Rant Time! Sandbagging for World Titles
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Is this a real problem? What does sandbagging look like? Where the fuck have I been? All subjects I maybe talk about in this video.
also I have an Instagram where I post about jiujitsu and animals.
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I'm like the opposite of a sandbagger....been a blue belt for 3 years and still can't win shit 🤣🤣🤣
@JT-he7fw
2 жыл бұрын
Same bro!
@profp1343
2 жыл бұрын
same here! Did we just become best friends? 😂
@Jono793
2 жыл бұрын
Same here :D
@humanityenslaved3380
2 жыл бұрын
Opposite of white belt sandbagger. Always end up losing to the winner of the whole comp every fuckin time. 2nd place everyyyy fuckiiiin tiiiiime.
@PheseantNetsuke
Жыл бұрын
@@humanityenslaved3380 for real, bro
As a dude in the old, broken dude divisions (Masters 2) I can confirm that we are not thinking that we’re on the same level as the adult competitors.
@27dforce
2 жыл бұрын
Agree! As a masters 4 that has more surgeries and injuries, I don't think I'm on anyone's level!
@Random189
2 жыл бұрын
Nope we definitely are not. We're just happy to be training and enjoying the sport.
@27dforce
2 жыл бұрын
@Sean Jackson so agree!
@jeffpendergrass9481
2 жыл бұрын
Masters 2??? LOL wait until you get to Masters 5, my brother. I wish I could roll 7 days a week, but I can do about 4 at max, which really depends on how much the younger dudes fu(% me up. LOL...
@27dforce
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffpendergrass9481 I'm with you! Masters 4 right now, but two years, I'll hit the 5 haha
I finished second at Worlds in the absolute masters 1 brown belt division 2021. I didn't start training hard until 3 years ago when I hit 30. I drive 50 minutes each way, 1 hour kickboxing, 1.5 hours bjj and 70 minutes weight lifting/cardio. It's become a second job but it gives my life meaning. I know it's not the same as winning adults but I'm proud of my accomplishments becasue of the added challenges I've had to go through. Its not my age it's my job, responsibilities and family commitments that make it hard to train and compete. Next year I'm going to fight both Masters 1 and adult, screw those young guys. I largely agree about everything although an extra year at blue doesn't seem like a big deal in the long run.
@saifibnsalah6919
Жыл бұрын
how did it go mate ?
@letstalkcaliber704
Жыл бұрын
@@saifibnsalah6919 got knocked out in quater finals of gi worlds by a questionable advantage. Sucks because I had my conditioning dialed and was just getting warmed up. Won nogi worlds in my division. Coach is making fight gi worlds for the third time in a few months before I test. Feel like a sandbagger but it's not my decision.
@Bobbyblue22
9 ай бұрын
TMI
I love your comments on the Masters division. At 32 years old, I just got my purple after training 6 years. As much as I would love to train all day everyday, that’s just not the reality for most. 4 kids under 6 and running a business makes training even 2x week feel like a challenge. I train for fun, but it sure is humbling getting lit up by kids half your age 😂
@ongobongo8333
2 жыл бұрын
they always gotta mention business lol Karen energy
@stevena8719
2 жыл бұрын
@@ongobongo8333 Just because you haven't done anything productive with your life, doesn't mean other people should feel shame for working hard. You should take some time to reflect.
@zodiac154
2 жыл бұрын
@@stevena8719 yeah leave us old dudes alone in Masters. Not trying to be world champion - just enjoying the sport!
@zodiac154
2 жыл бұрын
Damn. So it's okay to work on meta stuff even if your coach says it's incorrect. I run into this sometimes and i tend to listen to my coach. Going to not let this interfere with my growth. Thanks
@conjboi4556
2 жыл бұрын
@@ongobongo8333 chose to be bothered for what lmao
Andrew, thanks for being open about mental health. Everyone asks me where I’ve been when I haven’t train in a couple days and I always make some dumb excuse when the truth is I was just depressed and had no will to train that day. Salute Andrew 💯💯
@someguy-ty1fg
10 ай бұрын
Yeh respect! Destigmatise that bish
Andrew dude LOVE the rants, don’t worry about going on too long…. I enjoy listening to every thought man. Peace.
Glad to see you back! Most importantly it's good to see that you are taking care of yourself mentally and physically. Can't wait to see what's next in your BJJ journey.
Your rants are my obscure comfort videos. Keep them coming ❤️
Love your rants Andrew, always learn a ton!
When I first started training last year, I definitely watched more KZread videos on additional techniques which I could use in class. While as I progressed through the year I watched less and less as I felt more comfortable with the technique I had, and even more so as I started winning. However, that hunger for new stuff or the feeling of finding a new technique that helps you with a position you suck are is one of the most satisfying feelings to quench. Always stay hungry!
