Rationality Rules REBUTTED on Homophobia
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In this episode, Trent responds to Stephen Woodford of Rationality Rules' video "If atheists acted like apologists" in which Woodford critiques Trent's lack of concern over being called "homophobic."
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Timestamps:
00:00 Why I don't care if I am called homophobic
00:30 Reviewing Rationality Rules video response
00:50 Stephen's attempt to use my argument against me...
01:15 Did I say LGBT people are irrational?
01:45 Is it hateful for Stephen to refer to Theists as irrational?
02:20 "Christ-phobic"?
03:08 Response to "Christianity is opposed to scientific advances
03:50 Response to someone who calls me "blasphemous."
05:25 Response to "Catholic beliefs deserve no respect"
06:06 Trent stood up for Stephen when he criticized Kennedy Hall
06:30 Homosexuality: Catholic Church teaching and removal of books
08:44 Did the Pope say to bless homosexual unions?
10:18 Slavery and the teaching of the Catholic Church
11:45 Evolution and the teaching of the Catholic Church
12:30 Women's Role in the Church
13:48 Am I wrong in my views?
16:03 What is an apologist?
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"Moral laws don't really exist but you are evil for not affirming homosexual behaviour."
@michaelogrady232
19 күн бұрын
"We will not tolerate the intolerant."
@Defender_of_Faith
19 күн бұрын
Hahahaha. Good one
@jyllianrainbow7371
19 күн бұрын
Nihilists are the only consistent atheists. These modern atheists trying to proclaim two contradicting beliefs at once, because they're clearly just afraid of living in a world without morality are ridiculous.
@461weavile
19 күн бұрын
Lol, yeah. "Morality isn't real except for you; you're evil, you dirty papist."
@theweirddeveloper360
19 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. I've always thought of it. They claim there's no absolute moral law but would turn around to call those who do not affirm homosexual behaviour "evil" like it's a moral truth they've discovered.
I burst out laughing when he said, "Is this what the Church teaches, Trent? Are you really sure?" and then Trent pops in, "Yes." It was a very Pope Francis saying "No" to female Priests moment.
@alissarehmert2502
19 күн бұрын
Update: I just saw that this clip of Pope Francis was actually in this video. 🤣🤣🤣
@christusenciaga
19 күн бұрын
I also said yes right when Trent did haha. The timing in the video was impeccable
@wolfthequarrelsome504
19 күн бұрын
😂
@joshuataylor3550
19 күн бұрын
I burst out laughing when he said evidence is all that matters and then quoted a Jewish mythology book.
@zorrobatman1
18 күн бұрын
yes yes, no no.. the rest comes from the devil
"Christphobic?" I assure you no catholic has ever uttered that word. 😂😂😂
@ellisfrancisfarros3935
19 күн бұрын
He is just having a knee-jerk reaction at this point tbh.
@461weavile
19 күн бұрын
I have used it ironically.
@StringofPearls55
19 күн бұрын
I have used Catholic Derangement Syndrome. 😊
@Ladya12345
19 күн бұрын
This was my reaction. I was so taken back by the phrase. It’s sounds weird and wrong 😂
@Kristopher-Christbearer
19 күн бұрын
that's my new word I will use now very often.. thank you for upgrading my repertoire
rationalityrules is the embodiment of the smug, reddit atheist.
@hashijou8463
19 күн бұрын
Yeah, as I listen to him I don't know whether I should laugh or be insulted for acting like he knows Catholic theology and philosophy.
@anteodedi8937
19 күн бұрын
"Counsel of Trent" is the embodiment of the average incompetent theist.
@ninjason57
19 күн бұрын
@@anteodedi8937 Who would you consider a competent theist?
@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal
19 күн бұрын
@@TheDragonageorigins he did though
@TheDragonageorigins
19 күн бұрын
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal This is my brain without coffee. Haha self-fail
We endured the berbers,we endured the french revolution ,we endured marxism,we endured the tokugawa,we endured isis,we endured the turk,and we still won.
@lucacuradossi1040
19 күн бұрын
Really you have won? The western world is mostly secular governments, I don't know what you mean by "won"
@davijimi
19 күн бұрын
@@lucacuradossi1040 the catholic church continue totally living
@lucacuradossi1040
19 күн бұрын
@@davijimi with basically no influence in any kind of policy. They are like today's day monarchs, a mere symbol.
@noneofyourbusiness7965
19 күн бұрын
@@lucacuradossi1040No influence? Sure you must be right, that's why we just watched a clip of the Pope being interviewed by 60 minutes.
@Tyler-iv7po
19 күн бұрын
@@lucacuradossi1040 You seem very uneducated.
Nothing better than a atheist telling a Catholic how to be a Catholic 🙄
@Bill-mq7wr
19 күн бұрын
Frfr they do it all the time
@jerrylong6238
18 күн бұрын
They are trying to tell Catholics how to be a decent human being and you have to stop being Catholic first.
@ddrse
17 күн бұрын
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
80 s3-ual partners per year for men and over 1,000 in a lifetime on average, as opposed to n0rm-l men with 8 per lifetime.
@MattM-wo4wu
17 күн бұрын
Bro really just did the meme "No I'm not Catholic and I have nothing but contempt for your backward beliefs but if you really want to be Catholic then you should agree with me."
"Christianity has been disproved by Science™" "Where?" "😡😡😡😡😡 you irrational theist"
@461weavile
19 күн бұрын
This, tbh. It's pretty much just the protestant thing where they complain about what they think the Church is, not what it actually is.
@rcbmmines4579
19 күн бұрын
I bet he doesn't even know the physicist creator of the Big Bang Theory and the botanist father of Genetics were not only Catholics, but a Jesuit Priest and an Augustinian Friar respectively. Two critical pillars of modern science often used by atheists as excuses for their disbelief. Georges LeMaitre and Gregor Mendel would be disgusted.
@lucacuradossi1040
19 күн бұрын
The earth is millions of years old Natural selection Basic anatomy The flood didn't happen and all bible stories have no other record aside from the bible
@tomasrocha6139
19 күн бұрын
@@amt4653 That's not a novel interpretation, Aune 2003, p. 119: "The archaic cosmology conceived of the world in terms of a three-tiered cosmos consisting of the earth as a flat disc in the middle, surrounded by the river Ocean (the Greek version) or floating on water (the Israelite version), with heaven above and the underworld beneath [...]"
@tafazziReadChannelDescription
19 күн бұрын
@@amt4653the atheist is right, the word "firmament" refers to the solid dome ancient people thought was above the flat Earth.
the absolute hubris of RR to act like he knows Catholic teachings better than an actual catholic, especially on such a basic issue like reproductive ethics
@joeterp5615
19 күн бұрын
Exactly. It stupefies me how so many people on platforms like YT speak with such confidence on things they are so ignorant on - and in many cases things that would only take 5 minutes to learn the basics.
@newglof9558
19 күн бұрын
Yeah, and then having the gall to lecture Trent on humility.
@Cklert
19 күн бұрын
In all fairness, there are a lot of Catholics who don't know the teachings of the Church. I believe in the US over 2/3rds of self-purported Catholics don't even believe in the Real Presence.
