Honestly, the paladin being the That Guy tier also fits considering how many of them play Lawful Good, misunderstand the context of their oath/god, and thus giving us the classific Lawful Stupid meme.

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

The "Lawful Stupid" meme also comes from the fact that in early editions Paladins could only be Lawful Good and would lose their abilities if they broke from that alignment, and when combined with a punishing DM which used to be the norm in the Gygaxian era it meant that you kinda had to roleplay the class as a moral absolutist nut, lest you give the DM even the slightest excuse to take away your abilities and turn you into a weaker version of a fighter.

@Hungry_Raccoon_

Ай бұрын

I recently created an oath breaker lawful good paladin named grunduck. The reason behind his blind good nature is because he has 4 int and his race which is a very peaceful race. The reason he is an oath breaker is because he accidentally broke his oath without knowing it. He is currently level 4 and once he figures out he has undead related class features, he is going to do his absolute damndest to fix that. He punches things real good, and he tanks, thankfully he has a 16 wis so I don’t have to actually be stupid, he is a really long lived custom race so that is my reasoning behind his rather sometimes smart and correct statements, because he has seen it and experienced it before (he just doesn’t remember until he is experiencing it again lol) he currently has made the most gold in the party, having 450 gold at session 2, he proceeded to get a rad tattoo and now at session 5 has donated 350 gold to the nearest church which uses those funds to help the homeless and he still somehow had a 100 gold on him, until he bought an acid resistance potion because he is vulnerable to acid and we are fighting a acid wormling dragon. Our dm is adamant it is a TPK if we keep going but he doesn’t know the might of grunduck.

@belrevan1986

Ай бұрын

I always try to break the Lawful Good stereotype of the Paladin. But it very hard not to fall into the pitfalls. Oaths can be very restrictive

@KitsuneYojimbo

Ай бұрын

@@VestedUTuber If I remember correctly, the 1E version of the paladin was even more rigid, forbidding interaction with anyone even neutral aligned.

@thetruelizard5282

Ай бұрын

Just started playing an overzealous goblin paladin that's chaotic neutral, very fun

As a Monk main, I just like being really fast and doing back flips.

@veronwright1291

Ай бұрын

Same here but backflips but making every attack kicks

@ERBanmech

Ай бұрын

Parkour!!!

@user-jy1dv2zi3n

Ай бұрын

You also do the anime yell when you activate flurry of blows

@Damini368

Ай бұрын

I love the concept of pairing Monk levels with Paladin levels, giving you A) the ability to dodge in heavy armor as a bonus action, B) Access to Find greater steed for a flying mount, and C) Access to Slow Fall negating an amount of fall damage equal to 5x your Monk level So you can fly on your steed until you're over the enemy, drop off the steed taking no damage, and either dodge or use the bonus action on a Smite - I recommend Thunderous Smite so you can land with a big boom. Essentially a major defensive unit that launches themselves like a missile behind/into enemy lines

@michaelbarnard8529

Ай бұрын

I wanted to play monk just to imagine a Street Fighter fighting monsters. I had a half-ork that I based on Akuma.

The paladin/rogue multiclass (former criminal that took an oath of redemption but still has their criminal skills): "What? What did I do?"

@lauraw2526

Ай бұрын

Ngl I saw the thumbnail and thought it was going to be about multiclass stereotypes, with a 'paladin/rogue' at the top. And I was like... yeah, that makes sense.

@FromMan2Monkey-nb5fq

Ай бұрын

This is funny af to me cause my character I’ve been playing for a few years now was a redemption paladin rogue multiclass before we switched to pathfinder mid campaign.

Warlock being short rest dependent, doesn’t make them that guy. It is a mechanical issue that is built into the class, and thus something that a group/dm with a warlock player should respect.

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

Finally, someone who shares my view on the matter. Although I wouldn't call it an issue with the class, as martials have a similar problem. The problem really revolves around the traditional "adventuring day" format most player groups tend to do, and the perception of a short rest as literally taking a nap/meditating for races and classes that do that instead/otherwise doing absolutely nothing for an hour when RAW defines a short rest as simply non-strenuous activity.

@HappyCatholicDane

Ай бұрын

@@VestedUTuber The problem is also a short rest taking one hour, it should have been 10 or 20 minutes.

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

@@HappyCatholicDane Eh, in most cases the amount of time a short rest takes is of no actual significance, other than for roleplay purposes. You can really just fudge it in most situations. The only scenario when it actually matters is when you're on a time limit.

@HappyCatholicDane

Ай бұрын

@@VestedUTuber True, but the RP reasons aren’t inconsequential. It often feels wrong to short rest. But a good group will try to do it anyways, and a good dm will mostly allow it. However if the rules said 10 or 20 minutes, then it would be easier and more natural to do so.

