Rapture & Faith | Atheist Experience 328
The Atheist Experience 328 2004-01-25 with Martin Wagner, Ashley Perrien, and Jeff Dee.
There is often a fundamental difference in how atheists view the world and how theists do the same, and it often comes down to the role of faith. Theists often regard faith as a virtue to be looked up to, atheists as an illogical, lazy way of making choices. But it can lead to some interesting discussions though.
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I miss Jeff Dee.
@shanehutchinson6350
5 жыл бұрын
He "rapes Jen Peeples"??? WTF
@angellawless7413
5 жыл бұрын
Enigma Trading i was with you till that last bit. Come on, man.
@grimsoncrow
5 жыл бұрын
@@enigmatrading5251 Jen could break him in half, lol.
@James-yi1vk
4 жыл бұрын
@@enigmatrading5251 come on dude. You didn't have to say that. You could have said that he just conquers her with his mighty dong.
@Ploskkky
4 жыл бұрын
@@enigmatrading5251 I strongly disagree. I miss Dee too, but his arguments are very weak here. For example the part about the miliseconds per human Jesus supposedly spent on the cross is completely pointless. He acts mostly offended and idignant as a response to almost anything. He is much better when he can control those emotions. Tracy is much more able to get through to people with her sharp intellect and probing questions. Matt has a much more in depth knowledge about christian theology and logic. Jeff had his place on the show, but he is not better than Tracy and Matt.
"I not only don't believe... I think it's nuts!" ~ Jeff Dee
@jimw5955
3 жыл бұрын
You think god is nuts...what kind of nuts..
@vinfishin2582
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimw5955 pistachio?
@beastshawnee
3 жыл бұрын
Totally the best line ever!
@ummmno3871
2 жыл бұрын
LMFAO
@Despondencymusic
2 жыл бұрын
DEEZ NUTS! 🤣
How not to be a false prophet: Keep your prophecy vague enough and never give actual dates. Then when something happens, shoehorn your prophecy to fit it.
@johnlopperman2161
5 жыл бұрын
Joe Piece of cake. 1. Write or read a book with predictions. 2. Write a follow-up book of predictions fulfilled. Simple.
@CuongNguyen-le5ic
5 жыл бұрын
Batman 2 book has everything so fit well together with Batman 1 book. All the connection, all the fulfillment and prediction. Does that sound like prediction? Seriously, if you have DECADES or CENTURY to write a book and you have all the materials from a book written before, even an idiot would get the 2nd book to fit the prediction and everything to connect to the first book.
@patientestant
5 жыл бұрын
Scientists are the new prophets. People work hard to help each other and perform more miracles than old prophets. Food and shelter are common, not scarce, but expected. All of this we should be grateful for. We should celebrate these achievements and keep working at improving even more. I don't know how people see this world as anything besides the most amazing time to be alive. Their are still lots of problems and technology can make new problems, but still are improvements for the most part. There are places that are not much harder to live than my life and life seems to always include struggles and growth.
@CuongNguyen-le5ic
5 жыл бұрын
Christianity-the belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creations from God.?
@Lili45
5 жыл бұрын
@@patientestant that's life, not miracles. The more we explore, the more we learn.
What's wacky about a man who promotes love and peace and brotherhood and turning the other cheek and threatens to cast all his enemies and non-believers into lakes of fire for all eternity?
@dw2369
5 жыл бұрын
I know a few people who are bipolar in this way.
@johnd.shultz7423
4 жыл бұрын
A cosmic version of the old carrot and stick dualism
@elouis2040
4 жыл бұрын
Not wacky at all. Lol
@petermeichan3160
3 жыл бұрын
who do you mean ??
@T800-theRealOne
27 күн бұрын
@@elouis2040 it is wacky.
This caller isn't listening, he's just waiting for his turn to preach.
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
Yes, and what sense did his '' preaching '' make ?
Jeff Dee is such a great debater.
@jpapan1
4 жыл бұрын
Dillahunty is better after time, experience etc. Can definitely see Matt's improvement year after year. But Dee seems to have had better natural debate abilities. Or not suffering fools.
I somehow missed this one. What a gem. I love listening to this kind of christian b/s. It really brightens up my day. He's right about one thing - the whole point about Christianity is faith.
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
BLIND faith .............
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
...and what is faith ? Faith is believing without evidence, so what's good about that ?
"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." (Dan Barker)
Absolutely sickening to listen to an old, grown up adult talking about fairytales..,
"Only god the father knows, not even Jesus knows." Dude, it's the SAME ENTITY!!!!
