I knew someone who was addicted and couldn't get help here , went to Portugal and has been clean 15 years now

@zapatistaNYC

5 жыл бұрын

Did he have to become a citizen of Portugal to get treatment?

@rs72098

4 жыл бұрын

Sure he did...

Johann was a great guest. You should have him back again, maybe on the panel?

@prettylushed

9 жыл бұрын

I'd stream that for free online...

Wow, this is an eye-opening interview on narcotic drugs. #legalizeit

Wow man that seriously was a great case for ending the drug war

The opposite of addiction is connection. I am a struggling addict. I have people in my life that don't understand. I watched the TED Talk Johann Hari did about addiction while I was in a treatment program in the Maricopa County Jail. The things he learned in his time trying to understand addiction is fact. I have been a addict for more than 20 years and have never thought about my issue that way. Society as a whole shames addicts. Its wrong. If you don't believe it watch the show Intervention. I want to start a treatment program that doesn't focus on shaming the addict but reestablishing the connections lost because of this disease. I want this to happen more than anything right now and can not figure out where to start. If anybody has any ideas please leave them for me.

Bill Maher kept interrupting Johann. That really ruined it for me.

I wish that interview had been twice as long. The book sounds interesting.

You go, Portugal!!

@silvioatutube

9 жыл бұрын

We can’t go very far. We’re broke! :( But hey, at least we can get high and not get jailed! YAY!

Wouldn't taking up this position essentially mean American leadership has to admit their country is a slave state?

Absolutely brilliant.

Just finished "Chasing The Scream" and I strongly recommend it. Fantastic read!!!

With a "for profit" prison system, you really think we're going to spend money to get people OFF of drugs???

@Unclejamsarmy

5 жыл бұрын

Drake Iverson the vast majority (95% I believe) of prisons are govt, not private. I support abolishing private prisons too, but it isn’t even in the top 5 reasons we have had the drug war or addiction problems. The other issue is we DO spend money to get people off of drugs (not enough, not in every state yes) but we refuse to spend money to help these people more directly. Like johanns example where the govt in Portugal subsidized the wage of the addict so they’d get rehired in their profession. Today republicans like even the horrible Chris Christie who thinks weed should be federally and state illegal, including medicinally, also support pouring money into drug treatment programs (horribly ineffective, expensive, and poorly regulated residential rehabs mostly). But what they and lots of democrats will always oppose is spending money on making poor people’s lives better directly, unless *maybe* the people are super ill, or are children. While its progress and important to keep expanding access to drug treatment that fight is mostly won, even most of the craziest elected anti science drug warriors support that, the real fight now is to recognize that as hari pointed out the vast majority of people who try hard drugs don’t become addicts, making drugs illegal is not only a failure but counterproductive, and we need to examine and improve our society on a collective/social level that requires being more economically leftist.

@rs72098

4 жыл бұрын

You realize there are hundreds of drug rehabilitation centers in the U.S. right?

Johann Hari We loveyou ♡♥ Amazing Point of view ♡♥ Give people options to work and to be socially integrated and they will stop harm themselves with drugs ♡♥ God help you guys in your crusade

great interview

Thanks bill.

Amazing book Johan....big big fan!!!

@Mozlove

7 жыл бұрын

bill maher could shut up for a minute....and maybe just maybe....someone could listen

Yeah Johann! Well done man!

The war on drugs was great for grandstanding politicians. Not so great for actually treating the problem.

Johann writes beautifully.

exelent book!

The guy he mentioned, Gabor Mate I believe his name is, has some interesting ideas about addiction. You can check out his talks right here on KZread.

Great guest Johann is the person

❤️🙏🏾🦋

The guy doesn't even realize that the U.S. has rehabilitation centers that do pretty much the same thing.

The opposite of addiction is human connection.

