Definitely like this format a lot better. Gives you a lot more time to go in depth with the players than trying to fit everyone in an hour

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

100%, glad you enjoyed!

Jokic needs to be 1 or we riot

@donaldf9055

Жыл бұрын

Kat is 1 are you dumb? Kat actually changed the game unlike jobum.

@VonKappallot

Жыл бұрын

Riot then

@deelak2329

Жыл бұрын

@@VonKappallot Nope, he had him at 1 so all good :)

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Never a doubt

@VonKappallot

Жыл бұрын

@@deelak2329 I ask you as both warrior, and a nba fan, how long do think you can keep me from rioting?

I'm glad we can finally stop with the "best passing big" labels with Jokic and whatever else. He's simply a top 5 offensive player ever. There are no flaws on that end and he's exceptional in every category. He's not "good for a big", he's legitimately one of the best in NBA history. His defense is also _far_ better than Embiid fans on twitter would have you believe. It's only in this era that big, bulky centers are punished by casuals for their lack of versatility.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

100% agree!

@donnellthomas7766

Жыл бұрын

Embiid is a 4 time All Defender 😭.. Wtf are you talking about? Jokic has 0. It’s that simple.

@17milimetros4

Жыл бұрын

@@donnellthomas7766 nice reading comprehension reread the last sentence lol

@donnellthomas7766

Жыл бұрын

@@17milimetros4 The point of WHAT I WAS SAYING, was Embiid fans have every rite to be that critical, the separation defensively is that obvious.

@Islandkid679

Жыл бұрын

​@donnellthomas7766 no its not lol, the separation is rim protection and that's it. Embiid gets torched on PNR, as the Celtics showed these playoffs. Jok and the Nuggets scheme covered those weakness well enough against the Wolves, Suns and Lakers. The gap on offense is massive, as Embiid can't offer much playmaking or passing when he's double teamed and relies to much on a face up post game and foul hunting, which gets exposed EVERY playoff.

Disappointed we didn't get in-depth analysis of Jokic's off-balance circus heaves against the Lakers. Okay, kidding aside, this series was a real treat to watch this week. I enjoyed watching it while having my morning coffee.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Glad you enjoyed!

Steph, Jokic, and Magic are in a class of their own when it comes to improving the efficiency of the whole team when they are on the court.

@shepardice3775

Жыл бұрын

LeBron at his peak was in that category for sure. He was so good that the Heat's offense was actually more efficient WITHOUT D Wade and with LeBron alone running the show. He is without question the best "drive and kick" and heliocentric player ever. I would say the 3 you mentioned have a higher floor for a team offense at their best (and I'd include MJ), but if you are able to surround peak LeBron with 3&D guys and one other high level playmaker that can space the floor, that has an argument for being the greatest offense in NBA history.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

I think you could throw MJ and LeBron in there… those are the undisputed 5 best offensive players ever imo.

@Ham-zs1uf

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a video idea

@imdbtruth

Жыл бұрын

Luka > Steph (today)

@NationOfChalcol

Жыл бұрын

@@imdbtruth Too ball-centric. Everyone must spot up around him rather than suceed eith anyone no matter the skillset

I GENUINELY believe that if healthy, Joker and the Nuggets have a chance to be a DYNASTY and Joker has a chance to SOLIDIFY himself as a Top 10 maybe even top 5 player all time.

If Jokic isn’t #1 after what he did in the playoffs, I’ll actually be shocked lol

@PhoenixTeamMG

Жыл бұрын

Or over his whole career for that matter! 😆

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Never a doubt

@FkTheUFC

Жыл бұрын

The only way someone doesn’t have Joker as the best player rn is hate. His numbers and accomplishments speak for themselves.

@awm6368

Жыл бұрын

@@FkTheUFC It's mainly the media. He's not into the entire media circus act so they punish him by ranking him low, only focusing on his few weak spots, and generally talking trash. Most normal people and fans I see posting online either A. give him his props or B. just saw him play for the first time and ask why they've never heard of him before.

