I love your Ranger's Natural Explorer because I love choosing an ability to make my character more unique. Reminds me of Warlock and Artificer who have a list of Invications and Infusions that makes it so that you can have two Warlocks or two Artificers in a party with each one being totally different from the other.

Dude! You have never been more RIGHT! your breakdown of the one DnD ranger was on point. Yours/Pagnabros version is far superior!

My table uses your Ranger. 1st vid I saw of your channel and have not regretted it since.

Not sure if you've checked it out but you should see LaserLlama's revised ranger. The part of that ranger that I wholeheartedly believe should be part of ranger is what he called survival knacks, which are essentially survival themed invocations. This method allows the ranger to gain additional features as they level that fit the style of ranger that is being played.

Hey coach, great to see you taking a look at the rangers "new" features. xD For my captsone of Foe Slayer, the target marked by Foe Slayer 'Which is not concentration on my end' requires a Charisma saving throw or become vulnerable to all damage dealt by the ranger until the end of turn. Something akin of a ranger really knowing all weaknesses and being able to find new ones in all monsters it comes across.

@BurgerDrawz

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That's a cool idea. My group developed homebrew magic items that operate similarly: Creatures do not benefit from any resistance to damage dealt by [magic weapon], and any immunity to that damage is treated as resistance instead.

I understand that Favored Foe from this and Tasha’s cauldron is trying to be more universal, But I feel they lose out on the fantasy of being a ranger. Favored Enemy really Invoked the feeling of being an expert tracker, someone who’s extremely knowledgeable on certain types of creature.

@emmettmay8704

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I remember GiffyGlyph did a Favoured Enemy variant that granted a bonus spell based on the chosen type of creature- undead granted Guiding Bolt, plants granted Burning Hands, giants granted Jump, etc. I always thought it was odd that Favoured Enemy didn't make you any better at fighting your chosen foe, but a bonus spell that's thematically tied to the choice seemed fun to me.

@Evelyn-rb1zj

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I wouldn't mind a bit of a combat bonus with favoured enemy but I'd rather a knowledge feature as is than a damage boost that a) require concentrations and b) has no flavour seriously I would much rather Favoured Foe be something that evoked that expert idea maybe it could be a non concentration boost but required the ranger to spend a certain amount of time (maybe a minute or a certain dc survival or other another appropriate ability check to do it more quickly?) analysing the creature to figure out where best to hit it or something so it would have the feel of someone watching the target to find it's vital points or the weak point in it's armour or something (so it keeps with the original pseudo Hunter's mark vibe but instead of being aided by a spell it's the ranger's training and expertise with hunting creatures) if it was like that I might actually consider taking it instead but as written I'm taking the original every time because the flavour is just better (I feel like the time or ability check is important to keep the feature feeling distinct enough from something like sneak attack and honestly it feels like it could be added to the original favoured enemy and that is more of a passive boost that either just applies or the time/dc required for the chosen creature type could be lower) I'm also mad that rangers don't get ritual casting because it feels like it should be a thing they can do (seriously you can't tell me it's not rangery to ritual cast spells)

Ranger's have lost a lot of flavor in OneDND. Give them something on theme! Also, why don't rangers have access to find familiar and find steed spells?

@fasthandshero85

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Hot take : flavor is up to you and your dm not mechanics! You can make anything have a “ranger” theme! Warrior ranger, Paladin ranger, rogue ranger. Def a power rangers joke in there.

@jessethevosikan

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@@fasthandshero85 That's been a popular hot take. I don't like it because you make the ranger feel too much like a rogue variant. If flavor was all up to you and your DM, Bards and Sorcerer should be the same class.

@fasthandshero85

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Personally, they only have a few differences in mechanics. Both are charisma spell casters. Meta magic and expertise/bardic inspiration + tailored spell lists gave them their uniqueness. I think expertise and this enhanced casting will allow you to make some really custom flavorful specialized rangers! Who are the best at tracking, moving stealthily, hunting, handling animals, ect…. Then an entire spell list to choose from not some curated shell of a list that makes 2-3 options the best, not you get a plethora of options to make your character flavorful and unique!

I hope the OneDnD Rangers have flavor added back into their ability descriptions but otherwise I’m pleased with the features it has now. I agree with Coach: leave their spell slots alone. Hunter’s Mark could be a number of times per day equal to Wisdom or Proficiency and I like Coach’s version that scales. Fade Away (or whatever it’s called) can just be once per short rest I think. I’m personally more a fan of the Tasha features over the original ones so I’m fine with those as they are. For that lvl 20 I can’t help but think of some sort of legendary huntsman idea. Perhaps the ranger can draw on their primal connection or on ancestral knowledge to better attune themselves to their surroundings to kill their foes/prey. Perhaps things like their movement can’t be reduced, crit range increases on a marked creature, just ideas or things that enhance their base kit for a time. Anything that takes what the ranger does and cranks it to eleven.

@benjaminholcomb9478

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Favored terrain, but you get to choose when you activate it. Maybe with a secondary buff that acts like DC's favored terrain. Something akin to the Palladin subclass capstones. That way you can morph into a legendary, powerful ranger, once it maybe twice a day.

thank you for this video. i have a new ranger in my group and i feel prepared now.