I agree with just about everything he said. However, being a former heroin addict, I know for certain that there are chemical hooks that make you physically dependent. The withdrawal is the worst pain and discomfort I’ve ever felt. It makes you wish you were dead. It took several attempts and drug assisted treatment to stay clean. 7 years later, I’ve come a long way, but the first month is the hardest because you must overcome the physical withdrawal. The next couple of months is breaking the emotional and mental dependence. He’s right that it takes the ability to be reintroduced into society with lots of support, but that comes after you break the physical dependence.

This segment really pissed me off. Veterans from Vietnam did not come home completely without problems. I read somewhere that 15-20% of Vietnam veterans came home with drugs problems, they did not just use heroin and opium laced hasish and then just readjust as though it never happened!

not here.......H is only in UK that i know of. Now there is something stronger in the usa....And it's lovely

I was wondering where he disappeared to, used to be my favourite journalist.

@ROSER6410

9 жыл бұрын

he disappeared because he got sacked from the independent for plagiarism, misquoting people etc.

@mckenzie.latham91

9 жыл бұрын

***** he should have worked at Fox, they wouldn't have cared

@Comando96

9 жыл бұрын

After hearing him on this I thought the same. Sadly it appears he committed the number 1 felon in Journalism... plagiarism. Bloody shame too, as it appears to just be shabby quoting. Hopefully though, enough time has passed since the event, that he may be able to re-enter journalism again. Now that he has a book under his belt, that will raise his status again.

@konczk

9 жыл бұрын

Comando96 Yes, I remember that. I think he was thrown under the bus by his fellow journalists because he was too damn good and popular with readers for his own sake. His infractions were relatively minor, though of course it was still wrong. Such a shame, he's really a great guy. I remember writing to him a few years back and he took the time to respond in an intelligent way, I was very impressed by his professionalism and general niceness.

@ROSER6410

9 жыл бұрын

I am not sure I agree with it been minor and if I remember correctly it was his defense of it that got under peoples skin. However it has been a few years & he deserves a second chance. One thing is for certain, everything he write is going to be under a lot of scrutiny.

important query; just 'how' were the subject rats able to discern and cognitively select only the 'water' which contained heroin derivative?

"get a rat?" haha funny! also very interesting. love the idea of a rat park. it sounds like a lot of fun. for rats i mean. ;)

All I know is our current system is beyond retardation. Change needs to happen. I don't know how we can call ourselves a free society when if you go to prison you can no longer vote, after you serve your time. That's not freedom, it's subjugation and down right evil. How can we call ourselves better than other societies when we are selves are perhaps worst because we pretend to be good but rather are monsters.

@avedic

9 жыл бұрын

Nestor Gonzalez Absolutely dead-on accurate. Well said my friend.

If you guys want a more detailed interview on his book, look him on Sam Seder or the Majority Report Live.

Multiple times I laughed at Hari’s little jokes and audience is just 😐

Wow, Far out man..

If heroin in and of itself is actually not physically addictive. If we already have hard drugs legal such as prescription opioids or ritalin which is in truth, just legal speed. When will the US legalize LSD?

So, I'm wondering, what about all the miserable isolated people who don't turn to drugs, for whatever reason? Do they get help too, or do you have to become an addict, first?

The problem is, this guy basically quoted every passage from Dr. Carl Hart's book: High Price.... The dude is a known plagiarist and is now basically speaking other people's work verbatim

@youngatnaruto

9 жыл бұрын

more info

@ColtonCarter

9 жыл бұрын

youngatnaruto Hari's plagarism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari#Plagiarism Dr. Hart's book: www.amazon.com/High-Price-Neuroscientists-Self-Discovery-Challenges-ebook/dp/B009NF75MY I listened to it on Audible.

Jacque Fresco was right

It is my duty to vote for people that will tell you exactly what you can and can't put into your body. It's my right to control you.

