Rapid Prototyping RF Filters with Tape & QUCS

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A guide to simulating microstrip filters in QUCS and prototyping them with copper tape on blank FR4 sheets. These super-cheap materials are good up to a couple gigahertz, as you'll see in the video.
Following a quick real-time demonstration, I simulate and build 2 microstrip filters, a 1GHz stepped-impedance LPF, and a 10GHz end-coupled BPF.
2:05 - 1/4 wavelength stub build & tests
3:46 - Radial stub build & tests
4:18 - Stepped impedance microstrip LPF design
6:42 - Stepped impedance microstrip LPF build & tests
9:10 - Trimming the stepped impedance LPF
10:26 - Brief tutorial on synthesizing filters in QUCS
14:51 - Synthesizing a 10GHz end-coupled microstrip BPF
18:33 - 10GHz end-coupled BPF build & tests
WEBSITE POST: sebholzapfel.com/blog/rapid-p...
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  • @SidneyCritic
    @SidneyCritic6 жыл бұрын

    The big channels only give you the theory, but to actually make one and test it shows you so much more. Good work.

  • @norm1124

    @norm1124

    Ай бұрын

    Amazing demonstration!

  • @FesZElectronics
    @FesZElectronics4 ай бұрын

    Back in the day I used to make etched PCB's and used plastic tape to cover up the bits of copper that I did not want to get etched away; but I never thought of this method of adding copper tape to create traces... Great experiments and video!

  • @andrewphillip8432
    @andrewphillip84323 жыл бұрын

    This is the coolest thing I’ve seen all week thanks for sharing!

  • @campbellmorrison8540
    @campbellmorrison85402 ай бұрын

    Fascinating, Ive never done anything with RF stuff but I have seen these geometries and wondered what on earth they did. This is the best explanation Ive ever seen thank you. Way out of my territory but interesting to have a little understanding.

  • @Ghostpalace
    @Ghostpalace5 жыл бұрын

    Finally found the channel i was looking for!!!!!

  • @MasterMindmars
    @MasterMindmars3 жыл бұрын

    This is a microstrip-line. There is literature up there. I like the filter Butterworth maked with piece of metal and isolating materials, instead of RC opamps active circuits. That push Butterworth beyond, 91 years after. P E R F E C T

  • @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
    @acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE3 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed following this through. It's given me ideas!

  • @bloguetronica
    @bloguetronica4 жыл бұрын

    This video gave me some lights about PCB microwave filter design. Thanks!

  • @sdgb5363
    @sdgb5363 Жыл бұрын

    Truly awesome!! Thank you for such a great explanation! :)

  • @mohinderkaur6671
    @mohinderkaur66714 жыл бұрын

    Great tutorial! Thanks!

  • @gustavlicht9620
    @gustavlicht96202 жыл бұрын

    QUCS user interface is actually very similar to Keysight ADS. QUCS being free is great value for money :) Of course ADS/PathWave is a lot more feature complete and has an excellent support.

  • @RazorRadios
    @RazorRadios5 жыл бұрын

    Great video mate!

  • @horsthacker9990
    @horsthacker99902 ай бұрын

    Very eye opening !tnx

  • @aarushigupta9847
    @aarushigupta9847Ай бұрын

    awesome!! thanks for sharing

  • @ErikFariasdaSilvaIFPB
    @ErikFariasdaSilvaIFPB6 жыл бұрын

    Amazing video.

  • @SY6502a
    @SY6502a5 жыл бұрын

    very cool spectrum analyzer!

  • @pentachronic
    @pentachronic5 жыл бұрын

    Great tutorial and video. Do you recommend any particular books for filter design too ?

  • @yigitkrpc
    @yigitkrpc5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @alexandrpetrov1110
    @alexandrpetrov11104 жыл бұрын

    Bravo! Great!

  • @Ackrozinski
    @Ackrozinski5 жыл бұрын

    Very cool and informative piece! How do I get hold of one of those rulers you're using? Thanks!

  • @subashghimire4532
    @subashghimire45326 жыл бұрын

    great video i love it

  • @Migueldeservantes
    @Migueldeservantes6 жыл бұрын

    Well that was an incredibly interesting video, May I ask if you will be willing to show the procedure to use an spectrum analyzer to tune an Dipole Antenna to the correct match frequency? thanks in advance.

  • @TannerTech
    @TannerTech6 жыл бұрын

    Hey, do you know if I could get the Gerber files for that ruler? It looks awesome!