Always with the solid takes. Glad to see you back and that you're healing up.
💪 andrew dude huge inspiration man keep pumping these videos out love the discussion format
Would love to hear more talks about mental health/depression in regards to training. Not really talked about much and I love how open you are about it!
@elliottexplodes
2 жыл бұрын
A much avoided subject on many fronts. I agree, I would like to dig more into this topic.
@aplus1080
2 жыл бұрын
@@elliottexplodes Funny = I got into psychology because of a dude named Elliot Aronson.
@elliottexplodes
2 жыл бұрын
@@aplus1080 Even crazier... I double majored in Psychology & Sociology. Never went into clinical practice, though.
One thing I was told before returning to comps post covid was "don't be afraid of losing while when your a blue belt, even if you win it just means your as good as a bad purple belt".
@shadymilkman443
2 жыл бұрын
As a white belt, being a "bad purple belt" skill level sounds great 😃
@peteypablo09
2 жыл бұрын
Really great way of putting it. Thank you. I’m gonna tell my friends who get extra nervous before competitions
Thanks for this Andrew. I’m hurt currently, waiting on the MRI results for my right knee now. Hope to get back soon and trying to find the right moment to get back and I’ve continued training the rest body till I’m ready to get back. Excited for the rest of your journey and hope to meet you some day man!
I love these rants so much please keep them up!!!
This might be your best videos thus far! Thanks for this content.
Really enjoy these. Glad you’re back!
This is SO GOOD! I will never even be close to world championship level, but this literally makes me just want to train and compete more. You straight up say shit how it is which is awesome Andrew.
Great video & I’m glad to see you are back on your feet and doing better!
Nice!!! You're back on KZread, we've all been waiting for more from you bro🔥
Can't wait for more of these and more training footage. thanks for the video.
Dude you are my favorite sports personality ever. Please dont stop. Greetings from Greece.
Real as shitz. Take your time brother rather see you fight again when your ready. Love your stuff never watered down. Breath of fresh air from a white belt in south florida.
I missed these. Stay humble. Mad respect from PA.
We need these rants, keep on making them please
we've missed you man. real talk, didn't know all that BS with ibjjf. looking forward to see you ripping up the mats again bud 🐼 👑 💪
Great to see you back! Top of the list of people I adore without knowing personally! One thing I wonder about though. If you remove the time requirements, that seems to truly create a sandbagging issue. At the moment, nobody following the time requirements can be accused of sandbagging, but without time requirements it becomes an open question whether any winner "should" have been promoted and competed at a higher belt. And then you risk really devaluating the level and status of the lower belt titles! How about just making an exception for people who have won a world title, or other high-level competitions, such that early promotion is optional for them?
I really enjoy your breakdowns. 🧙♂️
Hey Andew that's good that you took time to recover, huge fan!
Welcome back bro !! Make more content please, we love you 💪
So good to have you back Wiltse!!
Good to see you again! You have a lot of interesting insights here. Never thought of a world champ blue belt being as good or better than the average black belt.
Epic rant! Keep it up! I'm stoked that you are healed and back training again! Also, I'm impressed with your transparency with your mental health. 1. Post more. Please. Dog training to rants to training tips. Super entertaining and informative. 2. Podcast. Agree with a few others on here. You'd kill it. Joe Rogan says stupid shit all the time and zillions keep watching. 3. Sandbagging and belts. Agree. It's egregious in BJJ and it's egregious in youth sports in general. Ego, Ego, Ego!!!! 4. Post more!
@castleincorporated
2 жыл бұрын
agree 100%
I enjoy your rants sir, thks for sharing your thoughts
And he returned when we needed him the most. And we all love you calling people out, I wanna see more scorched earth andrew
I missed you so much, Andrew!!! You look awesome brother!
Glad to see you're back
12:18 "The Belts Don't Fuckin Matter" Glad somebody finally said it!
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
I'll say it as many times as I need to. The belts are arbitrary as fuck. I have tougher rolls with super athletic blue belts then the average black belt.
hyped to see some wiltse highlights soon🚂
Great video! It's awesome you acknowledged white belts to Masters and didn't discredit anyone. It was weird not seeing you at Worlds I hope is well now.
Dude!!! I was just re-watching some of your older story/rant videos earlier today. Good to see you back.
Love the honesty!
4 the algorithm. Love you Andrew. The back control instructional dvd on fanatics is great btw.
Glad to hear you are healing. 💪❤️.
The rants are awesome.
This video was absoutely brilliant. Thank you for uploading. I had so many "fuck, he's right!" moments. 🤙
Our BOI Andrew is back!!! Missed your presence. If you are banged up take a trip to Europe and get fixed up (London?)
The king has returned!
Love you Andrew!
