Enjoying this conversation? Make sure you pick up Helen's book: www.amazon.com/Trans-Sunday-Bestseller-Helen-Joyce/dp/0861543726/

@charlesmartel8023

10 ай бұрын

They say genitals don’t decide a baby’s sex or gender at birth, but the first thing they want to do is cut the genitals off of children. If it doesn’t matter at birth why does it matter so much later that children are actually getting mutilated. Insanity and Evil. And yes Evil does exist, because of Free Will. Otherwise we would be just preprogrammed robots.

@zendogbreath

10 ай бұрын

thank you. now apply this to vaccine mandates. ukraine war neocons. all fraudulent woke issues of the day.

@imacmill

10 ай бұрын

Ahhh, it's a book advertisement! Now it makes sense. Another grifter fishing in the frightened guppies. JP Patches is proud of this woman.

@zendogbreath

10 ай бұрын

@@imacmill calling people names and avoiding dealing with the issues raised. so strong and persuasive. go back to censoring dissent. perhaps you can build consensus for your beliefs that way again.

@imacmill

10 ай бұрын

@@zendogbreath LOL. You people aren't capable of having a rational discussion about anything. You're all frightened little children that glom on to a host of cultish personalities to tell you that your fears are founded, all while they make big bucks off you. So go buy her book, dopie, and Jordon Peterson's books, and vote Trump while donating to his legal defense. The more money you give, the more likely it is they'll save you from the horrors of the world. Or, more likely, goad you into dragging the country down into a totalitarian, fascist shithole.

I'm a biological anthropologist/bioarchaeologist (paleontologists study dinosaurs, anthropologists/archaeologists study humans and human ancestors) and I have quite literally built my entire career around a specialism in identifying biological sex from osteological remains (bones). This is almost always done visually and with measurements, and approaches 100% accuracy depending on the state of degradation and bone in question. It is rare to determine sex through biomolecular means (ie, dna, etc) because this process is both expensive and destructive to the specimen. I can assure you...as a general rule... It is very easy to tell the difference between male and female skeletons. My research focuses on evidence for females participating in physically violent activities in the human past, so I do believe that (reproductive roles aside) the functions of men and women in a given society are based largely on the rules of said society (as well as any individual physical and sexed biological limitations). To say that there are more than two sexes or that a person is able to change their biological sex is simply a popular modern mythology with zero backing in scientific reality.

@maxwest6595

10 ай бұрын

I wish you good luck with your career in this era.

@pixiwix

10 ай бұрын

@@maxwest6595 Thank you for the well wishes - it is a challenge, for sure. Thankfully, I have found ways to continue my research without overly relying on outside grant funding to support it. I do try to keep a low profile and not ruffle feathers, however, preferring to let the facts/data speak for itself. I do my best not to let political or social sentiments influence or color my work and I think this keeps me from being targeted by certain elements of society (thus far at least, fingers crossed that it remains that way going forward).

@jlm3124

10 ай бұрын

When I went to physio school, we all had to have a skeleton. The first thing we did was identify whether it was a man or a woman.

@AngelRamirez-zv6qp

10 ай бұрын

Who says that there are more than 2 sexes and that someone can change their biological sex? Maybe a few people who misunderstand transgenderism. Are you one?

@012345678940975

10 ай бұрын

​​@@pixiwixThe way it's going, I'm afraid you won't be able to fly under the radar for long. I think at some point, everyone is going to be forced to pick a side and contest the opposing side. To me, it's an easy choice. I'm committed to THE TRUTH and objective reality, whether I find it personally comforting or not. Perhaps just as important, I'm a father of two young girls. I don't want them to be infected by this poisonous ideology and I don't want their future riddled with the social traps associated with the trans cult. I will gladly take on this fight for them so it doesn't become their fight when they're older.

Helen’s comment at the end about the parents who have harmed their children irrevocably is spot on. It’s truly tragic

@fredjimbob2962

11 ай бұрын

While I agree with her sentiment that most of these people will be do everything they can to maintain that what they did was right, there are some that will admit they made a mistake, especially those whose child may have subsequently detransitioned. e.g. there's a video on youtube called "I Transitioned My Child - I Regret It"

@hoggst1985

11 ай бұрын

Yes, based on my experience talking with parents that drugged their little boys with ritalin and other "ADHD" drugs, most will double down.

@tellytighe

11 ай бұрын

Like women who’ve had abortions can Never admit they killed their child.

@consciouscrypto3090

11 ай бұрын

I think this is why when you start engaging in debate about this topic someone always wants to identify at the outset as the parent of a trans child. They think that means ppl will walk on eggshells and be unwilling to say what needs saying. Little do they know I'm not that polite.

@AgentMucha

11 ай бұрын

Helen is phenomenal

Helen's last statements about parents gave me chills. She is 100% right, these parents that butchered their young child will fight to the end and will keep this social contagion alive forever.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

Hardly any trans people get surgery.

@dianekrenz6789

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely right. That is terrifying and spot on.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

@@dianekrenz6789 Hardly any trans people get surgery.

@PapaEmeritusII

10 ай бұрын

I would say most of these parents were scared with "would you rather a dead child or a trans child"

@ZoeColcheedas-wy9zy

10 ай бұрын

TRUTH is important to us.

The way Helen ends this with “because they have everything to lose and it’s a fight to the death as far as they’re concerned” and then takes that drink of cool water is everything. What a Queen!

Her episode was censored because of their discussion about autogynephilia and the prevalence of sexual paraphilia in the population of trans women. That’s strictly forbidden to talk about, because the core truth of the ideology is that a male fetishist is just as much a woman as your dear old grandmother, and because that identity is self described it isn’t falsifiable. They believe AGPs are women, and gender dysphoria is not required. This idea is so bizarre that any normal person would resist, so it has to be concealed at any cost.

@TallisKeeton

11 ай бұрын

Who are AGP?

@danteortega6510

11 ай бұрын

@@TallisKeetonit’s the autogynephillia term op used in their comment. It means to be a man who is sexually aroused at the thought of them being/appearing as a woman. As for paraphillia it’s definition is the have se*ual desires that are characterized as abnormal and often include extreme/dangerous activities

@TallisKeeton

11 ай бұрын

@@danteortega6510 I knew what autogynephilia means I just didnt know this short term AGP in English as I m not English speaker, thanks a lot :)

@danteortega6510

11 ай бұрын

@@TallisKeeton no problem!

@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it

11 ай бұрын

AGP is Accelerated Graphics Port. Precursor of. PCI Express Change my mind.

Ms. Joyce's book _Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality_ is superb. I always enjoy her clarity, honesty, and bravery. Excellent choice, Peter.

@Lilleybugglane

11 ай бұрын

It's the next book on my nightstand to read!!! 🇺🇸

@tajdvl-advocate6113

11 ай бұрын

Jordan Peterson talked to her first and was canceled by KZread for it. You’re next Peter if you’re not careful, a fact that, based on your struggle with this conversation, you’re clearly aware of.

@XKenny77

11 ай бұрын

@@tajdvl-advocate6113 It's hard to guess what might have come up on the JP episode that she hasn't said in a dozen other interviews. If you search for her on KZread, you can even find the incident that all the TRAs claim prove she wants to exterminate them all. That's never been taken down.

@user-sm7pm1df3e

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I just finished it. She’s brilliant.

