1:32 Oathbraker 3:50 Oath of Devotion 5:31 Oath of the Ancients 7:22 Oath of Redemption 9:56 Oath of Conquest 12:32 Oath of Glory 15:09 Oath of Vengeance 18:04 Oath of the Crown

Just started 5e haven't really played since 3.5 so really enjoying the channel. Keep them up!

Jetpack my man I’ve been pumped on you doing this one all week, thank you

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Hayden Witt hope you enjoy!

@haydenwitt1570

3 жыл бұрын

Jetpack7 loved it man, have my new oath of vengeance Paladin that I can be extra pumped about seeing you rank it high

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

@@haydenwitt1570 You'll have a great time. It is a wonderfully brutal archetype!

"Wow...as long as we stay within 10 feet of the Paladin, we're really tough!" *Enemy Wizard readies Fireball*

@gohantanaka

3 жыл бұрын

They do, but the party gets +5 to that Dex save.

@Comicsluvr

3 жыл бұрын

@@gohantanaka True. In our last game, one of the bad guys put up a Darkness field so we couldn't shoot her. That made her the target of every AoE spell we had until she lost Concentration. Sure, the bonus to the Saves is nice but it's questionable whether it's better than scattering the party so only 1-2 get hit.

@benmills4358

3 жыл бұрын

Efreeti cast fireball, party gathers around paladin for saves. Paladin Cast Counterspell combat stops. Efreeti calls Bullshit. Paladin says he's a Oath of Redemption. Efreeti and 5 Fire Elementals leave. Paladin says safe travels.

@Cheesecakeman105

3 жыл бұрын

@@gohantanaka if it's oath of ancients, they also have resistance to the spell's damage.

@Septentrional33

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheesecakeman105 no its not spell resistance

Thank you for sharing your own opinion. Subscribed and I will support your channel. Don’t feel pressure by the community, it’s great you formulate your own conclusions and go with your gut rather than regurgitate what’s out there on the forums.

Not sure if I agree with the order of the list but the choices make sense from the criteria you put up. Cool video.

Will point out that oath of ancients healing as part of its capstone ability doesn't specify "while unconcious" meaning you heal even when at 0hp. Also devotion paladins permanent protection from evil and good protects against all creature types listed in the spell, not just one.

@bowendarius5084

3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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3 жыл бұрын

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My favourite channel for content like this. Keep up the great work. Sharing with my dnd group

Oath of redemption's +5 persuasion check bonus is for a full 10 minutes, not 1 minute.

While I don't agree with your ranking, I appreciate a different view point. That is one of the great things about 5e - options for everyone.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you appreciate it! I try to give a slightly different perspective with these videos :) Thank you!

Oath Breaker's Aura of Hate - charisma modifier also gets added to THEIR OWN damage rolls as well. -I missed this while playing an 11th level one -who ended up two weapon fighting ironically enough. Animate dead was not very useful in combat, they just get destroyed in 1 aoe by the time you get them. They were good as minions for stumbling into the traps and providing flanking if you use it -or the help action if you don't. And permanent stoneskin at 15th level is nothing to scoff at. If anything I think those are the best 2 features. I think cha is a better secondary stat to have and just leave con at 14 for a while. If starting with 16 cha I would get str and cha to 18 before getting 20 strength, because aura of protection is huge just by itself. -Con might be more valuable to you though if you're using an oath with less charisma synergy like Vengeance, Glory and Watcher. -I'd still want at least 16 cha though. Edit: Oath of the Crown, seriously dude?

@jcdenton2187

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was certainly shocked when he opened up saying the Oathbreaker was the worst Paladin subclass. Oathbreaker is a damage MONSTER by 7th level and that gets compounded further by permanent 1d8 extra damage from the base Paladin features. The minions thing is really more to get you a couple meatshields once in awhile which is only an upside, and Control Undead is arguably so much better than Turn Undead from Clerics because it caps at CR 20 monsters and means you can potentially get a very powerful Undead at your side, and you don't even have to extend any action economy of your own once it's under your control. I think he very much underestimated the Oathbreaker, I'd consider it either high A or an S Tier class. And uh... Oath of the Crown is just bad unfortunately

Slight correction Aura of hate is Charisma to dmg not to hit. Also low Charisma for a Paladin. LOW CHARISMA!!! Charisma is tied for the most important stat they have.