Man I have commented this on one of these videos before, but it's trippy how you look and talk exactly like my buddy. 😂 You guys must be long lost brothers.
My old ass Masters 3 self is counting it as the "ULTIMATE CHAMPIONSHIP OF ALL TIME EVER" 😂
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
😂 I genuinely respect the masters divisions for what they do. You guys keep younger athletes in check. I wouldn't be nearly as semi well adjusted as I am if it wasn't for the older mentor figures on the team being good role models and giving life service
@JiuJitsuGuy24
2 жыл бұрын
@@WiltseBrothers Great video as always man!!!! Competitors with fragile egos hate hearing that a 5 year Blue Belt isnt world class, but its the truth. Great use of "Meta" as well!!!! 💪💪💪💪
Nicely stated - kudos. having started in Rio, back in '86, I've seen and heard a lot of shite! There is some much-needed truth here. Listen up peeps. Thanks Andrew. Respect from 'downunder'.
Love your content and jiu jitsu, would kill for a wiltse wrestling instructional!
@BrandonElderFBTD
2 жыл бұрын
Same here!
Hope the injury recovery goes well Andrew!
Andrew you are above all this. You’re time is a resource spend it on what brings you joy or makes it better. All that stuff is noise. Focus on you.
Yay, I've missed Wiltse rant time!
I'm loving the videos Andrew! "If you don't like it, go fuck yourself." had me laughing out loud!
OSS!!!!! Glad you are ok and back!!!!!!!!!
Definitely have upped my conditioning and working out this past year as well as changed schools and it has immensely improved my results into comp. I’m deep into the rabbit hole of of the wiltse brothers jiu jitsu channel and I’m very much going to start stretching a lot more
Glad to see that you’re back. Always take the time you need to do whatever healing is necessary, whether that be physical or psychological. Since you mentioned Rafael Mendes, I’m curious if you’re willing to share how you think you might do against him? Would you ever consider visiting his school and rolling with him? I know he puts out videos of visiting black belts rolling with him and Gui at their school. Also, is everybody who trains at daisy fresh a competitor? Or do you have people who train there but don’t compete?
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
I love Rafa. I have literally done film studies on Rafa and adopted parts of my game from him. His flow is something I always wanted yo recreate for myself. I'd love to get beat up by him.
good rant glad your injuries are getting better
Andrew - great to see you back! I see the same stuff on Reddit and just kind nodded my head. You gave me a fresh perspective. What do you think of people at local/regional turnies purposely competing at a lower belt- ie known purple signs up for white belt division? Do you think it happens as much as Reddit says? Also didn’t you say that Bird lost to a rando at some local tournament before winning a big one? Anyways good stuff and really enjoy your instructional stuff!
Good stuff Andrew!
After 27 years, another video appears!
Man we're still going through lockdown up here in Canada and I feel you, when I cant train I eat like fucking shit and gain weight and get depressed. Only when I train everyday I get back the rhythm and eat right train hard and feel great. Some people wont understand that, but I really do need this to get in a healthy routine
Haha - great video. Glad you're back. Are you planning on switching up how you train? I'm sure the way you guys train (extremely hard and multiple times a day) is a great way to get good fast but probably also a good way to wear your body down fast.
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
Not really? I don't roll like a spazz, I don't drill without caution, I don't lift super heavy or with bad form, I don't overstretch. I think I'll just keep doing what I doing. Injuries accumulate when you live in a gym for almost a decade.
You make a lot of good points, man.
I can't believe it took me until now to watch all the Daisy Fresh shit on KZread. Just wanna say that you guys are a huge inspiration. I started Jits at 32 and I'm about 40 now, and sometimes it gets hard to force myself to train, but if I watch a few of your guys' videos, I become suitably pumped up to go every time. Much love!
Bro these tips are gold
You are the man Andrew
At 47 I won World's Master 4 in my division and the open which I am highly aware is not World's. However sometimes it's not the competitor choice the coach keeps them there. I finished 2nd the year before and spent 4 years in my brown belt again really not my choice. I definitely started later on life, but did see other competitors win Brown belt Masters World's 3 years in a row, he definitely should have been promoted after the first or the second. Thank you for sharing glad to see you back, we have missed seeing you.
@jamescarter5151
2 жыл бұрын
But there were so many curse words coach 😫
LOVE LOVE LOVE that you replied to today's reddit thread.
Great points, that most will not mention.
Andrew Wiltse is the man!!!
Andrew, your whole vibe is like a guy in a FPS game lobby talkin down to everyone on the team over voice chat.
thanks buddy appreciate your thoughts !
Always love your take on things. I think most people complaining are hobbyist who are a bit sour when they get beat at competition and want to claim it’s unfair. I’m mean in what other sport could a hobbyist win a world championship or be considered elite. I’m a blackbelt and am under no illusions that I would be able to win words at blue belt. It is what it is.