@justinkennedy5271

Ай бұрын

From a roleplay perspective you should probably be taking at least one short rest per day that is most likely to be around midday while making a meal

Artificer love?

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

This tier list didn’t have it, but I’d say they are like a C tier. Usually it’s just a dude that wants to have gadgets. The only horror stories I hear is when they try to make every session an argument over physics.

@barrydheil

Ай бұрын

I enjoy playing my artificer in a way of "what if steampunk/ modern tech, but extremely efficient through the use of magic?" An example would be a steam powered vehicle that runs duper efficiently through the use of order fire. My character is also working on using something like gust of wind to make an early form of an air compressor.

@hamsterpixel

Ай бұрын

@lootgoblinmarketplace as an artificer main, I can confirm both these stereotypes.

@EDAN-VIRO

Ай бұрын

​@@lootgoblinmarketplaceloot goblin, more like cute goblin

Ive always wanted to play a 'proper Paladin'. Basically, i see Superman as thenperfect Paladin. The ultimate good guy who wants to help and protect others. I think itd be xool to play a Clark Kent-like role.

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

That does sound fun!

@MrPonchovie

21 күн бұрын

YES, paladins shouldn't be magical cops, they should be bastions of good will and go out of their way to help people and stuff

Ehhh barbarians can also be dumbasses that look for fights, are quick to murderhobo their way through campaigns, and can rage like children when they don't get their way... probably c tier minimum.

LOL. My 2 favorite classes are "That Guy." Maybe there's a reason I always end up GMing.... :D

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

You’ve become so powerful that you’ve hit the final form. The DM, if your party is in fear of you then it means you’re the ultimate that guy.

I'm considering making a gnome druid/rogue, not actually a thief but just a rather small and quiet character who isn't noticed only because she doesn't leave much of an impression. More of a druid than a rogue, and uses her wild shape to turn into a mouse to scurry around and sneak most times, or escape bonds. I call her Dór, or Door Mouse, essentially a mouse themed character.

Personally, I feel like the wizard could be bumped up to A. "I didn't ask how big the room was, I said 'I CAST FIREBALL!'"

@Trapsarentgay133

Ай бұрын

And the sorcerer follows up with twinned fireball just to be sure

@edersonnico

Ай бұрын

That looks more like a sorcerer behaviour. Most of people don't play as an evocation blaster wizard. Most use a divination wizard with a lot of utility/support.

@Lordmewtwo151

Ай бұрын

@@edersonnico Fair, but that doesn't change the fact that that behavior is more associated with wizards than sorcerers for some reason.

@corbanbausch9049

Ай бұрын

@@edersonnico and even then, evocation blasters don’t have to worry about anyone else, as their fireball doesn’t hurt the party.

@leah-es1ll

25 күн бұрын

@@Trapsarentgay133 fireball can't be twinned

Ah yes, classic tier list structure, the worst at the top

Where is Artificer?

@nightdweller2902

Ай бұрын

Artificer is probably B tier because they always want to build things or manipulate magic items and it's either something cool that helps the party in a fun creative way or they just want to build a nuke.

@CoppermineTypeK

Ай бұрын

Banned by the DM

@ataraxianAscendant

Ай бұрын

artificer isn't real

@easiestcc6451

Ай бұрын

@@ataraxianAscendant Yes it is. It's in Tasha's Cauldron Of Everything

@easiestcc6451

Ай бұрын

@@CoppermineTypeK DMs who do that either just suck at worldbuilding or suck at combat balancing. Artificers do not explicitly have to be technology related.

How can the bard not be #1? 🤣 I know its subjective, but for me horny bard is way more annoying then lawful stupid paladin. And id put rogue before paladin also because lawful stupid is less annoying the chaotic stupid, in my opinion. Also id switch fighter and barbarian, I don't know any bad stereotype for a fighter.

Very silly tier list, but I like it. Missed out on a class or two, but you covered the basics at least.

As a Ranger main, I just like being split caster/martial and being the one to make sure the party doesn't get lost... again.

7:30 yeah I see a lot of sorcerers get argumentative swearing up and down that they can use twin cast and quickened spell to cast 3 fireballs per turn instead of 1

@Trapsarentgay133

Ай бұрын

May or may not have had that argument with my dm several times

@Rabidconscience

Ай бұрын

@@Trapsarentgay133 XD. Did they set you straight? Is that where you got the username?

@Elias-ej6de

Ай бұрын

But can you just not cast 2 level spells in the same turn ?