@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs

11 ай бұрын

She’s an idiot she doesn’t talk about how it’s been around fir wins. She has promoted the anti semitic

Every few months Helen Joyce comes back penetrating new insights into the sorry phenomenon of Gender Ideology. She’s out there cutting a trail through the forest for the rest of us to follow. Brilliant woman.

@AmyTee12

9 ай бұрын

The culture-bound syndrome insight is the one that floored me this time (Peter, too, apparently). Helen is a treasure.

@samij6071

7 ай бұрын

She's fantastic - I love her.

@TacticalGamingFool

4 ай бұрын

Nominalnaomi would wipe the floor with this hateful loser

Listening to Helen Joyce is always an absolute delight. She is highly intelligent, witty, and reassuringly down-to-earth. She is EXACTLY the person we need in these crazy times! Thanks so much for this interview!

@defendliberty1289

9 ай бұрын

And most importantly: She does not mince her words.

Nobody is better at articulating and debating this issue than Helen Joyce

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

11 ай бұрын

Well said, although Andrew Doyle did a stellar job in his recent interview with Boghossian.

@SAPERE69

11 ай бұрын

What are the best points she makes in your view?

@XKenny77

11 ай бұрын

@@SAPERE69 Men aren't women. That's the whole argument. Everything else is just reasons why it matters.

@SAPERE69

11 ай бұрын

@@XKenny77 I think what you’re trying to say is that biological males cannot be women in any sense; is that accurate?

@XKenny77

11 ай бұрын

@@SAPERE69 I meant what I said. There is only one meaning of "man" and only one sense in which one can be a woman. They are very precisely defined terms. A man is an adult human male a woman is an adult human female. That's the ball game.

You can't be on the right side of history if you're on the wrong side of reality. Because reality always wins.

@reapthewhirlwind4166

10 ай бұрын

We can deny reality but we cannot deny the consequences of denying reality

@triom9128

10 ай бұрын

A fantastic read.

@012345678940975

10 ай бұрын

💯 I keep bringing up a similar point. You can't win a fight against your own biology and against nature. It's a losing battle that you'll suffer the consequences for whether you want to or not. Playing Frankenstein with nature is only going to lead to your self-destruction.

@johannjohann6523

9 ай бұрын

Except so often the "winners" have a tendency to "re-write" history, casting a new, if false reality. In order to protect the guilty, and further their agenda. All because "we can't handle the truth" nonesense. But you are correct. Changing the narrative doesn't change the reality, it just sweeps it under the rug.

@keep-ukraine-free528

8 ай бұрын

Another way to say it is that evidence comes from reality. Evidence is defined as a specific example/proof, from reality. This is why good science is always "reality based" (empirical, which means "coming from reality/evidence"). "Trans women" (with pen!ses) tend to be very angry & threatening. They have for years threatened scientists doing research on "gender" & "trans", mostly because their research often disproved "gender". Early properly-conducted research looking at "gender" nearly always found it to be false (untrue, non-existent). So violent trans activists got those scientists fired or their careers destroyed. Scientists soon stopped studying "gender" & "trans". The violent trans people must be stopped. They attack & harm anyone they disagree with. They favor violence. Today there is no good strong science on it because good scientists no longer work in this area (out of fear). Any "science" on the subject is from people with little understanding of statistics (a core part of science) - and current "gender research" uses techniques of pseudo-science (e.g. surveys, small sample sizes, anecdotal accounts, "self-reporting", etc.). Imagine using "self-reporting" to find criminals. Ask a child to "self-report" whether they stole the cookie or not. Will it work? Imagine asking a hypochondriac (someone who believes they have diseases) to "self-report" a diagnosis. This is the level of pseudoscience used by "gender research" people (who aren't properly trained in science).

"A Woman is NOT a Castrated Man....."💯💥

@clogs4956

3 ай бұрын

Nor an emasculated one. There is a significant difference; we castrate male animals to stop them breeding, but we don’t remove their functioning penis. Eunuchs were castrati. Also: although some religions (notably the worship of Cybele and Attis) employed self-emasculation, with medical help at hand, it was a form of execution back in bad old days.

@barbaramattson817

2 ай бұрын

EVERY FETUS IS FEMALE. THEN MUTATES INTO MALE. NO ONE IS 100% EITHER WAY. EVERY ONE IS A MATTER OF DEGREES. TO SAY THAT GOD, NATURE, INTELLIGENT DESIGN. DRAWS THE LINE AT MISMATCHED BUY ALLOWS EVERYTHING ELSE BABYS ARE BORNED WITH, IS JUST PLAIN STUPID EVIL. TELL MEEE ABOUT DYSLEXIA.

@barbaramattson817

2 ай бұрын

YOU MAY WANT IT TOOBEE THAT WAY TWO FEED YOUR FEAR AND NEED TO HATE, BUT IT IS NOT THAT WAY. SOME PEOPLE ARE BORNED MISMATCHED. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. DARK MINDED PEOPLE WILL FADE AWAY, AS THEY ALL-WAYS DOOO. ALLOWING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON EVERYONE ELSE.

@barbaramattson817

2 ай бұрын

YOU SAID NOTHING@@theoutsider6191

@st.dennie1149

2 ай бұрын

@@barbaramattson817 Why do you type like you have a brain injury? You cannot transition, you're not a butterfly.

"Lower the cost of speaking freely" Yes Helen. You nailed it. Funny how often solutions to seemingly complex problems are simple.

Helen is super brave and super smart. Huge respect to her. It's such a shame that she has been blacklisted by mainstream TV channels, especially the BBC.

@EcosseOuiser

11 ай бұрын

All mainstream news channels in the UK are bias : BBC, ITV, C4, Sky all push the one narrative and it’s why alternative news channels should be supported such as Talk TV, GBNews, Spiked, UnHerd etc. You only have to look at who they invite onto these programmes to see where their allegiance falls

@Martin-jd3oc

11 ай бұрын

That is the world we live in at the moment - tragically.

@andrewwood7303

11 ай бұрын

But who could give a shit about mainstream channels if they put their ideology ahead of rational discussion?

@liverpoolmary2860

11 ай бұрын

I don’t watch BBC anymore stopped listening to radio 4

@imacmill

11 ай бұрын

​@@andrewwood7303_rational discussion_ What does that mean to you? What should this rational discussion lead to?

“It’s the impact on other people that fucks me off”. What a woman. ❤

@imacmill

11 ай бұрын

It's you people 'impacting' other people.

@MFYouTube683

11 ай бұрын

@@imacmillsorry, we don‘t talk to cult members. #makePRIDEproudAGAIN #LGBdropTheT #LGBalliance

@robn2497

11 ай бұрын

@@imacmill false

@eventerry9093

11 ай бұрын

@@imacmill I certainly hope so, as the level of the manipulation and delusional in the trans community is becoming increasingly more than just a mental health system failure and more a ideology to exploit children.

@smokexsmoke99

11 ай бұрын

How does adding to the number of women in a population erase others in that population? Since trans women are women, it just means there are more women in the population than there were before. But someone else’s existence does not erase mine, I still exist. I am thinking someone failed math in school.

"I translate the word "trans" as fake in my head." Well said.