@zuzaninha
18 күн бұрын
Christianity/Catholicism is one of the topics that you don't require any knowledge, facts, experience... you'll always find your audience as long as you reasure them in their 'beliefs' by your smugness, ridicule... and also the British accent helps. He knows that. You are also guaranteed cheap points/clicks - this is what (I think) he is doing. He received a lot of backlash because of the trans issues etc Anyway, the whole atheists vs trans movement is very interesting to watch. The surprising rebirth of belief in God podcast, episode 2 talks about it (I think features an interview with him)
@jerrylong6238
18 күн бұрын
No, he knows how to be a better human being, but you would have to give up Catholicism first.
Rationality Rules spews logical fallacies the way Eminem spits rhymes.
@PatrickInCayman
19 күн бұрын
more like Irrationality Rules
@ellisfrancisfarros3935
19 күн бұрын
So far from what I've seen, most atheistic channels with "rationality" or anything related to that as their name spit nonsense most of the time.
@PatrickInCayman
19 күн бұрын
@@ellisfrancisfarros3935 Yes. And I can't tell if its because they are lazy or just not that bright (or both).
@ftw485
19 күн бұрын
Well he certainly uses a plethora of strawman and other logical fallacies while deceivingly labelling others' arguments fallacious. I think he does this intentionally to persuade his audience into buying his "fallacy cards" lol.
@cosmicnomad8575
19 күн бұрын
I’ve noticed it a lot from these “rational” channels. They are always trying to label everything a logical fallacy, and to ridiculous results sometimes. I’ve seen RR call someone using the word “want” as an appeal to emotion when he was simply saying “we don’t want an infinite regress.” And that’s just one example of many ridiculous things that come out when you are too eager to label things as fallacies. In reality you should apply the principle of charity, if there is a formal logical fallacy then those are easier to call out. But often with informal fallacies they are so eager to call them out that they get the fallacy wrong, like the appeal to emotion example above. Calling out every possible fallacy you see, even when it’s not there, does not make you more rational.
He’s too busying wanting to look like he “owned” you than actually being rational.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Candace owned made a point that there’s nothing stopping them from doing it 24/7, and that this could be why they make everything about it
Bro this stuff lookin like a Ben Shapiro video with the production quality now
@ToxicPea
19 күн бұрын
The lighting is peak 🔥 🎉
@TP-om8of
19 күн бұрын
To be Ben, he needs for talk faster.
@ToxicPea
19 күн бұрын
@@TP-om8of and have his wife become a doctor, gang 🧑⚕️
@thomaswest-tv
19 күн бұрын
Trent has been talking faster than Ben for years. He slows down all his videos to .75 speed so atheists can keep up with his arguments.
@Joker22593
19 күн бұрын
@@ToxicPea His wife is already a Nurse, so we're on our way. 😂
As a former progressive and atheist for pretty much my entire life, I think the problem is that people on that side really think it's just hatred for gay people. They have never wrestled with the genuine arguments against homosexuality because you never hear it in the culture. All you hear is, "they are hateful" so if that's all you hear you're going to think it's true. You can be against homosexuality but also think that they should be respected as human beings. You don't have to hate somebody to disagree with their lifestyle. We have many sexual desires that society demands that you fight against, and not indulge them. No sex with kids, family, someone not your wife, your friends mother or sister, someone who is in a marriage even if you are single, animals. It doesn't matter if you have these strong desires and both people consent to the encounter, it is still wrong and society rightfully demands that you not give into those desires. Christians add homosexuality into that camp. There may be a strong desire, but it is a desire that you should not give into no matter how strong the desire is and no matter if there is consent between the parties. It is still wrong. It is disordered. And that's not a hateful position to hold. Stephen Woodford really proving GK Chesteron point that when you stop believing in God you will believe in anything. It's not rational to believe in God but it is rational to believe that a man become a woman just by thinking it lol.
@JediMediator
16 күн бұрын
We should only limit people's freedom to act if there is a good reason to do so. In all the examples you provided, harm would result, so that is the reason for limiting those freedoms. No harm is done by homosexual acts, just by virtue of being homosexual. And I don't see any other good reason to limit that freedom. The Christian's reason, of course, is ultimately just "God doesn't like it."
@JohnCamacho
14 күн бұрын
What are the "genuine arguments against homosexuality"? Bonus points if you can tell me arguments that have nothing to do with religion.
@kyler9323
14 күн бұрын
Curious. Would there have been many points in your life, as a former progressive athiest, that you would have been receptive to someone arguing well against homosexuality? Or did you have to come on quite the journey first, and accept more and more premises and the aesthetic of the Christian worldview, before any such argument would have stood a chance? My point being, what currency do any arguments, well made or not, have in the world today? Or are we just too far apart on these things?
@Siphakid
14 күн бұрын
@@JediMediator Because sexual disorder is an anti-cultural trait that weaken the importance of sex as a way to formented a human being and form a family. See i didnt say God, but God rule is about cultivating our peace and hope.
@miket5135
13 күн бұрын
Here goes -see below (I think though that justguy 238 is right that the popular narrative is so ingrained that it is almost futile trying to persuade those who think they know best that they are incorrect in the perception they have received from this popular narrative. The persuasive arguments relating to homosexuality are barely ever heard so it's a false equivalence to claim those ìnfluenced by a Christian worldview would be brainwashed in the same way as it is far more anticulural position than the atheist/humanist/progressive/"enlightened" view.
My theism is rational. Disordered sex acts are not.
@KarateCowboy05
19 күн бұрын
Also, "homophobia" does not exist. It's "homonausea" and "homonausic", because it is based in disgust, not fear.
@joshuataylor3550
19 күн бұрын
Why did god create homosexuals?
@joshuataylor3550
19 күн бұрын
@@KarateCowboy05do you also believe oil is literally fearful of water when we give it the trait if 'hydroPHOBIA'? You're a bigot, accept that or accept homosexuality is entirely normal. Grow up in fact. You and you're imaginary being are the ones causing real damage to real people for no reason.
@luxither7354
19 күн бұрын
He didn't 'create' homosexuals, just as he didn't 'create' the desire for Polygamy among many men. We must first establish that Evil isn't substantial, it's unsubstantial. Just as Darkness is not itself a substance, but instead the absence of light, evil is not something diametrically opposed to Good, but merely its absence. This is why we call it 'sin', denoting from a Archery term which means missing the mark. God made man perfectly in the image of God with no fault, with no potential for evil. Our nature was perfect, whereby Adam and Eve in the garden knew no shame for their nakedness and dwelt with God. But Goodness is only Good with the possibility of choice. This God gave Adam and Eve the choice of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. To choose this fruit, to choose evil, is to choose the absence of Good, in all senses. This is what Christians call the fall. The fall ontological stripped us of the full goodness of our nature, disposing us to debilitate towards the virtuous choice, which opens us to the error of evil. As a result of this corruption of nature, our faculties are disordered, each way unique to us. One struggles with Gluttony. One struggles with Pride. And one struggles in Lust towards the opposite sex. This imperfection of human nature, caused by our forefathers giving up of the blessed goodness of God, causes homosexuality. But God, knowing evil is evil, came to us in the Incarnation of Christ. He took upon flesh to raise it back up to what it once was: fellowship with God. Not only this, he raises it higher in utterly likeness to him, not merely in our nature but supernaturally. This is the Christian mystery. Christ came to solve to right the wrong of our First Father Adam, himself being the New Adam. He tramples down the wage of sin, that is death, with the Cross and Resurrection. He frees us by paying our debt and binding the debt keeper, Satan.