@DoofyGilmore1299

3 жыл бұрын

My most high stat go to con after str and then charisma

@AdrasAdraki

3 жыл бұрын

@@DoofyGilmore1299 whys that?

@YourBoyNobody530

3 жыл бұрын

I actually leave my constitution at 14 or 16 because with the tough feat I can get over 200HP.

@benmills4358

3 жыл бұрын

@sean that's exactly where my Con on Paladins are at. I usually go with starting after modifiers 16 str, 8 Dex, 14 con 10 int, 12 wis 16 cha. And I raise my str and cha with asi until 20 the feats i usually go for is either Great Weapon Master, Shield Master, Inspiring Leader, or Magic initiate.

@DoofyGilmore1299

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrasAdraki if u want healer go cleric people plays paladin for combat power

Went for Kalashtar Oath of Vengence Paladin/Totem of the Bear Barbarian. Resistance to all damage at 3rd level, Half Plate, Dual Weilding and Half Plate (Or Full Plate if your DM is cool and gives you Full Plate to use with Rage) combined with those sweet divine smites will have you on the front lines dropping everyone.

I've been playing a oath of redemption paladin in a 2 year long campaign and I'm surprised that it is so low on the list. But after watching it makes some sense

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Anderson-Gatt It is a fantastic subclass on one of the best classes in 5e! The gap between these archetypes is negligible in my opinion. They’re all REALLY powerful in their own right.

Tips for oath of glory - pick shield master feat, use your channel divinity and, congratulations, you are a shove god. Attack, shove with advantage, them attack again with advantage to (melee strikes have advantage against trip targets).

Correction on the beginning: you mention that Paladin Oath spells are better than Cleric Domain spells because they "don't come from the Paladin spell list." That's very true! Buuuuut a lot of Cleric domain spells don't come from the Cleric spell list either (see Tempest and Light for a lot of great non-Cleric spells). Other than that, you make a lot of good points, though I do think you have to make a distinction between going for offensive vs defensive. Ancients Paladin is possibly the best defensive class in the game because of its level 7 aura, while Vengeance is AMAZING for 1v1 battles. All in all, good video man. Earned a sub

6:44 Never thought I'd see someone throw shade at immortality.

@elliotbryant3459

3 жыл бұрын

Not immortality, more like Mr Clean.

I agree with a lot of the points you made in your video. My two biggest surprises are your placement for Ancients and Crown. Ancients has been regarded as one of the top oaths with its buff, tank utility and crowd control options and crown has been sort of middle of the road as (similar to devo) it’s good all around with a slight edge to defensive support.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I've found that my opinions tend not to match the majority of folks. The comment section often comes to the defense of the archetypes I undersell, which I'm happy to see! Glad to know that the viewers aren't afraid to tell me when I'm wrong :')

Oath of Vengeance gets Aura of Protection at 6th which is a bonus to saving throws to you or an ally within 10ft, equal to Charisma modifier.

@Kineela

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this. I'm guessing he means that Vengeance itself doesn't give an extra aura or something, because AoP is for every paladin at lvl 6.

Sorcadin builds pls 😇😇😇 pally 2 / sorc X, sorc 3 / pally X, etc and rate the best! Would be a fantastic vid thx

Thoughts on oath of watchers?

What? Oath of Redemption has the best oath spells of any paladin by a mile.

Oath of Ancients is the best all around, with the Oath of Vengeance being the best 1 vs 1 subclass.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Steph Hanley Interesting difference from me here! Why do you think the Ancients is the best overall?