@Rabidconscience

Ай бұрын

@@Elias-ej6de well yeah that’s my point. But also not exactly. it is more complicated than that. It’s one of the most argued about rules and for good reason. Technically, you cannot cast another leveled spell during the same turn that you cast a BONUS ACTION spell. (In fact, you couldn’t cast reaction cantrips if they get introduced either. Only action cantrips) Additionally, twin spell does let you duplicate spells, but only single target spells. The combination of these two rules are what make sorcerers only able to cast fireball once per turn, but I’ve encountered many sorcerers who refuse to acknowledge this and try to make 3 fireballs in one turn. Interestingly, the spell limitation rule does not retrain you from casting multiple spells per turn if you don’t cast a bonus action spell. This means that reaction spells are fair game if you already cast an action spell, but not if you had cast a bonus action spell. Another peculiarity is that the bonus action limitation on spells applies even if the bonus action spell was a cantrip like magic stone, Amusingly, a spellcaster can take a two level dip in fighter for action surge to cast 2 action spells in the same turn, and of course use their reaction to cast a third spell like absorb elements or shield, to cast 3 spells in a turn. .

As a game master, the "That Guy" of my players was not the Rogue. The Rogue was a bit slimy and occasionally swindled the Barbarian by making him believe he was "managing his money", but that was more funny than annoying. No, "that guy" was the fighter. He min-maxed his character so much that he was sometimes one-shotting bosses, and was kind of a murder hobo, keeping the loot for himself, playing the rules lawyer etc... Funny to hear about the stereotypes ahah

@DellikkilleD

Ай бұрын

so, your fighter played right, and you find that bad? weird

@oscarcapac1786

Ай бұрын

@@DellikkilleD the problem is not that his character was powerful. Depriving the group of a fun bossfight by one-tapping it is bad, but I had some ways to prevent it most of the time. But when a player is too try-hard and tries to screw over the rest of the group to keep ahead of the curve, and also wants to kill everything with a life bar for that sweet exp, it's obviously annoying

@futuza

Ай бұрын

​@@DellikkilleDare we supposed to give the fighters all the loot? I must've missed that in my D&D orientation.

So, some of the stereotypes that might have not been mentioned here: Barbarian: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. A lot of Barbarian players are chill, but sometimes you see one that has taken the class to heart. It's rare enough that there's no change in tier, though. Bard: "I roll to seduce the dragon", "I roll to seduce the guard", "I roll to seduce the door". Even if they're not the kind of Bard that SAs the other players, they can often still be VERY horny. It's blatantly obvious that this is the kind of player Balder's Gate 3 was designed for. No change IMO, as while this kind of bard can still be very annoying, if the group is fine with it it can sometimes lead to hilarious, if awkward, situations. Cleric: I've seen a lot of people stereotype clerics as disengaged healbots, tierwhores or "only playing it because no one else will and we need a healer". The first one, the "disengaged healbot" is honestly a dead stereotype, I've seen more people go so out of their way to avoid the stereotype that they actually refuse to heal even when it would be beneficial. The second, "tierwhore", is a bit more difficult to shake because it's more of a perception than something the player actually does. Cleric is a very good class, I'd even argue they're THE best class from an objective, mechanical point of view. And some people play it because of that. And unfortunately, that kinda results in other people developing an association bias. Finally, going back to the "disengaged healbot" stereotype, that's also the cause of the third stereotype, "only playing it because no one wants to and we need a healer". First off, you don't _actually_ need a healer unless the DM is designing their encounters, loot and campaign around having one i.e. having really tough, grueling encounters, not giving healing items as loot and disincentivizing short rests. Secondly, even if you do, there are other classes that can do the job. Paladin and Celestial Warlock immediately come to mind. I think there might be a Monk subclass as well. Plus many classes have some sort of healing ability so you can always spread the healing duties around. IMO I'd bump it to A and attach a "stereotypes don't necessarily reflect reality" disclaimer to this placement. Druid: Circle of the Moon has its own stereotype that I won't elaborate on for fear of extremely hateful replies. No change. Fighter: Boring. No, I'm not saying your take is boring, the stereotype is that fighters are boring. Which is honestly VERY undeserved. However, the Champion subclass VERY MUCH deserves this. Every other fighter subclass gets all these awesome class features, and what does the Champion get? Improved crit rate. That's it. And that's all it gets until level 10 when it can take a second fighting style. And if the campaign goes long enough for the champion to reach level 15, they get an additional buff to their crit rate. It doesn't help that people who play fighter champion also typically end up giving their character the personality of cardboard. I'm not saying _every_ fighter champion is like that, but a lot are. But that's not the class's fault, that's the player's fault. No change. Monk: I've actually not heard of the whole "they're either very restrictive or go out of their way to defy the stereotype" thing with Monks. What I see a lot of with monks is people trying to recreate various shonen protagonists. And to be fair, Monk does very heavily play into doing so. Heck, there is a Monk subclass that literally gives you a stand from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. So really, the stereotype is "weeb". But this is another case where the class stereotype is the fault of the players, not the class. Sure, the class does kind of allow for anime-esque shenanigans but you can do that in a tasteful manner. But some people go too far with it. IMO this _would_ bump Monk to C tier but it's not the fault of the class, so no change. Paladin: Yeah, Lawful Stupid is the main thing I can think of. Also "edgelord" and "tierwhore" for oathbreakers. No change. Ranger: I'm surprised there's even any horror stories for this class, because few people play it. And sadly, that's because the base class and its subclasses are extremely situational and don't fit the typical adventure style and the alternate options are just mediocre. There are classes that do ranger things but better. Druid pretty much trivializes survival with Goodberry. Pact of the Chain Warlock and Circle of the Shepherd Druid both do the whole "minion master"/"Pokemon Trainer" thing better. IMO this class should be D tier, because even though it can occasionally cause problems those problems rarely have a chance to happen. Rogue: ...yeeeahhhh. Seriously, when you have a horror story not involving SA, it's almost ALWAYS the rogue. And they're also almost always chaotic stupid. No change. Sorcerer: Narcissists. Yeah, that's the stereotype I've seen with them. Although, in all honestly that's a case of people projecting the character's personality onto the player. There's also the typical charisma character stereotypes, which are most commonly seen with the Bard, but honestly I think you got the big one. No change. Warlock: I'd love to go on and on about how the short rest issue is a symptom of a larger problem with the "adventuring day" format so many player groups insist on using and how it's not exclusive to warlocks, but this is about stereotypes so I'll stick to that. Anyway, the other big stereotype with Warlock is "edgelord", and especially a "devil worshiping nightmare edgelord who will inevitably betray the party". Honestly, out of all the stereotypes, this one is the worst in terms of how WRONG it is. Sure, you can _technically_ make a warlock like that. If you roleplay a Fiend Warlock to the letter of how it's described in the rulebook, without ANY reflavoring, you DO end up with a devil worshiping nightmare edgelord who will inevitably betray the party. But that's only one of many options. Your patron can be a celestial, the complete opposite. Your patron can be an archfey, who runs on "bacon and necktie" morality rather than black-and-white. Your patron can literally be Azathoth's grand uncle, who might not even know you exist or that you're tapping into their power. Your patron can be a sentient weapon, who's really just in it for the ride. And even if you _do_ go the fiend route, you don't have to make it a Faustian bargain. Heck, I've read a story of a Fiendlock who's patron was a succubus with a mommy kink, said patron ended up becoming the party's team mom. It was actually quite wholesome despite seeming a bit "magical realm"-y at first. No change. Wizard: "I didn't ask how big the room is. I said I cast fireball!" Automatic S tier IMO, this is the only class who's worst stereotype is "has a very nasty tendency to TPK because of a stupid action". I know the sorcerer can do this too but it's always been associated with the wizard.

