment or emphasize something specific. He just throws it in whenever he can because he thinks it looks cool. Absolutely no subtlety. It was soooo infuriating omg

@alexx5064

19 күн бұрын

that’s how I felt when I saw Watchmen for the first time too. drove me to the brink of insanity. look what they did to *my boy*

Nice video dude, keep up the good work!

@SirNeverGiveUp

27 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

I would really want to say that Madam Web has the worst movie dialogs in recent years, but fortunately for that movie, we have Rebel Moon 1 and 2.

Why have all actors got to be buff in movies? It's getting ridiculous. Meanwhile the Regent has a suspension of disbelief killing fake beard, or it looks that way.

Long directors' cut = even more overbearing slow-motion scenes

Finally someone picked up on charlie hunnams horrible accent! Most American reviewers missed it but it was so annoying. Why did Snyder make him speak in an accent? There was no need for it

I guess AI would have written a better film than this film.

honestly, I though army of the dead was horrible and rebel moon was more of that brand of awful

I didn’t mind part 1 but part 2 went downhill fast. Action could be cool but I didn’t care about anything that was happening. With 4hrs of screen time Snyder still failed to get me attached to these characters. I was just bored. I’m done with this franchise now. Great review!

@SirNeverGiveUp

23 күн бұрын

Thanks for the kind words :)

I have no idea why Netflix gave a greenlight to this crap.

A simpleton can be a good director.

Ok so is the movie just a fashion show masquerading as a film? Are there people who just like seeing "attractive" people doing nerdy type scifi shit? Its terribly shallow and depressing but at least it would explain why it was made.

@vaiyt

16 күн бұрын

Culture warriors would have you believe that's what all nerds want.

Great video

@SirNeverGiveUp

27 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

Star Wars uses "Blasters" not lasers.. not the same thing.

bump

Army of the dead is a trash Alien rip off, as Moon is a trash Star Wars rip off, for morons and edgy teens which basically sums up Snyder.

Woah, you saying across the spiderverse being bad? You lost me

@SirNeverGiveUp

26 күн бұрын

It was a bit tongue and cheek, but imagine following up one of the greatest animated films of all time with an overly long film that doesn't even really end. I enjoyed it, but it was significantly worse than the original.

Video game cutscene movie

Mate, just watch Andor.

how is spider verse bad? 💀

Bro is the guy who made this video Scottish or American, that accent is so strange.

@SirNeverGiveUp

11 күн бұрын

Neither mate, I'm from Northern Ireland. I get the accent comment a lot IRL though lol

@Ytomany

11 күн бұрын

@@SirNeverGiveUp The curveball, like a Shyamalan twist.

Snyder is obsessed with SA... He ALSO had these themes in 300 AND Sucker Punch... 🫤 Tysm for speaking on this because I thought I was the only one who had noticed! New to the channel! Great video!