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@ghazire18892 жыл бұрын
Wow the Refs were even way tougher back then
@jessemiller4970
2 жыл бұрын
facts
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
Everything was tougher back then. Including this world 🌎
@poeschl21
2 жыл бұрын
@@landrewilkinson7993 right. Cause the average baller would start in today's league? I admit that there were a bunch of talentless thugs in the previous NBA but today a center actually has talent. Has to shoot a free throw or an open 3. Stop. Your gray hair is showing.
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
@@poeschl21 Are you saying Abdul Jabbar,Wilt Chamberlain,Willis Reed Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing those guy's were talentless thugs 🤔
@thereal7937
2 жыл бұрын
@@landrewilkinson7993 maybe 15% of players from that era would make it
@LVSkinny2 жыл бұрын
The refs was gettting in players faces and putting their hands around people throat. Shit made me feel like fightin 😭
@chrishandsome4267
2 жыл бұрын
Good ole days
@TheRealAmerican12
2 жыл бұрын
maybe that’s what we miss the most gangsta refs
@CDiesel720
2 жыл бұрын
Word
@wesleyearldavis503
2 жыл бұрын
Larry Johnson would have knocked out Charles Oakley
@keysd31
2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleyearldavis503 he wanted no smoke with LJ
@mts63763 жыл бұрын
Look at the Alonzo Mouring , Oakley , Larry Johson , Mason , Ewing....90's iron man !
@elohim77
3 жыл бұрын
Real NBA not that today's trash
@sswhittiertks757
3 жыл бұрын
Brakley,shaq,jordan,rodman,mutombo and many more
@waynemartin5730
3 жыл бұрын
Mourning😂😂😂 yea right
@RS-rd7dm
2 жыл бұрын
@@waynemartin5730 Man for real! How did Mourning make THAT list?
@RS-rd7dm
2 жыл бұрын
90s " IRON WHAT? " The Iron men where in the 60s, 70s & early to mid 80s. From there it was fake tough guys protected by soft rules and mindless thugs.
@peejaythegreat17042 жыл бұрын
Old school refs were different ‼️😂 He choked Larry Johnson 😂😂😂
@6oweLA
Жыл бұрын
No he didn’t lmfao making up shit
@lol-kirkmiller3606
Жыл бұрын
he really did though! lol
@godhatesesau2 жыл бұрын
Basketball today is hard to watch. 80s 90s cant get no better
@PhyuckYew3 жыл бұрын
Back in the days when driving to the rim could land you in the injured list.
@joe-joejones180
2 жыл бұрын
The “No Lay Up” rule was in full effect back then 😂
@mikeillgaming4224
2 жыл бұрын
But they would just get up and shake it off
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
Earl Monroe said their called the Chicago Stadium Blood Alley.
@blondydred7944
2 жыл бұрын
Right
@Jcfootballer1
2 жыл бұрын
This literally happens in the streets all the time.
@user-th8qe4os2sАй бұрын
Johnson, Oakley, Barkley, Mason, Kemp, Malone, Baker, Rodman, Williams, Coleman. The golden era of power forwards
@desireedurant20
4 күн бұрын
Davis boys also...
@MrAaronolivo2 жыл бұрын
LJ was so quick before his back injury, but he was clutch for the Knicks anyway.
@makula5543
2 жыл бұрын
LJ was an awful defensive player
@PABrezeTv
2 жыл бұрын
@@makula5543 leave Grand mama alone
@fasthandsmittenz7661
2 жыл бұрын
TRUTH.
@christophersuswal9544
2 жыл бұрын
Lol he was straight garbage in NY. Anthony Mason was way better in Charlotte
@robertberahovich6747
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that injury hurt him big time.
@MrAaronolivo2 жыл бұрын
Man, this channel always makes me stay up to late. As a Knicks fan, We loved Oakley. We were disappointed when he was traded. Camby was too delicate.
@michaelguadalupe17062 жыл бұрын
I see that a lot of dudes on here don’t remember Kevin Willis. He’d give Oakley the business
@Sjl2
Жыл бұрын
They banged, it was mutual respect! I remember...
@ksingh06
Жыл бұрын
Brah, they tryna advice him to stay calm you already got 1 tech.
@segon4147
Жыл бұрын
Kevin Willis and Rick Mahorn... From the highlights I saw, Oakley didn't want to mess with either of them....
@anthonymartucci4208
2 ай бұрын
@@segon4147Oak chased after Mahorn
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
@@anthonymartucci4208word lol😂 Willis & especially were super tough dudes but Oak never backed down…literally ever
@antoniowofford8422 жыл бұрын
Man even the refs was on that gangsta shit😂😂😂
@yungtwun
2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ericbutler9233
2 жыл бұрын
😬
@jaybrown7811
9 ай бұрын
Jus tryna get him to calm down cuz he could've gotten a technical
@aarontate8656
4 ай бұрын
Because they was funded by the mob
@Dakid4rmdade2 жыл бұрын
Watching this gave me goosebumps! I miss the old school nba games
@musicman99143 жыл бұрын
Great time to be a NBA fan
@dwillwilliams12402 жыл бұрын
Oakley met his match with LJ and I love Oak
@DetroitIfa
2 жыл бұрын
And he didn’t want NONE of Kevin Willis
@dwillwilliams1240
2 жыл бұрын
@@DetroitIfa lol 😂
@Cream-2128
2 жыл бұрын
I mean his own teammate Xavier McDaniels put him in his place too. Oakley was an act
@davidreed9615
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Oakley was super tough, but LJ was a tank. (Mason was also a tank). I used to hate the thug teams like Detroit and Pat Riley's Knicks, but I miss the old NBA. I'd welcome them back if we could get the same kind of sport back.
@soramirez5473
2 жыл бұрын
na oak went right up to johnson.. I watched that entire series. Oakley and Mason were far more physical, and Mourning was the one having the great series.. LJ had like one good game.. you something wrong there..