@KitsuneYojimbo

Ай бұрын

Obviously, the other wizard stereotype, even if it has nothing to do with the players is the "dies of 1d4 damage."

@AtelierGod

Ай бұрын

Cleric: I didn’t put Spirit guardians on this spell list but I might as well use it. Seriously though when the strongest concentration spells are put before the cleric and then given 10 minutes of uptime not using it is quite literally shooting yourself in the foot. Moon Druid: I didn’t pick this subclass because it’s mechanically strong, I just want to transform into cool dinosaurs and treat my enemies as prey. No seriously that’s the only reason. Wizard: I didn’t ask how big the room is, I cast Gravity Sinkhole.

@troybaxter

Ай бұрын

To answer your cleric-monk question, the subclass is Way of Mercy. My friend plays it and he routinely uses his chiropractic medicine to heal us. He is also straight recreating Breaking Bad right now.

@Lordmewtwo151

Ай бұрын

Ironic about the Wizard. The only class with the stereotype about the TPK because of a stupid action is one of TWO classes with INTELLIGENCE as its central stat.

@xolotltolox7626

Ай бұрын

Cleric is top tier, but not anywhere near best class 1 is Wizard without competition 2 is Druid 3 i'd say is where cleric falls

Is it bad that i try to rotate and try out various classes, but end up gravitating specifically to just about all of the A-S tier classes here and not many others?

as a barbarian and monk main, i just like being able taking a hit naked or thow hands

I played a Dwarf Paladin, Oath of Glory. He was the opposite of that guy. He was the supportive Gym Bro. He worshipped Hanseath, the dwarf god of drinking and merriment. I had reflavored his Lay on Hands to be him offering his homebrew beer as healing. Many great shenanigans were had with that paladin, and I would play that character again if offered the opportunity.

I'm the Paladin at my table, and my DM has ironically called me out for being too *passive* as a Paladin. Even temporarily lost my powers for a few sessions because of it. I think it was an overcorrection on my end because I *never* wanted to be *that guy* when it comes to a fictional faith, or my real one.