Ranger has always been my favorite class even with all the obstacles to playing them and keeping up with other players. I would love to see your new take on one!

More ranger sign me in! As for a capstone features I tried two thing at my table, the first was a "supercharged" hunter's mark debuffing the enemy and the other was for a more magically oriented ranger, it would bring out it's "domain" (favored terrain) in a certain radius around him to gain all sorts of bonuses.

Went and looked things over in your version. Gotta say, I'm impressed^^. I like how the "favored terrain" works by giving passive buffs unique to that kind of landscape. I like Hide In Plain Sight a lot by giving you that invisibly at the cost of not attacking with your action to sell the idea of a skilled hunter maneuvering into an advantageous position while remaining unseen. Each subclass getting a unique mini spell list is also a welcome change^^. I do like what you got cooking back there, but I'm also curious what you may change, update, or add if you made that potential 4th ranger option though^^

I personally love your homebrew ranger and it inspired me to make my own version :D It’s largely the same, but I included Cunning Action because I view rangers as very mobile and tactful. Looking back now, it was probably a little strong, but I would really love to see your newest version of a better ranger Coach! Edit: I should also mention my change to Hunter’s Mark. Each class has its own unique way to deal extra damage like paladin smites, action surge, sneak attack, rage, etcetera. To make hunter’s mark feel more unique, i made it affect attack rolls instead of damage rolls. To me it fits the fantasy of being a hunter who knows how to line up the perfect shot, and the improvement to accuracy is more unique to the ranger and differentiates it from other classes

I love rangers, and your fixes are much needed!

thank you for all that you do

I love your version on the Ranger! I love my ranger. I've played a Horizon Walker up to 20 and he's built to be a highly mobile and hard to catch nightmare for my DM but his lack of attacks means that I'm usually the one running around the area during a fight, taking care of other objectives while the rest of the team fights the BBEG. I'd love to play a remastered version that can also help in a fight in some way other than taking down hordes of minions with volley/barrage and applying haste to someone. Thanks for the build! I'll be checking it out!

What I did was grab some stuff from homebrew classes to add onto those empty class spaces. Plus, Alkander's Almanac has a lot of ideas to pick and choose from if you want to add an extra skill to those empty spaces. I know I've plugged Alkander's Almanac of All Things in your channel before, but I truly believe your viewers should give it a chance and buy it. I went back to DM'ing after almost 15 years and the almanac helped me SO much (and you can tell it's a work of love, too). I seldom wonder if WotC just refuses to learn from past mistakes. Many of the last subclasses were either meh or just subpar -- and it sucks to have one class have like 6 subclasses and then see another with like 14 (cleriiiiics!).

8:50 Yes! Glad to see this called out. Really like your way of scaling throughout much better.

@TheDungeonCoach

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Agreed!

10/10 love the Ranger content. I played your ranger fix in a 1 shot and it was incredible compared to the players handbook Ranger. I did my own rewrite of the Ranger for use in my own games taking inspiration from several versions of Ranger and Ranger fixes but I would absolutely love to see your take on it as I am but a humble homebrewer who has only been playing D&D for a little over a year. Can't wait to see it!

Look into the optional abilities from Tasha's for the Ranger, that's where Roving, Tireless and Expertise come from. Initially I didn't like Nature's Veil from OneDND but they extended it to the END of your next turn, instead of START of your next turn. That's "greater" invisibility for TWO turns, for one 1st level spell slot. By the time you get this feature, you have access to 4th level spells and 11 spell slots total. Also, the Foe Slayer capstone is not just more damage, it's more accuracy too. Most people need Channel Divinity to get additional accuracy once, Rangers just get it once every turn (your Foe Slayer is every attack on every turn, not just once). Adding an additional 15%-25% on top of your chance to hit is pretty good. Rangers could easily get a +18 to hit at that level using this feature. I don't think you realize how strong that is compared to some other 20th level features. My backup character is my Mad Mage campaign is a Gloomstalker using your Ranger model and I'm afraid I am going to outshine everyone in everything lol Ranger's are strong

Great video as always! I gave your home brewed ranger to my current ranger player and she loves it. I’m also going to give her a dragon for her beast though…so I’m a little crazy.😂

While my Ranger for Celestia doesn't wield magic (instead they are part of the Warrior group and get special fighting tricks), It's much closer to yours than the One D&D version. However I renamed Hunter's Mark to Rangers Insight as a class feature and it's tied to a dice scale (which is also used by all the combat abilities they can learn).

Still working on my own custom ranger, inspired by your fix as well as Dael Kingsmill's. I love your Hunter's Mark core feature ability, My current idea for the Ranger Capstone is unlimited uses of Hunter's mark, a 1d12 bonus damage die, and removing the time limit. It feels similar to Druid's capstone for infinite wild shapes. This way, a ranger can always reliably do what they do best; and once they have your scent they'll never lose it.