@blacksabbath1022
4 жыл бұрын
Right. When I was 5 and didn't know any better I always thought they were 2 different entities. I have never understood the whole 3 in 1 deal, still really don't. Makes it even wackier lol
@j0hnny8oy
4 жыл бұрын
3 in 1 only works with shampoo
@megamus3
4 жыл бұрын
@Kibate Jesus when he got kebabed on the cross by the soldier looked at him and gave him a wee grin and a wink.
@megamus3
4 жыл бұрын
@@blacksabbath1022 the fuckin pope doesn't even know dude.
@Arkloyd
3 жыл бұрын
Cato, the verse that says that the demigod doesn't know when the world will end, but it's father god does know is exactly what I use to show christians that the demigod is actually a demigod, and isn't the same entity as its evil father god.
Christianity is Super-wacky from beginning to end.
@mistylover2082
5 жыл бұрын
As much as gawd how and why has it always existed out of nothing as a belief system that has already always JUST HAVE!?!? And the religious say that nothing cannot create everything. While believing in a magical creator father outside of space and time that we can't see or understand or comprehend but somehow THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT the non understandable GOD is like and wants from us. 🤔😐
@ralfhaggstrom9862
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe that is why it FITS SUPER WACKY "BELIEVERS " ...................
@mistylover2082
5 жыл бұрын
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 because I farted
@johnd.shultz7423
4 жыл бұрын
What we really need to be concerned with is the coming of: The Great Rupture !
@NN-wc7dl
4 жыл бұрын
john d. shultz 👍👍👍
I'd love for rapture to come. Society will finally have progress without these lunatics loose on the street.
Hey Christians, if Jesus hasn’t showed up in more than 2000 years he might have stood you up.
@tombie8763
4 жыл бұрын
He's a horrible date.
@brucebaker810
4 жыл бұрын
He's just not that into you. Be glad. Christ on a dinner date: Yeah, so about he check. I preach Poor Is Awesome. And I practice what I preach. Also, blessed is he--or, in this case, she--who pays for my lunch. That's a through line, too. So if you just cover me, you'll have the Sure and Certain Hope of unspecified postmortem benefits.
@peteralleyman1945
3 жыл бұрын
Jesus didn't show up yet because of all these crosses. Bad memories.
@JohnVC
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but just believe. 🙏🥴
@anonymousjohnson976
Жыл бұрын
@@peteralleyman1945 : The church wants the crosses displayed, because they want people to always feel guilty.
I miss Jeff Dee on the show.
@happyone8580
3 жыл бұрын
So do I
@MacLaw3084
3 жыл бұрын
you are definitely not alone. everyone says that when rewatching old episodes.
@hecticnarcoleptic3160
2 жыл бұрын
Mee too.
@hecticnarcoleptic3160
2 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Isn'tReal Omg! I can't stand her laughter neither! She sounds like a re(forbidden word).
@secularargument5720
2 жыл бұрын
@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 the AxP now is a sideshow. It’s insufferable. And I believe dillahunty is responsible.
The atheist experience back in the good old days!
I wish the rapture would come and remove all these yahoos so we can live in peace.
@carolusrex6171
5 жыл бұрын
No shit! 👍
@canvas_125
3 жыл бұрын
A world without religion is true heaven. ✨
@WhoThisMonkey
3 жыл бұрын
@@kate-sf6lo No, when you talk to enough of them, it loses its fun factor, and more becomes an insufferable experience.
@pollypockets508
3 жыл бұрын
Don't you have friends or family who are religious? Wouldn't you miss them?
@pretzelogic2689
3 жыл бұрын
@@pollypockets508 I'd be happy. They are in a better place.
Jeff 'I not only don't believe, I think it's nuts!' Hahahahahaha. Hats off for not just hanging up.
The caller is probably a “pastor.”
These old shows are hilarious 🤣
Jeff dee is the best
Of course the world is going to end. It could be in billions of years, or before I finish ty...
@cedrichartz6426
5 жыл бұрын
Kaboommmmmmm
@fatmahhajarelias9394
5 жыл бұрын
Whacky is thinking the evidence prestented is logical
@otrondal
5 жыл бұрын
Seem like the universe expands forever. The earth is another story. It will be very hot in 2-3 billion years.
@marie-rosedaly4234
5 жыл бұрын
butt-hurting
@jilliansmith7123
5 жыл бұрын
James West: Bye. It didn't end for the rest of us. Sorry it was you, man.
I bet this guy is unaware that Revelations was almost not even put in the bible at the Council of Nicaea. And many theologians agree that Revelations was talking about the fall of Rome.
@MrKit9
5 жыл бұрын
And had more than 40 authors.