@stephhanley3167

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jetpack7 The Oath of Ancients Aura of Warding is phenomenal! Giving the entire party resistance to all spells is an immensely potent buff, especially when coupled with Aura of Protection. This particular oath is better than the others in one major way, and that is battlefield control. Their Channel Divinity allows for restraining, while their Turn the Faithless frightens fey and fiends. The most overlooked benefits of this ability are that it reveals shape shifted forms and negates magical concealment entirely! Illusion, blur, etc, all negated without a saving throw. That's always useful. While the Oath of Redemption has slightly better oath spells, the Ancients paladin gets multiple bases covered. Speak with Animals and Commune with Nature give the paladin rare access to divination and information gathering. Moonbeam and Ice Storm afford the paladin crowd control, and uses their oft neglected concentration slot. Couple that with the Auras of Warding and Protection, your concentration saving throws against losing spells is very high. This particular oath opens up a rare path, that of a primary caster paladin. Equipped with a high charisma, and a few cantrips, this paladin is built for tanking and support. In addition to all of this, being able to automatically survive an instant kill once per long rest is nothing to scoff at. Only the Oath of Vengeance beats this subclass's ability to move around the battlefield, albeit marginally so. Their capstone ability, Elder Champion, quickens their paladin spells, and grants disadvantage against their spells and Channel Divinity abilities. This really grants credence to this being the high charisma, spellcasting focused paladin. A spellcaster in heavy armor, with spell resistance, and up to a +5 or more on all of their saving throws. This paladin can stand amidst a host of enemies, and burn them all with a single casting of Moonbeam and tank at the same time.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Steph Hanley these are all good points! Definitely an argument to put it higher than I’ve placed it! I hadn’t really considered giving this Paladin the opportunity to be a primary caster because that takes away one of the paladin’s primary features of divine smite. My only issue with this is that at this point you’re basically playing a half-caster Cleric! There are several cleric archetypes that grant heavy armor proficiency, have a wider and more potent spell selection and more powerful (and a larger quantity of) channel divinities. With the addition of a feat, the concentration checks would be no issue at all! I think Divine Smite really sets the Paladin apart from other classes, and sending one down the route of a primary caster detracts from one of their most potent strengths! THAT SAID, I love your build idea and I’m tempted to try it. Thanks so much for the discourse 😁

@stephhanley3167

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jetpack7 I tend to play mine more like a divine Gish. The higher DCs of your spells and abilities can make those secondary smite spell effects hit much more reliably. Here is my level 14 Oath of Ancients paladin. It's built more like a pylon/tank, but your high charisma really maximizes your auras and ability to freely use your limited use abilities. Let me know what you think. ddb.ac/characters/23835135/TR73ve

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephhanley3167 This seems like a really fun build! I love seeing people more creative with their builds than I am, thank you so much for sharing! :)

I'll have to take another look at Oath of the Crown. I always felt it was underwhelming, but it's entirely possible I'm wrong.

@Klaital1

3 жыл бұрын

Oath of the Crown is by far the weakest paladin archetype in 5e, the only good thing it has is that it gets spirit guardians as one of it's oath spells, that's it, everything else in the subclass is terrible.

Now I want to play an Aasimar Oath of Vengeance Paladin, the ultimate example of Good Is Not Nice

@gohantanaka

3 жыл бұрын

I play one. And Dude, can he bring the pain.

@mariegonzalez6610

2 жыл бұрын

@@gohantanaka I’m getting ready to play this exact character. May I ask what feats you went with? I’m planning on being an offense machine and was considering pole arm master, sentinel, alert. I put my best ability score in strength, con, then charisma. Mainly because I was planning on using most of my spell slots on smiting. Any additional advice is welcome, thanks.

I was wondering where you'd place the Glory Paladin, kinda got surprised that you placed it where you did (using this phrasing so I don't spoil the video for others who haven't seen it and are just scrolling through comments, to them I say HI!!!, How's your day?) But, now I'm curious if you'll update these videos after Tasha's Cauldron of Everything is released or if you'll just do a single video on that rather than make a whole new series of these videos with every new official subclass

@randmcnally6542

3 жыл бұрын

Bless this man

Protection of Good and Evil you do not have to choose the monster type

It would be helpful to tell us the standards by which you are judging these rankings because my Paladin ranking list is very different from yours.