  • @ahmedkhalil3015

    @ahmedkhalil3015

    4 жыл бұрын

    Got a newer version from Keysight themselves

  • @omsingharjit
    @omsingharjit Жыл бұрын

    wow that is what I was struggling to Look for understanding

  • @intell2OOO
    @intell2OOOАй бұрын

    🥳 bravo!

  • @luisvidaurreta2178
    @luisvidaurreta21785 жыл бұрын

    Good video

  • @seeker4430
    @seeker44305 жыл бұрын

    Make more of these videos... You are awesome! Please don't stop... I know its been a long time. You can collaborate with Ben Eater

  • @acqurius-gx8lr
    @acqurius-gx8lr6 жыл бұрын

    great tutorial.will you please suggest a good book for microstrip filter design

  • @xrysf03
    @xrysf036 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations about the ruler and the "tape on PCB" prototyping method. Way cool. I have a note: that radial "radio stub"... you mention that it has a slightly broader bandwidth compared to the linear stub you presented a minute earlier. I believe that this "broader bandwidth" is a feature of your imprecise manufacturing, rather than of the shape in theory. Your radius (circle section) is not precise enough. (did you use a scribing compass?) If it *was* precise, I daresay its bandwidth might be on par with the linear stub, but more importantly, it should give a deeper attenuation at its center frequency - *that* I believe is what the shape is for. As the wave spreads out through the circular section, the "transmission line" gets gradually broader = lower impedance, and at its lowest, it meets the open end (infinite impedance) and, being a quarter-wave stub, it reflects that mighty impedance step into a perfect short at its narrow end.

  • @justinruth9729
    @justinruth9729 Жыл бұрын

    Pretty cool ...and simple.physics

  • @luismirandakunert3475
    @luismirandakunert34754 жыл бұрын

    Nice, have you experienced how to bulld PCB antennas? Another thing how to buy the "RF rule tool" for tuning the path length against freq? Thank you

  • @franzliszt3195
    @franzliszt31953 жыл бұрын

    Super super vid.

  • @frequencywatchers
    @frequencywatchers5 ай бұрын

    Not Microwave Frequencies,But A LOT OF Freqauencies That Are In 20 Meter Band And Belove, Like 80 ! Just Yestarday Made Filters Like That !

  • @danielmusat597
    @danielmusat5972 жыл бұрын

    The substrate material that you used is textolite, not FR4. Textolite has an ε relative of 8-11. This is where the shift in frequency comes from, I suppose.

  • @carlo_geiss
    @carlo_geiss4 жыл бұрын

    great ... thanks and greetings from north-sweden .. carlo SA2KHG

  • @greywolfblooddoom664
    @greywolfblooddoom6644 жыл бұрын

    Could you do the filters also with the plasma sputtering/coating method by applying stencils`?

  • @MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    @MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa6 жыл бұрын

    Would be interested to see if YBCO tape would work in this application

  • @omrastogi5258
    @omrastogi52586 жыл бұрын

    If we use a very nano conductive material instead of copper tape, will the the filter work?

  • @filipeterra8981
    @filipeterra89815 жыл бұрын

    great practical aproach! that's what most people are looking for. still, I don't think that board is fr4. it looks too yellow.

  • @Fake0Name
    @Fake0Name7 жыл бұрын

    The width of the trace sections is either 1m or 50m? I think you're going to need a bigger PCB! Did something drop a unit somewhere? I assume it's supposed to be mm.

  • @vk2seb

    @vk2seb

    7 жыл бұрын

    QUCS uses unitless SI prefixes in this situation, so e.g V1=1m is the same as 1mV and I=1p is the same as 1pA. I agree though that the inclusion of units would make it clearer..

  • @krisraps
    @krisraps5 ай бұрын

    Exacly How i Made My Antennas, Chopped On On VNA While They Show What I Wanted Them to Show :)

  • @ramjet4025
    @ramjet40254 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. Where Can I get one of these COOL RULERS? What is it called, can you post a link please?

  • @SkazaTV
    @SkazaTV6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting.

  • @omsingharjit
    @omsingharjit Жыл бұрын

    if soldring is not issue can we also use Al tape ?

  • @awaisahmadsiddiqi6505
    @awaisahmadsiddiqi65054 жыл бұрын

    two questions. how to use the pattern on the ruler? do we need to copy them or we can use the practically by soldering?

  • @anotherdave5107
    @anotherdave51076 жыл бұрын

    I downloaded qucs (version 0.0.19) and installed it. When I try to paste the schematic into the work window, it won't let go of the curser and keeps dropping more copy's of the the paste on the desktop every time I left click the mouse. It's like having gum stuck to your shoe!