7:25 I would just like to note that after this rejection, Jokic makes the followup shot that is all, nothing further to add

Full respect for understanding just how crazy Kawhi is

@frz_-

Жыл бұрын

Health is Robbing us from one of the Greatest players we’ve seen🥲🥲

@yamchimovits9227

Жыл бұрын

Durability is a skill just like shooting, rebounding, passing, etc. Kawhi is better than Luka, Tatum, Booker and Butler when healthy, but I'd take any of these guys over him because at least I can have a good degree of confidence they will be healthy come playoff time. With Kawhi you expect him to be perpetually injured at this point. When accounting for durability he's not a top ten player imo

@hungerxhunger2548

Жыл бұрын

​@@yamchimovits9227I agree with your thoughts completely.

@frz_-

Жыл бұрын

@@yamchimovits9227 Yea that’s why he had a list that included health that removed Kawhi PG Zion and Rearranged everyone else

@drzed6647

Жыл бұрын

You know, Kawhi was a great player for the greatest team basketball I have ever seen: 2014 Spurs. But, when you look back at it, Kawhi, was not the center of that team: that would have been the axis Duncan-Diaw. Although he won, deservedly, the Finals MVP, Kawhi was a reluctant participant in the Spurs' beautiful game. Kawhi, as he proved amply, in his later off-court dealings and later on-court play, inclined toward the hero-ball game: ugly, and ultimately losing basketball. I am anticipating that Kawhi does not make the HOF, and I affirm that he is not one of the 100 All-Time Greats.

Strong rankings. Really thought the reasoning was top level and the evaluations fair. Also a great job keeping things current rather than allowing a player's past performance to influence things which so many of these lists tend to do.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

KD & Kawhi over luka is crazy

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

That’s fair!

@pokeinator7834

Жыл бұрын

Kawhi overrated af,I’d have jason tatum over him

@LolLol-pi7mo

Жыл бұрын

@@pokeinator7834unlike Tatum Kawhi had a ring by that age also Kawhi actually improves 99% from the reg season to playoffs JT gets worse

@pokeinator7834

Жыл бұрын

@@LolLol-pi7mo ok I might’ve overselled it but still dame and luka are better, Joel is debatable cause he can’t play for shit in the playoffs but,if he gets his act together…it’s joelver

Damn we really were spoiled with this best in the NBA series…thanks for the work it took to make this🙌🏾

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support!

One thing on grading Jokics defense, if the only time he can be exploited is by 2 of the greatest scoring guards ever, who also torch any center, including embiid giannis and gobert then I'm comfortable calling him a good-great defender, and even the times dame and steph exploited him was with very subpar roster construction compared to now, would love to see what Jokic looks like on defense against them with this roster Loved the vid as always

@koolkai4299

Жыл бұрын

Embiid exploited him.

@amaimon8031

Жыл бұрын

@@koolkai4299 You mean when Embiid was tryharding so bad in the regular season while the Nuggets were coasting to win a ring ? Or when Embiid literally was the one getting exposed in the playoffs and having a complete meltdown (again btw) ? Or when basically average a triple double in a historic run cementing himself as a top 25 player all time (for now, he might go up) while Embiid is nothing ? Do you wanna me to keep going or what ?

Most in-depth top I have ever seen, I like a lot that you detail offense and defense for each player. Great job.

Unlike Nikola Jokic, many selfish superstars tended to hog a ball a lot so they are responsible for causing their idle rusty teammates more frustrated, disappointed and resentful because they wanted to shoot too. I noticed many superstars except Jokic don't understand the meaning of teamwork because they are obsessed to winning. Denver Nuggets' team players were more much active and mobile than others. Jokic is a far much more different than these superstars because he doesn't care about stats but winning a game. I admire his humility, simplicity and unselfishness so much.

Still wanna say you have one of the best NBA analysis channels on youtube, appreciate all the effort that went into this series

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that!

Man i cannot stress how amazing these vids are i'm already rewatching some of them ahah

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy!