@jugganuat64402 жыл бұрын
I love it back in the day when a guy is injured play continues until the next dead ball. The physicality of the league was part why it was so enjoyable
@ShawnMichaelVincentIngram2 жыл бұрын
These were the days when I actually watched basketball 🏀. These guys were straight up old school tough: physical, rugged, no nonsense basketball athletes 🏀.
@tymartin2293
2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me that feels like they played harder, physical yet didn't miss a lot of games back in the day? In today's game they miss the whole damn season from a hang nail... I could be wrong but I don't remember the stars nor role players missing a lot of time bc of injuries
@chrishandsome4267
2 жыл бұрын
@@tymartin2293 definitely not just you
@gscruzseven
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%
@ShawnMichaelVincentIngram
2 жыл бұрын
@Ty Martin although I agree with you 💯, but MJ (Michael Jordan) suffered a season ending foot or ankle injury in his second or third year in the NBA. Yeah, they played through injury more often than these cats do in this generation, and got paid way less. Yet, their still living souls like the many of us: they suffered some really painful season, even career ending injuries too. Another example, Larry Bird and his severe back problem or issue that literally chased him out of the NBA. Had LB not had that issue he would've been playing more into the early 90's before retiring. Plus, the nature of the man back in the day was that of men, not that of a bunch of soft and sensitive "I'm offended" or "triggered" pansies. Even, young men from that period in time such as the 70's, 80's, and early 90's who grew up with or without a father in the home, still were way tougher than this generation of young men and women who are being raised in the same manner. But I digress. Moreover, there use to be community within the people which looked out for the community of children and one another, and taught us the ropes of life. Now, I wouldn't dare leave my children on the steps of my crib for a few minutes without having an unsettling feeling in my spirit that someone will intentionally do them harm. The way things used to be changed because of the so-called "powers that be" indoctrinated the people through steady programing via the propagation of immorality and depravity to make the men and women in this society to appear weak, incompetent, ignorant, toxic, etc. for the feminist, homosexual, racial, and political movement towards a more evil and darker agenda. Again, I digress.
@Juice_lamar
9 ай бұрын
That’s not basketball that’s why players today are a lot better, fighting and being tough isn’t a basketball skill only people who can’t play say bs like this, change the sport to football
@legend18492 жыл бұрын
Referees were even aggressive back in the days..🤣🤣🤣 ref almost grabbed LJ around the throat
@DK909993 жыл бұрын
If Oakley plays in today's league he would be the first to get ejected 3 times in one game. LOL
@pomerlain89243 жыл бұрын
7:21 Grown man league right here. Dude is writhing in pain, and the play goes on. That happens to one of these one-and-dones today, the entire medical staff is called out, the offending player receives a flagrant foul and prison time, and James Harden gets 10 free throws.
@MrAaronolivo
2 жыл бұрын
for real.
@easy8325
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.Only the strong could survive back then.
@mikewilkins2030
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 the change must be because of CTE! Lol
@peterherrera7566
2 жыл бұрын
"Harden gets 10 free throws." LOL!
@davidreed9615
2 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! I wish I could give you an award for that comment.
@8countsports3 жыл бұрын
Great Ref at 0:28, didn't give LJ the technical knowing that he already had one🔥🔥🔥🔥
@8countsports
3 жыл бұрын
@Juan Perez no, not throwing a star player out of a playoff game is great refereeing.
@8countsports
3 жыл бұрын
@Juan Perez ? The issue is the technical foul, which is based on a Referee's discretion unlike a foul call or traveling. If two players get in an argument it's up to the referee to determine whether it's a tech or not, and in my opinion it was the right call based on the importance of the situation.
@travisitio
3 жыл бұрын
@@8countsports I don't know about that one. If they can let that go, then a guy can drive to the hole and get hammered and the refs can not call it. Which actually they do 😂. So really it's all at the discretion of the ref unless it's blatantly obvious
@stevenandrade73493 жыл бұрын
When the refs holds onto Grandmama like that you know they got money on the game
@D_Mashups
3 жыл бұрын
They definitely did lol
@_Game0ver_
2 жыл бұрын
Bennett "brought the crowd down" Salvatore.
@XX-jh2or
2 жыл бұрын
Back then they broke up fights and talked to the players before throwing them out. Not like today where they get tossed for breathing.
@King-pm5yv
2 жыл бұрын
🤣💯🤣
@HopePushaFilms
2 жыл бұрын
That’s all I thought! Lol 💯💯
@vagabon51303 жыл бұрын
i gotta give it to oakley, he knows how to play those mind games. he's laughing practically everytime the opposing player gets upset.
@Scott-px6mi
2 жыл бұрын
He is a punk. Oak,only picks with people smaller than him. Hell….Even Steve Smith got in his shit.
@davidrice3337
2 жыл бұрын
he was hilarious - hell he can't help it if most are smaller
@Rkees5
2 жыл бұрын
@@Scott-px6mi yea notice it was Larry Johnson initiating most of the conflict, Oakley walked away, he knew who to mess with, which is why he's probably right about Barkley being soft, because he went right at him
@spitshinetommy3721
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rkees5 Barkley fought with fucking everyone LMAO. Oakley is just salty that Barkley owned his ass on court while taking none of his shit.
@uncletony6210
7 ай бұрын
had to because he had no game.
@robertoswald4861 Жыл бұрын
Oakley always in the middle of something… ❤ it.
@e.double5632 жыл бұрын
Pippen was terrified of Oakley. God I miss the good ol days. 😪
@alfredooliva5175
Жыл бұрын
He was not terrified they were former teammates and good friends pippen just liked antagonizing Oak
@alexedwards2809
Жыл бұрын
No he wasn't they was good friend
@brocklanders92592 жыл бұрын
When your whole game is based on being a tough guy, you will have up and coming tough guys test you every single year.
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
exactly. People act like oakley is some legend who could play basketball. He was just a dog. Tough. He couldn’t plAy and is not a legend.
@benjaminatkins6118
8 ай бұрын
Averaged almost career double double, with 35 Pt. Game high and 26 pt. playoff high. Also 80% for FT with ALOT of trees. Developed a very solid 15 ft J. He’s far from Giannis but the man could ball
@poker32767 ай бұрын
Man, 90's Knicks are jacked af.