Luved it, I think more personal stuff goes better with the channel, take into account that i'm totally biased

I main Barbarian because I like taking down doors and then using saaid doors as a tower shield.

@tomaschavez6382

Ай бұрын

No, you have to throw your allies at the enemy 😢

Ranger is definitely “That Guy” from my experience. Either trying to control the rest of the party, putting their animal companion’s needs above the party’s safety, or doing the most horrible things because “they just don’t care about the expectations of society”. Often worse than the rogue.

It’s funny you say sorcerer and warlock are powergamers. Be ause i only realized my current character i wanna try playing with is a drow entertainer sorceress. Sorry, wall of text below. I wanted a bit of a starry dancer, because dancing lights with the dark black/blue/grey skin (whichever i roll for lmao) would probably accent well, especially if i also casted Faerie fire, both of which a drow gets inherently. I figured i could add more variety to the starry dance routine, so I looked through conjuration spells and found melf’s minute meteors and crown of stars, and realized i needed a space themed sorcerer. I picked aberrant mind over lunar, because she can cast faerie fire without words (in case the dm gets rulish) to light herself and the minute meteors, enhancing the dance. It wasn’t until a few weeks later that i realized you get a silent Mind Sliver naturally too, and so i figured “i can just swap it out based on the needs of the group and campaign”. But otherwise, the character just needs a good reason to go from being a dancer and fire eater to having aberrant telepathic sorcery. I was thinking a placid lake which reflected another dimension, but it feels a bit odd. Definitely need narrative help. The real problems i have are these: i struggle to communicate when i get frustrated, it’s not mature to act like that, and secondly i’ve not had the chance to run on any dnd campaign, so i don’t know how good at roleplay i’d be, and i’m not getting any better. I got close but i got really mad playing MtG with one group with all the crazy cards i was new to. I did my best to apologize before we really stopped talking, so i feel like i was able to remedy what i could, but it was a tough lesson in patience. Been working patience for a while since, i might be ready to try again soon, i won’t grow or learn from my mistakes if i just quit after one failure. Basically i probably play like a bard but prefer sorcerer. I don’t need a short rest i have a crossbow for a reason. I just hope the party artificer mods my crossbow bolts to help him and the rogue get up the tower, and then with my 120ft of darkvision, i can telepath a warning to them if i see a guard. Or i can just pass my bolts off to someone else and whack people with a stick between spells, that sounds kinda funny

i play kalashtar paladin, as the shield or tank of the party i ensure that the most vulnerable members are protected even if i die and gotta get another character sheet.

In my current campaign, all of use despite none of us being rogues (sorc+barb+cleric) were joking about multiclassing to rogue with how much we hoard treasure and greed for items, especially the cleric.

I had this campaign where I was DM and there was this cleric who would just attack every living being that came on theri path. He was like te main character and is player name was character as well. Based on my experience I would put cleric in at least A tier, maybe even S.

ranger, being the love child between druid and fighter, in the same tier as druid and fighter, is great lol

You actually helped me realise I’m kind of being “that guy” with my rogue and now I can be a better player to hang around in my next session.

@FromMan2Monkey-nb5fq

Ай бұрын

W self development

What about Blood Hunter? I could see that class having annoying stereotypes, possibly sharing some with rogue.

there is something about Charisma that attracts players who try to bogard the table

My first character was a paladin and I thought it was the funest thing ever. Your held to a standard and that you must uphold. You aren’t meant to be some constant slayer of evil but just a really good and caring person :)

F is forgotten tier and that’s where the artificer is😂

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

True, you can throw gunslinger and blood hunter in there too!

@2ripped

Ай бұрын

I mean, they're not in the game. Mystic too. Arcana and HB are not​ the shit

As a paladin player myself... Fair.

Bard I would absolutely put in "That Guy" territory. As the Paladin, Rogue, and Bard make the unholy trifecta of Bad D&D Stereotypes associated with the classes. Paladin: Rules Lawyering and Lawful Stupid Rogue: Edgy Loner and Stealing From the Party Bard: Respecting Zero Boundaries and Sexual Harassment

Monster Hunter icons for DND classes is a great idea

This video makes me feel good that my favorite classes are druid ranger and monk 😌

8:20 is it even possible to play a warlock with a non-evil deity? Like the basic patrons are fiend, great old one and archfey. Which is basically choosing between lawful evil, chaotic evil or chaotic neutral. And the whole idea of a pact is basically you being forced to complete tasks and serve your patron in exchange for the power (unlike a cleric or paladin who can just heed the morals). Unlike them they can be 'good' under an evil patron, so they don't need to be evil, but do 'serve' something evil.