@AJKPenguin
19 күн бұрын
@@joshuataylor3550 Peace good sir. The better questions to ask are why we have concupiscence and why we have free will. We have the tendency to sin because of the chronicle in Genesis 3. But that's not the be all end all. Adam and Eve freely chose to grab the fruit, prior to its ripe, appropriate time. They grasped at something that was going to be theirs, but it was not given just yet. After their banishment from Paradise, they freely chose God and continued to work out their eventual salvation, awaiting the day of Christ. We even recite on Pascha the Happy Falls of our Patriarch and Matriarch. It was from evil, imperfect goods and despicable things, by definition, that the Greater and Greatest good took place. Paradise was lost with a tree, gained with a Tree (the Cross). Now, similarly to Adam and Eve, one who sins, chooses something out of the right time and the right way. Yet, we can then freely repent and start fresh anew. We can await the Blessed Hope, and work with God to allow Salvation to redeem us fully. God, Love Himself, Goodness Himself, permits us free will that we may not be simply forced against our will to be with Him. It's for that very reason we can, though Lord forbid it, we choose our own damnation, eternal separation from God in Hell. Whether or not same sex attraction is from birth or by choice, we have the ability to access God's Grace, to make that free will choice to not simply seize on an imperfect fruit, out of season, to use an imperfect, inappropriate method and confiscate a treasure that pales in comparison to Treasure greater than we are focused on.
I'm an atheist and completely on your side on this one Trent. It makes me sad that so many of my fellow skeptics have been entirely captured ideologically by extreme leftism/wokeism, which is a secular religion. I may not agree with your beliefs, but I enjoy your videos and debates because of your high intelligence and kind demeanor, thanks for always challenging my worldview in thoughtful ways and keep up the great work!
@Bred-vz2py
19 күн бұрын
What do you mean they have been captured by leftism and wokeism. It's that way because those ideologies go hand in hand with atheism. Atheism does not go hand in hand with conservatism. If we agree that there is no ultimate authority like God you don't get to tell me what to do. Plus what does woke even mean ?!? Pretty sure that like the conservatives you side with you can't even define that word.
@emiliawisniewski3947
15 күн бұрын
Welcome!
@johnbr59
13 күн бұрын
You are correct: wokeism is indeed a quasi-religious cult, and ultimately from my point of view, it is downright satanic. The religion of the anti-Christ indeed.
@itsale5918
11 күн бұрын
You clearly aren't a very smart atheist if you're calling extreme leftist/wokeism (whatever that means) a "secular religion", especially considering this so-called religion among your fellow skeptics has no deity.
@titanomachy2217
10 күн бұрын
Yeah, Wokeness is a fledging state-backed cult. I'm so sick of this mental contagion taking over the world, especially the West.
Ummm as a former atheist female, my view of myself and the treatment of the men around me became wayyyyy better after becoming catholic. So the atheist:s pejorative view of the treatment of women by the Church is entirely unwarranted. I'm a mere sex object under atheism. It always comes down to that. As an atheist, it always seemed like I was fighting a losing battle to show the world I had dignity. The Church already assumes and knows that I have dignity. It's not even a question.
@christusenciaga
19 күн бұрын
Based
@billhesse1204
18 күн бұрын
May God continue to bless you on your journey. Prayers for the conversion of all souls.
@tomasrocha6139
18 күн бұрын
Sirach 42:14 "A man's wickedness is better than a woman's goodness; women bring shame and disgrace." Saint Epiphanius “Women are unstable, prone to error, and mean-spirited.” Panarion (also known as, Against Heresies) 79.1.6 Saint John Chrystosom “The woman taught once, and ruined all. On this account therefore he says, let her not teach. But what is it to other women, that she suffered this? It certainly concerns them; for the sex is weak and fickle, and he is speaking of the sex collectively.” Homily 9 on First Timothy “Man was first formed, and elsewhere he shows their superiority.” Homily 9 on First Timothy “God maintained the order of each sex by dividing the business of life into two parts, and assigned the more necessary and beneficial aspects to the man and the less important, inferior matter to the woman.” The Kind of Women who ought to be taken as Wives “Hearken about the women of old; they were great characters, great women and admirable; such were Sarah, Rebekah, Rachel, Deborah, and Hannah; and such there were also in the days of Christ. Yet did they in no case outstrip the men, but occupied the second rank.” Homily 13 on Ephesians (Ephesians 4:24) Saint Augustine “I don’t see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?” De Genesi ad literam (The Literal Meaning of Genesis) 9.5.9 “… woman was given to man, woman who was of small intelligence and who perhaps still lives more in accordance with the promptings of the inferior flesh than by superior reason. Is this why the apostle Paul does not attribute the image of God to her?” De Genesi ad literam Book 11.42 “… the woman together with her own husband is the image of God, so that that whole substance may be one image; but when she is referred separately to her quality of help-meet, which regards the woman herself alone, then she is not the image of God; but as regards the man alone, he is the image of God as fully and completely as when the woman too is joined with him in one.” Letter to Laetus (Letter 243.10) Saint Thomas Aquinas “But woman is naturally of less strength and dignity than man …” Summa Theologica, Volume 1, Question 92, Article 1, Objection 2. (Read it here.) “As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence. Such as that of a south wind, which is moist, as the Philosopher observes” (On the Generation of Animals 4.2). ”
@alonsoACR
18 күн бұрын
@@tomasrocha6139 One Bible quote, which is out of context, from a book that's infamous for [REDACTED] (look it up). There's a billion others talking about women by the respect and dignity they're owed. The Church Fathers you quote are either horribly out of context, or just mistaken. Which is fine, they can be wrong. The infallibility of the Church, which is an angle you may fairly try to attack, is in Her Magisterium. Dig through the Catechism and look for anything that degrades women. The Catholic Church has her beliefs shown organized and publicly, and these can never be changed. Show us the Catechism. An Encyclical. Something that isn't a Father, who while venerable, can be wrong, quite unlike the Church.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
RR doesn’t understand the nuances in Catholic doctrine between Just Title sl-v3ry, and ch-ttel. The former has many restrictions, and can be justified by certain circumstances, whereas the latter cannot be justified ever. Today, both would be immoral, bc the circumstances for justifying it are no longer applicable. As for the Old Testament, whereas it included some elements of the chatt3l version, we know that God permitted some evil actions like div0rc3, in the OT, to avoid greater evils. The reason why the Apostles didn’t mention it in the New Testament (but it is mentioned in the Tradition of the Church), is bc they were not primarily concerned with it. It would have put a bigger target on the early Christians’ backs. It was common in the Roman system, so instead of saying to stage some type of rev0lt, they said to act good, do witness to the Gospel, and in Christ there is no sl-v3 or free. It was eventually fizzled out of Rome after Christianity became legal, and in the Middle Ages ot was replaced mostly by serfdom, until the Age of Exploration, where the Popes concurrently condemned it.