@elohim773 жыл бұрын
Real man, Back then there was not eye contact with the referee during the scuffle. It was all personal... Bs NBA now at days
@bbryant94552 жыл бұрын
Harden would get rocked during this era lol
@larryburks5922 жыл бұрын
Players in this era are spoiled with the spacing on the floor.
@ngarci80404 ай бұрын
Even 90’s Refs were Hard core…!!!
@MrCancer1965 Жыл бұрын
Larry Johnson & Charles Okaley had some heated moments when Johnson played for the Hornets then they became teammates and had each other's backs. Good Times back then when NBA was fun to watch, nice footage.
@neosupreme79712 жыл бұрын
Current era is like watching fruity pebbles on the court.
@taurusl70142 жыл бұрын
When the NBA had real men and tough refs.
@zeroch1ll150
8 ай бұрын
Jordan changed that, he kept whining to the commissioner, then the Jordan rules came about, now the whole league has those rules. Jordan changed the game.
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
huh? The league started turning “soft” and rules started changing to promote more offense. It’s generally accepted that the 04 was season 1 of the league getting soft…Jordan was retired by then.
@jorgecampos312 жыл бұрын
Can yall imagine LeBrons crying ass in the 90s? Lol
@hughjass8383
9 ай бұрын
And I can imagine KD dominating in this era
@bryana2972 жыл бұрын
Man these games were hype. The crowds were blue collar cuz tickets were cheaper. Loud and rowdy games back then
@CDiesel7202 жыл бұрын
If you want to see the biggest difference between todays NBA player, and the players of the 90's...just look at the body type of the front court players. Everyone was muscled up. You couldn't play in the paint as a 220 lb big man and survive.
@jondroll3 жыл бұрын
Charles Oakley doesn’t want none of Johnson.
@arizonaFIREent
3 жыл бұрын
I don't care how tough Oakley looked he was always be a fake tough guy
@bobbyscarfo2544
3 жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct. Oakley was a beast but notice he didn't want anything to do with Larry. Hungout with LJ 3 years ago in Atlantic City.... talked basketball for an hour and we talked more college then NBA due to the fact that I lived in Vegas during his time at UNLV. Very cool dude.... took many photos and he personally signed a UNLV #4 jersey for me. I'm still depressed over that semifinal loss to Duke..... and it still haunts him.
@tttttttttttttttt5634
3 жыл бұрын
@@arizonaFIREent Oak wasnt a fake tough guy...he was the real deal...BUT LJ wouldve laid him out...LJ was a GOOD boxer before the NBA
@jpolo7723
2 жыл бұрын
@@tttttttttttttttt5634 LJ boxed and trained with police at the Police Academy but there is no record of him being a GOOD boxer. C'mon son stop it. He missed every swing he took against the ocky Mourning
@dreny07
2 жыл бұрын
NONE lol
@paymyself1st4302 жыл бұрын
This is when u had a team of five on the floor that operated from five different strategies if you think about it that’s genius chemistry
@kaurincrni7185
Жыл бұрын
And now we have 5 players who make 50 3pt shots a game
@sgtslaughter5732 жыл бұрын
I love this video look how the refs actually control the ruckus instead of blowing whistles
@ChargersCity
4 ай бұрын
🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever❤❤
@RubbinRobbin3 жыл бұрын
The refs were there to pull them off and to keep it civil without disturbing the flow.
@monolithgeometry3221
Жыл бұрын
The refs was part of the NBA fam family
@jamelledwards1162 жыл бұрын
Oakley gave his heart and soul to the Knicks
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
Oakley is a scrub
@jamelledwards116
2 жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 Never
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamelledwards116 Dude. with the exception of Patrick Ewing, that entire mid 90’s Knicks team sucked. They were just a team full of dawgs. Tough. Tough. They couldn’t play basketball. Ewing had no help. At some point you have to be good basketball players. ThTs why the rockets destroyed them in the finals. That knicks team was just a bunch of barking dogs (except Ewing).
@jamelledwards116
2 жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 Your A Young One!!!
@anthonymcken6050
Жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 And Oakley had the audacity to say on Vlad TV that Ewing held the team back. Oakley should be thankful that he even had a career in the NBA if he around now he'd be working as security as the MSG rather than playing there.
Great content!! I miss REAL basketball!! The league is SOFT nowadays with crappy rules and even crappier refs!!
@nathanielemmons192413 күн бұрын
To see Larry and Alonzo rally together against oak tree just put a smile on my face 😅
@davidbuck24992 жыл бұрын
Aw I love those oldschool ref's 🙏🏽
@uppersouthside74307 ай бұрын
Oakley was a savage he wasn’t gon let u score on him. a lot of these new players wouldn’t last in this era
@mikesaunders94932 жыл бұрын
That first play with LJ would’ve been an automatic tech with these new generation of refs. Todays referees have egos like players smh lol
@jonathaneagle35548 ай бұрын
just imagining Mj playing ball against such rough defenders is insane.. the knicks.. the pistons.. the heat teams..Lol .. and still Mj was a killa
@kenjones2181
8 ай бұрын
And they still will say his competition was weak 🤦🏽♂️
@dmcintosh851
6 ай бұрын
You can say the East made Jordan. Add Boston, Atlanta, and later, Indiana to that list.@@kenjones2181
@Aubknowball17
5 ай бұрын
@@kenjones2181I mean his 72-10 bulls team had the worst strength of schedule in the league lol so it’s valid, Knicks was nothing special , he had a losing record to pistons in playoffs, the Miami heat ? Be fr handful of teams in bottom of NBA destroying them right now
@kenjones2181
5 ай бұрын
@@Aubknowball17 stay away from drugs fr dude the 90s knicks were weak? And you bringing up the pistons of course he was losing to them he was the only real star on that team Scottie was not great yet and Horace hadn’t reached his full potential and ain’t no bottom of the nba of today’s team beating the east teams he was facing in the Playoffs back then be fr.