I agree most everything you said. It's the time you put in versus what your opponents put in. However, in your comment on the Masters' class, as a man in his mid-forties, an accomplishment there is still nothing to be taken lightly. Is it the same level as the open? No. But you hit a point where you're body can't keep up, no matter what you do (outside of PED's & HRT). I have competition blue, purple, & brown take me to task regularly. There is no ego to defend. They train more than I do. My job at this point, is to give them the best training I can, & help them succeed. If they are successful, then I was successful in my endeavor. That's all I got. Mad respect for you & the boys at PSF. Heal up. Maybe we'll meet one day in the Masters' class.
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I didn't get my point across perfectly. I appreciate the fuck out of older competitors and the calming/mentor affect they have in the gym. I think you should own your accomplishments. I think my main point is reference to masters competitors is that no one sane is comparing them to the adult divisions in terms of sheer skill or competitiveness. That doesn't mean they aren't something to be proud of
@elliottexplodes
2 жыл бұрын
@@WiltseBrothers Thank you for taking the time to break it down, and you most likely did communicate that, but as communication goes, sometimes the listening audience focuses on certain things more than others. You are correct. There are levels to this, and at times a comparison is a nonpoint. Take care, be well, train hard. Again, mad respect. You boys put me back in the game... and that's a big deal to me.
Thanks Andrew I can see where you coming from ... there’s blue belt and then there’s competition ready blue belt
I've got a lot of thoughts about this. But when it comes to alleged sandbagging, i think it has to be viewed in the context of the room. To take some Daisyfresh examples. In blue belt, you've got people like Tad Cravens, Jordan Butler, Jared Schafer (in his case, there are also age requirements to consider for promotion, I believe), Jacob Bornemann. Absolutely incredible athletes. Young men who would, in most other gyms, absolutely maul everyone in there, including the upper belts, and the instructor! Except they're not in any other gym. They're training in a room where the purple belts are also top tier competitors. Where the brown belts are the likes of like Jorge Valladarez and Jacob Couch. And we don't even need to talk about the resident black belts, who are *checks notes* Andrew Wiltse. Plus Dante Leon and Kendall Reusing stopping by regularly. i.e some of the best grapplers in the entire world! So is it really sandbagging if one room sets substantially higher standards than most of the others?
Its Just Like Boxing and other sports its all about amount of productive time put into training and sparring. That makes the difference.
Awesome video I agree with everything you said , glad you're healing up. Are there any games that help you keep you balanced or does it require the physical aspects of bjj as well?
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
No. I am an addict. My addiction is immersive video games. I literally will let my life fall apart if I am not careful. For the next... five ish months? Zero video games
You are spot on. I won a master worlds title a couple months after receiving my blue belt. Same yr won pan ams in my division and open class. 2 yrs later still a blue belt competing as purple and brown in other non IBJJF tourneys. Now when I enter an IBJJF tourney I seemed to get DQ’d in the championship matches for very suspect things. No point in trying to smash the blue belt division again. Have moved to EBI tourney rule sets and found a lot of bs has been eliminated. Seems like more competitive grapplers as well.
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Good to see you again man. In Dota 2 we call this phenomenon smurfing, intentionally competing against lower level players as a higher level player.
@goodthanksbro
2 жыл бұрын
Smurfing in BJJ would be like a brown belt competitor writing in a fake name and competing in a blue belt comp
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
This is accurate.
@EstiloInAction
2 жыл бұрын
Guilty 😔
@Jono793
2 жыл бұрын
Meregali enters brown belt again, wearing a lucha libre mask 😸
Solid Solid dude.
This was a very nice story
“If you don’t like it, go f yourself” that made me laugh
Well said.
I don’t agree with everything, but I liked a lot of what you said. More importantly, you got this old washed up black belt hyped for training so thank you!
From White to Red... every belt has a complaint about something. 😄
If you see Andrew's face and it says "ranting," you're in for a wild f'ing ride!
very interesting. would be interesting to here your thoughts on the difference between belt ranks for hobbyists (and older players)
@hermanmelville3871
2 жыл бұрын
I second this.
THANK YOU
On another episode of Andrew Rants Podcast
@WiltseBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
I say wayyyy too much stupid shit to run a podcast 😅
@doctordoolittle4042
2 жыл бұрын
@@WiltseBrothers no you don't. Not sure additional exposure online is the best thing for mental health but selfishly i very much would like a wiltse bros podcast or something like that.
As a competitor at Masters 5, I agree with this message.
So i am not crazy for trainning with a torn meniscus. Right on!
Sandbagging is actually healthy for the sport
You’re funny. Good rant. I get it. Get well.