I'm Catholic. I'm having a bit of a faith crisis. Trent is like a lighthouse in a stormy ocean. Thank you. ❤
@brucemcgoose7609
19 күн бұрын
Trent is like the sailor riding on the boat with you pointing to the lighthouse. The lighthouse itself is like Jesus
@imwatchingyouiminyourwalls
19 күн бұрын
Praying for you.
@susand3668
19 күн бұрын
Dear@@brucemcgoose7609, okay, but we all knew what was meant. Remember when Jesus was baptizing more than John the Baptizer, but actually it was His disciples who were doing the baptisms? Everything Good comes from God, you know. So every compliment to a human redounds to our Creator. But you knew that.
@brucemcgoose7609
19 күн бұрын
@@susand3668 Fair enough, just felt like the analogy took away glory from the Lord. Maybe I am wrong though idk 🤷♂️
@pauldudley1200
19 күн бұрын
I’m praying for you, God bless you!
The problem with Stephen seems to be the same problem as with 13 year olds who discover atheism for the first time, they take the position of atheism to be the same as being rational. When you think this way, it doesn't matter whether or not you actually use rationality and reasoning in forming your worldview, because so long as you deny the existence of God, you are defacto rational. Hence the ridiculous arguments such as the Church not actually teaching that homosexual acts are immoral.
@mr.iankp.5734
19 күн бұрын
It's sad really. You see grown men with the mentality you'd find in an angsty teen, and because of it they reduce "reason" and "rationality" to mere slogans.
@patrickthomas2119
19 күн бұрын
Exactly, I just had a similar discussion with some poster that was claiming that atheism was a position that didn't need to be defended since it was not making any claims it was only refuting others' claims. When I said "even the claim that you are not making a claim is in fact a claim" they didn't seem to grasp it. I tried to explain that EVERY position has to be able to offer a reasonable defense or it is not reasonable. But of course they doubled down. I am not sure what exactly I believe about God, but I am certain that the typical online atheist position (such as Stephen takes) is both intellectually bankrupt and more akin to cult devotion then true skepticism.
@susand3668
19 күн бұрын
Dear@@patrickthomas2119, you may not know what you think of God, but I can tell you with great confidence what He thinks of you: He is madly in love with you. He thinks you are worth the infinite energy of creating your soul out of nothing. And, as the pope's latest Magisterial document "Dignitatis Infinita" states, He has given you His utmost respect. He will not ravage you into accepting His love. He is wooing you. (I don't know how. But I know my atheist husband, once he accepted that I loved him, began to see God's surprising gifts coming to him everyday. Life itself is a gift. And for me, today, I have the gift of reading your thoughtful response. Thank you.)
@joeterp5615
19 күн бұрын
Very good insight into the mentality of many of these new atheists. I’ve found many of them to be quite juvenile and decidedly non-intellectual in engagements. They think lambasting a “bearded fairy god in the sky” is a slam dunk debate winning line. It’s sophomoric. They only refute a cartoonish caricature of religion that they have created in their minds.
@nisonatic
19 күн бұрын
Atheism has a single, negative proposition. All you can really do with a negative proposition is attack people who support the positive. And that can be a perfectly fine thing to do, there are plenty of bad cults out there that deserve to be attack. (Though I suspect someone like Mike Winger is more inclined to risk their ire than most atheist commentators, who prefer less litigious targets.) The structure of a belief system tends to shape the emotional drive behind it. Atheists can be just as positive about the world as anyone else, but they can never tie it back to "god doesn't exist." Maybe an atheist wants to promote science, but no science or math communicator would find it helpful to periodically remind their audience that god doesn't exist. It doesn't help you promote reason or rationality; your single axiom is only relevant in debates on whether God exists and doesn't even help settle those. It doesn't help you promote any secular moral values because the lack of a singular moral canon is a problem. You can't so much as do an atheist food channel because your burger doesn't taste any better when god doesn't exist. And then Stephen has to support #currentThing politics in his atheism, because while atheism has no positive claims to advocate, political movements always do. The ideologues bring a positive emotional message, thus dominating the discussion, and politics ruins everything.
I don’t understand how atheist believes people can “be born in the wrong body”. That’s a very religious concept.
@user-jy6hd9uw8h
19 күн бұрын
Right! It's like saying there are no such things as morality, beauty, etc... But when it's feelings... 😂😂 They deny any kind of intuitive feelings for morality and then get all new age if it's the soul! It's like wanting to have fast transportation, but hate cars...
@WaterCat5
18 күн бұрын
That's because it's a figure of speech, and few people actually think that. It's meant to illustrate the feeling, not describe actual reality.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
If you are born male, you have a male psyche, and vice versa. Hence, it’s literally impossible. And these aren’t just “small differences” either. These also aren’t all, “societal constructs”. Bc men and women act the same throughout all cultures. There are social constructs built atop these differences, but there are real differences. Also, just bc something is a social construct, like dres-ing a certain way, that does not make it not harmful to not go along with it.
@user-pt1ky6db9y
14 күн бұрын
@@WaterCat5 What is this figure of speech describing though? What is the actual structure of gender and sex that does not rely on the existence of a "soul" of sorts? It's religious in nature.
@WaterCat5
14 күн бұрын
@@user-pt1ky6db9y That's because it's not referring to an actual soul but referring to the idea of a soul as a locus of a person. Whether anyone likes it or not, the concept of a soul being the seat of someone's being is a pervasive element of western society. Just because imagery uses an idea does not mean the user of said imagery believes in the idea. We do this all the time when we say feelings come from the heart. This is obviously not the case in reality, but we do it because of cultural context and shared history.
Lifelong Protestant here, and I _totally_ agree with the RCC’s moral stance in virtually all issues facing us today (abortion, homosexuality, LGBTQ, marriage, sexuality, etc.). Great video, Trent. You have once again dismantled Strawman Stephen with your usual efficiency.
@revelation1215
19 күн бұрын
So if the RCC managed to get those hard truths right, why are you still protesting?
@Mark-cd2wf
18 күн бұрын
@@revelation1215 The differences between Protestants and Roman Catholics have (historically) almost always been theological, not moral.