Hey coach, I got to play test your & pagnabros' Ranger about a year ago. I would love an update to bridge the gaps between what you've already created and One D&D. In my opinion, the ranger in One D&D had a lot of flavor stripped from it and relies on spells for flavor. I wished the Tasha's "alternate" features would rather have been made into "additional" for the ranger. Keeping flavor whilst also gaining mechanical benefits. Making Hunters Mark not a spell but a concentration-less class feature wisdom modifier or proficiency bonus times per long rest seems appropriate.( Leave the precious spell slots for something like goodberry and pass without trace). I love being able to activate it when you begin tracking the creature as well as having the scaling damage die both made it feel like a ranger. Since gameplay above 10th level is harder with 5e's current design, the OneD&D moving of earlier features further while compressing later gained features sooner is a good design choice, in my opinion, and can't wait to see how you would incorporate that into a redesign of the Ranger.

I feel like the level 18 capstone should put the ranger at FULL LEGOLAS, maybe they can see creatures and detailed terrain up to a mile away, unless behind full cover. They get a permanent plus 5 to their Passive Perception, and/or any time they deal damage to a foe that goes over its remaining HP, the remaining damage carries over to another enemy within their attacks range. Flavor it like a 2nd arrow being immediately sent without making it a full-blown extra attack.

I agree that Hunter's Mark should be a feature, though I've heard some people call out possible issues of the ranger becoming a one-level dip class, just for that feature, which I can kind of see. I was excited to see the updated features, so I didn't really think about the level they were obtained. But moving features around for the final draft is less of an issue. I'm just glad the features themselves are better overall. I agree with leaving half-caster slots alone. I have a similar issue with some artificer features (really hope they give a pdf near the end of the playtest phase that goes over artificers in the new system). Hopefully they don't keep the detail about only preparing a certain number of spells per level. If I don't want the spells from level 4, I should be able to take extra spells from 3 and upcast.

@ikeillue8385

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Boy, it sure would be a shame if there was a class that had an incredibly strong one level dip, that would be an incredibly common multiclass option. *side glances at hexblade warlock*

@m.otoole7501

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If you're afraid of 1 level dips, just put the hunter's mark feature at 2nd level (make it comparable to smites for paladin)

I am generally pretty happy with the One D&D ranger, overall I think it is a fair bit better than the 5e one. However, I think there are still a few issues. 1) There are no abilities that make the Ranger better explorer/scout/watcher/survivalist than a Rogue or Bard with expertise in perception, survival, nature and athletics. 2) Thier damage doesn't scale much past level 5 (outside of gaining higher level spells). 3) They step on the rogues toes. I have suggested the following changes in the feedback survey to solve the above issues. A) move Thier first instance of expertise to level 2 (so it matches the Bard with 2 at level 2 and 2 at level 9). Let early access to expertise be the rogues thing. This helps solve (3). B) Give them a new class feature at level 1 which allowes them to be better at hunting, tracking, keeping watch, and surviving the wilderness than rogues and bards. This could give them stuff like advantage on saving throws made to avoid taking levels of exhaustion (it's always bothered me that sorcerers and artificers are less likely to become exhausted than rangers). This should help solve (1). C) Make Hunter's mark a class feature (Favoured Enemy), not a spell. Also make its damage scale better with level. It could scale with proficiency bonus from a d4 to a d12, or could start as a d4 at level 1, change to a d8 at 11 and finally a d12 at 18. I am happy with it consuming a spell slot as it is a much cleaner solution compared with having a bunch of abilities that can be used PB/long rest. It is kind of like the rangers version of Divine Smite this in this way.

The ranger has been done sooo many times... and yet I still want to see everyone's take on it so I would love to see a rework of your homebrew version. While I think the community gives too much attention to "fixing" the ranger when it barely needed any work to begin with, I am glad WotC is still making improvements to the class. Fingers crossed that they listed to our feedback before publishing their One D&D playtests + i really hope they do another iteration playtests of any changes they want to make.

Yes Coach: Show us the 4th version based on insights and perspectives you and the tam have gleaned

Do it! I love all your content. Choosing what to use from AAA for my upcoming campaign has been difficult. Lol! But seriously do that 4th ranger.

I'd pick your range in a heartbeat. It literally feels like what a range should be.

I feel like your ranger collab is by far my favorite that I've seen. What I'd like to see added would be adjustments to the ranger spells to make them more favorable/useable for players. Spells like ensnaring strike allow the use of the bow which I think is thematic but most players seem to always take other spells. I know Treantmonk has a list of fixes for spells but I'd love to see your take. For me the arcane archer's ability to imbue a bow with "spells" is really what the theme of the ranger is missing. Something like a grasping arrow feature for rangers would make them much, much more fun IMO. Love your content!

I love the rework! The only nitpick thing that’s not a big deal to change would be removing the snippets that say your acclimated to extreme cold/hot weather from Dessert and tundra since the resistances already do that as a default. As for the mountain, I would simply say you can travel at a normal speed on altitudes below 20,000ft or above 10,000ft, depending on what kind of campaign your running, so that the players don’t need to look at the dungeon Master’s guide to see a feature that’s for a player. If this makes sense, otherwise keep up the good work I really appreciate it.