@samuelschick8813

7 ай бұрын

Here's a video where Charlie Kirk flat out says it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o3lsx7ComrHLZaw.html

@marieorritt8115

Ай бұрын

Every time you head the word "trans woman" replace it with man and when you see the word "turf" change it to woman. You'll start noticing loads of misogyny towards us.

If you haven’t already done it, buy her book Trans. She deserves the support. We could get that book in the charts. Force mainstream media to really discuss the issues instead of repeating ‘be kind’ argument.

@stellafalconer6715

9 ай бұрын

I live in the Scottish Highlands and although I own this book and Material Girls by Kathleen Blackstock, I thought I would do a library search online, and got the same response for both: that they had no record of either book in any Highlands Library. Very telling, especially as Scottish Government supports self-ID. It appears that Waterstones here doesn’t have Trans on their shelves either. Helen is clearly considered a dangerous person with her truth-telling. She is wonderful, and I hope many more people will interview her as the mainstream British outlets are all captured.

@grahamrskelly6042

8 ай бұрын

@@stellafalconer6715 why do I want to listen to a mathematician comment about a biological issue with such assurance of her correctness yet when I listen to biologists who studied the matter they say Helen is wrong?

@helmaschine1885

5 ай бұрын

​@@grahamrskelly6042What biologists? The science is clear that there are 2 sexes, with separate variations not one continous spectrum, and arguing about gender beliefs is like arguing about religion, many people believe in it but that doesn't make it real.

@grahamrskelly6042

4 ай бұрын

@@helmaschine1885 hi, And what are your credentials? I have a Chem minor and an Anthropology degree. In your comment you straw-manned the argument and knocked it down. So I agree with you Sex is "not one continuous spectrum" Here is a actual scientist who has made a 30 min video for the public. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pa6alsqzgZjgpMo.htmlsi=L2-3JgL1yo2dvCax

@sarahwhyld5596

4 ай бұрын

​@@helmaschine1885 absolutely spot on.

Helen Joyce is an absolute voice of reason in this mayhem. Fantastic conversation and a great interview 👍🏻

@kate60

11 ай бұрын

Correct

@drpeterboghossian

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@grahamrskelly6042

9 ай бұрын

Yes more conversations where mathematicians tell us they know more then the biologists and psychiatrists who have been studying this for 90 years

This was a palate cleanser. Thank you both! I live in Spain and one lefty party has just appointed a transwomen as their LGBT and FEMINISM spokesperson and I am sick of this. The right here won't recognise domestic violence and the left won't recognise women!

@DerLiesl

11 ай бұрын

Great, another man in a female position! The suffragettes are turning in their graves.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@flyingsquid6062

11 ай бұрын

@@ambertico reducing gender mutilation and mental illness is not against human autonomy. Get help.

@userr7382

11 ай бұрын

@@amberticoomg you commented this everywhere. People say that about abortion All the Time. And it’s quite reasonable. Wanting people to feel comfortable in their bodies and wanting society to accept that sex is real and gender ideology is nonsense, is not being against bodily autonomy.

@katiemiaana

11 ай бұрын

Jesus I'm sorry they are really trying to kill off feminism, but they would have to kill us feminists too because I am a feminist to the core of my being.

"A woman is not a castrated man" is an instant classic for me.

@sa-amirel-hayeed699

2 ай бұрын

Utterly boils my blood to know that these things are happening practically kilometers away from me and that this is state funding approved from my tax dollars. It is literally becoming sinful to pay taxes now.

"I cannot bear people talking bullshit." Best Line Ever! You just summed up my entire life in a single sentence. I am a 62 year old woman. In elementary school, my classmate, Lisa Onchi, gave me a little Christmas present that was a keychain. On that keychain was a little "plaque" with a picture of Lucy from Peanuts carrying a picket sign that said, "Help Stamp Out Things That Need Stamping Out." I felt as though Lisa literally peered into my soul...in elementary school.

@drpeterboghossian

11 ай бұрын

😊

I LOVE that she’s coming out stronger than ever against this nonsense! She used to be more cautious but now she isn’t messing around. She’s right, there is no such thing as “trans”!

@memoryhero

11 ай бұрын

I don't think that's exactly what she said - and it matters. What she said is that "trans" is a purely social confection.

@electricfishfan7159

11 ай бұрын

Yes, and OP was correct anyways. “There is no such thing as trans,” is the same statement as, “there is no such thing as god.” She means what she said.

@smokexsmoke99

11 ай бұрын

Transgender people have the same brain structures of the gender they identify as.

@smokexsmoke99

11 ай бұрын

Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting transgender rights. Transgender women are women. Nearly all cis women support transgender rights and have no problem with them being in female spaces like changing rooms, shelters, and sports. Transgender women are not going to cause any problems for cis women.

@mr.mclibtard5015

11 ай бұрын

​@@smokexsmoke99 What rights don't they have?

The U.S. has an emotional maturity problem which I think is at the heart of all of this. We have taught successive generations that their feelings are more important than facts and it has reached a critical mass that is now self perpetuating. Reason requires discipline, emotional control, patience, an ability to set aside one's ego in order to reach the truth.

@ebikescrapper3925

9 ай бұрын

Look into Neoteny

@jenniferdeaton5130

9 ай бұрын

Yes, we have infantilized at least 2 generations, possibly more!!

Yes you can tell the difference between Male and Female Skeletal remains - * A male's skeleton is usually thicker, rougher and appears more bumpy, due to the fact that males have larger muscles and therefore their skeletons require stronger attachment sites. * Males possess a narrow pelvic cavity, broader shoulders, and longer rib cage. * The femur (thigh bone) of a male is thicker than a females. * The male acetabulum has been designed to fit a bigger femur. * The distance between the ischium bones is smaller in males. * The male pelvis is taller (owing to a higher iliac crest), narrower, and more compact. * The female pelvis is larger and broader to allow for childbirth. * The public arch is wide in females and narrow in males.

What I find is that people don’t actually think you can change your sex. They are just afraid of the consequences if they don’t go along with this ideology. Whenever I’ve debated somebody about This topic, there is fear in their eyes.

@ellenmccarthy7338

10 ай бұрын

It's a cult.

As an artist, I use a book called morpho, and when you know what to look for in skeletons, the differences between men and women are incredibly obvious.

If an anorexic female claimed that she was fat, and said that she knew that she was fat at an early age, and that she has felt fat for as long as she can remember, then should society affirm her that she is fat, and force doctors to give her Liposuction ? Or would you recognize that she has a mental illness and lovingly help her to get the psychological help that she clearly needs ?

"I can't believe what I don't believe". Me neither. Thank you for your work, Helen!

57:03 "You get off on cross-dressing...it turns you on, and suddenly you're 'stunning and brave' for doing that? It's amazing!"

Helen’s brother, Ed, was my captain as a professional cricketer. The critical thinking skills that he exhibited is something that is clearly a learned family skill. Helen has deeply thought, for years, about this subject and her ability to think about and describe these topics is impressive.

@XKenny77

11 ай бұрын

Sorry. I'm Scottish. I don't know anything about cricket except snippets I've learned from listening to HJ! He captained Sussex, didn't he? Did you meet or play with any of her other brothers? It must be a bit odd for her to have this whole family of cricket royalty, quietly working at a magazine that doesn't even have bylines, and then all of a sudden she's the most controversial woman in Britain!

