Perfect list for cata! I loved raiding in most of the expansion. That’s the exact order I rank the raids too, and playing a healer as well it sounds like we loved a lot of the same fights. Great video

You deserved a lot better than the dub count showed. Hope you come back and make more of these someday

You got some nice footage. I know you've been working really hard on that video. You did an amazing job. 👏🏻 Also that vulpera dancing.. 😂 I can just assume we'll see her dancing again in your next video. 🥴

@captainpotato5108

3 жыл бұрын

LOL maybe and thanks :D

Just made me want to replay FF9. lol Great music.

14 bosses in ulduar was just too much

"The music is good in 4 winds!" *you are not alone going absolutely off in the background*

@captainpotato5108

Жыл бұрын

Heh sometimes you gotta use a banger to describe another banger ;)

good content man

Well I watched your video for the first time while playing ff9...scared the shit out of me that my sound wasn't fitting to the music in your video :D gj on the list though

@captainpotato5108

Жыл бұрын

Wait lolol I'm confused

I can agree with this list. Heroics are by far my favorite thing about cataclysm. Especially when they were pre-nerfed. I tanked and healed during that time and it was a 10/10 experience that I wish I could get back lol. Maybe healers needed better mana regen but thats when blizzard caved and lost its balls. It was a shame that we finally got over the WOTLK horrible faceroll heroics and got a taste of fun only to go backwards. T11 were solid fun raids. Nothing insane but fun and respectable. Better than the Naxx rehash trashcan we got in WOTLK. I got to disagree on Throne of Four Winds though. I thought the council fight was annoying and the RNG loot was a big kick in the nuts. You often got good solid items for someone but it sucked they gave Al'akir the animal boss treatment. He could have dropped some really fun unique items that matched his theme. Al'akir was definitely an awesome fight though. T12 was definitely the highlight. Felt like Ulduar lite to me. Ragnaros on heroic was insane. ZA/ZG were not my cup of tea. I took a break from wow around this point because those dungeons were a bit boring and lame remakes and the drought of content was going on a bit too long. T13 Dragonsoul was by far the biggest pile of crap they released at that point, even beating out ToC from WOTLK. It used rehashed zones (Malygos, Dragonblight, gunship, maelstrom). Like you said, the bosses were unoriginal rehashed models but bigger! Just awful. Not to mention you fight Deathwings back acne and his hands and to top it off you get your kill stolen by Thrall "Green Jesus Motherfucking Messiah". Didn't even let you duke it out with the big guy, no, you had to let thrall be the big hero. Plus LFR came out during this time, which was a huge mistake IMO. Easily the worst patch in WOWs history. It took a solid 7/10 first half expansion and took it straight into 1/10 territory. Unfortunately I think Cataclysm gets its bad wrap from that patch alone. People remember final patches the most and base their experience on it a lot. If not for that raid I think people would have easily said it was an alright expansion.

Watching this after deciding on joining cata classic. And while I understand you on the shorter raids I think that will suit me better as split pugs will be easier for us average kids to organize😂

@captainpotato5108

7 ай бұрын

oh nothing wrong with a short raid at all, imo the Tier 11 Trio is amazing when put together but if it was all small raids and never raids like Firelands the game would get boring too :)

@andreaskarlsson5251

7 ай бұрын

@@captainpotato5108 Oh yes for certain! It's the big raids like Ulduar and firelands that you remember later as well. P.s. ty for the video! Never played cata before so im stoked! Always heard theyre the best part of cataclysm:))

@captainpotato5108

7 ай бұрын

@@andreaskarlsson5251 NP! Yup the raids in Cata imo are all pretty solid

How would you list the raids in terms of difficulty for phase one? I'm trying to figure out what we should focus first as a guild. (I am GM of my guild.)

@captainpotato5108

2 ай бұрын

Id probably say BWD is harder than BoT on normal but once your start progressing into Heroic id say the second half of BoT is way harder than a majority of BWD on heroic. TotFW is in a weird area where I almost wouldn't say its nearly as important loot wise but I'd say it fits nicely into the middle of all that due to its kinda buggy encounters.

