CORRECTION: As confirmed by Razer The Fiend I was INCORRECT in this video. It does in fact do BOTH 8,000 Hz Polling Rate and 8,000 Hz Keyscanning. Where Corsair does 8,000 Hz Polling and 4,000 Hz Key Scanning. Making it where technically this keyboard is superior in that regard. I also, prefer the switches of Razer keyboards over Corsair. As they too are optical but provide an option between clicky (purple) or linear (red) compared to just linear with Corsair. My apologizes on the mistake. But thank you Razer The Fiend for the call out and correction.

@jstarproductions7335

Жыл бұрын

great work, you attention to detail on your content is second to none! where did you get the conclusion that the key-scan rate is 1000 then? I've just got the razer huntsman v2 (purple) on sale for £115 and the blackwidow v4 pro for £229 (wasn't sure which one to get/ sending one back) my only fear is there is no easy way to test the polling rate claim's as i believe keyboard inspector only supports up to 4000 polling rate at the moment :(

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

@@jstarproductions7335 Great question. I originally came to that conclusion, incorrectly, simply because there was nothing to prove that it wasn’t and that was the current industry standard. Which I get is flimsy reasoning. But at that point their website only mentioned “8,000 Hz True Polling” but “key scanning” was completely absent EVERYWHERE (box, description details, posts, information on polling rate, etc.). Which usually means a company is leaving that information out because it makes them look bad or it doesn’t have it. Which was me jumping on the drama train with good intentions, lol. As if that were the case wanted to call them out because I don’t think that is acceptable behavior (as 8,000 Hz polling paired with 1,000 Hz key scanning pretty much negates all positive effects of having it in the first place. And if you are paying a premium for 8,000 Hz but not really getting a benefit then what is the point?). But now that I’m wrong I just look like a jerk. Which is fine. Also, Corsair was the only one that I was aware of having high polling/key scanning on their keyboards. But they “only” had 8,000 Hz polling rate with 4,000 Hz key scanning (and I think still do). Razer having both at 8,000 Hz (never seen before) but not mentioning Key Scanning was fishy to me. As why wouldn’t you want to brag about that? Next, Razer Support didn’t know the answer. Last, at that point nobody had done any objective testing from a third party to prove or disprove that notion either. So, I figured if the best on the market currently is 4,000 Hz, they don’t mention it, then it is likely 1,000 Hz. Also, my Corsair K100 felt more responsive. But both those boards felt more responsive than my other keyboards (at 1,000 Hz for both). But not to the point where I think it is night and day. To me, it was dramatic enough that I don’t want to use other keyboards. That is until the Wooting 60HE as it feels more responsive than both of those boards despite being 1,000 Hz. But due to their software/firmware/switch it is more responsive. As their switches (forget the name right now) can actuate at 0.1 mm and reset at 0.1 mm which trumps the polling rate of these with a travel of 1.0mm (Corsair) or 1.5 mm (Razer Purple Switch) (I believe, again going off memory so may be incorrect). I will admit I still have yet to do any testing myself to prove/disprove and haven’t looked into anyone doing that third party and am only going off what Razer The Fiend said (who works in R&D so would know). But I trust him and will take him at his word and have had multiple conversations with him and follow him closely on Reddit which has earned my respect. Also, at this point Razer has been cutting edge for almost all their tech. Their mice have done 8,000 Hz polling rates (I think they were the first for that) for years now (wired). Have done 4,000 Hz wireless first. Just recently their Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition now supports 8,000 Hz wirelessly (first ever). All of which has been proven third party to be accurate. Along with a bunch of other nuances that I don’t need to get into. Summary is their tech is beautiful and they are owning at it right now. So, their keyboards also doing 8,000 Hz polling and Keyscanning is perfectly reasonable now that it has been some time. Along with other companies starting ot do some of that themselves. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on which one you end up going with. As both of those keyboards look good and have solid features. At first I would lean the V4 Pro as it seems to have some extra features. But upon closer inspection the V2 seems to have most of the same things but comes with their optical switches (which I prefer over their mechanical). So very interested in which one wins in your opinion and why. Also, if you have any other questions let me know.

love the side remarks about razer/life in general.

Your channel deserves more viewers! I am an older non-gamer looking for a quality TKL because I prefer the lighting so I don't have to turn on a lamp to find the keys. Your expertise and conversational style was helpful to me so I can become more educated and entertained at the same time. I ordered this board based on your comments. Thanks!