@lewis_hatchett

11 ай бұрын

@@XKenny77 Yes we played for Sussex. Ed was my captain. His sisters played for Ireland too.

I am a Critical Care Nurse Specialist. Only about 15 years ago did there start to be research into the fact that women and men react differently to medications and have many times different symptoms to the same illness. Now, with politics involved pushing the Trans agenda, I am sure that there will be no more research into this important area causing increased danger to women!

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

How does conformity to stereotypes affect reactions to medications?

@lewreed1871

11 ай бұрын

@@Capybarrrraaaa My god you are a dick.

@sarahkoren7294

11 ай бұрын

@MrGamermandan By not allowing research into the very real differences between women's reaction to medications from men's and their different symptoms. As long as this lie about males can turn into females is exploited and those who disagree censored, women are in real danger. It took many centuries to finally convince the Medical Establishment of the obvious. Now, to please a minority of people who choose to push an agenda which hurts women, this research will be stopped No one will fund it, because they are afraid of being Transphobic! Our internal bodies are DIFFERENT from a man's. To make room for our Reproductive Systems, the placement, and blood flow is different! A Cardiac Surgeon knows that he should not use a woman's Mammary veins in a Coronary Artery Bypass Surgery, because he can cause necrosis to her breast tissue! And YOU dare to call these stereotypes? This is just ONE example! A man is helped by Aspirin under the tongue during a MI (heart attack). For a woman it DOES NOTHING! But there is NO research on what will help a woman! This has only been known in the last 2 decades because of research, that now, because of POLITICS and appeasement, will stop!

@at1970

10 ай бұрын

You need long no further than symptoms of an MI to see the a difference between the sexes. Of coarse there are many others.

@grahamrskelly6042

9 ай бұрын

What a weird claim? Now that trans people are around... Because we haven't been doing research on women before we won't do research on women now. Trans people are in polling feminist and want more research into the differences in men and women...

Helen is incredible in this. My first thought was to ask why I’ve never heard of her before, but given what she said about being blacklisted it’s hardly surprising.

Helen is a living legend.

I like Joyce's take on this. There is no such thing as trans. Period. Yep. I can go with that.

@questor55

11 ай бұрын

You have trans-identified. Adherents of the faith still have that.

@johndutchman

11 ай бұрын

I agree. Even with the severest of mental delusion, which I don't doubt exists, where someone is convinced they are the opposite sex . they are still under a mental affliction.

@Earthad23

11 ай бұрын

The entire ideology is a real tower of babble, incoherent propaganda communist gobbledygook.

@mdquaglia

11 ай бұрын

Notice how the lefty ideologues shorten it to "trans". They *can't* under any circumstances allow for the possibility that transvestites exist. Nope. If you're "trans", get in line at the clinic and start your transition.

@jonnash5196

11 ай бұрын

What does Stella OMalley and others at GENSPEC say about that ? They have a slightly softer approach

Helen is a modern hero. A wonderful role model for my daughter and every critical thinking person ❤

@nikobellic570

11 ай бұрын

When you discover her you really wake up!

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

@@nikobellic570 Radical feminists aren't critical thinkers.

@someonelastname8175

10 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for your daughter. Hate is a learned trait.

@codinghusky5196

10 ай бұрын

@@someonelastname8175 yes. at an early age we learn to hate and even express agression towards dangerous things. Policies that allow rapists to make a simple claim in order to get into women's bathrooms and women's prisons without women being allowed so much as to KNOW these men are present, should be hated and aggressively destroyed. There are women in prisons being impregnated by men claiming to be women. Women who were put in cells with rapists and raped at night when no one could help them, and are now forced to birth their rapist's children. These women aren't even informed if the men in their cells have AIDS, and some do. There are women in hospitals, naked, put in beds next to men claiming they're women. Do you want your daughter to be put in a hospital bed next to a man without her even knowing it's a man? Wake. DaFQ. UP.

@johnny12022

4 ай бұрын

​@@someonelastname8175 your comment is pure projection!

The parents who transitioned their child will fight that they did the right thing for the rest of their lives - she's right. At the same time, the child they allowed to be mutilated will hate and despise them for the rest of their own life, never forgiving their parents and cutting off all contact with them. There is going to be such a reckoning the likes of which no society has ever experienced before.

@robinantonio8870

3 ай бұрын

People should take accountability for their actions.

I lived in a communist regime until my early thirties. Many people have the wrong idea about how the regime kept people under the boot. It didn't didn't send vast numbers off to the gulag or shoot them the way Stalin did in the USSR in the 30s. It was more subtle than that. If you rocked the boat by saying the wrong things they'd make sure you became a pariah. You might lose your job or you'd be blocked from promotion. People would stop talking to you because they were scared to hang out with you. You might find yourself kicked off your university course. If you were a writer your work would not be published. If you were an academic you'd become persona non grata. If you were an actor or an artist nobody would employ you or show your work. And depressingly some people would look after themselves by publicly criticising you to curry favour with the regime for themselves. I remember at university in 1977 a man who worked as a caretaker looking after the building. I later found out he'd been a philosophy lecturer who had lost his job for saying the wrong things in the 1960s. The university worked the system by employing him in the building and letting him do his work secretly. I knew somebody else who worked as a boiler engineer who started out as a university lecturer but he held the 'incorrect opinions'. And so it went on. Basically the totalitarian system worked by what would today be called 'cancelling' you. I also remember the fear. The feeling from talking to close friends that most people probably agreed with you that the system was corrupt and crazy but being scared to say anything because you could not be sure about that because so few people said anything that maybe you really were in the minority. It feels like it's happening again. If you say the wrong thing you may not end up in prison but your life will be 'cancelled' but you still have that nagging feeling that most people agree with you but are keeping quiet.

She is sharp, best articulated explanations I've heard. She is good at not getting emotional

Helen is just unbelievably sane , profound, cogent and utterly brilliant ! I love the way she nails the topic with such fabulous reality !

@thomasprogli3372

9 ай бұрын

She nails it better than anbody else. She has an excellent response to every statement.

One of the best discussions on this madness anywhere. Well done.

Helen’s point about no true trans and it being a culture bound phenomena makes so much sense. It was interesting to hear Peter’s reflection on the skeptical movement and not understanding why adherents seem completely non-skeptical when it comes to gender ideology. The 2 movements have a kind of rebellious in your face element to them, and using Haidt’s info in The Righteous mind one can see that it could be the desire to be part of a group, more so than a desire for logical and skeptical thinking, that could drive a person to embrace a belief system. Trans people continue to see themselves as oppressed even when laws, policies, education, health, government and corporations line up to support them. People like to believe they are counter-cultural even when they are just living by the beliefs and values of a different culture. My hypothesis about why certain people don’t fall into beliefs is that there is a personality element. Some people just can’t seem to handle cognitive dissonance, and are much more aware of lying to themselves. Integrity is valued over relationship, because relationship seems unreal if based on falsehood.

@wendyhandy9065

4 ай бұрын

Yep 👍

Currently coming to the end of Helen's book -Trans on audible. She's so clear, concise and articulate. I find it absolutely ridiculous that she's been blacklisted by the main British media channels and is described as hateful. Positive intelligent role models for women are disparaged and condemned. Thank you for elevating her voice.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@Zoe-yc7og

11 ай бұрын

@@ambertico I think you're misrepresenting what Helen has said she hasn't said anything about taking away peoples bodily autonomy. I think reducing the amount of abortions is a good thing surely. With education, promoting good sexual healthcare and contraception. Same with embracing gender non-conformity, surely it's a good thing to help people to be less dysphoric about their bodies, reducing the need for invasive operations that remove healthy tissue, sterilising people and making lifelong medical patients. Because at the moment every facet of society is telling our young people that gender ideology is true. When there are many of us who don't subscribe to it and don't have a gender identity.