@ronstephens4125
4 жыл бұрын
before you speak of revelation know that it is revelation not revelations ron stephens
Such a shame that these three no longer host :-(
~ Christianity and all the other "religions" are so patriarchal and medieval, and it just blows the mind of anyone with a brain, or no longer brainwashed. I find these videos fascinating. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
So simple minded.
this hilarious religious BS must end
Was that Hank Hill ?
I am so embarrassed that I once believed this garbage. What's sad is people still do. I feel bad for these brainwashed people. Religion holds us back so much it's disgusting.
My mother was a very convinced believer. She taught herself Koine and biblical Hebrew to be able to get to the more direct meaning of the scriptures. I always asked her how confident was she in her sources, she wasn't amused. She would get into arguments, and I don't mean discussions, with baptist ministers about the "rapture". I always enjoyed watching from the sides as she destroyed all of their assertions. She stated that there is no proclamation in the bible for any such event.
Prometheus stole fire from the gods & gave it to humans. Result: he is chained to a rock, each day an eagle tears out his liver & eats it, each night the liver regrows, the next day the eagle returns....
@D-dai-wk5sx
4 жыл бұрын
This is more believable to me then Christianity but I don't believe anything
@Andrew_Sword
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes this sacrifice is made out of actual sacrifice.
"Who are you to demand evidence?" ...what you're talking about is authoritarianism. A couple hundred years ago a thing came along called The Enlightenment, where people decided that, instead of just taking someone's word for it, people should talk to each other and decide TOGETHER on what rules we follow and who we accept as an authority over us.
A classic line-up. I was already a fairly regular listener by this time. Good to see this clip.
The rapture kinda sounds like infinity war, Lol
@chadrasmussen6127
4 жыл бұрын
Lol love that movie
What is wacky about Jesus is that he believed illness is caused by devils. And he taught that if we don't accept him as our saviour, we will burn in Hell for ever. That's wacky.
A true believer beliefs anything. Even a rapture.
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
Yes, and among other things talking animals...
I know it’s not going to happen today
@PlayerOneUp
4 жыл бұрын
Dirk Knight lol 😆
Three of the best hosts in the history of the show.
One of the best episodes I’ve seen
If god is prescient, didn't he know what would happen in the garden of Eden? Didn't he know that Jesus would be rejected? If god loved everyone so much, why didn't he just dispense with the whole tree-of-knowledge temptation trip? He could have made Earth his wonderful place and just let it be. The whole thing is sick.
@user-gb7ji6xy5d
5 жыл бұрын
He did. That's what makes him sadistic.
@CuongNguyen-le5ic
5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention Adam and Eve are like children, they run around NAKED, no concept of right and wrong, good or evil or punishment and reward. They both are like blank paper and God is an ass who kick 1-2 years old children out of the house because they ate something left on the floor.
@kathyheitchue6069
5 жыл бұрын
No garden of Efen,nor a woman coming from a male rib. Read some science on the male first- created BS.
@letters_from_paradise
5 жыл бұрын
What I've never understood is that if they had not yet gained knowledge, how could Adam and Eve know that eating the fruit was what God had told them not to do?
If God is all knowing, why wouldn't we ask him questions?
@mistylover2082
5 жыл бұрын
Because he just can't ever forever stand it with us knowing too much about him so GOD is man in black who wipes out your memorys for knowing to much.
@pollypockets508
5 жыл бұрын
@@mistylover2082 noice
I thought the guy hanging from a tree was Tarzan.
@jimw5955
3 жыл бұрын
Tom do lee
He failed to mention the part where Jesus was here to turn family member on each other and that anyone who did not believe was to brought to him and put to death.
Jeff and Matt together are unstoppable get Jeff back
Two words here, BLIND FAITH!!
There is not one written eyewitness account of Jesus during his lifetime. Strange since he was famous at birth, because wise men expected to see the future king of Jews who was born from a virgin married mother. Every leading Christian scholar since Erasmus, five hundred years ago, has maintained that the gospels were originally written in Greek from 70 to 140 CE (Mark after the year 70, Luke about 110, Matthew about 130, and John no earlier than 140 CE). This proves that they were not written by Christ's apostles, disciples or by any of the early Christians. Others say: “There is no proof of the Gospels existing before 130 CE” Jesus is depicted as hugely popular in the gospels. Yet he is unrecorded by non-Biblical historians. Paul was the first one to write about Jesus around 60CE; but he, like everyone else, never saw Jesus. He experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. We don't even know who killed JFK, 55 years ago,how can we know what actually happened 2000 years ago, especially claims that challenge common sense and science,not to mention Logic??