Outstanding video. Keep it up 💪

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Amazing series and great explanations for each placement. My top 25 including injuries would be in order : Nikola Jokic Giannis Antetokounmpo Stephen Curry Luka Doncic Joel Embiid Kevin Durant Anthony Davis Jayson Tatum Jimmy Butler Devin Booker Damian Lillard Shai Gilegous-Alexander LeBron James Kawhi Leonard Donavon Mitchell Ja Morant Trae Young De’Aaron Fox Pascal Siakam Paul George Kyrie Irving Bam Adebayo James Harden Tyrese Halliburton Brandon Ingram

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Valid list!

nice list!

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

I gotta ask, what center in NBA history is holding his own against Steph Curry and Dame Lillard in open space? Hows Shaq holding up out there? It seems like a pretty ridiculous ask.

I love the way you closed out the video. My first question after watching this series was actually going to be where you'd rank Jalen Brunson, and it looks like you answered it even without my asking.

great list man you got my sub

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that!

Time to watch all 5. Thanks!

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

What’s with the fly in the video @ 23:45 ? I feel like I see a lot of flies in Your videos

W list. HV, you need to make a video on "what is a point of attack defender and what makes a good PoA defender?" along with the top 5 PoA defenders. Gotta show the carusos and lu dorts some love lol

Well said

Elite player breakdown overall, that's great content. Question though, where would you have 2020 giannis on this list? 21 and obviously 22 ga are better idk about 23 though

Good list just think Durant is a little high in this form cause he was dookie in last playoffs and this year wasn’t great either Luka is def better rn

@VonKappallot

Жыл бұрын

They gone always put KD higher than he should be. To me he’s barley top 10 now

@antthefinesser538

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ya tweaking , he averaged 25 and gave the champs 30 in back to back Ws with only 15 games with the suns

@TheBadgerInMinecraft

Жыл бұрын

@@antthefinesser538 he shot over 25 shots and was trash the rest of the series

Man, I was surprised to see P Bev at 1, but you convinced me: Patrick Beverly is the King of the NBA. Nikola who?

With the 2023 draft coming to a close.. its time to rank the best players.

Doncic is a proven playoff performer and fake MVP Embiid is proven playoff choker. So, no on one being 6 and the other being 7.

@2010ChairmanMao

11 ай бұрын

Embiid in playoff shall be outside 100

Really great job. Thorough explanation and examples shown with editing. Just very professional. And by your criteria, I’d barely quibble. Really liked how you ended it too. With the graphic. The All-Time, and MVP-AllStars set apart. And the health adjustments. Very crisp/clean and just a cool function. I dropped my Top 25 for you on Twitter a few days back, with not so much the adjustment for health, but a similar adjustment that turns 2022-23 performance into 2023-24 anticipation. So here are those, here: If Reg & Post Seasons Equal… My 22-23 NBA MVPlayers: 1. Jokic Kawhi Jimmy Booker Tatum 6. AD Brunson Embiid LeBron Steph* 11. Luka Giannis KD Shai Dame 16-25. Jamal Ant Trae Mitchell Harden Haliburton Ja Sabonis *Claxton DWhite AG Bam Lauri Kristaps JJJ/Zion Taking these 22-23, and rearranging them by the Best Anticipated 23-24 (which is better known as the Best Player in the World ranking, and also what I imagine is closer to your criteria/way of ranking): 1. Jokic Luka Giannis Kawhi Steph 6. AD Booker Embiid Tatum KD 11. Zion Shai Jimmy Dame Ant/Jamal/LeBron/Brunson

@drzed6647

Жыл бұрын

I agree. The analysis of players was sound, and the video accompanied very well the text. Excellent job.

Curious where would bubble AD rank here? I went on ur website and saw u labeled his 2020 szn a touch short below all-time level so I’m assuming 2-4?

@AdamxAudra

Жыл бұрын

3rd. 20 AD jumpshot was on another stratosphere but LeBron and rondo were spoon feeding him a lot which holds him back from the t2 imo

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Spot on, I think I’d land on him at 4.

Trae Young at 20 is the only one on this list that is too high (personally to me). I'd put him at 25 and move the 21-25 up one ranking each. Solid breakdown

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Totally fair!