I like the version of hunters mark you guys made. Minus its once per turn stipulation. As a Dm I have removed alot of classes and subclasses once per turn damage and made every time they hit damage. And it's worked great for my players and for me it isn't something I've had trouble balancing my games around.

I maybe misremembering but I believe Crawford said Hunters Mark doesn’t burn a spell slot . Even if it does let’s remember it’s duration is 1 hour . That’s a ton of combat and it no longer has concentration so you you have zero chance of losing it. Secondly I like we classes have restrictions. If everyone can do everything classes are pointless. I thought the fact that WoTC made every race have the same walking speed is boring . Ranger is my favorite class by far . I love that we gained expertise. I disagree with us getting as many as a Rogue who can’t cast magic .

Your ranger fix videos from a couple of years is still my favourite video from you. I feel that your version is the definitely version everyone should use. I love that you're looking to fix the ranger again, but I don't want it to be a One D&D fix. Absolutely take elements from that, but I'd definitely prefer the build to be standard 5e. We're still not sure how One D&D is going to look in its final iteration. I also feel the One D&D ranger is lackluster, even if I like the fact it now gets Expertise in a skill. The main issue I have is that it doesn't get any actual abilities, and everything is focused on one ability per level. Why? It's not broken to have two or three. I do appreciate that the ranger's (and paladin's) spellcasting is now the same as the artificer's. Ranger has been my favourite class since I was a kid watching the D&D cartoon, but the 5e version makes me cry. I was hopeful when the Revised Ranger UA came out, but then they (mostly Crawford) came out and said that the PHB version is perfectly fine and didn't need to be change. Fast forward to Tasha's release, and you see how much they ended up walking that back. Regarding the Revised Ranger (which I'm sure you have seen), I liked the changes to Natural Explorer, you could now Dash as a bonus action like a rogue, and Foe Slayer let you add your Wis-mod to the attack AND damage of an attack once per turn. Looking over the pdf, if I had to fix yours, Natural Explorer, Hide in Plain Sight, and Foe Slayer would get the Revised Ranger treatment. Spellcasting as an artificer. Add Tasha's Deft Explorer: Canny at 1st level and Primal Awareness bonus spells at 3rd as Wilderness Guide would be gone. Vanish would move to 9th level and revise it to add in Tasha's Nature's Veil. The Revised Ranger's Fleet of Foot and Tasha's Deft Explorer: Roving would go to 6th level. Feral Senses was originally 18th for both yours and the PHB, but One D&D moved it to 15th. For yours, I'd put at 13th level. Move the 10th level Natural Explorer improvement to 9th level, then add Tasha's Deft Explorer: Tireless to 10th level. At 18th level throw in another Natural Explorer improvement. That would leave level 17 open and there's no Expertise added in anywhere, but it's not that big of a deal, and one dead level is better than three. Also, once upon a time ago, rangers used to get evasion, like a rogue and monk, and multiple fighting styles like a Champion fighter. What I love about Pathfinder 1e's ranger's capstone is tracking at full speed, and once per day against each of their favored enemies, the ranger's attacks act as a lesser version of an arrow of slaying.

Hey, I have a new hunters mark option I made for my own homebrew ranger. Bonus action to activate on a target you can see within 90 feet or mark by studying tracks for 1 min. Deal d4 damage each weapon attack against the target, and advantage on perception and survival checks to track the target. Switch targets if original target drops to 0. Scales up to d12 later on. Ends if you’re incapacitated, drop to 0 hp, or if y ok cast Hunters Mark spell. Also if you are concentrating on hunters mark spell and activate this feature, you lose concentration. Moreover this feature counts as a spell for dispel magic, and it’s level is equal to half your ranger level, rounded up, to a max of 9th level. A creature under the effects of detect magic can see it if they succeed a perception or investigation check against your spell save dc. Can use once per short rest, and if you have no more uses, you can expend a spell slot to use it again. You gain one additional use at 9th and 17th level. Notice there’s no time limit on the mark. It just lasts. I got the idea from Matt Mercer’s brand of castigation. It’s limited uses per short rest, but you can keep using it with spell slots, and you always have the mark up unless something happens to end it early

Huge fan of the direction they are heading

Late to the party, but: My Homebrew Ranger has the same Hunters Mark System, but it uses the HM dice also for checks on top of the d20. Hunting down an enemy? Roll your survival + HM dice! Wanna make a history or nature check to gain information about your foe? Roll plus HM dice. It makes the whole Ranger thing more dice-rolly and it also scales all up with levels naturally

To add to my previous comment, I've been looking at the Baldur's Gate 3 classes very carefully. I like who they're fixing the GoO warlock, base ranger, and the sorcerer origins. The Baldur's Gate ranger is what I wish the 5e ranger was. If you decide to revise the ranger yet again, I would highly recommend looking at the Baldur's Gate wiki and check out how their version of Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer works. It's brilliant.

Yours and Marco's Ranger is excellent (even if the last edit was in April of 2020) and I've had it be the "Ranger" in my campaign. It's excellent and some of Marco's best effort in his 5.5e work. Please pass on my compliments.