@nathanblakley

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Oath of redemption is my favorite

- The devotion is one of my favoirate. dont understimate a charisma boos to attack rolls using great weapon master and maybe concentrating on bless and you would rarely miss with that -5 modifier. Yes an action to aply is too ruthless and I do wish we could use our spell slots to use channel devinity just like the Variant Rule UA where you can use a channel divinity to get a level 1 spell slot. the devosion is my go to to multiclass with hexblade. the imune to charm is a life saver and the protection of good and evil read the spell .... it works on ALL the types :D you can choose ... so choose them all. protection from good and evil is busted as an always on but as a spell its short duration and concentration make it a less viable choice. - Ancients is lack luster for thier channel divinity but everything else is ok the spells and the resistance to spels. the death word is laughable tbh. anythign that return you to 1 hp once and not at least 20 means you are dead in a multi attack situation. - conquest paladin is busted. we had a paladin survived a 400 damage attack because of thier level 20 channel. their level 20 capstone might be the strongest most nova. its a bummer that they rely on fear too much many big monsters are immune to fear. and again if you can use a spell slot to use channel divinity you would have seen the guided strike get sued more often you cant smite what you cant strike :D ... - glory ... such a disappointing from the UA heroisim its really REALLY weak, the temp smite doesnt scale good too swingy. the aura is STUPID small and that they must start in the aura ... really really oversight. the level 15 ability being removed from an always on reaction to a number of times a day is a big nerf. yet another Subclass that got butchered from UA to print. look at you hexblade. - ... REALLY the crown ??!!! it is super noterios for being one of the weakest paladins out there ...

@lamarwashington2718

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he missed how OP always active protection from good and evil really is during play. Most creature types would have disadvantage against you on attack rolls. Also always on means no concentration, so you could cast shield of faith and be pretty sure that those creature types will struggle to land a single attack roll against you.

This list seems all over the place XD

Tbh for conquest i would just put cha higher and lower your str a bit your a controller at that point

@Enkrod

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, just google "Conquest Paladin, Wall of Fear" for a great build guide.

@Klaital1

3 жыл бұрын

Would do the same with Redemption paladin too, because their oath spells are amazing.

Anyone else think we should have equal numbers of paladins to clerics, since they tend to have devotion to the Divine?

But... domain spells work identically to oath spells. They don't have to come from the cleric list just like oath spells don't have to come from the paladin list. Heck, I think life domain is the only domain whose domain spells come wholly (heh, holy) from the cleric list

what u think about paladin of treachury? im the only no spellcaster of the party... so... im alone in the from line jajjajaa

@jcdenton2187

3 жыл бұрын

It is a very much dead Unearthed Arcana. In my opinion it's wholly redundant to the Oathbreaker, which also is not deserving at all of last place because it's a damage monster of a Paladin and has excellent subclass spells and features.

I play a vengeance paladin and you missed a lot of class features that do buff the party. This is listed on pages 84 and 85 of the Players' Handbook and it should be noted that these are "class features", in other words you get these features regardless of your sacred oath. You only need to be a paladin. These are the paladin class features on pages 84 and 85 of the players' handbook: Divine Sense Lay on Hands Fighting Style (choose one at 2nd level) Spellcasting Spellcasting Ability (Charisma for paladins) Spellcasting Focus (see chapter 5, "equipment") Divine Smite (available at 2nd level) Divine Health (at level 3, all paladins are immune to disease) Sacred Oath (at level 3, you choose an oath that decides what kind of paladin your character is) Ability Score Improvement (for paladins you gain 2 points to assign to modifiers or option to pick a feat at lvl 4, 8, 12, 16, and 19) Extra Attack (5th level feature) Aura of Protection (at 6th level whenever you or a friendly creature within 10 feet of you must make a saving throw, the creature gains a bonus equal to your charisma modifier while you are conscious. The range of this aura increases to 30 feet at 18th level. Aura of Courage ( at 10th level, you and friendly creatures within 10 feet of you can not be frightened while you are conscious). Improved Divine Smite (at 11th level all of your melee attacks deal an extra 1d8 radiant damage. If you use your divine smite this bonus damage is also added to the damage of the divine smite.) Cleansing Touch (at 14th level, you can use your action to end one spell on yourself or one willing creature that you touch.) You get these by just being a paladin, anything listed in the various oath types is in addition to this list.