@revelation1215
17 күн бұрын
@@Mark-cd2wf That doesn't mean those differences are valid, especially since it's a moving target, no one agreeing but everyone sure their version is correct. Kind of silly when you step back how there are so many who are sure their view is the only valid one.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
We know that upon conception, the fetus is living, human, and a whole organism. But is it a person? What makes something a person? Things like consciousness or brain function can be found in animals, yet they are not persons. Is it rational thought? This is what separates human thought from animals’. However, an infant does not have rational thought yet. Therefore, anyone arguing that a fetus isn’t a person would also be arguing that an infant isn’t a person. Most philosophers agree. And that is absolutely an abhorrent stance to take. I would say that a person is an individual member of a rational kind. A human being would have a rational soul, and therefore, it would be wrong to k-ll them from conception to natural death, with few exceptions such as self defense. The violinist argument is equally bad. The baby has a body too. It only works in cases of r-p-, where the woman doesn’t choose to do an act, which has the primary end of procreation. However, even then, there’s a difference between ordinary and extraordinary care, which would completely debunk the whole point made. If you say that leaving an infant in a field to d-e is wrong, even if the woman didn’t want the b-by, then it’s also therefore wrong to have an abo-on. In cases of the life of the mother, since it is evil to do a wrong to produce a good, direct would be considered wrong, whereas indirect would be fine. The best argument is probably the self defense argument. However, the problem again would be that self defense isn’t supposed to be direct; and indirect instead.
The smugness and self-righteous superiority of these Reddit atheist types always annoys me way more than their arguments ever could.
@insectslayer1374
18 күн бұрын
"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
P0-n is evil. 1. It degrades the actors to being objects of pleas-r-. It degrades the watchers by using their l-st for money. It degrades everyone involved. 2. It’s basically pr0st1tut10n with extra steps, and comes with all the problems of it. Preying on those that are in bad circumstances. M1n0r-. R-e. Tr-ff1ck1n-. It’s basically like getting 2 pr0st1tud3s to have “s” while you watch. 3. It is shown to children, and has bad soceital consequences and bad psychological consequences. It’s also addictive.
@nyakabb2472
12 күн бұрын
Are you also annoyed by God commanding the slaughter of children
@angelalewis3645
11 күн бұрын
@@nyakabb2472 Read the book “Is God a Moral Monster?” It answers the issue you raise.
@nyakabb2472
10 күн бұрын
@@angelalewis3645 ummm l think it's better to read the Bible which speaks for itself.Was the book written by an apologist.
Rationalityrules seems to be focused on rhetoric and feeling instead of actual rationality.
@conspiracy1914
19 күн бұрын
wouldn't be an atheist if they actually followed rationality.
@catholicguy1073
19 күн бұрын
More like all sophistry with no logic
@user-gs4oi1fm4l
18 күн бұрын
@@catholicguy1073so much for our "most educated" generation
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Who remembers when the mora metaphysics article defending “z00ph-l-a” came out? It basically pointed out that with modern s3x-al ethics, there’s nothing wrong with it. And everyone in their right mind realizes that’s wrong. What makes it wrong? It’s not cons3nt. We hunt and eat animals all the time. It’s not ab_s-, what about forms that are not harmful? It would still obviously be wrong. It’s wrong because it’s a perv-sion. We simply know that humans should have relations with humans, and not with an animals. Taking that further, then the n-t-ral partner of a man is a wom-n. Therefore, men should have s with women. This would also mean contraception is evil since it would be going against the primary end of procreation. Overall, there’s a reason we don’t have these kinds of relationships with rocks, animals, or whatever else, but the oppos-te s3-.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Maybe there is a reason why we don’t have “s” with inanimate objects, animals, etc. 🤔
It’s always rough to watch a guy be so smug while not getting anything right.
@TheCounselofTrent
19 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment! -Vanessa
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Something about men being passive was considered so feminine to Romans and Greeks, that they considered it a terrible crime. Notice how this stuff tends to “demascluinize” men, or make women more “masculine”? Yeah, this can’t be good. Going against their own natures. This kind of stuff makes it so much harder for said person to prosper in the world , imo.
@Krshwunk
8 күн бұрын
Ooooh ... good line.
@Elintasokas
4 күн бұрын
The other side defending morality derived from fairy tales written by desert sheep herders isn't any better. They're both with their heads in the sand.
Trent I am an Orthodox and you have given me a love for the Catholic Church and more love for Orthodox Church I thank you for that. God Bless.
@alisterrebelo9013
19 күн бұрын
I thank you for your charity and love towards the Catholic Church. Christos anesti, surréxit vere, allelúja!
@itssslashhere5245
19 күн бұрын
@@alisterrebelo9013 Yes Brother God Bless you are my fellow worshiper of Christ
@billhesse1204
18 күн бұрын
Prayers always for Christian unity
@itssslashhere5245
18 күн бұрын
@@billhesse1204 Christens unite. God Bless
Rationality rules is the current generation’s Amazing Atheist. He and the people that follow him think are being way smarter than what they really are.
@1685Violin
19 күн бұрын
I first heard Rationality Rules around 2016 when he was a typical athiest. I found out years later that he made videos that were controversial to the left about a "certain kind of athlete" that a BreadTuber named Essence of Thought had to make a vidoe about. Atheists are not free thinkers as they think if they capitulate to progressive dogma.
@Mark-cd2wf
19 күн бұрын
Yeah, he’s amazing, alright. Amazingly blind, that is…🤷♂️
@catholicguy1073
19 күн бұрын
Yup a bunch of guys who can’t score 1,000 on an SAT yet think they are intellectuals 😂. The projection that comes out of that guy is mind boggling
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
The science is actually not conclusive for if they’re actually born with it. For example, identical twins can have different s-ualities. However, people are born with disordered desires all the time. It’s called concupiscence and is a result of Original Sin. Many are called to the Gift of Chastity, some to even become Priests. Just bc one is born with a bad desire does not mean it’s okay.
Evil Steven Woodford be like "I'm gonna do my research and write a cohesive argument before posting a video"
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Remember before all this craziness when men would say things like “I love you with all my heart”, and it was not considered s-ual?
@imwatchingyouiminyourwalls
11 күн бұрын
I keep forgetting your comment exists and burst out laughing every time I see it only to also see I had already liked it.
@carstontoedter1333
11 күн бұрын
@@imwatchingyouiminyourwalls glad I can brighten your day brother/sister
Bring back blurry video with plain white background Just kidding, this is so much better! So exciting to see this channel grow and develop. Go Trent
Non-Catholics will accuse us of worshiping Mary and then in the same breath say we oppress women
I'm a Protestant myself but absolutely love videos like this one that defend the faith and the heart of scripture and/or tradition. I've learned so much from your channel, and keep fighting the good fight Trent
Stephen needs to step up to the plate and debate Trent already. We’d love to see it, and I trust Trent to put forward strong of the Catholic position, as he always does. Hopefully we get to see that happen sometime soon.
@timreilly6081
19 күн бұрын
He’s scared lol
@christusenciaga
19 күн бұрын
I don’t wanna see that. Stephen would be demolished by Trent. It’s only entertaining if they have close to the same amount of skill as debaters
@rcbmmines4579
19 күн бұрын
@christusenciaga don't think of the entertainment value, think of the souls deceived by Stephen, and Stephen himself. If it takes Trent Horn demolishing him in a debate, deconstructing him publicly, then may it be so. May his shame lead him, or at the very least his followers, lead them to true rationality.
@christusenciaga
19 күн бұрын
@@rcbmmines4579 that’s very true. Good point!