I'm listening to this guys book and it's got me energized. The story about the chain gang had me clenching my fucking teeth I was so angry and upset. The more I learn about this, the more the word "Dystopian" comes into my head. The model we have right now is possibly the most oppressive, dystopian model you could cook up in response to drug use. AND WE KNEW THIS LONG BEFORE WE DECIDED TO PROHIBIT DRUGS! Every argument we use today, has been made over a god damn century ago. We somehow forgot how stupid this idea is, and are constantly applying post-hoc rationalizations to it. The Drug war needs to end.

@amandaszymczak388

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeremy Kean I agree with you.....but as long as we have for-profit prisons systems nothing will change.

@Garblegox

8 жыл бұрын

Amanda Szymczak Well, Canada legalizing marijuana will *hopefully* play a critical role in changing global drug policy. It'll fly in the face of both the UN, and especially America who have been the ones coercing the entire planet into compliance. It's not comprehensive drug legalization like I'd like. But once the world starts to concede the points about marijuana legalization, there'll only be a small few speedbumps left to clear up. Like the brutal misconceptions we all have about addiction. I hope psychedelics come next.

who tied bills tie?

I have a possible concern. You say the addiction is due to the nature of the cage. I know some people who live together and tend to all do the same batch of drugs when they do drugs. My question is, if you legalize all drugs you risk changing the cage to one which due to peer pressure more people do drugs. For the record I actually advocate the legalization of most drugs. Just a thought.

@nunoferreira3364

8 жыл бұрын

+Justin Proctor They are talking about decriminalizing not legalize . In Portugal we do not legalize all drugs we decriminalize.

@Onlythebesttracks

8 жыл бұрын

Ah yes you are right. I totally skipped over the difference. In my country they are currently talking about the legalization of cannabis so it was in the back of my head while watching :P

@masyaf897

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Proctor one word. Portugal.

I need a new cage

i like the guy, but it seems Bill doesnt

@rs72098

4 жыл бұрын

He knows it would never really work in the U.S., He doesn't buy the idea.

He sounds convincing but a look at his Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari suggests he might not be the best source of reliable information. Did the Vietnam GI's really clean up because they went home? Are all addicted people from environments with limited choices? Cigarettes have a "chemical hook": why not heroin?

sadly, not all viet nam vets stopped using h when they got home...a misleading statement

Johann Hari is isolating the drug addict, ie the rat, in one maze or environment. If Hari had taken into content the entire environment and immediate forces, he may better understand why some individuals, possibly cultures, never rise above their present value- at best. The total drug environment sustains the drug culture, the drug effects, the drug benefits. It is not always an "individualistic" problem. And cannot so easily be solved by eliminating, removing, or substituting the society.

@amandaszymczak388

8 жыл бұрын

+Anna Dorn Prohibition creates this "drug-culture". Lifting prohibition would eliminate the black market and the violence that goes along with it fueling this drug enviroment

When journalists try to talk science, they get alot right, but it end up with alot wrong also. Selling journalism makes you use our fears and feeling of morality as triggers. Agreeing with much of what is said do not make it right. And for everything I like with Maher, he has a "chemical" phobia that makes him misunderstand. We all have some of this feeling of phobia with things we can be harmful.

All politicians are the same regardless of political affiliation. Some of the most stringent drug laws are in the states controlled by democrats and some in republican states. It's all about money and control Bill.

America will never do that. Why, that's too much like right people.

we don't want to solve this in America,too many people are making money and stoking the fires of their political capitol around drug illegality. it's tragic and evil,but sadly true.

"It's my your morals and not your brain." No, no it is. Even in this example of rat heaven the brain makes the choice, it's just based on different variables.

@sadak5472

9 жыл бұрын

Here's the thing people get addicted to things because they have nothing better to do. Doesn't matter if you're addicted to the Internet , Porn , Drugs etc.. If you do something and occupy yourself then you're more likely to quit your addiction or at least minimize it.

