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Randy Moss doesn’t think Patrick Mahomes is NECESSARILY BETTER than Tom Brady | NFL Countdown
On NFL Countdown, Rex Ryan, Randy Moss, Alex Smith and Tedy Bruschi join Sam Ponder to discuss:
0:00 Patrick Mahomes looking for his THIRD Lombardi
0:45 Mahomes on leadership
4:00 Tom Brady vs. Patrick Mahomes
6:53 Randy Moss responds to Tedy!
9:30 What’s so special about these two QBs?
12:00 Going back to back
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Brady in the 2021 playoffs -beat D. Brees in New Orleans -beat A.Rodgers in Green Bay -beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl Brady was the underdog in all 3 matchups 🤷🏾♂️
@Solznmid
6 ай бұрын
But none of that matters in this discussion since we’re talking about the first 6 seasons
@JC-db7so
6 ай бұрын
Who cares about Mahomes first 6 years.
@tyanewilson217
6 ай бұрын
Brady won 1 of his Super Bowl throwing 2 td the whole post season lol had no rushing yards nothing he just had a good defense and a way better run game man also won another one throwing 2 touch down like bro yea Brady beat mahomes in a Super Bowl mahomes had no offense line everybody was out and the man toe needed surgery that fine he also beat him in a afc championship game where it went to overtime and mahomes didn’t saw back the ball 🏈 the only time when they met with no issue it wasn’t even close
@JC-db7so
6 ай бұрын
@@tyanewilson217 Okay so he lost twice in the playoffs to Brady and one of those was at home. If Brady had Tyreek and Kelce in their prime is he losing a playoff game at home to a team where the receivers are Chris Hogan, Julian Edelman and washed up Gordon and an injured Gronk?
@user-ki9um4ju9d
6 ай бұрын
@@JC-db7so The Chiefs had a swiss cheese defense in 2018 and you're talking about a guy in his first year starting vs a guy 20 years into his career. Brady lost to the 10-6 Giants with a stacked football team that had 9 all-pros.
Broski couldn’t name a single weapon that Tom Brady have in those first 6 years 😂
@harrisonjia7791
6 ай бұрын
And he played with them lol
@adonasbuhr2784
6 ай бұрын
Tom's first 6 years was a different era of football. Defense was necessary to win. In this era teams can stack the offense and get away with it.
@boxerboy860
6 ай бұрын
@@adonasbuhr2784Ok and then the other offense blows you out 😂 make it make sense last night was a defensive battle
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
I would say his weapons were Troy brown, Kevin Faulk, Deion Branch, Patten, Corey Dillon . I think all were in the league for at least 10 seasons
@shawngardner2642
6 ай бұрын
Glad Randy brought up the overlooked fact that Brady never had the ridiculous offensive weapons Mahomes had during the first 6 years. So naturally Mahomes would and should have better numbers. Brady had the great defenses, and Mahomes had the great offenses. So naturally his stats would reflect on that.
Thank you Moss for defending my QB
Tedy Bruschi said it properly. That's exactly the difference.
@brettt141
6 ай бұрын
look at mahomes sb stats. team wins
Don’t you dare disrespect Randy’s quarterback!!!
@user-xb4fm5rx8h
6 ай бұрын
Translation: don’t you dare disrespect massa**
Randy is not going against Tom…next question😅😂🤣Randy is loyal
@robertgonzalez9018
6 ай бұрын
For your information TOM has 7 rings .. Mahomes 2. End of story 🤫🤫
@Kameo-jq3qo
6 ай бұрын
@@robertgonzalez9018 watch the video again. its not about CAREER its about FIRST 6 SEASONS. and for that Patrick is better. if he has 20+ years and we can compare then, sure tom might have more rings etc. but first 6... no brainer. pat > brady. also pat doesnt have a great defense like brady had.
@user-lt1fx2he5s
6 ай бұрын
@@robertgonzalez9018And how many times did the defense or special teams bail Tom Brady out?
@mikejames5747
6 ай бұрын
The first 3 super bowls. Let's not forget all of the cheating.
@GeraldThompson-iu8ks
6 ай бұрын
Patrick is cementing his own legacy his upside is going to rise bc can get better cmon stop comparing him to Tom Brady is a league by himself
Mahomes literally lost to Tom Brady in the SB within his first 6 years, and they're putting him above Brady in the first 6 years 😂
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
They’re comparing each other’s first 6 seasons. Brady was the only to miss the playoffs in the first 6 seasons FYI
@BrotherBernard-yy4yd
6 ай бұрын
By that logic Eli manning is better than brady
@Sowhat28-qe6ci
6 ай бұрын
Have u ever played football, u do realize niether one of them can play defense, mahomes lost to todd Bowles n Lavonte David n that front 7
@benblak23
6 ай бұрын
@@BrotherBernard-yy4ydthank you. They act like Brady was playing Middle Linebacker in that game and was the reason Mahomes lost. Mahomes had a bad defense and the receivers dropped like 5 big passes.