@vilkoskorlich259
5 жыл бұрын
Christians say "Jesus died for you".... But also say "he rose again"...... So which is it?..
Enjoyed this one. Thanks guys.
So...Jesus had a sweet gig in heaven, but then he came to earth to be one of us (kinda) for what amounts to no time at all compared to eternity, so he can die and go back to his sweet gig in heaven...and that's a sacrifice? Give me a break.
You guys were too polite
It Was Never A Good Idea To Have 3 Hosts...
"The sacrifice" Ok but where is the sacrifice?
Faith is a good way to be wrong
This caller is about as sharp as the trans-women believer who called in to the show.
Wow live your whole life following a early science fiction novel!!!!
@andrewlockett4569
3 жыл бұрын
Ah come on! It doesn't even merit the title of science fiction. It's a pitiful shagged out fairy story at best. Most science fiction has eons more elegance and panache than that ancient soiled sewerage!!
Atheist: show the evidence. Theist: uh...no.
Love this trio
caller brainwashed to the core
What about all the other crucifixions that went on without becoming a god or the ones who went to "hell" lmao
My lawyer told me every time someone predicts the end of the world. when it doesn’t happen he get phone calls, asking if they can get their money, property back from the church. My lawyer asked, did you sign a contract and most of the time they say yes. There’s nothing you can do either way..
He gave his life You can't give your life if you get it straight back He gave his life He's still living He gave his life Arghhhh!!!!!
Love Jeff Dee!
The caller keeps wanting to speak uninterrupted but then asks them rhetorical questions and gets frustrated when they answer lol. Let me finishhh plz.
So something might happen, though we don't have proof it might happen, and you can't say it won't happen because you don't have proof that it won't happen. Sounds about right.
Look at the trees 😂
@OscillationLoop
4 жыл бұрын
plowenson “I talk to the trees; that’s why they put me away!” - Spike Milligan
@doneestoner9945
4 жыл бұрын
"I speak for the trees" - The Lorax
@brucebaker810
4 жыл бұрын
"I am Groot." -- Groot
LOL at the ol "look at the trees" argument at the end there.
I miss jeff dee 😕 Dangit !
@matthewthurmond1991
4 жыл бұрын
hes where he belong in da lake of fire
@judybash9393
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂🤷 the f is wrong with you sir?
God dropped Jesus off in a Lamborghini and picked him up in a Ferrari and then went home to both. What a sacrifice.
It's called a mute button and if used with care, it can be your best friend.
Now tell me about the love of jesus
Holy moly! 13:55 did they just predict the Greybeards from Skyrim??
Pass the ball, Jeff! Love ya!
Easy loophole: just have someone predict tomorrow is the day. Every day. It can never happen because at least one person "knew" it was tomorrow
Belief is no justification.
The world will probably come to an end...... we just don't know how many billions of years it will take. I suspect I won't still be here, although you never know what medical breakthrough might make me live forever. ;o)
It’s taken me 40 years to truly and fully understand that the claim that the most important commandment/ order or rule to keep is to worship a specific god or suffer the consequences is NOT love is NOT logical is NOT right!
It's a tale about the hero returning to save his people.
Anyone know why Jeff Dee does not be on the show anymore.
@shookreeseeree4
3 жыл бұрын
My guess is he is doing his own thing..something on computer games..
The godbot's parting shot is a pathetic failure. He didn't have time to spew out "look at the trees" as well.
It is amazing how rational thoughts and facts bounce of this caller. And at the end of the call comes the birds and the clouds but strangely not the leuchemia children!
The time on the cross is an interesting point compared to eternal torture in hell that a significant number of non-christians supposedly face. What about their suffering?
@19Adey
5 жыл бұрын
John Kessler Jesus died on the cross so that we won’t have to die for our sins and be sentenced to hell. Hell is an eternal punishment for sinners and unbelievers after they die. Jesus was sinless yet he died a sinner’s death, went to hell and defeated satan and got the keys to death and hades and resurrected proving he is God. Many early writers outside the Bible attested of the facts of Jesus life, miracles and death.
@19Adey
5 жыл бұрын
And his ressurection
@CuongNguyen-le5ic
5 жыл бұрын
@Adewanie, so God and Jesus created Hell in the first place and somehow Jesus has to die for ours sins which God created sins in the first place to bend the rules that again God created in the first place. Do you know how stupid it sounds? If God created everything in the first place, why go long around, to kill a God which unkillable to bend a rules of God to protect God's creations against the WRATH of God.
@19Adey
5 жыл бұрын
Cuong Nguyen I don’t think I understand the last part of your statement.