@dl11c

Жыл бұрын

@@HoopVenue Either way your series breakdown was incredible. Thanks for putting it together

Man I love this series. Absolutely impressive production quality and beautiful way or presenting. As for the ranking - your list does make all the sense. However I am not sure if you were taking into account "foul-trouble weakness". What I mean - is how much a ranked player sacrifices activity on the defensive end in order to stay away from the foul trouble. The idea is that for players like Jokic, LeBron, Steph (to some extent) or any other one who is in the center of the offensive/defensive mechanisms it is much more impactful to be on the floor as much as possible just to have the team going. While for the less dimensional players it is not such a big deal, because their performance doesn't affect the team performance as much. So what I am saying - it seems like that the "brain players" should be getting some cut-offs for not being too much committed as the one-on-one defenders, shot-blockers, active-handers etc. So I am curious whether you were considering this in the ranking. Besides that - huge thank you for your amazing videos.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed, and appreciate the support!

The Joker vs Giannis duel will be INTRIGUING for years to come.

@CyberBloox

Жыл бұрын

Joker Gianni’s embiid

jokic imo has the best hands for stealing for any big men

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Definitely up there!

@koolkai4299

Жыл бұрын

Learn about Hakeem Olajuwon.

@ThaTruth223

11 ай бұрын

@@koolkai4299they’re prisoners of the moment they don’t believe in looking at the facts

Can you do a top 5 at each position? I think it'd be sweet and harder than you think lol

Steph and KD are a bit too high in my opinion, but none the less, I agree with just about everything else about on this list.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Totally fair!

@ThaTruth223

11 ай бұрын

Explain or is it bias ?

I would do ANYTHING for your reaction to OprahSide’s (Clark’s) top 25 lmao

Great placement for Kawhi. Kawhi is one of the greatest playoff risers ever and doesn't get enough shine as it should. His only "bad series" in the postseason was versus another budding all time great when he faced the Nuggets.

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

100% agree!

Great work HV. Excellent analysis! One thing about Jok defensively, the dude might have the quickest, sharpest hands out there. One of the best in deflections + steals in the league. He is probably a slight positive overall, but in the postseason with more physicality allowed, he can be a strong positive on that end. Can't believe you made this for free :D

So real for having Kawhi 4

I'm super biased, but really?? still no de'aaron fox on that health-based list?

@malachithenurse3252

Жыл бұрын

D Fox is on his 11 players list that didn’t make the cut.

@noosurprises

Жыл бұрын

@@malachithenurse3252 he should've been in the cut in the first place

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Fox was heavily considered, sucks that I have to make a cutoff at 25 because I could see Fox as high as 22 without any problems.

Think we all KNEW Joker would be number 1 come seasons end.

I like your top 5, personally id put steph at 2 but im biased as hell so i get why he isnt for many

Typical W vid

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

Amazing series and I liked how you showed how good Kawhi is

I pray we get a fully healthy season from Kawhi this year. He will forever be one of my all time favourite players.

Jokic understands the game from end to end, but Giannis is close to an all-timer, too, imo. Steph, Luka, KD, & Kawhi only add to it with their unique skillsets as strong MVP candidates!

@PhoenixTeamMG

Жыл бұрын

Steph has a case, & I think Kawhi has still got it, too. I respect Giannis for continuing to work on his game. So, I admire his game as a Jokic fan.

@speakingfacts3931

Жыл бұрын

Giannis is only an all timer when he makes his free throws. If he was shooting free throw like these playoffs in the nba 2021 finals we’d be talking about the suns being nba champions and that’s even including khris Middleton and Jrue holiday having an exceptional series

@PhoenixTeamMG

Жыл бұрын

@@speakingfacts3931 That's a fair criticism. But he was also dominant, brilliant, & motivated in ways. Willing his team over the top: setting up teammates & moving around on defense. Able to knock down FTs on check downs, to your point.

@PhoenixTeamMG

Жыл бұрын

& listen, I don't remember everything about it. But what I do understand is that Giannis was impacting the game in more ways than one through his movement. Even though, I'll give you that much.