@kenjones2181
5 ай бұрын
@@Aubknowball17 why you bringing up the Miami Heat? he beat them in the playoffs
@WhenOne8Becomes2Zeroes2 жыл бұрын
I loved that Hornets team, shame Zo and LJ ended up hating each other... Mourning still my fav player of all time 💪
@omarxdaprodigy2 жыл бұрын
Bruh I don't not want no Charles Oakley, Larry Johnson, Alonzo Morning, Anthony Mason, Rodney Rodgers or Dennis Rodman rushing at me lol
@TheTwinkiefoot2 жыл бұрын
I kinda feel like Charles Oakley's entire career and post-career was nothing but heated moments. I got love for you though Uncle Oak!
@stevenkoudanis52382 жыл бұрын
Larry Johnson was jacked as hell on the Hornets
@rickjames47863 жыл бұрын
Oakley knows who to go at and who not to go at lol
@coachjohnson5050
2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 You obviously don't know anything about LJ. Charles Oakley knew better than to try that tough guy shit with Larry.
@soramirez5473
2 жыл бұрын
@@coachjohnson5050 you crazy. he got in LJ's face.. Lj pushed OAK, then Mason intervened, game over.
@beargrylls235 Жыл бұрын
Oak never had impressive stats but ppl underestimate things he brought to teams you can not put in numbers
@daimonmarioperez95012 жыл бұрын
Man those were the days !!!
@Ometecuhtli Жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever seen "rare" and "Charles Oakley Heated Moments" together in my life
@danielisrael13572 жыл бұрын
THE LEGENDARY CHARLES OAKLEY THE ENFORCER
@user-tk7km1sr7e Жыл бұрын
Those days of having an enforcer like Oakley are gone and never to return. Now all the glamour is shooting threes.
@aaronwhite14812 жыл бұрын
The thing is ... no one was afraid of Oakley... he is tougher now than as a player
@terryjones662
2 жыл бұрын
That's because everyone back then was ready to fight too...lol
@stevecowder4774 Жыл бұрын
Back in the 90s, It seemed as though the Knicks were heated rivals with virtually everyone in the NBA. But I especially remember their bitterness with Miami.
@derekwinkler741415 күн бұрын
LOL Prime LJ Larry Johnson was a absolute Beast. Built more like a Football player or Professional Boxer. Them big wide shoulders and long arms possed alot of power i guarantee it.
@urb4nviking2193 жыл бұрын
Miss watching ball that wasn't woke......Those were the good ole days!
@sqquinn8190 Жыл бұрын
good job on balancing the audio
@ChargersCity
4 ай бұрын
🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever😊
@safariamaniupendo33 жыл бұрын
Oak was one of the coolest players I’ve met
@wynntonterrace96152 жыл бұрын
Even the coaches were tougher back then lol
@ChecksLikeNike4 күн бұрын
Bruh this man got 10 minutes of heated moments
@bballvault
4 күн бұрын
I have an hour long video of Oakley heated on this channel too
@omarmccoy84422 жыл бұрын
I would pay top Dollar to see that fight! Larry vs Charles.
@DeAndre19702 жыл бұрын
The era of real basketball….unlike now when you get foul called just for looking at someone.
@monolithgeometry3221
Жыл бұрын
And it's all because them two idiots ran into the stands to beat on them fans. Consequences of that ruined the game
@elitepyrohd
8 ай бұрын
Yeah no talent goons was “real basketball”…. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Bigbot972 жыл бұрын
It was just a different breed of ball back in the day.
@cultfilmvideo69362 жыл бұрын
And that's the Inside Stuff!
@eb58572 жыл бұрын
I live in Charlotte North Carolina these were the good old days back in the '90s.
@davemccue9229 Жыл бұрын
Oakley was the ultimate warrior back then.
@neferkwi792015 күн бұрын
Do you have Kevin Williams St. John’s vs Georgetown. The incident between Patrick Ewing?
@bballvault
14 күн бұрын
No I never heard of that altercation I wish I did
@neferkwi7920
9 күн бұрын
@@bballvault there's footage if you search 🔎
@King-pm5yv2 жыл бұрын
That was Awesome b-ball back in the day I thought they changed it so players wouldn't get hurt,but players still get hurt today with out the rough theatrics,but it was still good for b-ball✌🏾
@90sBullsFan Жыл бұрын
That knick hornets series was intense asf.. I ll never forget this..
@edjehesh19632 жыл бұрын
In 10 yrs can’t wait to see your BOBBY Portis heated vid!
@jesnyc1462 жыл бұрын
Love these Knicks, but DAMN, they used to struggle just to score 85 a night. That shit was like WWE
@aaronmurray29454 ай бұрын
Between Oak and Mason....nobody really wanted to start beef with the Knicks!
@kevineaddy12483 жыл бұрын
Oakley was my man but he didn't want no smoke from LJ even though they wound up teammates theses were the grown era of the NBA
@SwaggerLikeUz
3 жыл бұрын
LJ was scary tho at times. Never seen Oakley scared, ever.
@MrJbee73
2 жыл бұрын
Or Kevin Willis
@yaweh07
2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 no..LJ was a boxer. Oakley didn't want that.
@jamieberry73992 жыл бұрын
Back when grown men played.
@jaahnnn2 жыл бұрын
I never realized how much of a badass Steve Smith was back then
@jasonwolfe32522 жыл бұрын
Whenever players are asked who was a real tough guy they played against Oakley's name always comes up. Zach Randolph is the other.
@tvtechwonv278 ай бұрын
Charles Oakley listed at 6’9. Watched him over 10 years and I never saw him dunk a basketball. 2” vertical 😂
@seanwright8786
7 ай бұрын
He didn't have to dunk the ball. In NYC when we read the stats the next day, Oak had 15 rebounds and 11 points. He had a different job than most players. We loved him NYC. Trust and believe.
@inspiredtorhyme2 жыл бұрын
Bruh. That last clip with Horace grant trying to fix his goggles...😅. I hate the way the Knicks used to bully my Bulls but it was necessary.
@WindowSeat842 жыл бұрын
Oakley wanted no smoke with LJ!