@thomasramsey1870

10 ай бұрын

Have you considered going outside?

@Zoe-yc7og

10 ай бұрын

@@thomasramsey1870 I often do and the beauty of Audible enables other activities (even outside) to be carried out whilst listening to a book.

@thomasramsey1870

10 ай бұрын

@@Zoe-yc7og I doesn't seem to be working. Lol

You can not know what it feels like to be the opposite sex, no matter what your brain tells you, therefore you can never say you are in the wrong body.

@The-Finisher

11 ай бұрын

Snake eating it’s tail.

@irradiated_woman8016

11 ай бұрын

We ARE our bodies.

@straight.no.chaser1708

11 ай бұрын

Christianity explicitly demonstrates that we are NOT our bodies

@irradiated_woman8016

11 ай бұрын

@@straight.no.chaser1708 oh this is revolutionary, fantastical, that proof will change the world! What is your empirical evidence?!

@kezp8114

11 ай бұрын

@@straight.no.chaser1708 nobody cares what Christianity has to say about the subject 🤣

She is great, shame on every other woman who doesn't push back on this madness.

God! This woman is my absolute hero. Fearless in talking the truth despite the dangers. Keep it up, Helen!

Thanks Peter. Finally, somebody interviewed a person who lives in total reality like most normal people. Very refreshing to hear.

She is brilliant as always, cannot get enough of hearing her. Of course they will not debate her, they know she would take them apart in minutes.

@clovermark39

11 ай бұрын

I wish they would. She is brilliant.

@RenegadeContext

11 ай бұрын

#nodebate is their stance for a reason

@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs

11 ай бұрын

I would debate here are sone questions you accept medical science when it comes to everything else apart from this why. You have in your book an anti semitic conspiracy theory is that irrationality? Your rhetoric has lead to biological women being harassed for not conforming to women physically or even expressing my is thst not immoral

@radubradu

11 ай бұрын

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs all women are biological, wtf you on about?

@RenegadeContext

11 ай бұрын

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs The antisemetic conspiracy theory comment shows you haven't read her book. You're talking about the three men she named as massive donors for this cause extremely wealthy men but they are not all Jewish, that is some racist bullshit someone else thought up and tacked on after without doing any research. If she were going to debate anyone it would be someone who is either high profile or well researched it won't be internet trolls who haven't done a tap of work on the matter.

Helen Joyce is a top sheila. Such a great conversation. Thanks.

This is a great interview! Thank you for having Helen as a guest, this is a conversation that absolutely needs to be heard.

Helen Joyce is so articulate. She is a joy to watch and I can understand why people don't want to debate her.

@AmberMcAvey

11 ай бұрын

Because they would lose, obviously 😄❤

I’ve watched KZread daily for years and I’ve followed you, Peter, on here for quite a while- Definitely a fan. This is the first comment I’ve ever made on any video ever. This is the first time I’ve been compelled to! This is the best interview I’ve ever seen and I’ve never just been in my head snapping my fingers listening to someone just spew logic and it just sound so poetic and obviously correct. Thank for you creating this and please keep it up I’m so grateful personally for your work. Commenting from anchorage alaska!

@drpeterboghossian

11 ай бұрын

That’s very kind of you to say so. Thank you!

@grahamrskelly6042

9 ай бұрын

Yes let's agree with someone who is not an expert and is going against the experts in three fields who have been studying this for 90 years.

Thank you. May sanity prevail. Great work. Protecting children is the responsibility of all adults. God bless. Peace and Love

ca. 16:40 HJ: "I'm afraid that very clever people can lie to themselves sometimes more impressively than not very clever people." Yes, I think you're right: it _does_ boil down to just that; just that, and only that; nothing more complicated. This woman is a genius and breath of fresh air.

In person interviews are SO much better than over the internet, the back and forth is just much more conducive to getting to the bottom of things. I've been really enjoying these!

@drpeterboghossian

11 ай бұрын

Agreed.

I think a counter to the "It's kind to go along with their 'gender identity'" would be "It's extremely unkind to coerce people's speech". There's nothing kind about trans ideology, they are also very intolerant.

@TommyGunz327

11 ай бұрын

I refuse to live a lie. I will not play along with their mental illness

@baconsarny-geddon8298

11 ай бұрын

100%. Trans ideology is TOTALLY focused on "empathy" and "tolerance"... to the extent that they demand that EVERYONE ELSE must be eternally "empathetic" and "tolerant" TOWARDS THEM... But the ideology will NEVER require IT'S OWN ADHERENTS to be empathetic and/or tolerant to OTHERS- It demands the exact opposite, in fact... Trans activists will NEVER have a scenario where empathy for women and girls, or for children in general, requires putting the rights and safety of the 50% of the population who are female, ahead of "validating" the 0.5% who self-ID as trans... In every single case, """empathy""" means prioritizing the all-important "validation" of 0.5% of men, ahead of the basic safety and rights, of 100% of women/girls ....

@Nous520

11 ай бұрын

See I really think it’s extremely cruel to indulge in a fantasy that will never turn out the way the person wishes for. It’s leading people down the garden path and responsible people would want to talk honestly about this so as not to prolong the agony in colluding in the lie.

@ChristianToth-uv1nv

11 ай бұрын

yeah they are intolerant so you think you are going to counter them? it doesn't matter what you say these people are insane.

@lc86_65

11 ай бұрын

I just always compare it to anorexia patients. It is not kind to affirm their delusion that they are fat because they aren't, and they will die if we enforce it. Same thing with a schizophrenic patient who thinks the voices in their head are real... we do not affirm it because it's not. There is no difference between these cases and people who claim to be trans in my opinion. There are mental health issues at play that need to be addressed and dealt with, first and foremost. That is the kind approach!

17:56 "People can believe remarkably ignorant things because they're never challenged on it" I'm absolutely terrified that as I grow into old age, the doctors who will be treating me will have no idea how because all they've been taught is to affirm their patient's crazy self-affirmations.

Thank you Helen Joyce for your courage to speak your mind knowing the consequences of those wanting to argue a losing fight. The general public are no longer willing to have there nose pushed into the great lie. It is wonderful that no matter what KZread do, Twitter will show you on the internet, so I will watch your recent chat with Jordan Peterson. The fighting Irish come to the rescue. Also thanks to Peter for sharing your platform and open mind.

The Emperor’s New Clothes is actually the most profound story of all time; we just needed to witness the present times to understand it’s profundity.

If this doesn’t open people’s eyes I don’t know if anything can. Helen is masterful.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@catherinerobilliard7662

11 ай бұрын

@@ambertico you’re deliberately obfuscating the context of what she said, a common “trans” trick. She was talking about reducing people “ transitioning” through self-inflicted grievous bodily harm. At times they become suicidal after “transitioning”

@diannedavidson

10 ай бұрын

He keeps making that same argument. Ridiculous.