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
RR should explain why having “s” with an an-m3l is wrong. It’s not c0ns3-t, we hunt and eat anim-s all the time. It’s not ab-s3, bc there are forms of it which aren’t h-rmful. It’s wr-ng bc humans should have s with humans. The n-t-r-l partn-r of m3n is w0m-n. Therefore, m3n should have s with w0m-n.
He says tough love is sometimes the best love, yet when it's God punishing man for sin, it's irrational and immoral. Interesting.
@ironymatt
19 күн бұрын
Snorted my coffee out the nose when he said that, as if he's the epitome of a concerned authority figure meting out necessary discipline. Internet tough guys like Woodford are in for a rude awakening
@SilentShinobi12
18 күн бұрын
Yeah and then when it’s somebody showing how ridiculous transgender ideology is, all the sudden it’s hateful.
@WaterCat5
18 күн бұрын
How is this interesting? The qualifier "sometimes" means that not all instances are the "best." It is entirely coherent for him to believe that and also believe God's punishment isn't justified.
@fringeflix
18 күн бұрын
@WaterCat5 It's interesting because it's a drop in the bucket of 'rules for thee but not for me' that the YT atheist sphere seems to enjoy. For example, if a theist says they don't know, they and their book are ridiculed, yet if an atheist says it, it's an acceptable answer. If a theist splits hairs in a debate, it's a fallacy, but if an atheist does, it's just nuance. That's why it's interesting, because there's a million other examples.
@ironymatt
18 күн бұрын
@@WaterCat5 if sometimes, then those times that are administered by God would by default have to be top of the list, as by definition he is perfect. You don't have to believe in God to see that it follows logically, and that the inverse is, as OP said, irrational
We've endured far worse than athiests, especially severely under educated and severly over inflated ones like stephen, it will continue and survive far beyond him too.
@ironymatt
19 күн бұрын
True, but the problem is the uncritical multitudes, especially kids on social media who too readily equate views with validation, who upon encountering such ideas are enraptured with the propaganda. For any given topic you can have an infinite amount of incorrect positions, and unscrambling the mess after the fact isn't nearly as preferable as preventing a mess in the first place
@cosmicnomad8575
19 күн бұрын
@@ironymattThat’s true. I’m not worried about the Faith as a whole, it will prevail, but I am worried for the many people that will fall away because of this stuff.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Just look at their rates of ab-s- and p3d---
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
17 күн бұрын
@@kyrptonite1825remember the soviet atrocities
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
I’m talking about skittles, but atheists cause their own problems
Noticing a real trend lately. Many softly spoken Catholic apologists (including Trent, and Bishop Barron, and even Pope Francis) are starting to get tougher. All 3 have had strong words to say lately, and have chosen to do so without placating their opponents with niceties first. I like it! Drawing a line in the sand with this rubbish. Calling a spade a spade. Not in spite, but with authority. As long as it doesn't become spite, I'm so glad to see it. Keep it up 🙂
Shiny new studio! Love it Trent
So this rules guy just highlighted that he knows neither Church teachings or history well at all.
@ironymatt
19 күн бұрын
He doesn't really care about the people who know better, propagandists are always after the impressionable or otherwise vulnerable who are easily swayed
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Every major religion and classical philosopher disagrees with this stuff. Even people like Marx, Stalin, or Neitzche did as well. It’s just propaganda and emotion baiting left over from the 1960s without any good philosophical points.
7:24. whoever said that this quote "is not catholic, it is hate" either does not know what catholicism is or is purposefully lying about catholic moral and ethical sexual behavior. either way, they are sorely mistaken.
We are literally seeing a guy having tantrums then call his channel “Rationality Rules.”
@angelalewis3645
11 күн бұрын
😂
i think we can all appreciate the irony of an atheist calling someone a bad catholic
Im not even Christian but that was a sloppy response from Rationality Rules. Also, didnt he agree to debate you Trent? Whatever happened to that.
@Si_Mondo
19 күн бұрын
Most of his responses are sloppy; remember his fallacy videos years ago? He'd regularly commit the very fallacy he'd be claiming someone else committed while explaining the fallacy and why he thought the target of his claim had done so. There's no self-awareness in that fella, with a *huge* ideological blind spot.
@IWasOnceAFetus
19 күн бұрын
I remember Mathoma destroying RR on Thomistic arguments. It was embarrassing for RR. I never could take RR seriously after that.
I've never heard the term "Christphobic" until this guy said it. My Chrome spell check doesn't even recognize it. This is because Christians don't (or at least shouldn't) dismiss people who don't agree with them as being scared of them or bigoted towards them.
@user-pt1ky6db9y
14 күн бұрын
I think I have heard it used ironically once but it's such a bad, unnatural comparison that I am shocked he didn't cut it out in post.
I love how that "rational" atheists video falls apart in the first 20 seconds and then thoroughly implodes due to his own views a few years ago. While he's allowed to change his views it seems his views have changed from "Ideas should be discussed" to "There are sacred ideas you cannot go against".
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Just a bunch of bs propaganda that they literally said they would spew in the 1960s reiterated constantly with 0 actual philosophy to back it up. Just emotional arguments. Despite every major classical philosopher disagreeing with it
The production quality has gotten so good! Nice background mate!
Fan here. I know you're working on a new studio. Your new lights are too high in contrast. You look like an elderly villain. Disperse the light source and work on angle of light to separate you from the background rather than definition in you face. Great content as always.
@thomaswest-tv
19 күн бұрын
Brutal.
@wolfofthewest8019
19 күн бұрын
I was thinking Trent was looking ill, but you're right, it's the lighting.
@NMemone
17 күн бұрын
@thomaswest-tv "Elderly villain" is a bit much, but once they pointed it out, I did notice the shadows on his face do make him look a little severe. Everything else is top notch though!
What Trent do: posting a new video What I noticed: The change in logo and the studio All that's left is adding the intro music we used to have :p God bless you always, Mr. Trent Horn :))
The word "homophobia" was problematic from the very beginning. First, it uses the suffix "phobia" which means "fear of", so that anyone hearing the word for the first time would naturally assume that it means the fear of something. But most people who use the word "homophobia" aren't referring to fear, but rather to hatred (or at least distaste or prejudice) -- even though in many cases, there is no hatred on display at all. I've always considered it to be a propagandistic word that's so problematic as to be basically meaningless.
@jimbarino2
19 күн бұрын
Of course its propanda, the phobia suffix is used to imply that whoever you are applying it to is not against somehing for any rational reason, but because they are irrationally afraid of it. It is a way to shut down debate before it can start, sort of a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" question. BTW, the word irritates me grammactically, as well. Homo is from the greek work for "same" - "homossexual" means "same sex". So "homophobia" would mean "fear of the same", or fear of people like oneself. It makes no sense.
@tomasrocha6139
19 күн бұрын
Phobic can just mean averse rather than afraid e.g. hydrophobic
@user-sj3oy9yb2x
19 күн бұрын
Phobia - an extreme or irrational fear of or AVERSION to something
@m.f.5739
19 күн бұрын
It is a textbook example of weaponized language. By adding "phobia", which is mostly used in psychology, is an attempt to pathologize worldviews which oppose homosexuality.