I would love to see your breakdown for all the classes like you did for the ranger. Do you have something like that out together?

@TheDungeonCoach

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I did a full 30 minute break down of the barred, and I am going to be working on one for the rogue 👌🏼

@erevin3277

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@@TheDungeonCoach I love those breakdowns, but I meant like your own ranger homebrew, the pdf you gave us. I would love to see how you did those for all of them.

I like your ideia behind natural explorer, however I’d add a extra something if the ranger is on the environment he picked. So yeah, maybe by growing up in that kind of place made him better at that something for life, but still there are skills and knowledges that would only apply to that environment.

I think if you add cantrips and spell slots at first level it could be better than the one dnd ranger. I would also like if they gain extra languages at certain levels

I still feel like favored enemy could be improved. I don't like fixes that allows you to easily get the feature to apply to all enemies like Tasha's favored foe. I liked the RP aspect of studying to the point of expertise for that 1 specific enemy. So perhaps let the favored enemy be earned through RP. Rangers can choose 1 type of favored enemy. This is the one permanent type you have. Rangers can temporarily gain the favored enemy on any enemy for a week in one of four ways. 1) Study signs of the enemy for 1 minute (e.g. tracks, droppings, etc.). 2) Gain second hand knowledge (talking to locals, read a book). 3) Use a bonus action in combat to study an enemy. Maybe also a nature check. 4) Observe the enemy out of combat for 1 minute.

@TheDungeonCoach

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Love that!!!

I think both DC's and OneD&D are vast improvements to the original Ranger, but can still further be improved. With OneD&D Experts are supposed to "barrow" abilities from other classes. Like how the Bard has magical secrets. Here is my idea for a Hunter's Mark fix. Favored Foe (1st level) - you always have the Hunter's Mark spell prepared - it doesn't require Concentration for you - Hunter's Mark damage increases at certain levels, d8 at 11th level, and d10 at 18th level. - you can cast Hunter's Mark at 1st level Once per Long Rest without expending a spell slot. You gain additonal uses at 6th level and 18th level. Tireless (11th level) (OneD&D) - ADD: you regain all expended uses of Favored Foe after a short or long rest. Foe Slayer (18th level) - You critical hit when you roll a 19-20 on the d20 for attack roll aginst a creature under you Hunter's Mark spell - When you critical hit a creature roll an additional d10 and add it to the total damage. Overall I think Hunter's Mark for the Ranger should scale throughout leveling. Not just damage, but some features too.

I’m super excited for DC 20!

Foe Slayer..."You know all there is to know about your enemy. Strengths, weaknesses. You can either impose disadvantage on them or give advantage to your party based on your expertise and experience. Number of times equal to your proficiency bonus per day."

A historical ranger was a land warden and manager, so given them abilities depending on the environment like your's should be a thing. The One D&D Ranger looks more like a scout or hunter. What bothers me about all classes with fighting style is that exept the fighter they have all a limited choice. A class with fighting style should be able to choose whatever fighting style fits their character idea.

The 18th level Foe Slayer in the One D&D version should give allies who hit your Hunter's Mark target a bonus 1d6 damage and +1 to hit. Even that might too weak though.

Is hunters mark costing a spell slot any worse than paladin smite? Especially since you can’t lose concentration on it? Seems like it would give significantly more damage per slot.

Time for the new ranger, get busy coach!

I think your rangers natural explorer should be starting feature of Ranger, i really like it. Ranger should be about movement. I also think the improved hunters mark is fine if it were on the hunter subclass not the base class. Or maybe the ranger can pick any one ranger spell/cantrip and get an improved version - doesn't consume spell slots or use concentration.

I always thought that all rangers must have a companion, like a built in find familiar style, and if you choose beast master you are just the better at it. Am I crazy? I dunno, really wanted to see the final power ranger version of yours

I like your Ranger a lot more than the OneDnD version.

Another negative for the Tireless feature is .... why 1D8 which is nothing at that level, as opposed to using their HD+Con mod with at least PB number of uses. The other big negative besides the ones you have pointed out is with the Sub-Class Hunter features aquired on leveling. I loved that you got to choose 1 out of 3 choices as you reached those levels. I would like to see less "rail roading" class advancements and give players a bit of choice. Sure, it looks like we have more customization with the new feat choices, but more choices from within your choosen class would be a good thing. Even if these were only 2 options to choose from at certain levels. I could be asking a lot but as a long time player having characters feel like a much different PC mechanically as they advance.

what spells do rangers get magic cleric druidic?

I really feel like inspiration for ranger class/subclass features would benefit from considering sources like LotR, The Witcher, and (especially) Monster Hunter first.