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! Very much appreciated. I would love to get your thoughts as an older non-gamer when you get the keyboard in and try it out. So I can help others in a similar boat.

@dw8555

Жыл бұрын

I, too, am an older non-gamer and I also prefer gamer peripherals for the same reasons as you do! My wife owns a bookkeeping business and all of the mice and keyboards there are gamer-sourced. The exception for both of us is that we both use Unicomp “Model M” buckling spring keyboards because for typing and data entry they are without peer. I have been a viewer of Thomas’ videos for several years and I appreciate his style and erudition. I do miss “Let’s get nerdy,” though.

@dw8555

Жыл бұрын

I forgot to mention that I have a Huntsman Mini Analog on order (it should arrive tomorrow). I ordered it for the smoothness of its switches and its size. I write a lot and I frequently use an antique desk that was made by my great grandfather, and it’s kinda small.

really underrated review

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words!

Appreciate your video on polling rate. I found less info on the net as well as videos on KZread which talks about this as of today. And I have the doubt on the performance of 1k polling rate vs. 8k polling rate, in the application wise (gaming or office work) I meant.

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

So, this is completely subjective and from my personal experience. So, make up your own opinions and thoughts. Razer's implementation of it (KEYBOARD ONLY) wise is disappointing. As mentioned in the video they have 4,000 Hz polling rate but NOT 4,000 Hz Key Scanning which really means that you only get 50% of the boost but are otherwise bottlenecked. As the Key scanning is actually more important than the polling. Which to me makes it pointless as you won't feel much of a difference. Whereas, with Corsair they have true 4,000 Hz key scanning and 8,000 Hz hyper polling. Where you DO notice (or at least I do) an improvement. To the point I won't use any other keyboard for gaming (but looking forward to trying out the new Wooting HE). As I notice things happening faster while being a lot more SMOOTH in games allowing me for better control and precision. I notice the same thing with gaming mice at 4,000 or 8,000 Hz as well. And is extremely similar to when you go from 60 Hz to 144 hz and so on. Which is a direct consequence of that polling rate. is it absolutely GAME CHANGING. No. Is there a boost. Yes. Is it enough for me to specifically look for a board that supports it and am disappointed when it does. For me yes. But that comes down to personal preference. Personally I use the Corsair K70 TKL w/ Opto-Mechanical switches. Did some mild modding myself and honestly it doesn't get much better. As for office. No, I don't really notice a difference. Except for typing which again feels more smooth. This could also be placebo or a mixture of things. As the actuation point of the Corsair is 1mm over 1.5 mm or higher for others on the market. But depending on typing speed may not be felt. Personally, I sit around 120 - 130 WPM which is why I think I can feel it.

@alberttie1134

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasMuehler Actuation point of 1.5mm is just fine for me. As you mentioned, it is really completely subjective. Too short of it might make me to have falsely trigger the key. Anyway, I hope that they (Razer) did noticed about the problem raised here and make some improvements through software updates, maybe.

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

@@alberttie1134 Agreed on the subjectivity. Also, 1.5 mm is definitely better to prevent accidental keypresses. 1mm is very low. As for a software update. I don't think that would work. As I'm pretty sure that is a hardware thing paired with software. But I could be incorrect. As I'm not an expert.

Hey Thomas ! Apex pro Tkl or this huntsman v2 Tkl ? In Europe: apex pro 200€ vs huntsman v2 115€. I love Corsair k70 pro Tkl with OPX switch but i need a wrist rest… Thanks !