@Robdoggierob

2 ай бұрын

@@captainpotato5108 Awesome. Thanks for the response!!!

TLDR: The last raid tier was bad. If there was ANYTHING for them to redo it would be this. Pre nerf heroics and NO LFR are the standard on private servers so that is a no brainer. Dungeons were good, but patch dungeons pigeonholed everyone into 2-3 heroics. Solution that is even simpler than H++ on Wrath Classic: raise the ilvl of the items to match the new tier's dungeon loot (do the same for normals by the same ilvl increase). Then make new versions of starter PvE/PvP gear each patch for professions, that increases the ilvl by the same amount. This is the 200 IQ play because it keeps professions profitable throughout the expansion. The emblem and catch up systems otherwise in this xpac were perfect and the best in WoW's history; great xpac for alts. Now, while we're at it, why not do the SAME to the raids? Simply raise the ilvl of gear... both raid and dungeon content share the same problem: the quantity and quality of content goes DOWN with each patch. Simply adding new content on top feels much better, especially since patch 4.3 did not have any repeatable world content (this should have been added; imagine it with a timeless isle type of zone). Other than that, the changes to when players learned certain spells and cleaning up the talent tree FEELS great. Glyphs are more powerful, everyone gets new abilities, and rotations become more challenging, so it doesn't feel like you lose anything... quite the opposite. The problem with this is it makes players FAR more powerful and at a much earlier level. What they needed to do is BUFF the mobs in the world to make up the difference. The end of Wrath and especially with Cata we see the establishment of "rush rush go go" pre level cap. Now when you hit lvl 85 you are forced to slow down and think, because you can be one shot by bosses. What is missing here is CHALLENGE. Every adventure needs DANGER. Blizz you were 100% right on the hard heroics of Cata. When you flipped on that the timing was bad because players had already started to adapt and get gear, and you got more hate for your trouble. Think of how this lead to things like the Challenge Modes of MoP, which led to Mythic+ and H++ on Wrath Classic... it all started with this. The lack of difficulty also applies to dungeons while leveling, which even with some nice reworks and quality of life changes became the same type of Wrath dungeons you were moving away from in this expansion. Imagine if they actually provided some amount of challenge? This makes the content more enjoyable and as a consequence slows groups down a bit. This has an impact on the meta which shifted to dungeon spam because of how quickly you could tear through them. Raising the difficulty fixes ALL of that. ... and that is MOST of the problems the expansion had. Only the last raid tier is the difficult one to solve, but can be mitigated by other changes which are easy to implement with a small team and budget.

Cataclysm brought the dungeon and raid design to a whole new level of quality and depth, and the raids were awesome, outside of DS, which had two bad encounters(Spine and Ultraxion). Same with class design, class design peaked in Cata until SL and DF. Also Tier 11 is also my favorite tier, along wit Tier 4 and Tier 17

Classic is Almost here, lads

@captainpotato5108

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for Holy Wars and Peace Sells hahaha :)

the problem with the deathwing encounters is it never felt like you were fighting him, just other stuff. which is fine for the first of his 2 encounters, breaking off the armor and zapping him with the talisman that thrall uses. but once he's grounded you should have been fighting him, not tentacle pron lol

I really enjoyed DS tbh, but admittedly it was a long time ago.

The trash packs in BoT were pretty tough for their time, but they dropped a lot of BoEs and people farmed them a lot.

“Toe-nado” 😉

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

bahahaha his toenados lolol

Dungeons and leveling was biggest plus in cata other than that its pretty forgettable expansion for me.

@captainpotato5108

3 жыл бұрын

I can honestly agree with this... the zones were pretty interesting and some of the zone revamps from Vanilla were pretty good too like Westfall and honestly I really enjoyed the dungeons pre nerf but most of the other content just felt lacking

fury warrior really ? in cta its the worst spec ever really holding back the group and does the lowest dps and is bronek as in non working properly so why not arms ?

@captainpotato5108

11 ай бұрын

Huh? Not sure I recall talking about a Fury Warrior in this video lol

mop is the best xpac

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

Honestly this isn't a bad take, its an expansion that I was adverse to enjoying at first but has grown on me so much over time that I honestly love it.