  • @Stratix91
    @Stratix915 жыл бұрын

    niiice!

  • @rjordans
    @rjordans6 жыл бұрын

    Love the ruler! Where did you get that one?

  • @vk2seb

    @vk2seb

    6 жыл бұрын

    An awesome dude who goes by SV1AFN makes them: www.sv1afn.com/pcbruler.html

  • @osvaldonicolaslussiano2940
    @osvaldonicolaslussiano29405 жыл бұрын

    Well, this is an old video, I hope you see this messege. I want to ask you how did you change the QUCS schematic strip sizes to the shorter strips you made with de conductive tape? For example, the first inductor is 7 meters long and 1 meter wide and the lines you made are far smaller. Thanks.

  • @Sixta16

    @Sixta16

    5 жыл бұрын

    jeeeez ur ... m stands for fakin MILI, not meter...

  • @VikasVJois
    @VikasVJois6 жыл бұрын

    It would be nice if you could make a video explaining S-parameter analysis and how it differs from normal AC analysis

  • @xrysf03

    @xrysf03

    6 жыл бұрын

    You might enjoy my own noob "blog-post" of sorts on that topic... support.fccps.cz/download/adv/frr/qucs_smith/qucs_smith.html

  • @VikasVJois

    @VikasVJois

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Frantisek. Your article is very helpful to get started with using smith charts in qucs.

  • @joaquinherreros8083
    @joaquinherreros80835 жыл бұрын

    It is possible to make a Cell phone 3G signal amplifier (booster) circuit using your microstrip building technique????

  • @furkanozturk5829
    @furkanozturk58296 жыл бұрын

    I saw xkcd Up Goer Five poster on the wall

  • @andysar11
    @andysar115 жыл бұрын

    Hi how can I send you the picture of bandpass filter which I have and have few questions relating it

  • @PlatinumParkour
    @PlatinumParkour4 жыл бұрын

    where can I buy that ruler with those labels?

  • @michaelperrone3867
    @michaelperrone38679 күн бұрын

    Where'd you get that kickass ruler? I kinda want one.

  • @volkerblock
    @volkerblock4 жыл бұрын

    Very good video, I learned a lot. But tell me, can you think as fast as you talk? I have to drastically reduce the playback speed.

  • @EnergyFabricator
    @EnergyFabricator7 жыл бұрын

    I'm not very knowledgeable in this area but I have some ceramic bakelite, mica & G10 materials which you could use. Let me know if you are interested... PS - I like your channel. Subscribed!

  • @GiorgiAptsiauriX
    @GiorgiAptsiauriX4 ай бұрын

    Which tape are you using? Can you post a link? I want to buy it

  • @noisytim
    @noisytim5 жыл бұрын

    Is there a lower frequency where this stops working? Or could I make a 160m filter this way?

  • @MarianKeller

    @MarianKeller

    5 жыл бұрын

    You could probably make filters for lower frequencies this way, but they'd just get impractically huge.

  • @volkerblock
    @volkerblock4 жыл бұрын

    Sehr gutes Video, ich habe eine Menge gelernt. Aber sag mal, kannst du genau so schnel denken, wie du redest? Ich muss die Wiedergabegeschwindigkeit drastisch reduzieren.

  • @connclark2154
    @connclark21546 жыл бұрын

    you will have much better luck with FR-408 or Rogers-4003C. Also use the dielectric constant from the material data sheets

  • @Sixta16

    @Sixta16

    5 жыл бұрын

    Good luck finding and buying those.

  • @macgyver5108
    @macgyver5108 Жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing this method wouldn't be very "practical" for say a 7.0 MHz 40M band filter due to the element size would it? Unless perhaps your elements zig zagged back and forth to get the right electrical length in a more compact space?

  • @khawk7365
    @khawk73654 жыл бұрын

    What type of copper tape is this?

  • @lasithathilakarathne3205
    @lasithathilakarathne32056 күн бұрын

    How can I match a lumped element filter using microstrip filters. Is it possible. I want a steeper roll-off as in the lumped element filter.

  • @sukeshbhuvanagiri885
    @sukeshbhuvanagiri8855 жыл бұрын

    can share link where i can get fr4 sheets blank

  • @daniellukonis
    @daniellukonis6 жыл бұрын

    Careful waving that knife around :-)

  • @czorgormez
    @czorgormez6 жыл бұрын

    that pcb materials are not FR4 they are probably CEM-1 or CEM-2 type. the dielectric is unknown and not suitable for HF circuits.