@TerrasScourge

2 күн бұрын

When it comes to the Great Old Ones, the creature is usually so alien that it doesn’t know or care that someone has made a pact with it. Not all warlocks must serve the patron: Curwen drawing power from Yog-Sothoth in The Case of Charles Dexter Ward is one of these, and likely one of the things the class is based on anyway.

I mostly play Paladin all the time and agree with this list. I'm kinda chill and tank damage while supporting my allies so they can do the cool stuff. If I play Sorcerer, I'm starting 2 levels in Paladin anyway so I don't die and can cast spells in full plate armor. If I play Fighter, it's a Dexterity/Charisma based Battle Master with Rally/Riposte which has actually been the most fun character to play so far.

We did a one shot where each of us had to make 5 characters and there were different trials and our characters had to split up to handle them. I based my 5 off of LFG’s characters. Richard the Warlocl, Cale the Ranger, etc. When we faced the final boss and beat it, I was the only one left with all 5 characters still alive. A chest appeared and all the other players had their wounded and tired characters check it out. I had to shout over the group to get everyone’s attention. When they were finally listening I muttered 3 words that made the GM laugh. “Richard casts Fireball.”

@jm6456

Ай бұрын

Lfg?

As a palidin, the rouge killed a party npc. I had to kill him for murder, then another player that attacked me, and i had to kill them. For the rest of the campaign, the other players kept joking that i would kill them if they misbehaved.

I reckon this as good of a place to ask as any, does anybody know where i can learn D&D? Never played before but im a writer so the idea of making a campaign sounds fun, but I'd like to play a few campaigns and find a group first so i can really give it my all

Damn and i love the warlock class too

I main wizard and rogue and i fully agree, tho i tend to play rogue mechanically but reflavour it with my favorite being barbarian multiclass cause yelling "SNEAK ATTACK!" to get sneak attack is funny to me. And wizard players in my experience tend to either be very good or very bad

Personally I’ve usually had scribes wizards as “that guy”. Not sure if it’s just a theme but many players who are scribes wizards that I’ve played with have been stuck up snobs

It's interesting that all the "good" classes by stereotype are the ones you'd most expect to find comfortable sitting around a fire in the wilderness, avoiding the drama and conflict of cities. A sample party could be a druid leader on some sort of broad long-term mission with their ranger companion, teamed up with a grizzled fighter who got sick of the army and, having worked and gotten along with the ranger in the past, was approached by them with an offer of employment as agreeable muscle. They encountered and healed a wounded barbarian who felt indebted and joined them for the time being, and later shared a fire with a wandering monk who, appreciating the druid's commitment to balance and the martial skills of the others, decided to accompany the party as a learning opportunity and exercise in personal growth. It could be a solid party, too - spellcasting and healing from the druid, a multitude of useful skills from the ranger (plus a potential animal companion), tanking or damage potential from the fighter, a heavy-hitter barbarian and then a potential DEX tank or additional melee heavy-hitter in the monk. Fun to play, capable of completing quests and solid in the RP department.

About to play a game with 2 paladins, a rogue, a bard, and a druid lol

Currently in my party we have a Chaotic Good Fighter who is "That Guy".

I can sum up why I like fighter in just a meme: You play fighter because you want to be the over the top military man, I play fighter because I enjoy being the completely normal guy in a world full of wizards, dragons, and literal demons. We are not the same. In all seriousness though for me it's got that zero to hero appeal, being the normal dude who triumphs in the face of overwhelming adversity. It's way cooler to me to be the regular person who risks his life going toe to toe with deadly monsters than it is to be the Wizard who just goes "I cast Fireball" and vaporizes them.

Woo! Brabarian! Let's go!

When I first started out, The Monk class was sold to me as the class that let me be an DBZ character, lol.

I'm breaking the rogue stereotype so hard every time when I play it as I somehow find my self the most reasonable person in the party, trying to keep everything going smoothly.

I mostly agree with the list. Your reasoning is sound. Any stories that disrupt this usually are the sex pests and weeb types. No, these two aren't the same thing. They do go hand in hand at times. Mostly from people not seeing where a line is drawn.

with the games ive run, ive had the druid - has a habit of accidently finding novel ways around problems the wizard - accidently keeps insta-killing people with really good rolls the paladin - wants to be the muscle of the party but the dice gods keep saying no the artificer - prone to being a murder hobo

I have been a that guy paladin in the past, but more for their ability detect evil. Was very absolutist on if you came up evil then thats it, you are my enemy and must die, if not now then when i get stronger.

What does it says about me that my 3 favourite classes are rogue (s), wizard (b) and barbarian (d)

Ngl, I main Druid and often multiclass into Monk. (I’d play ranger if it was…. Better. My first one shot I did ranger and it wasn’t as fun to play.) I just really like the love of nature and the mixture of “wise man”. It also lends well to a backstory of why the character became a monk and when you mix with something like a spore Druid with their belief that undead are just as necessary to the “circle of life” it can make a really compelling character with a lot of useful tools for the dm to work with. With that said, I’m kind of the hippie in the group. So I feel like I am the type of person who IS the stereotype for those classes lol

That moment when you're a Paladin main... aww man...