To me It’s crazy how high luka gets rated around the league when his defense is so atrocious.

Kawhi is like top 10 or 15 for me but not top 5 because he is injured to death at the wrong time of the season whether it’s playoffs or not but the rest of the top 5 is fine with me.

@LolLol-pi7mo

Жыл бұрын

But then does that make kd not top 5 because in the last 4 seasons he’s played less than Kawhi

Ja Morant and Trae Young over Playoff Murray? No way.

19:40 Well that's happening haha

I fear that with rising tensions and me being in close proximity to a well know nuclear target (Chicago) on a daily basis I will not survive world war 3

The 3 time MVP better be #1

Excellent yet again! I don’t have any arguments about your rankings and thought you backed up each with great analysis. 2.5 hours of fantastic content. Do you have a Patreon?

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that a ton! I don’t have a patreon set up but do have memberships available on my website for some extra/statistical content if you’re interested!

@texaskid4444

Жыл бұрын

@@HoopVenue dope! I’ll check that out

Where do u put 23 Jokic on all time peak list

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure he’d probably land around 12-15

Great list but I think Jalen Brunson this year was overlooked he outplayed Donovan Mitchell in playoffs and was the Knicks entire offense averaging 31 against the heat I would have him over harden at this point but I think next season he’s going to show out

Nice video but I feel as Brunson should be higher a bit

what team u a fan of?

Murray and Booker should be higher, they were 2 best guards in the playoffs....

Solid list but if playoff equity is a major consideration not sure how Kyrie, Trae, and Ja are so high. All are well below the line for competent playoff defenders. Think overall versatility and two-way ability is more important than what they bring on offense

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think Kyrie’s *that* bad defensively, for the other 2 it’s fair but I also feel they are some of few who can actually engine a championship-level offense on the ball.

@TerrenceCaldwell-ns5jo

Жыл бұрын

Can Ja do that though? Mem has had a bad O-rating last two playoffs and bad half court offense in the regular season. Maybe Trae can, but I’m even more skeptical on his defense holding up. Agree Kyrie might be best defender of the 3 but it’s a really low bar.

@donnellthomas7766

Жыл бұрын

Kyrie and Trae have literally took over playoff series. That’s why.

Jokic is the best offensive player ever and it's not even close. Top5 is an insult at this point.

Giannis is easily the best player, and people shouldn't look at the playoffs for anything because Giannis was literally injured and just couldnt play

Kwahi has missed 30 or more games in the past 4 years... That's why he's #4

i think having KD this far ahead of Bron doesn’t make any sense to me the majority of the time Devin Booker was the better Sun and he’s also slipping with time and injury as you pointed out but one of them is overachieving with his cast and the other if you wanna be brutally honest underachieving I feel like they should be kinda tethered if Bron is 12 KD needs to be 11/13 if KD top 5 bron 4/6. Also having Kawhi still your top 5 even tho you were tossing out injuries is just kinda ridiculous when he’s missed an entire season and hasn’t played 60 games since 2018 hasn’t carried a playoff push in 2 and was outplayed by a guy you have below him in said series with a lesser team. Like i get the when he plays logic but it’s that’s problem he never plays.

Based of your analysis on Luka and the criticism to KD, why isn’t Luka higher? Is the defensive gap that wide for you?

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

It’s both the defensive gap and how I feel they’d fit in with higher-end offensive talent, think KD brings so much more team building flexibility.

I also have that idea like some others there that Booker should be little bit higher because of this year play-off run. Probably if you have Jokic in your team booker would be perfect second option. Maybe he is player which you can fit easiest in the roster of most NBA teams, he is good spacer, and off ball player. It is much harder to put LeBron like second option, he is too much ball dominant player (maybe he is little bit overrated - most of the people would give him 7th or 8th spot, but you did not put him to high)

I think butler has to be over a lot of the guys For example embiid and tatum He was flat out better but good list tho Btw difference between Jokic and whoever is No 2 is huge imo

@speakingfacts3931

Жыл бұрын

Tatum was better imo and Embiid was hurt. You could argue above Embiid at this point but I wouldn’t say he’s above Tatum