@SwordOfZeal
6 ай бұрын
@@sly2772woah! And Brady threw 3 ints in the NFCCG and still won! Almost like raw stats lack all context. Are you intentionally stupid?
Dunno what Bruschi is talking about. Tom was the man in his 2nd SuperBowl. If Tom didn't carry the Pats (and the Pats Defense!) that game, they would've lost. Even in his 3rd SuperBowl, he wasn't just a complementary piece. Tom had a QB Rating of 110.2 in that 3rd SB. Yup, he didn't throw for a ton of yards (only 236), but back then 190 yards passing in a game was normal. If Tom was allowed to let loose, I am quite sure he could've throw 300+ yards easily. McNabb threw for 357 yards that game against that "great" Patriots Defense. So it would've been possible for Tom to throw 300 yards that if he wasn't being held back by Bill and his archaic ways back then.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
2nd Super Bowl he was the man, but not his defense??? Brady wasn’t even a top 10 offense that season. His defense was #1 His defense kept BOTH mvp’s to 14 points in the playoffs
@AL.BUNDY.
6 ай бұрын
@@albieoval1657 It is amazing how some people received their high school diploma without learning how to read. Reading comprehension is hard to be honest. LOL Maybe u thought I stuttered? I typed "2nd SuperBowl" and I typed "that game". I didn't mention the season. I was talking about Tom carrying the Offense and Defense for THAT game.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
@@AL.BUNDY. oh wow so you think Brady is just as good as mahomes because of ONE quarter
@AL.BUNDY.
6 ай бұрын
@@albieoval1657 Oh wow. I think I am so mistaken. I assumed u passed the Reading Comprehension part of high school English. Tell me the truth, have u passed high school English? I didn't mention, was talking about, was thinking about, or I wasn't referencing anything about Mahomes. I was only criticizing Bruschi's comment where he was implying he (and his defensive squad) carried Tom by his insinuation Tom was only a complementary piece. I don't know how to explain this to u in any simpler terms, but I was not talking about Mahomes.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
@@AL.BUNDY. Tom Brady was a complimentary piece. Bruschi did mention the panthers game
Get yourself a friend who will stick up for you the way Randy sticks up for Tom
@Star-hg1kt
6 ай бұрын
I know ryt, what a way to run institutions.
@jbceedeez
6 ай бұрын
@calebland160...dude this Hall of Famer Randy Moss...who the heck are " you"? If Mahomes was Ballin back then...he'd be all broke up on crutches...them linebackers took you out...That's why those qb's stayed in pocket...if Mahomes had to be a pocket passer...he would ultimately fail back then... facts my dude...this game is soft now...after Brady, Eli, Brees and others... it kinda sucks now...give me a Joe Burrow that depends on his arm, these Barnum Bailey acts are Killin Football...sorty
Brady's first 6 years was 3 era's ago. You can't compare today's stats to 3 era's ago.
@bsmoove2357
6 ай бұрын
Yes you can
@shawnsanders9450
6 ай бұрын
@@bsmoove2357then you're dumb. Completely different game with different rules.
@thanos8914
6 ай бұрын
@@bsmoove2357no you can’t this is a passing era way less running and defense is worse now since you can’t hit defenseless wrs plus now you can throw over the middle vs when Tom played that would’ve been insane because wr would be knocked out the game not to mention the season is now longer too
@bohunter6091
6 ай бұрын
And compare what? Why are we comparing them anyhow
@user-ki9um4ju9d
6 ай бұрын
If you want to be that nuanced, let's include Brady manipulating the cap by giving the Patriots team discounts on his contracts. Mahomes' cap hit is $37 mil this year, highest in the league. Last year his cap hit was 2nd highest. If he gave the Chiefs a Brady-esque discount to make him 10th highest paid, that's an extra $18 mil to go after an elite receiver.and still have money left over. Imagine what Mahomes' numbers would have looked like this year if they had that extra cap space to resign Juju and pick up Deandre Hopkins.
Im sick of all these premature coronations in sports today. Mahomes is incredible no doubt but Brady hasnt even been retired one year and they are already trying to take him off his throne. Let the kid have his career and then we will have the discussion.
@jibes2239
6 ай бұрын
This is the only thing to talk about.
@DavidMartinez-pg3zq
6 ай бұрын
@@jibes2239 No its not. You got Mr Irrelevant going to the Super Bowl in just two years, can Kyle Shanahan win the big game, Andy Reid vs Belichick, Andy Reid retirement, Kelce retirement, Kelce GOAT etc.
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
@@DavidMartinez-pg3zqThats talked about as well but again there’s only so much you can talk about and I love this goat conversation I’m team Mahomes.