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
Because he got pushed with his back turned on a player who, if he gets a tech, is thrown out? Seems smart to me, and you have literally dozens of other games where he didn’t “walk away”
@raylynch74122 жыл бұрын
Larry was a Beast! Be4 the Back injuries.
@markbrenes51892 жыл бұрын
I miss these teams , I miss these players & I miss this era of basketball 🏀 !
@mrshawterry62 жыл бұрын
Oakley was something else , and slick to , He start something then start pointing at the other guy trying to get him throwed straight out and he be the one who started it. If was all about winning , his career is over and one of the nicest guys.
@bigal10242 жыл бұрын
Back when NBA players weren’t babies
@JPLMONEY233 жыл бұрын
So it ended up a good trade for Cartwright after all.
@patrickoakley7890
3 жыл бұрын
Mike was actually really pissed off at Bulls management for trading Oak.
@JPLMONEY23
3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickoakley7890 me too, I remembered.....Oak was always protecting MJ.
@TonybandzOtd6 ай бұрын
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@jaxjr1212 жыл бұрын
No parts of LJ??🤔🤔
@javieralba511623 күн бұрын
My gosh, even the refs were gangstas in those days...The good old days.
@n_tha_middlew.6742 жыл бұрын
I love how the refs back then were real men who weren’t wussies when it came to standing up to an nba player and letting them know what the deal is 😁, unlike today’s refs😒
@tytinanium2 жыл бұрын
Now that was the Knicks I remember.....
@ctwwtc87612 жыл бұрын
Oak and LJ became hell of a teammates down the road
@shthead21062 жыл бұрын
These refs were fearless😂
@kc64422 жыл бұрын
Ben salvatore lookin like, "Steve Martin!" Lol. Classic 👀
@devinkirkland23742 жыл бұрын
It’s funny seeing him and Pippen Ho at each other because you know how much they loved each other. It was like a big brother roughing up the little brother to make him tougher
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Wow the Refs were even way tougher back then
@jessemiller4970
2 жыл бұрын
facts
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
Everything was tougher back then. Including this world 🌎
@poeschl21
2 жыл бұрын
@@landrewilkinson7993 right. Cause the average baller would start in today's league? I admit that there were a bunch of talentless thugs in the previous NBA but today a center actually has talent. Has to shoot a free throw or an open 3. Stop. Your gray hair is showing.
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
@@poeschl21 Are you saying Abdul Jabbar,Wilt Chamberlain,Willis Reed Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing those guy's were talentless thugs 🤔
@thereal7937
2 жыл бұрын
@@landrewilkinson7993 maybe 15% of players from that era would make it
The refs was gettting in players faces and putting their hands around people throat. Shit made me feel like fightin 😭
@chrishandsome4267
2 жыл бұрын
Good ole days
@TheRealAmerican12
2 жыл бұрын
maybe that’s what we miss the most gangsta refs
@CDiesel720
2 жыл бұрын
Word
@wesleyearldavis503
2 жыл бұрын
Larry Johnson would have knocked out Charles Oakley
@keysd31
2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleyearldavis503 he wanted no smoke with LJ
Look at the Alonzo Mouring , Oakley , Larry Johson , Mason , Ewing....90's iron man !
@elohim77
3 жыл бұрын
Real NBA not that today's trash
@sswhittiertks757
3 жыл бұрын
Brakley,shaq,jordan,rodman,mutombo and many more
@waynemartin5730
3 жыл бұрын
Mourning😂😂😂 yea right
@RS-rd7dm
2 жыл бұрын
@@waynemartin5730 Man for real! How did Mourning make THAT list?
@RS-rd7dm
2 жыл бұрын
90s " IRON WHAT? " The Iron men where in the 60s, 70s & early to mid 80s. From there it was fake tough guys protected by soft rules and mindless thugs.
Old school refs were different ‼️😂 He choked Larry Johnson 😂😂😂
@6oweLA
Жыл бұрын
No he didn’t lmfao making up shit
@lol-kirkmiller3606
Жыл бұрын
he really did though! lol
Basketball today is hard to watch. 80s 90s cant get no better
Back in the days when driving to the rim could land you in the injured list.
@joe-joejones180
2 жыл бұрын
The “No Lay Up” rule was in full effect back then 😂
@mikeillgaming4224
2 жыл бұрын
But they would just get up and shake it off
@landrewilkinson7993
2 жыл бұрын
Earl Monroe said their called the Chicago Stadium Blood Alley.
@blondydred7944
2 жыл бұрын
Right
@Jcfootballer1
2 жыл бұрын
This literally happens in the streets all the time.
Johnson, Oakley, Barkley, Mason, Kemp, Malone, Baker, Rodman, Williams, Coleman. The golden era of power forwards
@desireedurant20
4 күн бұрын
Davis boys also...
LJ was so quick before his back injury, but he was clutch for the Knicks anyway.
@makula5543
2 жыл бұрын
LJ was an awful defensive player
@PABrezeTv
2 жыл бұрын
@@makula5543 leave Grand mama alone
@fasthandsmittenz7661
2 жыл бұрын
TRUTH.
@christophersuswal9544
2 жыл бұрын
Lol he was straight garbage in NY. Anthony Mason was way better in Charlotte
@robertberahovich6747
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that injury hurt him big time.
Man, this channel always makes me stay up to late. As a Knicks fan, We loved Oakley. We were disappointed when he was traded. Camby was too delicate.
I see that a lot of dudes on here don’t remember Kevin Willis. He’d give Oakley the business
@Sjl2
Жыл бұрын
They banged, it was mutual respect! I remember...
@ksingh06
Жыл бұрын
Brah, they tryna advice him to stay calm you already got 1 tech.
@segon4147
Жыл бұрын
Kevin Willis and Rick Mahorn... From the highlights I saw, Oakley didn't want to mess with either of them....