Aura of Hate: “it’s just kind of super niche....” Aura of Hate Starting at 7th level **** YOU ****, as well any fiends and undead within 10 feet of you, gain a bonus to melee weapon damage rolls equal to your Charisma modifier... Only the peripheral benefits are niche. So, your damage modifier is STR + CHA. That’s actually a pretty good ability on its own. All the extra zombie damage is just a bonus. An Oathbreaker should focus on high Str and high Cha (not only for the extra damage, but for those saving throws for their other abilities). Wear plate armor and make Dex and Int your dump stats. This is very doable! I don’t play this or any other Paladin, so I’m not being an Oathbreaker fanboy - but you’re way underrating this one.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Getting that bonus to attacks is certainly nice but I still don't think it quite makes up for the weakness of the features surrounding it, unfortunately. They're all quite powerful, this one just feels like the least powerful to me.

CONQUEST ONLY GREATAXE THROWER IN DnD Or (GreatWeapon master + Sharpshooter) either way take a -5 to hit to gain +10 damage with either a heavy melee weapon or a ranged weapon, FYI IF YOU COULD DESIGN A ONE OF A KING HEAVY MELEE/RANGED WEAPON youd could take a -10 hit to deal +20 damage. SLING FLAIL MIGHT WORK. A HEAVY BOOMERANG COULD WORK

Why you make a paladin with a low charisma???

@tobymacintyre7861

3 жыл бұрын

Depending on the paladin tbh an oath of conquest paladin wants high charisma because thay will want there spell save dc to be high an oath of vengeance on the other hand doesn't need a high dc because there best spells don't require saving throws

*Loads 8d8 damage in one hit with holy intent*

For a Conquest Paladin, Charisma is the main stat instead of Strength

No, the Vengeance Paladin is not too strong. The Class does excel at combat, and is just so well designed it comes across as op compared to other classes.

Clerics domain spells don't have to come from the cleric spell list either.

just wanted to point out that u dont choose a type with protection from good and evil, it works always on all of its types

Devotions poison thrower Alchemic fire thrower Acid flask thrower You Do not need proficiency you add modifier to all weapons Be it firing a ballista or throwing a Boulder or greataxe.

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I think Flavor wise, I like Oath of Glory, Conquest, and Vengeance is good if you're going the edgy route, Conquest is good if you want to play a Neutral Paladin, and Glory is good if you want to play the good hearted hero but isn't bound to a god

So that extra 10ft of movement is actually really useful for getting in range to hit your enemy. Also, lets be real here smites are awesome, and war cleric should have gotten access to at least one.

Is hexblade too strong

Not sure man. Once I had and argument with my friend, and we let this to be settled by our characters. He was 20 lv vengeance paladin when I was 20 lv rune knight fighter. Well from our DM when we end up, we destroyed whole village and almost one big city ( it was new camping, made by him ) and I was the one who stand up victorious, to be clear, yes he used his 20 lv ability ( Angel of vengeance ) and almost all his spellslots and I used my 1x cloud giant, 1x Hill giant and 1x storm giant rune ,2x my giants might and once action serge. He survived only by our wizard and bard that convinced me to spare him.

GLORY AND ENLARGE/reduce spell are the only way to double LOXODONS TRUNK CARRY CAPACITY OF 5x strength score THIS MAKES LOXODON A PUSH DRAG OR LIFT GOD Sheer field control just from strength.

Finally someone else appreciates Oath of the Crown as much as I do.

I was under the impression that the Crown paladin was one of the weakest paladins out there, but to each his own, I guess!!

5th!