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

My recommendation would definitely be the Corsair K70 Pro TKL w/ OPX switch. As that (before I got the Wooting HE) was my main gaming keyboard. It also isn’t very high off the ground where for me a wrist rest isn’t needed. However, that was not the question you asked. Between the Apex Pro TKL and the Razer Huntsman V2 TKL. Hard to call as it depends on your own preferences. That’s huge price difference though. I was leaning Apex Pro but I’m not sure if the 85 more is justified. APEX PRO TKL: - Hall Effect Switches are neat. As you can adjust actuation point. This can be beneficial for multiple reasons. Such as increase response time (as having a lower actuation at 0.4 mm compared to 1.0/1.5 mm will net you a faster response time. Or the opposite if you find yourself accidentally hitting a key you can increase the actuation distance to 4.0 mm instead making sure you only hit it when you want. - Apex Pro has dedicated media keys. Which I myself use all the time so think this is a critical feature. Technically the Huntsman does as well but it is through FN key. Which I don’t think is as good. - Only comes in a linear switch. 1,000 hz polling vs 4,000 hz (or 8,000 hz now I can’t remember). - Better overall build quality. I think it looks better aesthetically as well. RAZER HUNTSMAN V2 PRO: - I’d argue that the Razer Huntsman is going to be more responsive for most people. As if you have the Apex at a normal actuation distance (1.0 - 1.5 mm) compared to Razer’s (which I can’t remember is 1.0, 1.2, or 1.5 off the top of my head) the optical switches paired with increased polling rate will net you a faster reaction time. But if I’m being honest we are splitting hairs at this point. I’m someone who prefers the best performance so focuses hard on that. But for most people I don’t think they would notice this. - Personally, I love the Purple Switches. As they feel great. But they are incredibly loud so if you have other people around or are on a voice chat it can be annoying. The Linear switches are a lot quieter and feel good as well. But the stabilizers rattle quite a bit still. - I think the RGB on this board would likely be better than the Apex just because Razer tends to have some of the best lighting in the business. - I enjoy this board. But consider it middle of the road. As nothing specific really makes it stand out other than the switches and the polling rate. The polling rate is arguably not important for most gamers. Switches are also made for a niche group. Build quality comes off as cheap. No dedicated media keys are frustrating. But small profile.

@cedriccolson7752

Жыл бұрын

@@ThomasMuehler thanks for the answer Thomas! I would have liked to go on the Corsair but despite its low profile, I have to have a wrist rest. Do you know the Asus rog strix scope RX wireless Tkl? If so what do you think of their switch rog rx? some say the feel is like switch lubs. I would like your opinion on the keyboard

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

@@cedriccolson7752 I haven't heard or tried the the Asus ROG Strix Scope RX Wireless TKL. But looking at the website I think I'd change my choice to that one. Looks like they are doing a lot of things right. I like that you also have wireless. With this it reminds a bit of the Logitech G915 TKL. I'm not saying to buy that one. But just curious if a flatter board like that may be beneficial for you as then the desk is the wrist rest and has always been a lot more comfortable for me than a full size. I also find that I like the low-profile keycaps because I type faster with them and they feel a bit more responsive in games. As they have lower actuation which as we previously discussed can make something more responsive.

on rtings the huntsman v2 and the K100 RGB are listed as exactly the same latency (0.5ms)

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

Rtings as much as I love them do not always have the most accurate results when it comes to measurements. Or at least from my research of them. That doesn’t mean I don’t look at those for some type of an idea though. Which you can take for whatever that is worth. I still hold the belief that the Huntsman V2 TKL isn’t true 8,000 hz like the K100 is as that was the results that my research led me to. But again, I highly advise you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions over just taking my word for it. Also, in the end I’m not sure if it actually matters all that much. It appears nearly everyone else in the industry thinks we have already surpassed our ability to notice any differences. Obviously, I am not among them. But do agree that we are deeply into the point of diminishing returns and the differences here are minor. There are plenty of other things between these keyboards that hold more weight that you should focus on instead. I’m a performance snob and think I feel a difference (is that true? Unknown. Is it placebo? Unknown. Repeat subjective testing makes me think I’m not just imagining it. But I can’t say for certain.) But I’ve chosen the K100 TKL to be on my desk for gaming (and it will continue to stay there) until I find another keyboard that I think outperforms it. Nothing so far has come close. Again performance wise. Which is what I focus on. Feel wise/aesthetics is a totally different conversation that I personally don’t obsess over like some others. I also did a few easy mods to my K70 TKL with OPX switches which improved the feel and sound.

@Katze822228

Жыл бұрын

I got the huntsman v2 tkl a couple days ago. I decided to get that keyboard because it was a lot cheaper during black friday. I used it at 1000hz for a few days because i was worried 8khz would impact fps. When i realized that 8khz runs fine i switched to it and it actually made a noticeable difference. My rocket jump timings in diabotical were completely off right after i switched until i got used to 8khz. And everytime i now switch back to 1khz now my timings are off again for a couple minutes. If i do the same inputs on a different polling rate the jump height is different. So i'm convinced that 8khz is very noticeable atleast when timing mouse clicks with keyboard keypresses. I also did a keyboard scan rate test (you can find them with google and do them in the browser) and my shortest keypresses with the huntsman were 0ms. The websites don't show the decimals so you can't tell what the exact scanrate is but it must be higher than 1000hz for that to be possible. The lower actuation distance of the K100 (1mm) vs the huntsman (1.2mm) probably makes a big difference for real world latency though. In human benchmark i get better scores with my g403 mouse than with the huntsman. And if i record me slaming a key on my mouse vs the huntsman with a 240fps cam i measure better latencies for the huntsman. So i think that actuation distance does make quite a big difference when you press the button normally.