IMHO this is the best conversation so far about Trans Ideology and its impact on society as a whole. Thank you, Peter and Helen.

@Capybarrrraaaa

11 ай бұрын

Best? She just kept asserting beliefs that nobody held. If you want, we could have a far better conversation.

@duncanmatthews1977

10 ай бұрын

I agree I think. This is an excellent conversation

Peter Boghossian & Helen Joyce-Thank you for speaking the truth...stay the course!!

When I was a therapist there was a period when suddenly people came to see me claiming to be multiple personalties. About a year later the wave was over. Several of my colleagues had the same experience

@maryrose4712

11 ай бұрын

Interesting. Wasn't there also a period when everyone was having repressed memories?

@shrikeofterven6006

11 ай бұрын

Whatever happened to "indigo children" ??? That was a big one among hip moms for some time.

@dq405

11 ай бұрын

And then, of course, we had "satanic panic" that came and went as rapidly....

@roncarlin3209

11 ай бұрын

Social contagion. Or so Mrs Knowitall tells me. She's the busybody that my true self has to co-exist with.

@lr6477

11 ай бұрын

Epidemic of attention seeking

The end of this interview is the part that has scared me the most. The parents who have irrevocably harmed their own children will fight to the death to have us confirm their actions and accept their trans children. I foresee a generation of de-transitioners and sadly more suicides among them than they believed they were preventing in the first place. Better a lifetime of therapy for these children than a damaged body

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, some of the parents are such zealots that it might be easier to convince some of their children of reality, particularly when they see that 'transitioning' is not the panacea that they thought it would be.

@BenDover-il1im

11 ай бұрын

You're right that religious hate-mongers will prompt more suicides with this vicious, malicious campaign of bigotry and theofascism.

@simonmarshall1060

11 ай бұрын

For parents who have transed their kids it is a literal fight to the death. If they give a single inch on any part of the ideology the whole thing will come crashing down, then they'll have to face what they've done. For many that will lead to insanity or self termination. This also means that these parents also have to fight to make sure their transed kid never questions the ideology.

@highroller-jq3ix

11 ай бұрын

@@simonmarshall1060 For transphobic bigots, confronting the actual reality is untenable because then the whole, disgusting, bigoted hate ideology, underwritten by Taliban-level religious fundies, will come crashing down. This also means that the pawns of fundies have to make sure that they attempt to indoctrinate others in their vile hate campaign and propagandist lies.

@loganjames3789

11 ай бұрын

American Intactivists have been trying to reafirm the truth that boys are not born 'broken', that the genitals they were born with are normal and fully-functioning without 'extra' parts(our prepuces) for over 30 years. We know the fight-to-the- death denial that comes with parents/doctors/obgyn's that have severed healthy genital organs from boys: they feel there is no sane option but to claim 'I was right' because the alternative is too dreadful to admit to.

Helen Joyce being utterly amazing as always. Brilliant interview thank you.

This is a wonderful conversation. It's nice to hear that these two people who come from a liberal and/or atheist perspective are saying many of the same things that conservative and/or religious people are saying about transgenderism. As evidenced by the widespread societal backlash against so-called "gender affirming care" for children and against transgender bathroom policies, opposition to transgender ideology isn't a partisan or religious position.

@DDR99999

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, gender ideology is a cult, it is opposed by people of various beliefs.

@darindavis8622

5 ай бұрын

This movement has certainly created some interesting bedfellows

I agree with her so much it has just cheered up my whole day.

@johndutchman

11 ай бұрын

me too !! I mean : Me also !!

@clovermark39

11 ай бұрын

She is the best to explain about all this mess.

@1970liam

11 ай бұрын

It was really cheering up my day too - then the last 3 minutes left me heartbroken and terrified.

@JosephFrancisBurton

11 ай бұрын

? huh ? none of this cheered me up.

@adlernewman

11 ай бұрын

@@JosephFrancisBurton Well, the state of trans activism is grim but at least someone is able to recognize it out loud.

Peter, I chuckled a little every time you paused, put your head in your hand, and sighed. Very relatable! But seriously, Helen Joyce is always a pleasure to listen to. She's whip smart, on point, and absolutely fearless. Really great discussion.

Give thanks for the courage of people like Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock and Abigail Shrier

Helen Joyce is as real a woman as you will find anywhere. She is honest, real, authentic and is not afraid to say it like it is - without being disrespectful to anyone. This is a fantastic interview, and it is a great one to share with anyone who is starting to realize where the trans movement is so very wrong. Thanks for having this conversation - great work. The book is awesome too Helen, thanks.

Helen speaks truth and common sense but what is truly tragic is that we call her "brave" because so few people speak 100% the truth anymore.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@catherinerobilliard7662

11 ай бұрын

⁠ you’re deliberately obfuscating the context of what she said, a common “trans” trick. She was talking about stopping harm to people caused by an erroneous belief bodily mutilation can change sex. We are our sex in every cell in our body; you would have to change your DNA

@vthompson947

10 ай бұрын

​@@amberticoso you oppose treatment for mental illness?

Helen Joyce is a phenomenon. The "trans" ideologues, in their wildest nightmares, could never have imagined that they would encounter an opponent as intelligent, as assured, as articulate, and as womanly as her. She is the complete woman.

@LL-jt1xt

11 ай бұрын

Which is why they try & shut her down/out.

@electricfishfan7159

11 ай бұрын

It’s important not to assert that someone can be ‘more their sex’ than fellow members of their sex, since that refers to attitudes which fostered tran/ssexualism, but you’re correct that Helen is a remarkable woman!

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@tadhgpheaitwillie

11 ай бұрын

@@ambertico This discussion was entirely about the "trans" issue. What has abortion got to do wigh it? And yes, I think it would be a very good outcome if there were to be a reduction in cases of transgenderism, the exact same as it would be a good thing to see a reduction in other types of mental illness such as anorexia, schizophrenia, etc.. I don't see the problem with that at all.

@diannedavidson

10 ай бұрын

Umm. I'd like to reduce the number of abortions, too.

I love Helen. Hopefully one day we will hear her voice, and those like it, overcome this bizarre ideology.

She is indomitable and is braver than all of us put together

Excellent conversation. I always learn something new when I listen to Helen Joyce in a discussion. I really enjoy her insight and knowledge on this topic and the way she challenges and pushes back. I don't envy her for the battle she's taken on, but it's a worthy one. Reality is at stake when we are told to affirm delusions and are constantly gaslit.

@clovermark39

11 ай бұрын

I think she has valuable insight and knowledge because of her mathematical background. Maths is very logical. We must back this woman to the hilt for speaking out about this for us and especially our children.

“Very clever people can lie to themselves more impressively than non-clever people“ would seem to be a double edged sword. I really enjoyed the conversation!

Helen's excellent point of when she challenges a man to say "would he have sex or marry a trans-woman. If not why not?" "Because they are not a real woman." 👏 And yet women can be forced into having a trans-woman medically examine them and yet as individuals we have a right to choose that they are a woman doing it, but are forced to accept a person who was born male.

This might be the best interview I've ever heard.

@helenryan7141

10 ай бұрын

Agree. I’m taking notes!