  • @monroekass

    @monroekass

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@NeungView I'm assuming that the PCB doesn't have any copper layer on it. Is that right?

  • @no5x937

    @no5x937

    3 жыл бұрын

    Try Rogers pcb RO4350B, RO4450F, and RO4003 microwave materials.

  • @ser7ser7i
    @ser7ser7i3 жыл бұрын

    Do you think Aluminium tape can be used instead of Copper tape? It is hard to find copper tapes in my town.

  • @saintfather7757

    @saintfather7757

    2 жыл бұрын

    Home Depot will help you.

  • @vk6xre

    @vk6xre

    5 ай бұрын

    Loo for anti slug tape .. Copper..

  • @o_-_o
    @o_-_o6 жыл бұрын

    Where can I get that ruler?

  • @waxattakz

    @waxattakz

    5 жыл бұрын

    Seconded. Where did you get that?

  • @ckemil391
    @ckemil3917 жыл бұрын

    SEBEBEBE

  • @pa3deeghztv302

    @pa3deeghztv302

    7 жыл бұрын

    The loss on 10 ghz are the high 3/6 db the sma connectors cheap from China or good stuff Regards from sietse pa3dee I like your video.s nice video's

  • @vk2seb

    @vk2seb

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you're probably right about the SMA connectors contributing to the loss up at 10GHz, they are chinese cheapies. I'll have to do some more experiments with better ones to see exactly how much it is. Cheers :)

  • @d3stinYwOw
    @d3stinYwOw5 жыл бұрын

    Now you have Qucs-S instead of obsolete Qucs.

  • @DS-vu5yo
    @DS-vu5yo Жыл бұрын

    Dude. Where do I get that ruler??? 😂

  • @thugstatZ
    @thugstatZ6 жыл бұрын

    how do i design a microwave filter at 4 GHz center frequency?

  • @changpuak
    @changpuak4 жыл бұрын

    Your boards look like FR2. Maybe you can improve by using FR4.

  • @MrSamil1453
    @MrSamil14536 жыл бұрын

    Hi sir. From where i can get this Ruler?

  • @BASANTABHATTARAI

    @BASANTABHATTARAI

    6 жыл бұрын

    PCB ruler ->ebay

  • @daviddavidson1372

    @daviddavidson1372

    6 жыл бұрын

    i wanted to know the same thing.Thanks....

  • @BASANTABHATTARAI

    @BASANTABHATTARAI

    6 жыл бұрын

    David Davidson in ebay.. type ”pcb ruler”

  • @daviddavidson1372

    @daviddavidson1372

    6 жыл бұрын

    i did.but the rf ruler isnt there.found others and ordered 2 of those.did find the guy selling the rf one like you have here with filter patterns on it.but wasnt ebay..

  • @MarianKeller

    @MarianKeller

    5 жыл бұрын

    In case anyone is interested: www.sv1afn.com/pcbruler.html

  • @Server0750
    @Server07506 жыл бұрын

    I think your copper backside is ressanating, try a clean board :-)

  • @szmery2985
    @szmery29854 жыл бұрын

    Te 21mminut filmu jest więcej warte niż semestr przedmiotu mikrofale na PWR

  • @thefitnessinstructor8937
    @thefitnessinstructor89375 ай бұрын

    bad boys play with bad toys

  • @JohnFT3414
    @JohnFT34146 жыл бұрын

    Get rid of that old spectrum analyzer/tracking generator and get a real neteork analyzer!

  • @5Perf65mm

    @5Perf65mm

    6 жыл бұрын

    J Trager the 141t is a very easy unit to service... All discrete components

  • @xrysf03

    @xrysf03

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well Mr. Holzapfel sure doesn't look like a novice, but if this is still a hobby, I perfectly understand that spending money on a higher-end analyzer is a low priority. And if he's employed in this area, well then it's other people deciding budgets on the job, who may have their own priorities and areas of focus.

  • @AtroposLeshesis
    @AtroposLeshesis2 жыл бұрын

    Nah dude it’s you

  • @andrewandrosow4797
    @andrewandrosow47973 ай бұрын

    what is a quality factor? The rejection is not deep - I had the same result with low frequecy high voltage ceramic capacitor and piece of wire: resonance was roughly at 20MHz but bandwidth was several MHz.when I changed a capacitor to RF type (NP0) - quality factor was much increased.

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