I solved the "1 level dip" issue by delaying the Hunter's Mark class feature until 2nd level so that the Ranger's core feature comes online at the same time as the Paladin's Divine Smite. To fill the void, I created two new abilities. The first is Seasoned Explorer, a hybrid of TCoE Deft Explorer + a revised version of the UA Revised Ranger (2015) as the 1st level exploration feature. I then created a new feature known as Adaptive Hunter, which combined the combat/tracking benefits from the UA Revised Ranger (2015) (advantage on initiative rolls + advantage on attack rolls against creatures who have not yet acted during the first round of combat and knowing the number, size, and how long they passed, of creatures you're tracking) with the benefits from the PHB favored enemy (advantage on tracking + recalling information) as the 1st level combat/tracking feature.

@m.otoole7501

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(Note: I'm building my ranger variant for base 5e, not for OneDnD)

Yes, make a 4th version Ranger please. 👍

It is funny how casters get stronger and stronger spells as they level up, but the martials and half-casters seem to get weaker class features at high levels, than at low levels.

For me personally, capstone abilities are really hard to come up with. Though, I suppose the same is true of the creators of D&D, as there are only like 2 good capstone abilities in the game. But my thought would be something two fold, where one part would be about travel/exploration, and the other would be combat. Maybe the travel/exploration would be something like the ability to put together natural remedies and create basically a healers kit with the healer's feat built in. Maybe you would roll a d12 to see the number of charges you get, each charge can be used as an action to heal a target for 1d6+WIS+Prof. You would put this "kit" together by spending a day (8 hours) out in the wilderness, max once per day. The remedies go bad after 24 hours. The other part would be combat oriented. Possibly it could be something like, if you spend an hour either tracking a creature, or studying it in some way, the creature becomes vulnerable to all damage the ranger does, or if the creature has immunities/resistances, they takes one step toward vulnerable (immune becomes resisted, resisted becomes normal, normal becomes vulnerable.). The Ranger can also activate this effect in the moment as a bonus action, by making a contested WIS (survival) vs the target's CHA (deception).

Ranger has always been my favorite character since 1E. A Ranger should be someone to inspire awe in allies and fear in foes. A Capstone should reflect this in an ultimate way. I think of Aragorn at the end of Fellowship. The ultimate Foe Slayer would be once per turn, when you make a melee attack against an enemy who is less than max HP, it is an auto-crit and you can also attack every enemy you can reach with your movement for an auto-hit. If it is a ranged attack the additional foes must be within 15' of the first attack.

I have only heard bad things about the ranger class, so being lazy, I've never even looked at it so I don't know how different these new versions are from that, other than from the things you specified. I love the idea of leading the group through rough terrain, and having hunter's mark be a core feature. I don't know enough about higher level play to know what class features' power should be, but I hate nothing more in d&d than a lack of versatility so more options sounds ideal to me!

I highly recommend giving Star Wars 5e a look through, especially their Scout which is their Ranger equivalent. It follows a lot of the same principles as what you say here and is a far better version of the class.

Foe slayer: When you drop an enemy, marked by your hunter's mark, to 0 hit points, you can immediately apply your hunter's mark to a differnet creature. In addition you gain one of the following benefits: - you can turn invisible until the end of your next turn. - You gain 30 temporary hit points - Move up to 30 feet, and at any point during the move, make an attack against the creature just marked by your hunter's mark. (you can only pick this option once per turn). Wizards are wishing for clones of themselves at this level. Just go nuts.

Your Natural Explorer is really good! Subclasses are important for me for ranger. Each should feeld different. Now all feels like the same. ....you deal 1d8 extra damage............

I think one dnd is close. I don't think using spell slots for hunter's mark is a bad thing. Paladin's use it for their smites. I do think it should be a class feature, I do think it needs to start out weaker and scale stronger. I do think their "cap stone" is somehow WORSE than their original capstone. But I have no issue with hunter's mark and nature's veil using spell slots. If anyhthing I have more issues with nature's veil using slots than I do with hunter's mark using slots. My biggest issue is a 1 level dip gives you expertise, and no-concentration hunters mark for any class you want. 1 level dip then go fighter.

I know you're working on your own game system now but are you still working on / planning to release your updated improved Ranger you talked about at the end of this?

@TheDungeonCoach

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Sadly no 😣 I am putting all creative efforts into DC20

@TheDungeonCoach

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Ping me on discord and I might have something for you, I’ll have to check though

It’s kinda funny how your versions are far superior. I’m surprised you haven’t tried getting work at WotC to fix their stuff from the inside.

The thing I dislike the most about the new ranger is that they sucked out all of the flavor and choices in favour of making the class "good" sure favored terrain and enemy were bad mechanics wise but they were very thematic and made each ranger distinct. This new ranger just feels like a fighter subclass

What's the source of the thumbnail art?

What if Rangers naturally gained inspiration on their own. Inspired by nature itself to incorporate aspects of nature into their actions. Depending on the terrain they are in they can spend inspiration for an extra abilities. Use inspiration to cast spells without a spell slot.

One of my “bad campaign” ideas is a party of all rangers, but each one is built using a different attempt to fix the base 5e Ranger. A Tasha’s variant A One D&D version As many 3rd party Ranger fixes as it takes to finish out the party.