@homergimpson2254

6 ай бұрын

@@captainpotato5108 the only reason people have a bad test in their mouths from mop was becasue of the soo content drought but that wont happen now, but the leveling zones, pvp, and raids were beautiful.

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

@@homergimpson2254 I mostly agree with you tbh, it was kind of a radical shift in art aesthetic that might have felt jarring at first for most (myself included) but I will defend that if you stuck with it or gave it a second chance you would have easily came to find it was a beautiful world with some very good rich lore that sadly Blizz has mostly abandoned now :(

I think people dog dragon soul too much. If the death wing fight was better people would be saying it was a good raid. The other bosses are fine. It was just lfr and a bad death wing fight that make people hate the whole raid.

@captainpotato5108

8 ай бұрын

This is kind of a mixed bag for me, I do enjoy aspects of the raid (heh aspects) but I do find that most of the overall content is either lazy or rushed. I can understand some of the hate being overstretched or just extended from others who weren't there but as someone who did everything from Molten Core all the way to DS, I do feel like it just didn't hold up to a lot of what came before it. Between its reused area, a lack of real player choice, gauntlets of throw away trash and as you said a pretty disappointing final fight with the big Ol DW himself... it all piles on... nothing wrong with enjoying or loving it but in my opinion it marks very nasty point where Blizzard struggled to put a raid together that really met the standards a final raid should.

@GS-um4kq

8 ай бұрын

@@captainpotato5108 I mean a raid where we are actually in our world defending it from the person trying to destroy it is cool. Instead of what every other raid before it did was create this new magical instance that we had no actual emotional connection with. It made me feel I was actually protecting my home instead of diving into some lair where ope, there is the mean guy. By player choice I think you mean boss order. You didnt have any choice in bwl, sunwell, and really not a ton of one in a couple other raids before it too. AQ you didn't really have a ton to look at. Sure you had great direction options in raids like Naxx or ICC or Ulduar or the raids before it in the same expac. For me, I couldn't care less about having super unique looking bosses. The bosses, outside of Hagara, fit the look of what I would expect ranking members of his movement to look like. I care more about other things than being upset about reused models. Almost everything is a reused model in some degree. And 90% of trash in all of wow is throwaway trash, so I wont give you that point. Very rare do you go oh that trash was fun or unique. Half of raids groups afk or look at their other screen. I will only judge a raid for EXCESSIVE trash, which I wouldnt agree DS had, outside of the 1 part before hagara. And yes the dw fight was garbo. But again I just cant agree with your points. I think it is once again a community hatred and bandwagon of a couple bad points and then suddenly the whole thing in their minds is terrible. It isnt as bad as you all say it is. It isnt amazing by any means, but it isnt bad.

Another American, another completely unique way of saying the word niche. How do you guys come up with it?

@captainpotato5108

2 ай бұрын

Is there a problem?

@FreakyYandere

2 ай бұрын

And? The real question is: why does it bother you enough to leave a comment? 😂

Dragon Soul should have ended with DeathWing's humanoid form.

DS IS trash content lol

VOA and the sanctums dont count as raids. saying thre are 9 raids in wrath is only correct on a technicality. Wrath had nax, uld, togc, icc. something you can do in 30 minutes isnt a raid.

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

Going to have to disagree but I understand your statement none the less but likewise using your own argument against you, Baradin Hold isn't a raid then nor is Throne of Four Winds... doesn't even have trash lolol :P

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

Just btw I'm not trying to be rude but I also just don't see a point in this debate lol

@chrismelvin1583

6 ай бұрын

Naxx was just a reskin in wrath as well.

@captainpotato5108

6 ай бұрын

@@chrismelvin1583 a reskin of one of arguably WoWs greatest raids isn't a issue imo plus a ton of players didn't get to exp the original so I feel its a bit different lol

@chrismelvin1583

6 ай бұрын

@@captainpotato5108 it still isn’t exactly new content for a new xpac is it? At least all the cata content was fresh and new out of the gate. The only weak point of cata’s raids is the last boss of dragon soul, deathwing himself.