@Paul71H
19 күн бұрын
@@tomasrocha6139 In most "-phobia" words, the "-phobia" suffix means "fear of." I looked up your example of "hydrophobia" in Merriam-Webster's online dictionary. The first definition is simply "rabies," while the second definition is "a morbid dread of water." The same dictionary defines "dread" as "great fear especially in the face of impending evil." So Merriam-Webster defines hydrophobia as either another name for rabies, or a fear of water.
I must be somewhat out of the loop here. I've never heard the term "Christphobic" before this exchange... No matter. Keep doing what you're doing Trent by defending what the Church actually teaches! Also, really like the new studio look. God bless!
@sassychimpanzee7431
19 күн бұрын
Agreed. I've also never heard the term christphobic. If anything, I imagine some Christians used this word as a joking response to being called homophobic or transphobic. I highly doubt anyone was using the word christphobic in a genuine manner.
@conspiracy1914
19 күн бұрын
I am not a Christian but I have never heard that yet. and I watch a lot of religious beef.
It’s giving “I’m an atheist who’s read the Bible cover to cover” energy 😂 like yeah sureeee bud, sure you have
@wolfofthewest8019
19 күн бұрын
As a former atheist who read the Bible cover to cover, there is a *_HUGE_* difference between reading with contempt and a desire to find error and reading with a genuine interest in understanding. I am re-reading the Bible now through Christian eyes, and its an entirely different book when you are actually trying to understand it and not just scanning it for things you can interpret as uncharitably and out-of-context as you can.
@angelalewis3645
11 күн бұрын
@@wolfofthewest8019 ❤
Studio looking good
Rationality Rules has a similar energy to the channel 4 Cathy Newman Jordan Peterson interview
@ironymatt
19 күн бұрын
Smug, sneering condescension compensating for ignorance? Yeah, same odor
Thank you so much for what you do for Catholics Trent ! I wish we had people like you in France, where i live. That's always sad to me to see Christianity decline and a toxic so-called "laïcisme" that is just atheism badly disguised, taking over my country. Wish you good luck to you, Americans, to conserv Christianity in your Home ! Please would make the favor for playing for the eldest Daughter of the Church to come back ? thank you again Trent and to everyone fighting for Christ's Cause !
@joeterp5615
19 күн бұрын
I think you meant “praying” not “playing.” Correct? I will pray for France. Such a rich heritage of faith and Saints! I have ancestors from France. I’d love to visit Lourdes in the next year or so.
@vivelesourspolaires334
18 күн бұрын
@@joeterp5615 Yes of course, my auto-corrector tricked me. And thank you for your prayers, and that's a great idea to come to Lourdes. It's a great place !
Our culture is at the point where use of any "phobic" term is said in hatred towards another or their belief system. Great video Trent, your patience and charity towards Stephen's smug arrogance is a loving skill I struggle with.
Give massive congratulations to whoever worked on the studio-- looks great and fits the tone of the show so well!
@thomaswest-tv
19 күн бұрын
Thank you sir!
Did Stephen not understand how his arguments were backfiring when making his video? I see atheist call Christians irrational constantly, but I don't think I've ever seen a Christian respond with saying that's bigoted. Also I almost never hear the term "Christophobe". Seems like he should've realized what he was saying didn't cohere to how people talk
Woodford has top tier audience size but is bottom tier with his bad atheist apologetics. Bro is groanworthy nearly every time he opens his mouth
This atheist channel was also rebutted by David Wood (Apologetics Roadshow) on a live event a month ago. This is the second time I'm seeing his chain of reasoning being blatantly exposed. Pretty bad...
I have never called a LGBT person a bigot for not believing what I believe but I’m called one all the time and when they yell and scream at me for saying they are in Christ’s image and Christian I don’t disagree with them it’s when they say they can be Christian and still keep their sin is what I have a problem with. We must ALL REPENT. ALL OF US. Including them and me. So tired of them not only forcing their beliefs onto us but trying to change our beliefs to fit their lifestyle preferences. So utterly insane. 🙏🏼🕊️✝️
@hydraph4843
10 күн бұрын
I'm a queer person here. What do you do when talking to LGBTQ people? Do you actually say to them that it is wrong? Because there's a difference between not believing what other people do, and actively discriminating against others based on things like sexuality or religion. So, for the record, I would say that it is wrong to discriminate against you based on your religious beliefs. You don't have to like people being gay, but you can just treat them like anyone else
Production and camera quality are on point, Trent. ❤🔥
Screaming over the new studio!!!!! So excited for what’s to come
That thumbnail! 😅 'I still don't care' - epic!! 😂
WOW, TRENT! the thumbnail made me go "OoOh" it's a nice change from your usual aesthetic. I'm loving the new studio design as well 🙌
There are good, smart atheists that I can enjoy listening to, especially ones who can steel-man the Christian position and acknowledge nuances and contexts that Stephen can't seem to grasp, but Stephen just constantly comes across as an insufferable narcissist who loves the feeling of cheap gotchas.
@user-rg1hw8he8s
10 күн бұрын
You summed it up so well! I feel embarrassed for him. I would bet most atheists would even see through his weak attempts.
Excellent master class of a response. The absolute irrational arrogance of RR is honestly just pathetic. God Bless you sir. I'll pray that if he cannot be converted, that those who follow him at least see the truth.
I've never seen someone as arrogant as they are ignorant. I hope the lord opens his eyes one day.
Absolutely incredible new setup Trent! Looks amazing!
@thomaswest-tv
19 күн бұрын
Thank you!
WE ARE SO BACK Video looks fantastic
The legend is back and better than ever
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
A reminder that p0rn is just pr0st1t-t10n with extra steps
Them: RATIONALITY RULES!!!! Also them: MEN CAN BECOME WOMEN JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!!!
I love the studio! The production quality is amazing too!
@TheCounselofTrent
19 күн бұрын
We appreciate the positive feedback! -Vanessa
It's "homonausea" and "homonausic" not "homophobia" and "homophobic". So-called "homophobia" does not exist, because it is based in disgust, not fear. Be sure to correct the misuse when you see it.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
I should love my wife and my kids in different ways. Therefore, love isn’t just always love. There are different types of love that you ought to have for different people. That’s why the Greeks had different words for different types of love. “Love” in English is actually quite a weird word.
@hydraph4843
10 күн бұрын
Words are somewhat fluid. If you look up the definition of homophobia by google it will include a disliking of and discriminating against gay people
Love the background!
RR really thought he cooked with that "rebuttal." 😆 Stay based Trent, I don't care that I'm "homophobic" either.
@TheCounselofTrent
19 күн бұрын
Thanks for the support! -Vanessa
On January 13 1435 his holiness Eugene IV published the papal encyclical Sicut Dudum (translates to “just as formally”) condemning the Spanish colonizers for enslaving the locals of the Canary Islands he told them that if they didn’t release their slaves and give them some money upon release within 15 days the salve owners would be given a irrevocable excommunication. So the Church since the beginning has been against forced unpaid labor
@angelalewis3645
11 күн бұрын
🙌🏻
“Is this really what the church teaches?” *cut to Trent staring at the camera* “Yes.”