I disagree. Rangers should have a pact style spellcasting where they have less slots that recharge on a short rest and they auto-upcast

@benjaminholcomb9478

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Honestly that part of warlocks that stand out the most for rangers to me is the invocations. Call 'em specialties or something and let rangers constantly learn new tricks here and there. Some based on terrain or enemies, some based on spell casting or combat. That way every ranger is both a specialist and flexible, like they should be.

I personally love the “pick a type of enemy, you are a god at killing that enemy” Now maybe not everyone is a fan of that, the weakness of that style, is you rely on your dm to make those monsters appear a lot. But it’s also it’s biggest strength, who doesn’t love “goblin slayer” the anime, you tell him you got a mission, he says “are there goblins” if they reply no, his answer is, sorry can’t help. And to an extent if you play that hunter of a particular foe, it can be a little bit on the player to prompt the dm to include some of those enemies, otherwise, why are you asking the mage slayer to come if there are no enemy casters. My original solve was rangers have expertise on attack rolls and expertise (double proficiency) added to damage rolls against their favoured enemy. Now you say you don’t like that, and maybe many don’t like that master of a foe style. So my solution is if that’s the case, make a “Slayer” sub class. Using my old fix for ranger as the sun classes features. Level 3: Favoured Enemy-you get expertise on attack rolls and any d20 skill check relating to your favoured enemy. Level 6: Improved Favoured Enemy- you add proficiency to damage rolls against your favoured enemy. Your favoured enemy may never benefit from advantage against you. Finally, initiative checks you make, when at least 1 enemy in the ensuing combat is a member of your favoured enemy may add your proficiency bonus to the roll. Level 10: You can run, but you can’t hide- The Slayer now has a selected blind sense and blind sight to a radius of 100ft against a favoured enemy. He also gets +20 to any tracking attempts when tracking his favoured enemy. And your favoured enemy always has disadvantage on attacks against you. Level 14: Genocider- when you roll a Nat 20 to hit, you kill your target if it is your favoured enemy. You also gain expertise on damage rolls, adding twice your proficiency bonus.

How can they even release this with a straight face ?

As of the June 2024 Ranger reveal, I knew that had stollen this idea of making Hunters Mark a core of the Ranger from someone. It was a bad idea but they tried to copy from you 😂. They totally did not realize you do better iterations than they do.

I’m a 2e grognard, & i can’t fathom the superhero nonsense of getting a feat at every single level AND casting spells.

You know for me, ranger always made me think of all types of hunters. From normal hunters, to Capcom’s Monster Hunter with their use of monster parts they carved, Witcher, Grimhallow’s monster hunter class and the lizard folks artisans ability. The kind of hunters who know how to survive out in the wilderness, make what the need from the wilderness, can’t get lost normally. adept at traversing all terrain, weather swim, climb and can’t be sneaked onto so easily. So here’s a thought: a hunter who can hunt all monsters and makes items from their flesh(think Heliana’s guide to monster hunter hunting plus monster hunter). After a rest in their environment (benefits vary depending of length) can track better, knows what around them. Better with animals then most(think The chronicles of Riddick where Riddick says “it’s an animal thing” as he befriends a extraterrestrial cat). Can move through all terrain gaining swimming, climbing, better at stealth and gains tremor sense, blind sense, dark vision but can see in color and true seeing. Note most of these require rest and to be in the wilderness(unless subclass dictates). Also I always saw the spell casting(like the artificer) as a subclass thing but that’s just me

@jaredmundell9658

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Hope you saw this and and like it if not cool was planning on making my own version myself as well so can’t wait to see what you make with this!😁

I’ve play tested the Ranger class…. The class is an improvement but I still like Tasha’s. The flavor is a martial rogue, the expert classes are roguish in nature by the looks of them, personally I have no issue with this… not all rogues are thieves. Adding cantrips is nice, but limiting them from having access to the full primal list is an issue to me. Some of my favorite spells that are currently in the ranger list might be unavailable to them because they are evocation spells. I barely ever used hunters mark it doesn’t scale damage and with the expert feat in survival with a high wisdom it is not necessary to track a target. My go to is hail of thorns, it scales with the spell slot you use, is a much better spell. The hunter sub class, to me, missed the mark. It could have baked in the use of hunters mark in the features but it didn’t. I made mention of it in the survey. I could go on and on about the ranger class, I even played the nerfed 5e version and turned it into a mean class by working the issues in my favor.

Foe slayer should be more deadly than quivering palm. Aka finger of death + disintegrate combined

World of warcraft game category?

I think the reason WOTC is afraid to make "Hunters Mark" a Feature is its going to get compared to "Sneak Attack" and just end up being a weaker Sneak attack. because thats basically what it is. My issue with the new ranger is they removed natural explorer, i always liked that ability i just think it needed a rework to not be an auto win travel but still make you feel awesome at travel so people would want to run travel still. Favored Enemy also was always nice, it just needed a little more oomph (auto know weaknesses or something of your favored enemys)

Ummm.... FAVORED ENEMY says : You always have the Hunter’s Mark Spell prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of Spells you can prepare" doesn't this mean it doesn't take a spell slot....? ._.

4e ranger is and forever will always be best ranger

Let's go!