This conversation truly challenged my assumptions - I hope you enjoy. Given that Helen's episode with Jordan Peterson was censored, I do want to remind you that I am on Rumble, Odysee, and many other platforms, should you wish to find me there: linktr.ee/peterboghossian

@ReverendDr.Thomas

11 ай бұрын

Do you use any of the following (somewhat euphemistic) terms? • gay • homophobia/homophobe • transphobia/transphobe • trans-sexual • transgender • cis gender • sex worker • capitalism/capitalist • any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly shill for the loony left!

@thewerewolfofnorway437

11 ай бұрын

Hey Pete, you seem really confused mate, that's how they like it. 🇦🇺

@Sensorama2000

11 ай бұрын

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@LouisGedo

11 ай бұрын

👋 👏 👍

@markstevenson2492

11 ай бұрын

Hi Pete, huge fan of your work and Helen, however, you guys have made a little error on this episode. I'm a Biologist here who used to run human anatomy practicals. There is a grain of truth in what that guy was saying about human skeletons. Helen is not right that it I utter utter nonsense. For many skeletons it is obvious and easy to tell the difference. But there are a number of cases where it is very very difficult. His example of slighter and particularly sick males leads to low muscle mass, low bone density and even hip distortion. In the past this was actually quite common, combine that with incomplete skeletons or ones damaged post burial you end up with quite a lot of skeletons that are very very hard to sex. This is a form of obfuscation though. There are lots and lots of skeletons where it is trivial to sex them. It's sort of similar to the intersex argument, just because there are some edge cases, it doesn't mean the key differences are not there. Sex typing skeletons especially older ones is often not as easy as Helen says. Be careful here please 🙏

Helen is the most balanced understanding commentator on this subject of all commentators on this subject - she is firm in her opinions and articulates it so well. She runs rings round people without intending to - it is they who re stuck in the wrong circles

@lozzaheath815

11 ай бұрын

Sharon Davies was on trigonometry few weeks back.... Very good, coming from the sport angle... 👍

As a feminist, Helen is just a great feminist to me, and I can tell them a mile off because they defend women vigorously. When others cowtow and flipflop they stay steadfastly resolute and Britain has a tradition of this which JK Rowling is a part of. I'm 35 but I was taught by these women and to me I've never even questioned the veracity of it. I feel like the US either didn't have a solid tradition or it was loosely based because the feminism in the US is fucking weird now. Like defend women's rights its not a difficult concept.

@thomasprogli3372

9 ай бұрын

I do not believe she calls herself a feminist. Today you also need to define feminism. I also would like to know how hypergamy fits into any type of feminism. It is a very observable and scientific fact that nearly all women prefer men that are either are wealthier, more intelligent, have a higher social status, are taller and stronger, ... than them. If all women become equal they have automatically destroyed their own pool of prefered partners. This is one of the biggest issues I discuss with my wife, who is for equality of women (she does not want to call herself a feminist). So this is not me bashing feminism or saying there is not merit but pointing out a very critical issue in the movement.

@rayafoxr3

8 ай бұрын

Liberal feminism is big in the US unfortunately. Very individualist. Progressive movements in general seem to think sexism is solved. That’s my observation anyway, not sure how the UK compares, I’m sure there are similarities.

I've watched several interviews of Helen talking about her book and the trans ideology and every time her ability to talk about it has paradoxically become more in depth and in greater detail but at the same time has also become more to the point and simple, she puts her point and reasoning across in such an efficient and logical way that anyone who would listen with an open and honest mind would have to agree with her analysis, she is definitely part of a group of people on many subjects who are starting to take back some ground on the battle of trust with experts and for lack of a better catch all term a talking head, there is an ever growing list of people with whom I might not agree with 100% on various topics and issues but I will always listen to what they say because they are arguing from an honest and thought out position and we need many more like her and yourself to make the world a place where we can talk and disagree and not draw battle lines. Thanks to both of you a great discussion

Helen Joyce is a treasure. Truth bombs left right and centre.

Just 15 minutes in and my satisfaction of watching is 10/10. Damn finally someone is saying that first and foremost sex is an reproductive evolutionary strategy, THAT is it's importance. And when many people say "so what that it's a reproductive strategy, I don't care about reproduction". Life cannot exist without reproduction. Reproduction is an integral part of life. So unless you want to tell me you don't care about life and it's continuance, that's "what". Damn common sense, that is lost on so many these days.

@joane24

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. Reality doesn't cease to exist just because you don't care about it. But somehow some people came to believe it does.

@megaloschemos9113

11 ай бұрын

I find it interesting when people say 'reproduction is not important' and also state how amazing 'tran people are'. If the biological mechanism which created trans people is not important, how can their existence also be amazing?

Grateful for another extended conversation with Helen. She’s such an inspiration. Thoughtful. Courageous. What a risk having her on!

Thank you so much for having a rational conversation. This was such a breath of fresh air.

As a fellow Dubliner and also a Trinity College Dublin graduate, I'm very proud of Helen Joyce. As an ex-athlete I can definitely state that women will lose college scholarships to university (mainly the US as Ireland is too small) and any so called "feminist" who backs this frankly totally ludicrous story must actually hate women. In the past many women of all types have called me a misogynist Even if i were, the world truly has gone mad if a so called "misogynist" is standing up for women's rights! As for being on the "wrong side of history" a lot of German scientists actually backed the Nazi "science" of race theory and look at how that turned out. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck guess what...it IS a duck!!!! Josef Gobbels said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". He was an evil bastard but a brilliant propagandist. Obviously this movement is playing from ole Josef's handbook...

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@catherinerobilliard7662

11 ай бұрын

@@ambertico you’re deliberately obfuscating the context of what she said, a common “trans” trick. She was talking about reducing people “transitioning” through self-inflicted grievous bodily harm.

@userr7382

11 ай бұрын

It’s ironic they call us Nazis when they are authoritarian, unscientific, heavy on censorship and engage in mutilating mentally ill people, like the Nazis.

@thewickedv3737

11 ай бұрын

​@@catherinerobilliard7662I was literally about to comment the same thing to this individual in another comment, but I see you beat me to it! I've watched that video. Whether the previous commenter is purposefully misconstruing her argument is uncertain to me, but I really don't see how anyone who has ACTUALLY listened to her comment, in its entirety, could only have that as their takeaway. 🫠

@ElvenMoth

10 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that's a bot, I've seen the same comment in numerous threads.

This was incredible. Thanks for having Helen Joyce. She’s bar far my favorite speaker on this subject

@stvbrsn

11 ай бұрын

Lol. Bar far=cross between “by far” and “bar none” ?

Her point about people who have previously been through something deep and at times scarring in order to be resistant to the “madness of the crowd” - completely agree. Perhaps the most important point she made because asking how one developed resistance to the virus is a step to realizing a societal cure. I was born and raised in one of the most liberal cities in the world, had a mental breakdown and lost all friends/family. Gradually recovered over a period of about ten years, now happily married (and living in the country). Going through what I did took a terribly long time and I felt like Dantes in Count of Monte Cristo. Came out the other end and I see things as an outsider looking in at society so it’s natural that I wouldn’t feel the same amount of pressure to belong. Doesn’t even really affect me that much for better or worse. On some level I guess I’ve been studying wokeness for almost 10 years now - I saw it start in the city I lived in, at first gradually and in little fits and spurts, then seeped into my job and friends, and now it’s completely in the open. I was always against wokeness because it seemed completely opposite of what MLK liberalism would have taught and I didn’t care that other people were totally convinced that present discrimination is the answer to past discrimination, or even more laughably how we forgot the definitions of the biological sexes. It never will bother me. And I’m totally open to having my mind changed by reasoned logical argumentation, I just NEVER run into people who are woke who can put those points forward. I read 1984 and I just won’t say that 2+2=5. You’d have to kill me first. It’s actually wonderfully simple.