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

@@Katze822228 All very interesting points that I appreciate you sharing and would agree with. Most people tend to not be as perceptive. So, hats off for that as well!

What are those particular replacement key caps?

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

I believe they are the HyperX Pudding Caps.

This may sound dumb but don't suppose Synpase has the option to change the polling rate like their mice???

@ThomasMuehler

2 жыл бұрын

Not a dumb question. Yes, if the product has different polling rate you can change it in Synapse. So, this one can go up to 8,000 Hz polling so you can adjust it in the settings. I don't have the exact breakdown and I'm not at my PC to check. But if you want to know I can look later.

@hashswap

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasMuehler Oh no worries! I'm just really confused about the whole polling rate thing. I was like you thinking that the Corsair K100 and the Hunstman Elite V2 had the same polling rate. I think you're pretty much the 1st person to bring this up and wish you'd be put more in the spotlight. I'm shopping for a keyboard upgrade and have boiled it down to the K100, Razer Hunstman Elite V2, or some custom keyboard with a Southpaw config. I'm leaning more towards the Hunstman Elite V2 if it goes on sale.

@ThomasMuehler

2 жыл бұрын

@@hashswap Yeah, I haven't heard too many people talk about the 8,000 Hz or they had the same flawed thinking I did. I could be totally wrong about it but I don't think I am. I also think a lot of people see it as a Gimmick so don't test it effectively. Obviously, I think it makes a difference. But really do think that will vary from person to person. I do think you should prioritize other features first and then pick according to this last. As other aspects of a keyboard are more important in my opinion. I think both of those are excellent options. My K100 is still one of my favorite keyboards I've ever tried. As is my Razer Huntsman V2. So you really can't go wrong with either. Personally, I think the K100 is a better keyboard assuming you buy the OPX switches and enjoy linear switches. But it still takes the TOP spot in the best keyboard I've tried. But isn't perfect. If you haven't checked out my review for that I'd recommend it before buying. Same with the Corsair K70 RGB Pro. I'd love to hear which one you go with and your thoughts on it.

@hashswap

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasMuehler Thanks for the input! TBH, if the k100 had a tactile or clicky input like the Optical Purple Switches of Razer I would have picked it. For some odd reason, they've only made them on linear switches. I think I gravitate more towards tactile because I don't play competitive FPS shooters and I appreciate the tactile feedback for working on excel files and general gaming. For the time being, I'm still rocking the Razer Black Widow Lite (Storm Trooper Edition), which I picked up for 50$ USD a year ago when it was on sale. The difference between this and membrane keyboard was huge as I made a lot less typing mistakes. Haha, so to make long winded answer short. If the Razer Hunstman Elite V2 goes on sale (hopefully ~150$) with the purple switches, I'll probably pick it up. Otherwise, I'll wait for Corsair to come up with a K100 that has a tactile or clicky switch

@ThomasMuehler

2 жыл бұрын

@@hashswap I totally understand preferring tactile. I think I actually prefer tactile for gaming as well as it makes me more aware of what buttons I'm pressing And definitely prefer it when typing. I think that sounds like an excellent plan! I'm sure if you keep your eye out you'll find it on sale. As I don't see Corsair making a clicks optical switch. But I could be wrong. Or I guess the other way to say that. At the very least the chances of the Huntsman V2 going on sale is a lot higher lol.

so, it does have real 8000khz polling rate i guess

@ThomasMuehler

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I was incorrect. It actually does have true 8,000 Hz polling and key scanning.

Just paint the board, take it apart, take off the switches take apart the motherboard from the metal plate, and then paint it.

@ThomasMuehler

2 жыл бұрын

Look, if I wanted to use rock solid logic and reasoning I would have asked. lol. You make a solid point but you also assume that my paint skills are up to the task.

💖 p͎r͎o͎m͎o͎s͎m͎

@ThomasMuehler

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the support!