@anthonymartucci4208
2 ай бұрын
@@segon4147Oak chased after Mahorn
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
@@anthonymartucci4208word lol😂 Willis & especially were super tough dudes but Oak never backed down…literally ever
Man even the refs was on that gangsta shit😂😂😂
@yungtwun
2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ericbutler9233
2 жыл бұрын
😬
@jaybrown7811
9 ай бұрын
Jus tryna get him to calm down cuz he could've gotten a technical
@aarontate8656
4 ай бұрын
Because they was funded by the mob
Watching this gave me goosebumps! I miss the old school nba games
Great time to be a NBA fan
Oakley met his match with LJ and I love Oak
@DetroitIfa
2 жыл бұрын
And he didn’t want NONE of Kevin Willis
@dwillwilliams1240
2 жыл бұрын
@@DetroitIfa lol 😂
@Cream-2128
2 жыл бұрын
I mean his own teammate Xavier McDaniels put him in his place too. Oakley was an act
@davidreed9615
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Oakley was super tough, but LJ was a tank. (Mason was also a tank). I used to hate the thug teams like Detroit and Pat Riley's Knicks, but I miss the old NBA. I'd welcome them back if we could get the same kind of sport back.
@soramirez5473
2 жыл бұрын
na oak went right up to johnson.. I watched that entire series. Oakley and Mason were far more physical, and Mourning was the one having the great series.. LJ had like one good game.. you something wrong there..
I love it back in the day when a guy is injured play continues until the next dead ball. The physicality of the league was part why it was so enjoyable
These were the days when I actually watched basketball 🏀. These guys were straight up old school tough: physical, rugged, no nonsense basketball athletes 🏀.
@tymartin2293
2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me that feels like they played harder, physical yet didn't miss a lot of games back in the day? In today's game they miss the whole damn season from a hang nail... I could be wrong but I don't remember the stars nor role players missing a lot of time bc of injuries
@chrishandsome4267
2 жыл бұрын
@@tymartin2293 definitely not just you
@gscruzseven
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%
@ShawnMichaelVincentIngram
2 жыл бұрын
@Ty Martin although I agree with you 💯, but MJ (Michael Jordan) suffered a season ending foot or ankle injury in his second or third year in the NBA. Yeah, they played through injury more often than these cats do in this generation, and got paid way less. Yet, their still living souls like the many of us: they suffered some really painful season, even career ending injuries too. Another example, Larry Bird and his severe back problem or issue that literally chased him out of the NBA. Had LB not had that issue he would've been playing more into the early 90's before retiring. Plus, the nature of the man back in the day was that of men, not that of a bunch of soft and sensitive "I'm offended" or "triggered" pansies. Even, young men from that period in time such as the 70's, 80's, and early 90's who grew up with or without a father in the home, still were way tougher than this generation of young men and women who are being raised in the same manner. But I digress. Moreover, there use to be community within the people which looked out for the community of children and one another, and taught us the ropes of life. Now, I wouldn't dare leave my children on the steps of my crib for a few minutes without having an unsettling feeling in my spirit that someone will intentionally do them harm. The way things used to be changed because of the so-called "powers that be" indoctrinated the people through steady programing via the propagation of immorality and depravity to make the men and women in this society to appear weak, incompetent, ignorant, toxic, etc. for the feminist, homosexual, racial, and political movement towards a more evil and darker agenda. Again, I digress.
@Juice_lamar
9 ай бұрын
That’s not basketball that’s why players today are a lot better, fighting and being tough isn’t a basketball skill only people who can’t play say bs like this, change the sport to football
Referees were even aggressive back in the days..🤣🤣🤣 ref almost grabbed LJ around the throat
If Oakley plays in today's league he would be the first to get ejected 3 times in one game. LOL
7:21 Grown man league right here. Dude is writhing in pain, and the play goes on. That happens to one of these one-and-dones today, the entire medical staff is called out, the offending player receives a flagrant foul and prison time, and James Harden gets 10 free throws.
@MrAaronolivo
2 жыл бұрын
for real.
@easy8325
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.Only the strong could survive back then.
@mikewilkins2030
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 the change must be because of CTE! Lol
@peterherrera7566
2 жыл бұрын
"Harden gets 10 free throws." LOL!
@davidreed9615
2 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! I wish I could give you an award for that comment.
Great Ref at 0:28, didn't give LJ the technical knowing that he already had one🔥🔥🔥🔥
@8countsports
3 жыл бұрын
@Juan Perez no, not throwing a star player out of a playoff game is great refereeing.
@8countsports
3 жыл бұрын
@Juan Perez ? The issue is the technical foul, which is based on a Referee's discretion unlike a foul call or traveling. If two players get in an argument it's up to the referee to determine whether it's a tech or not, and in my opinion it was the right call based on the importance of the situation.
@travisitio
3 жыл бұрын
@@8countsports I don't know about that one. If they can let that go, then a guy can drive to the hole and get hammered and the refs can not call it. Which actually they do 😂. So really it's all at the discretion of the ref unless it's blatantly obvious
When the refs holds onto Grandmama like that you know they got money on the game
@D_Mashups
3 жыл бұрын
They definitely did lol
@_Game0ver_
2 жыл бұрын
Bennett "brought the crowd down" Salvatore.
@XX-jh2or
2 жыл бұрын
Back then they broke up fights and talked to the players before throwing them out. Not like today where they get tossed for breathing.
@King-pm5yv
2 жыл бұрын
🤣💯🤣
@HopePushaFilms
2 жыл бұрын
That’s all I thought! Lol 💯💯
i gotta give it to oakley, he knows how to play those mind games. he's laughing practically everytime the opposing player gets upset.
@Scott-px6mi
2 жыл бұрын
He is a punk. Oak,only picks with people smaller than him. Hell….Even Steve Smith got in his shit.
@davidrice3337
2 жыл бұрын
he was hilarious - hell he can't help it if most are smaller
@Rkees5
2 жыл бұрын
@@Scott-px6mi yea notice it was Larry Johnson initiating most of the conflict, Oakley walked away, he knew who to mess with, which is why he's probably right about Barkley being soft, because he went right at him
@spitshinetommy3721
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rkees5 Barkley fought with fucking everyone LMAO. Oakley is just salty that Barkley owned his ass on court while taking none of his shit.