All of the Oathbreaker problems can be fixed with a few levels of hexblade, and in the long run, oathbreaker 8/ hexblade 12 is insanely strong

@geongsi6991

3 жыл бұрын

but who really plays past level 10? unless your starting at level 20 already

@aldoushuxley5953

3 жыл бұрын

@@geongsi6991 yeah, that is just the final character. I wrote a guide for the multiclass: www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/tips-tactics/84444-the-hexadin-necromancer

Vengeance is strongest. It’s abilities are always good, you will rarely be out of options while still standing, and you will consistently lay the smackdown on your enemies.

This feels all over the place a s doesn’t make much sense to me. Also, I feel like you’re vastly overrating the high level features when they’ll barely of ever get played

I appreciate your philosophy to use Paladins in a more supportive role, but I must respectfully disagree with your assessment on the Crown Paladin. The subclass suffers from quite a bit of issues, especially once you dive into the details. Like you said, none of the Paladin subclasses are really weak, but I can't say the Crown shines much either. - Lvl 3: Turn the Tide - it's important to note the description says "that can hear you within 30 feet" - by RAW - someone who's unconscious is unaware of their surroundings. So unless you can convince a DM to rule it as such, technically you can't use this ability to bring your allies out of unconsciousness, which IMO is the greatest value of Healing Word and similar abilities in the first place (since the amount heal isn't huge). - Lvl 7: Divine Alliegance is just a worst version of the Oath of Redemption's lvl 7, which does the same thing but has a longer range and extends to 30' by level 18. - Lvl 15: Stun advantage is situational but very good, but the paralysis advantage is somewhat unnecessary when you'd probably want Freedom of Movement anyway (which is non-concentration). Still, good to have. - Lvl 20: The Wisdom saving throw adv. is mostly redundant with Hero's Feast, which a level 20 party should be using in abundance. Death Saving throws don't really happen at level 20 - people will either die from multi-hits once unconscious, or someone will pop them up with a healing word before the initiative goes around for the save to actually happen. If by some chance it does, what they gain out of advantage is almost minuscule, since they already add the +CHA to save from your aura (and with a level 20 CON mod, it should be a very easy DC 10 save even without proficiencies).

Yes I love the oath of the crown. And when I see forums and guides saying it's one of the weaker paladins I get a little sad 😔 thank you. My half orc oath of the crown paladin is amazing to play

@johnnewhouse5326

3 жыл бұрын

@sum body yeah I mostly play crown because the ability make me feel cool and I love the theme this class is trying to go for. Like turn the tide channel divinity I did this in the middle of a field hospital last game

So, as a DM I allow ranged smites because there is literally no reason for that not to be the case.

i like you, I would have continued watching but you didn't provide any visual clues with your discussion so I'm just left with a verbal comprehension, and i tune out without visual aids, maybe consider reformatting the video to include some text or graphs to show what you are rating and ranking while you talk about it. Or, maybe I am the only one?

So Clerics are weak to stay in front line and melee attack and must be supporting healing bots and best Paladins are the supporter ones and not DD and Tank?? Come on man

I have to say I do not like your list. Glory and Crown are far too high and Ancients is too low.

That’s weird someone playing pure paladin and calling it strong?

@StuffSayoSays

3 жыл бұрын

Compared to EVERY class, there are NO bad choices for Paladin subclasses compared to a lot of other classes. The base class it self is already strong and well built. It can tank, heal, and deal loads of damage. A Barbarian can tank and deal loads more damage but needs sustain to stay alive, Fighters can do almost everything a Paladin can, but falls short on sustain and healing, Clerics has a lot more healing and support since they are a full caster, but they can't out tank and out damage a Paladin Not to mention the aura effects Paladins provide for the party. And your Aura is on 24/7, no spell slots needed. No other class has a passive skill that is always active the helps the party by providing buffs or debuffs to the enemies. Paladins can just pick a role they want and stick to that. Already have a healer in the party? You'll be tanking in the front and doubling up on healing. Already have a beefy tank? Support that tank by healing and dealing to enemies faster. You have an amazing DPS doing loads of damage. Why not flank so that DPS can get advantage and deal more damage, and if one of you crits, you can show off how crazy strong you are too by unloading all your smite spells into the thing. BTW this is just BASE Paladin, no subclass features. Also level 20 cap stone skill for each subclass just makes any Paladin more versatile. So yes, it's a strong class over all. Strongest base class compared to every other class in 5E.