Yeah I’m actually in this weird spot we’re I think Jokic is the best player at this very moment but I actually have Giannis 1 spot higher on my all time list as they have the same amount of main accolades except for Giannis having 2 DPOYs and I do think Giannis 2021 run stacks up very evenly with what we just witnessed Jokic do I do think Jokic is step up much better for the future and do think he’ll probably be higher on my all time list when both of there careers are over but we shall see really hope we at least get 1 finals match up between them 🙏

@carnage5350

Жыл бұрын

giannis has 1 dpoy

Having Leonard that high is insane; he is never available and when the best ability is availability the amount of load managing he does eliminates him from the top 10. The health list is much more realistic.

Im sorry but giannis has proven his limitations (especially his choppy passes and lack of decision making in the playoffs) and shown that he can not completely carry a team. Curry dragged his team while giannis got taken down in the first round. Obviously still top 3 but Idk about over curry with how much curry elevates his team while we see giannis’ team able to win without him. I love embid but honestly I agree with the ranking. Finally, im guessing this list is more pure skill cause kawhai doesnt play enough in my humble opinion

Real one for Kawhi 4. Good video

appreciate your work but where's fox 😢

Make an argument for Kawhi > Luka lmao insane

Can u explain how Kd is better than LeBron ?

If Jokic was more selfish, he could average 35-40 a game. He averages 25 because he doesn’t have to average more than that.

fox > garland

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Totally fair!

It feels weird to see Lebron outside of the top 5 and not even in the conversation of the best player in the league. The league is shifting

joker deserved this one

Giannis at 2, I will take it.

New sub loved this series. As a mavs fan I may be biased but I think Luka in the playoffs is just way too good to be left off the top 5. his defense is not as bad as everyone says. his main weakness is Fatigue which then leads to basically 0 off ball value. Regardless I think his impact is just simply unmatched other than a handful of players. Not KD though, which is why I think luka should be top 5.

As long as jokic is the #1. I dont care what the others rank

Brief logic for Garland over Brown?

Lets go Nuggets

Why is bam and harden on this list and brown not. Pretty crazy stuff other then that. Great list id say

I honestly don't know what Embiid needs to contend

Who knows the eleven players he had as special mentions

I still miss Siakam in this List...

Kd should be all time and ahead of kawhi

How are KD and Kawhi 4 & 5 when they have produced in the playoffs in years? Who cares what they can do it's about what you actually do that matters. You are basing their rankings about what they did but not what they do overall. Good series overall but but those 2 rankings and Trae were off the mark.

@Chillboyhaad

Жыл бұрын

Bro KD just averaged 29 ppg in the playoffs what are you talking about lmao

Luka not being top 4-5 is actually blasphemy steph hes reached a wcf before embiid and has the same amount of 1st team all nbas (4) as steph curry and hes only 24 ppl are overreacting off team success he just had the 1st 32-8-8 szn since mj and lets not act like hes not a cokd blooded assasin when he gets into the playoffs you could argue hes better than steph already but steph has had the success luka still needs an mvp and ring but if ur name isnt jokic,steph,giannis ur not better than luka

wonder if you forgot about Siakam

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t forget! He just missed the cut and will have a profile with the other honorable mentions.

I cannot put Luka behind KD and Embiid today. Embiid is a freaking choker, never had a good post season and only beat garbage teams. KD 2 to 3 years ago was a top 3 player, today not top 5 to me. How did a guy who dont play is top 4?

@2010ChairmanMao

11 ай бұрын

Embiid shall not be inside this list. 76 actually is better when he did not play!

Drop That Tape Bro , I Aint Forget ! Put All These Snippets On There Too 💯 You Bullshittin Shimmy

love kawhi take.

No way is KD better than Luka

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Totally fair!

@speakingfacts3931

Жыл бұрын

Why not? He’s far more efficient with way better defense on every level, and less ball dominant. It’s actually an easy pick for me.

im putting Siakam at 21-24

@HoopVenue

Жыл бұрын

Totally fair!