@uncletony6210
7 ай бұрын
had to because he had no game.
Oakley always in the middle of something… ❤ it.
Pippen was terrified of Oakley. God I miss the good ol days. 😪
@alfredooliva5175
Жыл бұрын
He was not terrified they were former teammates and good friends pippen just liked antagonizing Oak
@alexedwards2809
Жыл бұрын
No he wasn't they was good friend
When your whole game is based on being a tough guy, you will have up and coming tough guys test you every single year.
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
exactly. People act like oakley is some legend who could play basketball. He was just a dog. Tough. He couldn’t plAy and is not a legend.
@benjaminatkins6118
8 ай бұрын
Averaged almost career double double, with 35 Pt. Game high and 26 pt. playoff high. Also 80% for FT with ALOT of trees. Developed a very solid 15 ft J. He’s far from Giannis but the man could ball
Man, 90's Knicks are jacked af.
Real man, Back then there was not eye contact with the referee during the scuffle. It was all personal... Bs NBA now at days
Harden would get rocked during this era lol
Players in this era are spoiled with the spacing on the floor.
Even 90’s Refs were Hard core…!!!
Larry Johnson & Charles Okaley had some heated moments when Johnson played for the Hornets then they became teammates and had each other's backs. Good Times back then when NBA was fun to watch, nice footage.
Current era is like watching fruity pebbles on the court.
When the NBA had real men and tough refs.
@zeroch1ll150
8 ай бұрын
Jordan changed that, he kept whining to the commissioner, then the Jordan rules came about, now the whole league has those rules. Jordan changed the game.
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
huh? The league started turning “soft” and rules started changing to promote more offense. It’s generally accepted that the 04 was season 1 of the league getting soft…Jordan was retired by then.
Can yall imagine LeBrons crying ass in the 90s? Lol
@hughjass8383
9 ай бұрын
And I can imagine KD dominating in this era
Man these games were hype. The crowds were blue collar cuz tickets were cheaper. Loud and rowdy games back then
If you want to see the biggest difference between todays NBA player, and the players of the 90's...just look at the body type of the front court players. Everyone was muscled up. You couldn't play in the paint as a 220 lb big man and survive.
Charles Oakley doesn’t want none of Johnson.
@arizonaFIREent
3 жыл бұрын
I don't care how tough Oakley looked he was always be a fake tough guy
@bobbyscarfo2544
3 жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct. Oakley was a beast but notice he didn't want anything to do with Larry. Hungout with LJ 3 years ago in Atlantic City.... talked basketball for an hour and we talked more college then NBA due to the fact that I lived in Vegas during his time at UNLV. Very cool dude.... took many photos and he personally signed a UNLV #4 jersey for me. I'm still depressed over that semifinal loss to Duke..... and it still haunts him.
@tttttttttttttttt5634
3 жыл бұрын
@@arizonaFIREent Oak wasnt a fake tough guy...he was the real deal...BUT LJ wouldve laid him out...LJ was a GOOD boxer before the NBA
@jpolo7723
2 жыл бұрын
@@tttttttttttttttt5634 LJ boxed and trained with police at the Police Academy but there is no record of him being a GOOD boxer. C'mon son stop it. He missed every swing he took against the ocky Mourning
@dreny07
2 жыл бұрын
NONE lol
This is when u had a team of five on the floor that operated from five different strategies if you think about it that’s genius chemistry
@kaurincrni7185
Жыл бұрын
And now we have 5 players who make 50 3pt shots a game
I love this video look how the refs actually control the ruckus instead of blowing whistles
@ChargersCity
4 ай бұрын
🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever❤❤
The refs were there to pull them off and to keep it civil without disturbing the flow.
@monolithgeometry3221
Жыл бұрын
The refs was part of the NBA fam family
Oakley gave his heart and soul to the Knicks
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
Oakley is a scrub
@jamelledwards116
2 жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 Never
@jrsmith1998
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamelledwards116 Dude. with the exception of Patrick Ewing, that entire mid 90’s Knicks team sucked. They were just a team full of dawgs. Tough. Tough. They couldn’t play basketball. Ewing had no help. At some point you have to be good basketball players. ThTs why the rockets destroyed them in the finals. That knicks team was just a bunch of barking dogs (except Ewing).
@jamelledwards116
2 жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 Your A Young One!!!
@anthonymcken6050
Жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 And Oakley had the audacity to say on Vlad TV that Ewing held the team back. Oakley should be thankful that he even had a career in the NBA if he around now he'd be working as security as the MSG rather than playing there.
Drawing foul, blocking, hooking, charging, swiping, trash talking, hugging, pushing, shouldering, grabbing, stepping over, snatching, elbowing, punching, slapping, pinning
Great content!! I miss REAL basketball!! The league is SOFT nowadays with crappy rules and even crappier refs!!
To see Larry and Alonzo rally together against oak tree just put a smile on my face 😅
Aw I love those oldschool ref's 🙏🏽
Oakley was a savage he wasn’t gon let u score on him. a lot of these new players wouldn’t last in this era
That first play with LJ would’ve been an automatic tech with these new generation of refs. Todays referees have egos like players smh lol
just imagining Mj playing ball against such rough defenders is insane.. the knicks.. the pistons.. the heat teams..Lol .. and still Mj was a killa
@kenjones2181
8 ай бұрын
And they still will say his competition was weak 🤦🏽♂️
@dmcintosh851
6 ай бұрын
You can say the East made Jordan. Add Boston, Atlanta, and later, Indiana to that list.@@kenjones2181
@Aubknowball17
5 ай бұрын
@@kenjones2181I mean his 72-10 bulls team had the worst strength of schedule in the league lol so it’s valid, Knicks was nothing special , he had a losing record to pistons in playoffs, the Miami heat ? Be fr handful of teams in bottom of NBA destroying them right now
@kenjones2181
5 ай бұрын
@@Aubknowball17 stay away from drugs fr dude the 90s knicks were weak? And you bringing up the pistons of course he was losing to them he was the only real star on that team Scottie was not great yet and Horace hadn’t reached his full potential and ain’t no bottom of the nba of today’s team beating the east teams he was facing in the Playoffs back then be fr.