Years ago when my stepson went off to college, I warned him. The only reason anybody studies psychology is to figure out why they are so screwed up. After a semester and a couple dates with psych majors, he 100% agreed.

@memidiane38

9 ай бұрын

Yup, and that was me.

As a new mother I go to a breastfeeding support group. Recently a woman joined who is raising her baby boy ‘gender neutral’. I can see that it is entirely driven by terminology which makes the mother feel she is being progressive and allowing her child to choose who they are. At what point does this linguistic approach become deterministic, putting ideologies into the infant where their identity as their born sex is questionable. Like Helen states, this is a true case of mind body dualism. I find it even more curious as the mother has done the most female thing she can do, give birth and breastfeed her child, a biologically based ability, yet she feels it would be wrong to allow her son to be a male in the true sense of his biology?

@LoudMinded

11 ай бұрын

Gender neutral is nonsense. We should give equal opportunities to our kids regardless of their sex - choice of toys, clothes, colours, activities and the way we speak to them (not applauding a rude boy or punishing a girl who is not polite and submissive). Other than that what is 'gender neutral'? Confusing kids with unclear language?

@Wunder_Dog

11 ай бұрын

@@LoudMinded What you are describing is exactly what gender neutral means (At least my definition and every time I have heard it used). Most people tend to agree that there is some sort of influence that can be made to a child. If for a boy you only push blue and cars then you are not giving the choice. The point of gender neutral is to say the parent is going to make an effort to not push the socially norms of gender; toys, colors, clothes and activities to allow the child to pick what they like. It is not saying that the child is not a Boy or Girl but a boy can play with dolls if they choose to and a girl can play with a car while dress in blue. Having both a girl and boy with an effort to not push certain gender roles to them they have ended up gravitating to those norms and are cisgender. I am a believer that gender is both biological and social.

@LoudMinded

11 ай бұрын

@@Wunder_Dog We are also not alone in raising them, my kid gets some backwards stereotypical ideas from cartoons and questions me when I say something is not only for girls/boys :) It's hard to say if it's biology or the omnipresent unicorn vs dinosaur message in every store, magazine, TV... As for the new meaning of 'gender neutral', I've seen parents that don't tell their kids what sex they are, allowing them to choose to be a girl or a boy themselves. That is one of the confusing and illogical aspects I don't understand.

@Wunder_Dog

11 ай бұрын

@@LoudMinded I agree that strange because we still live in a society/culture that they have to live in and like it or not there norms of a society and I could see that could cause problems but haven't put much thought into either. We have had the same thing when my daughter will say pink is only for girls or long hair or ear rings, etc. So I am familiar with the conversation that something is not only for boys or girls.

@seattlewomanspeaks4912

11 ай бұрын

It is very important for children to know the parts of their bodies, including sexual anatomy, early on, and to know what a boy is and what a girl is. This denying children basic information is just awful for them.

Peter, “So you don’t believe there’s anyone, like Buck Angel, that has something different in their brain?” Helen, “Absolutely not, absolutely not.” Thank you for saying this Helen. We are our bodies. Which part of their bodies has somehow accidentally ended up in the wrong system? How about the liver? Heart? Left hand? How is this any different than saying they got the wrong brain? It’s a ridiculous notion.

@ambertico

11 ай бұрын

She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.

@lemon1657

11 ай бұрын

​@@amberticoExcept it's not adults but kids and teenagers. She meant reduce the amount of mostly young people that incorrectly transition (and then detransition). Back when they had gatekeeping and doctors were responsible, they didn't make medical transition the first and only solution and so they kept a lot of mentally unwell people from harming themselves. The harm caused needs to be reduced.

@chrislynCK

11 ай бұрын

​@@amberticoIf she said we need to reduce the amount of abortions, it would have been normal, responsible thing to say. Birth control and sex ed are in place to reduce the number of abortions or unwanted children. Abortions have serious consequences for women's physical and psychological health. Many cannot conceive naturally after having an abortion, most suffer from guilt and even depression. Unless they are psychopaths, of course. Banning abortion is wrong cause we cannot assume we can educate every single person to be responsible (young people from problematic homes, rapists etc) but trying to reduce the number of abortions is very important from the standpoint of wellbeing of women. Abortion is not something you want women to go through, quite the opposite. But sometimes not having an abortion can have worse consequences.

@diannedavidson

10 ай бұрын

Yes. Exactly.

@oliverhug3

10 ай бұрын

Helen is the child that shouts "THE EMPEROR IS NAKED".

The whole changing sex is ludicrous and I feel so genuinely sad for the people who are in this situation where they are confused and others "sympathetically" urge them to transition. Or go along with this. I am white. In the same ideology, I could identify as black. I could argue that I have been born in the wrong colour skin. I could pay to have my skin artificially darkened. I could chemically try to change the texture and colour of my hair. I could have surgery to artificially change the shape of my facial features. So I can artificially reinforce others belief that i am black. However, I have not been raised in a black family or community, I have spent many years looking my natural colour (white). And if you took a sample of my DNA it will show true identity as white origin. I may want to be black and some people might be fooled by my new artificial image as black but does that make me black? Does mimicking a black person make me a black person? Would the black community accept me as black? Or see me as a white person trying to be black? I would get two responses i believe, 1) I will not be accepted and people will be offended by my trying to pass as something I am not - a fraud. 2) people will humour me, and say to my face - yes you can be whatever you want to be possibly because it doesn't affect them directly but they know that I am not really black or they go along with it as they will make money out of my delusion by selling me the products/procedures that are going to make my look different. Or there is also a third option 3) they want to be seen as a caring individual so regardless of critical thinking, they will support me in my delusion but they know the truth (that I am actually white acting black) Oh here's another. 4) they will go along with my fantasy, because in the grand scheme of things does it matter how I want to identify? After all, I'm the one who has to live with it and they are terrified that I may harm myself so they go along with it so they don't lose me. So through fear they will say anything to keep me alive.

Helens closing statement was more than profound and makes this whole pile of confusion make sense. My neighbor attempted to get me evicted bc I will not participate in the word games and she happens to have 3 "trans" kids🤨🤔

This conversation could go on for hours and I would still listen to it

Two of my favourite people to listen to. Helen is a very intelligent deep thinking woman!

Fantastic interview. Helen Joyce is such a breath of fresh air! Thank you Peter (fellow Armenian!) For holding suh great discussions with such brilliant minds.

Amazing discussion. Riveting from start to finish. Thank you Helen, and Peter, for sharing this talk.

I love this woman. I've never heard of her before. Comprehending the mess were in is not easy. Listening to her sheds such needed clarity.

@drpeterboghossian

11 ай бұрын

And reading her book sheds even more light on the problem.

@danblanchard1858

11 ай бұрын

​@@drpeterboghossiandone! hardcover

Such an amazing guest. She speaks really clearly and logically.

'If you can make people believe absurdities you can make them commit atrocities.' I'm not sure who said that but it's horribly true.