Rangers are PERFECT, they've ALWAYS been PERFECT, and they always WILL be PERFECT. G(Class)OAT. Fight me. 😜

messing the spell slots is not that bad since he is no mage. If you give too much spells or heals to a class , the real mages or healers will be useless, and you'll see partys with 4 rangers and nothing else

Game design top tho, when you fill in those gaps in your ranger, make them small things. Put your neat little number bonuses in there. Because if you give them a gamplay changing feature AND their casting levels up, it can feel bad to other players at the table. A huge part of game design is roster balance. Your weakest player or class cant be TOO far away from the strongest or it the gane isnt all that fair

*chanting* Update ranger! Update ranger!

Bro because Evocation is the only school of magic where none of the spells fit the Hunter/Trapper/Gatherer OR Nature Survival/Navigator themes

Overall, your ranger is cool, but something annoys me : Hunter's Mark (HM) procing only once a turn. With the One D&D Ranger, you can set up cool plays in late game for ranger to get a decent DPS : HM being concentration free, you can at lv 17, HM someone, and Swift Quiver to reach that sweet 4 atk/turn, each procing HM damage. I also feel like the dual wielding new rules makes HM a good option for dual wielder. In my opinion, HM shouldn't be procing once per turn with a big die, but each atk, with a smaller die. I can see HM being concentration free at level 5 (Such as Bard getting back their Bardic Inspiration from long rest, to short rest), to avoid min-max build taking a dip in ranger for free +1d6/atk. I love the possibility to tag something with HM only by tracking it, and the custom effect from Natural Explorer is really good, even if the Underdark one feels a bit underwelming. (straight expertise in perception, or 5ft of blindsight, sounds like no match for me) The Guerilla fighting style feels really strangely worded : If I move 5ft, and comes back to my position, I have move 10 ft. I suggest this : " If I end my turn 10(15?)ft from where I start it, I have +1 to my damage rolls, until the end of my next turn." It forces some kind of positioning minigame, bringing momentum and strategy to the fight. Hope this help, keep up the good work ! :)

i thought this was a One D&D Breakdown, but you were talking more about your product..

@TheDungeonCoach

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I feel like I did One D&D justice, and its not a product, its completely free :) In the process of breaking down my thoughts on the one dnd version, its hard not to think to the solutions I've already had for the class and compare and contrast them :)

@pepperino-hotterino

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@@TheDungeonCoach I didn't know that one was free. :O Dont get me wrong I love your stuff and I use it frequently in my campaigns. I also think your expertise in these matters helps people understand what makes a good rule/class to a superb one. Keep up the great work

I think I kinda hate this Ranger "fix". • Hunter's mark as their dexterity-based single-target ongoing focus makes it like wimpy but consistent Rogue • Expertise is nice but again makes it kinda just Rogue • They lost major flavor and just feel pretty bad. • This really feels like a fan-made homebrew class where they mostly just mash together existing Classes, probably because the Ranger was an poorly defined class to start with • The listed Subclass is pretty boring and gives the implication that D&D is extremely mostly about combat. If I could have a single change to Ranger, I'd just remove it as a Class and provide a Hunter/Seeker approach to Rogues as an alternate way to pull off Exploit Damage. Okay but if I was forced to make a Ranger Class without just making it feel like 3E, 5E, or PF2E, I'd let them burn Spell Slots for Focus Strikes, acting as Primal Smites. Maybe you get just one or two and learn more over time, and this can give Area of Effect attacks like a Flurry of Blades or rain of arrows, or a Snipe shot with Advantage and ×5 Range, or pin or trap a foe, or as a Reaction Snare an approaching foe, etc. Maybe as a catch, you can spend your Movement and a Bonus Action to "Focus", letting you pull this off without spending a Spell Slot. This would be their combat special feature. Might even remove the need for Fighting Styles if one of these powers is a Hunter's Mark that adds Damage or Advantage every Turn. Then for utility, yeah I'm kinda cool with the "terrain" origin bonus. Lastly, would be fine with giving Rangers Proficiency in Initiative or allow them to treat gaps and climbing as "difficult terrain", as if it's effortless but just slower.

@TheDungeonCoach

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I LOVE your breakdown! I have Rangers Paladin smiting too, just feels right as a half caster

@BestgirlJordanfish

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@@TheDungeonCoach Oh thanks so much! Yeah I'd love to see more on the idea of "Weapon Spells" and "Ranger Smites"

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Power Rangers Dino Thunder only has 3 Rangers at first, then Tommy Oliver morphs again. 4 Rangers. Anyway, they buffed Ranger so much, why even play a Rogue? Nerfed Sneak Attack and now with Ranger Expertise, Rogue seems pointless until Reliable Talent at least. Except, of course, for flavor. But you can flavor your Ranger the same way so... 👎

ONE YEAR LATER WOTC: They seem to like it. Destroy it.

Simple solution. Rangers are NOT spell casters, they are highly trained and experienced naturalists. The problem with 5e rules is almost always, based around spell casting. Something that older edition rules had already figured out. This is a role playing game at the end of the day, NOT some woke, everyone is a super ninja BS.

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