I’m a wizard player. Talking to me about being prepared haha… hahaha… ha… oh boy…

Being a paladin and rogue player fighting for my life rn

Calling the Rogue a "That Guy" man I'd punch you if you had any healing potions left! ;)

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

He's not saying that Rogues are "That Guys", he's saying that _stereotypical_ Rogues are "That Guys".

@AtlasNL

Ай бұрын

Are you dim? Did you even listen to the video?

Interestingly, I've never actually seen anyone follow the stereotype with the bard.

my interpretation of the wizard is that they're the cool guys that have been playing the game the longest. they can be rule lawyers at times but are generally cool.

Look, my paladin is only the center of drama because other people won't stop getting involved in his romance with the werewolf NPC we adopted.

I think Druid should be higher, I think they are up there with paladin for the enforcing their ideals on others, whenever players want to do something that would kill an animal or hurt a forest they can get draw the same line that paladins draw when you want to steal from a shop

Fighter: "Bonk?" Barbarian: "Yes, yes bonk." Both: "BONK!"

I think I would describe myself as a multiclass main, cause while I make roughly even use of all classes it’s almost never as a single class character

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

But have you ever made an Abserd Character? (misspelling is intentional if you're not familiar)

but where does Artificer fall? it feels like the Artificer is constantly being forgotten

I mostly agree with this, though i do think the idea of paladins sticking to their oath being bad is a bit unfair, they literally have to or they become an oath breaker, but i do understand that this is about how that can manifest negatively, and considering how i do hear about people who apply thier oaths too structly then yeah i get it What i dont get is getting on warlock for asking for short rests, like, that's an issue of their class basically not functioning unless they take a short rest after every combat, seems unfair to get onto them about wanting to be able to do more than cast eldritch blast, which is the big stereotype of warlocks, it's EB, the class

where uh.. where does artificer place here..?

as someone who plays barbarian i become the most stupid person on the planet i ate a rock disguised as a head of lettuce.

No mention of Artificer?

What about artificier?

I feel like the stereotypical Bard is that guy. Flirting with everything and taking nothing seriously gets old so fast

Artificer and Bloodhunter have left the chat

I tend to play barbarian and monk, but have a weakness for bards and rogues so i'm the best of both worlds lmao

When I play I am in order of preference Paladin, Rogue, Warlock.... Makes sense why I seem to be forever DM instead, I was the baddy all along.

As a Paladin main, I agree that the Rogue is the problem. I also feel compelled to say that they hate us because they ain't us. I will never stop playing the good guy hero, for I have sworn an oath. Deception & stealth are for the weak & cowardly. I will smite all evildoers. Cleric mains don't listen to him crusadeing heretics is good. Also, i intend to unite all warlocks with their patrons.

My favourite class is Sorcerer and that's inaccurqte you put us next to Bard and Warlock. I think Sorc should be behind cleric even Good video tho

Heh. A group I DM for consists of a Paladin, a Rogue, a Sorcerer and a Warlock. Great! 2 S-tiers and 2 A-tiers! Winning combo! Luckily, my players are behaving like actual decent functioning adults, so it does work. Therefore, the Paladin - Oath of Protection from the GM Binder - is the party dad. The Rogue - Arcane Trickster - has a beautiful backstory of a Mafia Boss kid and wizard granddad and is super fun. The Sorcerer - Homebrew Feyborn - combines the Changeling stories with all the Fey unhingedness and is a damn chaos goblin, but manages to not steal the spotlight so much to be annoying and actually takes us for a ride, And the Warlock - Archfey Patron, played by my wife - is this "quiet and brooding" type, but - again - still enough of a team player to make the game work.

You Sir, clearly have never played with a friendly-fire Fireball spam wizard…

Personally I'd put barbarian in S tier. Not only have I seen way too many horror stories of barbarian's using stupidity as an excuse to do whatever they want at the party's expense, but playing with someone who's using the stereotypical "dumb caveman barbarian" has been actively horrible in my experience.

What happens when you multiclass paladin and rogue or monk and barbarian?

@VestedUTuber

Ай бұрын

Paladin + Rogue is the step before becoming a DM from Hell. Unless they're Oathbreaker, ironically. Then they're just going for MAXIMUM EDGE. Monk + Barbarian actually bumps up to C because of how the classes conflict with each other significantly, which combined with the Monk's complexity makes it a headache to work through. As a result, players who play this combination are either being super-fluffy and don't care about effectiveness, which is normally not a problem but in this case can cause their character to effectively be baggage, or they're relatively new to the game, don't understand why Monk+Barb doesn't generally work well, and are now stumbling through the campaign trying to simply figure out how to even make their character work. In the case of the newbie, though, I wouldn't be too hard on them, they're already on the receiving end of a crash course on why multiclassing beyond maybe two levels of fighter for Action Surge and access to better armor is generally a bad idea for newer players.