@kenjones2181
5 ай бұрын
@@Aubknowball17 why you bringing up the Miami Heat? he beat them in the playoffs
I loved that Hornets team, shame Zo and LJ ended up hating each other... Mourning still my fav player of all time 💪
Bruh I don't not want no Charles Oakley, Larry Johnson, Alonzo Morning, Anthony Mason, Rodney Rodgers or Dennis Rodman rushing at me lol
I kinda feel like Charles Oakley's entire career and post-career was nothing but heated moments. I got love for you though Uncle Oak!
Larry Johnson was jacked as hell on the Hornets
Oakley knows who to go at and who not to go at lol
@coachjohnson5050
2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 You obviously don't know anything about LJ. Charles Oakley knew better than to try that tough guy shit with Larry.
@soramirez5473
2 жыл бұрын
@@coachjohnson5050 you crazy. he got in LJ's face.. Lj pushed OAK, then Mason intervened, game over.
Oak never had impressive stats but ppl underestimate things he brought to teams you can not put in numbers
Man those were the days !!!
I don't think I've ever seen "rare" and "Charles Oakley Heated Moments" together in my life
THE LEGENDARY CHARLES OAKLEY THE ENFORCER
Those days of having an enforcer like Oakley are gone and never to return. Now all the glamour is shooting threes.
The thing is ... no one was afraid of Oakley... he is tougher now than as a player
@terryjones662
2 жыл бұрын
That's because everyone back then was ready to fight too...lol
Back in the 90s, It seemed as though the Knicks were heated rivals with virtually everyone in the NBA. But I especially remember their bitterness with Miami.
LOL Prime LJ Larry Johnson was a absolute Beast. Built more like a Football player or Professional Boxer. Them big wide shoulders and long arms possed alot of power i guarantee it.
Miss watching ball that wasn't woke......Those were the good ole days!
good job on balancing the audio
@ChargersCity
4 ай бұрын
🙏🙏Blessings forever GOD loves y'all too forever tell everyone you know and don't know. Jesus loves y'all too forever. Teach everyone how to see and enjoy their blessings too forever😊
Oak was one of the coolest players I’ve met
Even the coaches were tougher back then lol
Bruh this man got 10 minutes of heated moments
@bballvault
4 күн бұрын
I have an hour long video of Oakley heated on this channel too
I would pay top Dollar to see that fight! Larry vs Charles.
The era of real basketball….unlike now when you get foul called just for looking at someone.
@monolithgeometry3221
Жыл бұрын
And it's all because them two idiots ran into the stands to beat on them fans. Consequences of that ruined the game
@elitepyrohd
8 ай бұрын
Yeah no talent goons was “real basketball”…. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was just a different breed of ball back in the day.
And that's the Inside Stuff!
I live in Charlotte North Carolina these were the good old days back in the '90s.
Oakley was the ultimate warrior back then.
Do you have Kevin Williams St. John’s vs Georgetown. The incident between Patrick Ewing?
@bballvault
14 күн бұрын
No I never heard of that altercation I wish I did
@neferkwi7920
9 күн бұрын
@@bballvault there's footage if you search 🔎
That was Awesome b-ball back in the day I thought they changed it so players wouldn't get hurt,but players still get hurt today with out the rough theatrics,but it was still good for b-ball✌🏾
That knick hornets series was intense asf.. I ll never forget this..
In 10 yrs can’t wait to see your BOBBY Portis heated vid!
Love these Knicks, but DAMN, they used to struggle just to score 85 a night. That shit was like WWE
Between Oak and Mason....nobody really wanted to start beef with the Knicks!
Oakley was my man but he didn't want no smoke from LJ even though they wound up teammates theses were the grown era of the NBA
@SwaggerLikeUz
3 жыл бұрын
LJ was scary tho at times. Never seen Oakley scared, ever.
@MrJbee73
2 жыл бұрын
Or Kevin Willis
@yaweh07
2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 no..LJ was a boxer. Oakley didn't want that.
Back when grown men played.
I never realized how much of a badass Steve Smith was back then
Whenever players are asked who was a real tough guy they played against Oakley's name always comes up. Zach Randolph is the other.
Charles Oakley listed at 6’9. Watched him over 10 years and I never saw him dunk a basketball. 2” vertical 😂
@seanwright8786
7 ай бұрын
He didn't have to dunk the ball. In NYC when we read the stats the next day, Oak had 15 rebounds and 11 points. He had a different job than most players. We loved him NYC. Trust and believe.
Bruh. That last clip with Horace grant trying to fix his goggles...😅. I hate the way the Knicks used to bully my Bulls but it was necessary.
Oakley wanted no smoke with LJ!
@jamal111
13 күн бұрын
Because he got pushed with his back turned on a player who, if he gets a tech, is thrown out? Seems smart to me, and you have literally dozens of other games where he didn’t “walk away”
Larry was a Beast! Be4 the Back injuries.
I miss these teams , I miss these players & I miss this era of basketball 🏀 !
Oakley was something else , and slick to , He start something then start pointing at the other guy trying to get him throwed straight out and he be the one who started it. If was all about winning , his career is over and one of the nicest guys.
Back when NBA players weren’t babies
So it ended up a good trade for Cartwright after all.
@patrickoakley7890
3 жыл бұрын
Mike was actually really pissed off at Bulls management for trading Oak.
@JPLMONEY23
3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickoakley7890 me too, I remembered.....Oak was always protecting MJ.
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No parts of LJ??🤔🤔
My gosh, even the refs were gangstas in those days...The good old days.
I love how the refs back then were real men who weren’t wussies when it came to standing up to an nba player and letting them know what the deal is 😁, unlike today’s refs😒
Now that was the Knicks I remember.....
Oak and LJ became hell of a teammates down the road
These refs were fearless😂
Ben salvatore lookin like, "Steve Martin!" Lol. Classic 👀
It’s funny seeing him and Pippen Ho at each other because you know how much they loved each other. It was like a big brother roughing up the little brother to make him tougher