@CuongNguyen-le5ic
5 жыл бұрын
Christianity-the belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creations from God.?
There were other men who were younger who were sacrificed on the Roman cross also who stayed on that cross for 3 or 4 days suffering being picked at by birds barely can breathe for those three or four days before they died. In order for Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice he would have had to still be on the cross right now alive and suffering after two thousand years.
Heck with watching out for false prophets, as the caller was warning of, when he doesn't insist on any evidence for the God of those prophets that he just takes on "faith".
The Caller is nuts.
The rapture won the nba championship
Only "god the father" Knows when The Great Rapture" will happen, but how does a mere mortal x-tian or otherwise- Really Know that pronouncement is real?
Christian's should appreciate atheists for questioning religion the most. Blind faith is not virtue, it is a hindrance to seeing the truth.
@mistylover2082
5 жыл бұрын
Yoda : clouds everything the dark side does
The word. The word. The word. Lol
"Look them in the eye and call them by their first name" -- first lesson in SELLING ADVERTISING. I noticed a lot of bible thumper's have adopted it as well 😒
"not my problem" Excellent reply
Ohhhhh the mystical velocerapture is gonna get ya with his laser eyes and Jesus riding him in full drag. That would be cool to see.
Great crew...the O.G.ZZZZZ. Would love to see these guys in 2021.
He was so close lol. I can take someone who admits there's no evidence for their beliefs most of the time. This was a decent call but at the end he just throws in the "just look outside" argument. All looking outside proves is that I exist, I am seeing things, and what I'm seeing appears to be a world that appears to exist. You could probably debate all of those things except the first one too haha. Look outside, therefore Odin loves you. Look outside, therefore Santa created the universe. Look outside, therefore Tony the Frosted Flakes Tiger died for your sins. Look outside is truly one of the dumbest arguments they have.
So this was 2004. I was in junior year of high school. I'm 34 years old now. Still waiting on that rapture.
Another Christian that makes me so grateful that I have never felt for this garbage.
Jesus was god before crucifixion and god after crucifixion, where was the sacrifice?
Believer: Your Relationship with god is simply a profound and dynamic relationship with the self, with your ego. This is why god can seem so very real to you. In a sense he is real. He is you. This is why god's opinions are so very often your opinions. This is why two believers of the same religion can both claim to agree with god's opinion but not with each others. When you pray and god gives you answers you are the source of those intuitions. You are simply having a conversation with yourself and don't even realize it. This is why god can always assuage any doubts of the believer. You see, "God" knows exactly how you think because he is you. He knows your tastes, your biases and all the gaps in your logic. Therefore it follows that "he" knows what arguments you will find compelling and what mental gymnastics you are capable of to ignore any arguments to the contrary. Ironically I probably can't convince you of anything I stated above because of the very fact that it is in fact true. You are "god". The next time you hear someone preaching or waxing poetic about god, Jesus, Mohamed or Joseph Smith, change all the names and pronouns you hear them say, in your mind, so that they refer to the person speaking and trust me you will get a whole new perspective on life. This is why believers have such a strong emotional reaction whenever they encounter a non-believer. They simply misperceive the non-believers rational skepticism about the supernatural and occult as an assault on their "god" which is to say their own personal identity. There are a vast multitude of religions and superstitious beliefs in the world that espouse many mutually contradicting doctrines. Therefore they cannot all be true. but they can certainly all be false. Even if one were actually proven to be true it would still follow that human beings have a rather remarkable propensity for making up entire religions from whole cloth. I think that all religions and other supernatural beliefs are cultural phenomena of purely human making. Much of this impulse in human culture is driven by peoples existential angst, their innate and instinctive fear of death. Their own death and the death of the people they love. It can seem easier to deal with death by convincing ourselves that it is not real. "My loved one is not dead they are in the afterlife", we tell ourselves. And "Of course I will never die! that's absurd!". You all need to grow up. Embrace the suck! And make the most of the time you actually do have. You are mortal. Death is real...... Get over it. I sincerely and earnestly do not believe that gods exist. But you have each other. Perhaps that alone could bring meaning to your lives. However if you insist on believing in supernatural claims at a minimum please do us all a big favor and don't give your hard earned money to religion pimps and hucksters.
I know when I had a rupture it was the surgeon I saw I know cos I was there believe that.
how did you calculate jesus time on the cross! that’s wild
Just checking - it's 2019 , right ? Thought so .
@judybash9393
3 жыл бұрын
It's 2020, and they've gone wild
No true scotsman.
Caller wants control of YOUR life ! ..................