@absolutleynotanalien8096

Ай бұрын

@@VestedUTuber Yes but Tortle. Tortle makes barbarian/rogue potentially viable.

I’m playing a monk/rogue multiclass… so does that make me “That decent guy”

As a rogue, edgelord weebs give the jovial, gentleman thief/Asterion type players a bad names

Rogue at the top? I'm cooked

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

It’s okay, we forgive you. As long as you didn’t hide loot from the others!

I’ll give you one reason why Warlock belongs on top of S tier. Hexblade.

The real trouble with the stereotypical paladin and rogue comes when they're in the same party. The paladin feels duty-bound to stop the rogue from stealing all the things or randomly stabbing people. In earlier editions, they might be afraid that turning a blind eye to the rogue's shenanigans would be a violation of their oath. So when Lawful Stupid paladin and Chaotic Psycho rogue meet, the party goes down in flames.

I love Paladins, and I hate that they have some of the worst stereotypes. Pretty sure I listened to a DnD horror story about a Paladin player, who didn't like to roleplay. He just wanted combat. A Paladin player...who didn't want to roleplay...That breaks my mind. Paladins are one of the biggest RP classes in the game. If you just want to bonk, the Barbarian or Fighter is right there.

I am paladin main cuz I just want to protect my team, heal them etc I love bulky armors and healing and I am also charismatic so I just have to play the paladin.

@deborahbarkley9055

Ай бұрын

Me too, except for the charismatic part. I like to take care of my party.

I’m a cleric main because somebody has to do it

Considering that the monk is the most underpowered class and the kensei gunk is the absolute best version of them, I think its fine to ask to be a gunk as long as your dm has guns in their setting.

@DiamondHD_

Ай бұрын

Calling monks "gunks" is so funny. Please don't change it

@mr.fufucudlypoops8207

Ай бұрын

@DiamondHD_ gunk is a portmanteau of gun and monk. Kensei gunk is a monk that uses guns that uses needs the kensei class features to work. It's probably the best pure martial build in the game. And it also has a very funny name.

@DiamondHD_

Ай бұрын

@@mr.fufucudlypoops8207 ooh I have never heard of that, it sounds cool

@mr.fufucudlypoops8207

Ай бұрын

@DiamondHD_ very cool. If your dm allows guns, play it immediately. It's super fun. It's about the closest thing to john wick that you can play in dnd.

Hello, paladin main here. You're right, there's way too many lawful stupid paladins. I think the issue comes from people thinking that paladins are just a way for them to go around doing "protagonist" things without any consequences. After all, paladins (depending on the oath) are warriors of virtue according to the PHB, so the class in their eyes has the hidden ability to be always justified so long as they don't do something obviously against their oath. But an oath is neither a blessing nor a weapon. Rather, it is a commitment to serve something greater than onesself, and a sacrifice of one's own desires in pursuit of a more ideal world. Do you think a Paladin of the Ancients would be immune to the suffocating isolation that comes with her charge to protect a forgotten grove? Do you think a Paladin of Vengeance could ever feel safe starting a family and laying down his weapons when his oath demands he forever wage his personal war against the nation who burned his parents at the stake? My point is that paladins are still people, and while they are meant to be exceptionally determined and strong of personality, one should remember that a living, thinking person cannot be fully described by a series of tennets listed under an oath. That fact alone will always lead to conflict and character development. Do better, paladins, and make interesting characters that are fun for your party and DM to interact with!

As a Monk main I'm a simple man I wanna do cool shit and punch people like in Anime... Whoever as a Bard main also... I too do some stuff like in those Anime... lol

I find the slight colour fade when your avatar changes pose to be super distracting out of the corner of my eye, more so in fact than if the cut from pose A to pose B happened instantly without anything to mask it. Goblin pls fix

@lootgoblinmarketplace

Ай бұрын

So that comes with the program that I was testing out. I can try and find a non-fade alternative

For me what ya said bout barbarian true, I main him course 3 reasons: easy, useful, not much RP needed.

Honestly paladin and rogue are basically opposite sides of the same coin when it comes to roleplay which is why I try to play them way different then their stereotype. Which i find weird for rogue cause mechanically they are great for teamplay and I've basically decided i no longer play them as edgy assassin's creed and more like a party bro that wants to help his friends. feel like bard should be that guy too. They just make people feel awkward and force people to be part of their dating sim.

Me who is currently playing a Paladin/Rogue Inquisitor O.O