Well, i know you want to stay on palladin class but just one level of hexblade warlock and you can fix your low charisma issue.

@Jetpack7

3 жыл бұрын

Julian Esteban Verdier Hexblade paladins are brutal, but yes I do want to stay with pure Paladin here! Though I want to play that multiclass someday, no doubt.

Props to Clint Eastwood for being the master of playing an "Oath of Vengeance Paladin"

Okay I'm speaking as a expert on Paladin class I've played every archetype of paladin to 20th level in my opinion your list was right on some parts but way off from others. Here's my rankings and why for Paladins. Give me a thumbs up if you agree if this gets 100 thumbs up I'll look into making a video explaining my list. 8. Oath of the Crown the weakest capstone except for advantage on death saves. The only good thing about this archetype is Spirit Guardians 7. Oath of Conquest. {let me explain first} capstone is great but the main strength of this class being fear based is the main weakness of the class. If the campaign is ending before 10th level then this is a great class, however at higher level most enemies either have advantage vs fear or is immune to it. Which is why it's ranked 6th. 6. Oathbreaker (Talk to your DM about playing one) Necromancer spells are limited, it's 15th level ability sucks but the ability to control undead and to give yourself and undead you control a bonus to damage equal to your charisma modifier turn the tides capstone excellent. 5. Oath of Vengeance. (Don't hurt me on this one) great archetype amazing the reason why it's dead center is it's more of a solo minded paladin, great auras, good capstone, and other abilities which is meant to go 1v1 versus the big bads. 4. Oath of Redemption arguably one of the best non violent classes there is.great for the support paladin and the tank who's main actions is I use compelled duel on a enemy and then uses action to dodge High AC plus disadvantage to hit makes this a Defensive archetype 3. Oath of Glory Paladin Party friendly good auras (who couldn't benefit from movement) good channels and Gloriou Defense not only great to add to defense of not only yourself but ally who's in trouble but also a free attack as a reaction if it misses and an amazing capstone. A solid 3rd place 2. Oath of Devotion the stereotypical Paladin takes 2nd place in my opinion. Strong Auras Immunity to Charms, the ability to turn undead and fiends as well as giving yourself a magic weapon for a minute that adds Charisma to attack so if you wanted to max of your charisma take a great sword using the -5to atk +10 to DMG your able to with no penalties plus perminate Protection from good and evil at 15th level is powerful, and who can argue with 10pt of radiant damage to all enemies no saves every turn time it right as a scourge Aasimar you can to 20points of radiant damage. 1. Oath of the Ancients LEVEL 7 RESISTANCE TO SPELL DAMAGES ENOUGH SAID. Free death ward, and a great capstone this is the only archetype that my DM banned me from playing after DM casted meteor swarm my paladin had stone skin activated used his reaction to cast absorb elements (I got it via feat Magical Initiate) made the save and out of all that only took 5 points of damage.enough said. This is the best archetype Paladin is a S-tier class there is nio terrible archetypes for this class so take that oath at Level 1 and follow that oath to receive the benefits at Level 3. Just don't shove your beliefs down the party's throats.

@Mateking92

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Your DM (and you) should read the rules again, Stoneskin doesn't protect you from spell damage at all, and resistances doesn't stack either (PHB 197: ,,Multiple instances of resistance or vulnerability that affect the same damage type count as only one instance. For example, if a creature has resistance to fire damage as well as resistance to all nonmagical damage, the damage of nonmagical fire is reduced by half against the creature, not reduced by three-quarters."). Meteor swarm deals 40d6, so even if a miracle occurs and your DM throws 40 1's, and you make your DEX save, AND you have resistance to spell dmg, it's still 10 points of dmg.

@benmills4358

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@@Mateking92 ok I've just read the Errata on that and your right we was wrong so I should've taken 10 bludgeoning and 11 fire damage instead of 5 each

So.... never crunched the numbers huh? Not saying that's the be all and end all of the game, but if you're going to tier power level you should at least look at the numbers 😂😂