"All of the Church Fathers, from Augustine to Aquinas..." Aquinas was a Scholastic (not technically a Church Father) and something tells me those are the only two theologians Stephen knows
Their boos mean nothing, we've seen what makes them cheer. Keep up the good work Trent!🇻🇦
Welcome back, Trent!! New set looks great!!!
Agreed for the most part, but you want to be careful saying plainly "Women do not have penises". They can and will bring up so-called "intersex" conditions in which some biological females are in fact born with partially or non-functioning penises, to rebut that. Naturally, that wouldn't justify their own worldview (that someone can be a woman just by *identifying* as one), but it would effectively refute this particular claim of yours. I usually define "woman" as an "adult human female" when they challenge me in turn, with "female" being someone whose body naturally developed largely toward the function of bearing children. This would include those who due to aging, defects, etc. cannot fulfill that role entirely but who nevertheless developed largely toward the function.
@josephmoore5949
19 күн бұрын
Yes. Intersex is an interesting case, because unlike the trans identity/gender stuff, this actually deals in biology. And then the question becomes are there really two sexes or not? Richard Dawkins who of course is an atheist that believes there are only 2 sexes, as I think he would call the other variations abnormalities, but not seperate sexes. The atheists that are woke would claim they are seperate sexes however. I think 2 sexes only makes more sense. The abnormalities you could say sort of combine them in various ways into one, but the male and female binary still exists. That is how I see it anyhow.
@christusenciaga
19 күн бұрын
Trent typically says that there are two sexes. One ordered towards fertilization (i.e., male) and one ordered towards gestation (i.e., female). These two descriptions include all people, even those with genetic abnormalities like you mentioned.
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
I would say they aren’t different sexes, just deformities present, but they ultimately are one or the other. Also, an exception wouldn’t disprove the rule for those that don’t have it,
@Vic2point0
17 күн бұрын
@@kyrptonite1825 True.
Dude, the new studio looks great! And you made a great video!
Catholicism is very inconvenient to those who embrace moral relativism because they often have difficulty understanding that the Church's teachings are not so open to interpretation and changing as their own beliefs.
The quality improvement of your videos is remarkable. keep up the great work Trent!
Love the video, Trent! Also, LOVE the studio set up and look of the more recent videos. Looking SLICK, sir :)
@TheCounselofTrent
15 күн бұрын
Haha thank you! We appreciate your support! -Vanessa
10:52 correction: The first country to outlaw slavery was Poland. It did so some time in 11th century, after its crown prince, Mieszko I, accepted Catholicisim and the religion spread throughout the country. Poland was also the first nation in the world to allow women to vote.
@johnnotrealname8168
14 күн бұрын
No, on both counts. France actually instituted freedom of the land. A black slave in the 18th Century could, and did, get his freedom despite Colonial laws to the contrary. Courts refused laws curtailing this even to blacks. The first country to give women the vote was Corsica actually. Did not last long though.
@maciejpieczula631
14 күн бұрын
@johnnotrealname8168 it's like you didn't even read my comment.
@johnnotrealname8168
14 күн бұрын
@@maciejpieczula631 I did. You are wrong on both counts.
Thank you, Trent Horn, for teaching the same Truth that the Church has always taught. I am very sorry that Steven Woodford attacked you, and that he was so smugly confident as he recited falsehoods about Catholic teachings. You did a fine job rebutting him, without calling him names -- oh, no, I take that back -- you did call him an "apologist." God bless you and yours.
@TheCounselofTrent
19 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comment! -Vanessa
Guys, remember... just because someone has a cool English accent, doesn't mean they are smart or honest. Case in point.
@theradiantknight9771
19 күн бұрын
It’s a pretty low tier English accent, as far as English accents go tbh
Ironic that he talks about freedom when he's from the UK.
@littleboots9800
19 күн бұрын
At least they're not trying to imprison political opponents in order to manipulate elections.
Liked watching Stephen thru the years. He's intelligent, sincere & dedicated, albeit wrong. He, Alex O'Connor & Drew (GMS) are my favorite yt atheist apologists because they're sincerely examining truth using reason & logic. Sometimes their presuppositions trip up their logic as does their passion in defense of their core values, but they're using the same tools from the same toolkit as we all do. It's just that they're using a hammer to remove a screw. Catholics use a screwdriver. Welcome back, Trent. Missed you. You're always in my morning prayers. 🌹🙏
@Frug4l
19 күн бұрын
Problem with him using a hammer is the screw is already driven into the wood, dude couldn't even keep up with the Pope's releases on blessings.
@Si_Mondo
19 күн бұрын
He's not sincere.... watch his discussion with Carl Benjamin about British politics.
@future-ui2be
2 күн бұрын
I cannot imagine thinking that RR is sincere. Maybe you mean sincerely biased.
The new set. The editing , gangster Pope.... chefs kiss
@thomaswest-tv
18 күн бұрын
You see me.
Good to see you back Trent. Your studio looks great!
I really enjoy the channel glow-up, and I think it was the right move. Saying that, I am going to miss the simplicity of the previous images and photos, some had a level of authenticity and humility that felt like fresh air. I'm sure this next stage will also be spectacular! And more so because the content never fails to deliver :) 🎉
@TheCounselofTrent
16 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! -Vanessa
A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a donkey.
@EnglishLock
19 күн бұрын
It's important to be charitable i reccomend you watching Jordan B Cooper video on name calling and the culture war.
@tacticalinsanity7375
19 күн бұрын
@@EnglishLock My remark is not uncharitable. Its an old fable, look it up. The lion, tiger and donkey.
These are exactly the rebuttals I was thinking of when watching RR's video. His whole skit either doesn't apply, or if it does he concedes something he would never concede if we agreed. By his logic, if we stop "being homophobic/transphobic" he'll have to stop "being christphobic" and believe Christ is the risen Lord. This is obviously silly and of course he would think so as well but its weird how they seem to make exceptions to logic when it comes to LGBT issues and feelings are involved.
Excellent! Been eagerly awaiting new content.
Holy cow, great lighting and set!!
Good work Trent. The dichotomy between you two is striking and you did a very good job at showing all of the venom and bias oozing through his facade. Also, the camera and set look amazing!
Oh no not bigotry, destroyet of worlds.
@stcolreplover
19 күн бұрын
Ahahahah
@kyrptonite1825
17 күн бұрын
Not bigotry 😱😱🤯
@purple-69-
12 күн бұрын
Christian humour never fails to be lame
@stcolreplover
12 күн бұрын
@@purple-69- cope harder
@purple-69-
12 күн бұрын
@@stcolreplover acting like 12 year old? Proll u are tbh
Trent, the quality of this video is amazing! Keep up the good work!
The video quality looks great Mr. Horn!
One side cares more about what they are called that the other side.
Funny how Steven tries to school Trent on what the Catholic church teaches, LOL!
Great Video again Trent! Also, love the new setup!
The studio is looking beautiful ❤. May God bless and keep this channel