@DavidStJames11

9 жыл бұрын

Sadak Hassan I agree with you Sadak. If you have other things available, better things to do, then you will be less likely to get addicted. We should also keep in mind that heroin addiction is different than other drugs like coke or benzos

@markdavids2511

4 жыл бұрын

David St. James A Benzo withdrawl is worse then a Heroin withdrawl by a mile, Smack is a bad week whilst Diazepam is a nightmare for a month or more,

This guy is completely WRONG when he says diamorphine (diacetylmorphine, also known as heroin) is given in US hospitals. It isn't. Ever. No exceptions. Heroin is Schedule I and is never given legally by any medical professional in the United States. His huge fuck-up on this point, which was so central to his argument, discredits his entire book, his competence, knowledge, and experience. What an embarrassment to those of us whose experiences have taught us casual drug use without serious consequences, including the use of heroin, is possible.

Copy the countries with the best addiction treatment records and the countries with the lowest recidivism rates. This isn't rocket science.

Is this an internal, psychological cage us addicts put ourselves in perhaps? Even people with seemingly perfect lives and lots of money get addicted to drugs. They, however do have a much better chance of attaining resources for recovery and beating criminal charges. A lot to digest and think about...

Everything we tried has failed and in Portugal this worked. We should give it a fair shot.

Where do you get a rat? Any pet store.

is drug addict a victim?

English and gay=His voice is audio caramel.

No heroin is used in American hospitals. Heroin is a class I drug (no medicinal use is legal) and if he does not know that I am suspicious. Everyone will develop dependancy and tolerance to narcotics; take morphine for 21 days and you suffer withdrawal and the need for greater amounts over time. And there is good evidence that a certain proportion of individuals are quite susceptible to the other components of addiction: craving and obsession as well as continued use in the face of adverse consequences.

@douglasroach8079

5 жыл бұрын

Jim Segal You sir, are incorrect. www.aidsmap.com/Diamorphine-hydrochloride-heroin/page/1731421/ There are numerous sites that will support his argument. Please feel free to cite some that successfully support yours.

Bill Maher's interviewing style is so annoying and infantile ... I gotcha there! I love his show, but Bill needs to chill and let people talk sometimes.

Jesus Bill, you finally hear what you want and...

he sounds like a south-easter.

Bill, buddy, stfu and let the guest talk without the wisecracks and interruptions. We know you're a funny guy and your timing and ill-placed interjections are painful. Love, Nearly Everyone Watching.

TIME TO STOP TALKING SHIT AND DECRIMINALIZE. DRUGS AND LEAVE THE CHRONIC PAIN PATIENTS AND CANCER PATIENTS. ALONE

The British are the best..the best rulers,the best empire..the best...best manners..

@rs72098

6 жыл бұрын

Gemeral dis Defeated by the US, also they have a lower GDP. Yeah they were the best, but mainly because of the Protestantism, now they are falling away from their beliefs and becoming weak.

why do alcoholics drink ? Ans : to change the way they feel ( emotions ? ) Q : why do they feel the way they feel ? Ans : because of the way they think !? Hmm! Q Why do they think the way they think ? the 64k question !! The problem with the alcoholic starts in the alcoholics mind.. " we are without defence against the first drink " pp 24 . the peeps who wrote the B/BOOK found a solution ( its in the first 103 pages ) they invite you to follow their path ! following clear cut , precise instructions ! do that and you will get what they got !! you will recover, promise . with a bit of help from the man /woman described on pp 18 of said Book . don't knock it till you've tried it .

LOL heroin not addictive marxist i bet

This guy is a complete charlatan and doesn't know what in the world he's talking about.

@ratzabur

5 жыл бұрын

Great argument! Now I believe you instead of him! Thanks for puting so much effort in debunking this!

He definitely one of the few white people I like right now!!

@PerlasNegrasXII

8 жыл бұрын

+kayla Johanson Lmao, someone else would call this racist but I don't think you are being one.