@DavidMartinez-pg3zq
6 ай бұрын
@nextbigthing2917 Do you even watch sports media? There is endless things to talk otherwise we wouldn't be seeing Neverending talk shows, podcasts, sports casts as far as the eye can see. Also you can discuss how Patrick had done thus far but already replacing him as the GOAT is downright disrespectful to Brady. There are several out there who already claim he's the best ever. It's ridiculous. He's not even caught up to Montana also Brady slapped him silly every time they faced off so he will probably never be the goat.
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
@@DavidMartinez-pg3zq He is on pace to be the goat is what people are saying obviously he hasn’t finished his career out but Brady head to head don’t matter because QBs don’t play defense otherwise Eli is better than Brady 2-0. And Mahomes is what’s hot rn and to gain viewership gotta talk about whatever’s hot.
I was about to say, what about Carolina there Bruski? You guys couldn't stop a cold giving up 29 points and Vinatieri missing 2 FG'S. Brady put up over 350 yards 3TD'S in a era where that was ALL WORLD! Being the hero in the last 30 seconds to win it.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
One good quarter
@dakota8381
6 ай бұрын
@@albieoval1657 What about the superbowl vs Philly where he had the best game in SB history with below average weapons but lost because his defense couldn't stop a backup. BRADY gets discredited for that. mahomes gets excused because his defense was swiss cheese against Brady.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
@@dakota8381 that did not happen in his first 6 seasons
@dakota8381
6 ай бұрын
@@albieoval1657 that being your only response is laughable "that doesn't count" Mahomes fans whenever a good point is brought up -
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
@@dakota8381 the entire point of this video is to compare their first six seasons. Mahomes is clearly better. You bringing up Brady past his first six seasons is pretty much accepting that Brady was inferior.
Randy knows what Tom Brady could do with an elite reciever like..himself. 50+ TD's and 16-0 The moment he has real weapons again(Gronk,Edelman,Amendola) 3 SB's Goes to Tampa with weapons at 43 years old 7th SB Patrick Mahomes has had the Greatesst Offensive coach of the era, an above average defence and elite weapons at RB,TE and WR(until this year). To me personaly this is Patricks best year he showed he can adapt and win with what's around him. He has bean Tom Bradyesque
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
Defense hello? Brady had an elite defense for a long time he didn’t have to do shootouts like Mahomes has too because chiefs defense up until this year wasn’t all that great.
@user-ki9um4ju9d
6 ай бұрын
Who was their elite WR weapon last year? lol Also, Brady gave the Patriots enormous team discounts with his contracts. Mahomes was the 2nd highest paid QB last year, and is the highest paid this year. If he gave the team a discount and was like the 10th highest paid, that's $18 million extra dollars ($37 mil cap hit vs $19 mil) to go after an elite WR.
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
@@user-ki9um4ju9d Yes the contract thing does limit weapons but that has nothing to do with Brady vs Mahomes on the field skillset debate.
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
Mahomes has had a crappy WR core last season and this season. He won a superbowl both seasons
@user-cn5mz8ql5f
6 ай бұрын
@@albieoval1657exactly
One qb is coached by a defensive hc and the other offensive hc, who do you think gonna put higher qb stats?
It’s also a difference of one got drafted in the first round to a stacked championship team and was handed the starting job. The other was a 6th rounder and had to work for the starting job.
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
Not Mahomes fault he actually has more talent to carry his team 🤷♂️
@Soccercrazyigboman
6 ай бұрын
Stacked championship team? Brady had stacked teams especially amazing defenses and coaching
@stevenfeken508
6 ай бұрын
@@Soccercrazyigboman Chiefs were in the playoffs every year with Alex Smith. And since when? What year did the Patriots have a team that wasn’t filled with 3rd and 7th rounders that were cut from other teams?
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
Wasn't handed bro. He sat on the bench Year 1 like Brady did
@MikkiChavez
6 ай бұрын
@@stevenfeken508tf does getting to playoffs got to do with having a championship team? Lol Cheifs never had a defense good enough. Mahomes comes along & defense doesn't matter, Reid is best coach ever & Kelce the Goat TE. NONE of this was prior to Mahomes & Reid had 17 seasons & Kelce had 5. Give it a rest
The career Mahomes has had already, is literally unbelievable. The guy is special.
@o4tw382
6 ай бұрын
Mahomes didn’t necessarily perform well in all of Super Bowl - matter of fact he actually didn’t perform well at all The first one should’ve been Damien Williams SBMVP
@xsmin468
6 ай бұрын
@@o4tw382he averages 89 qb passed rating. Which means the defense bailed him out of some Super bowls
@Rosepapi
6 ай бұрын
@@o4tw3823tds with a passer rating of 131.8 in the last Super Bowl. Cope harder.
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
@@Rosepapinice cherry picked stat 😂
@xsmin468
6 ай бұрын
I meant tom brady
They are talking about the way Mahomes played this year in the playoffs like he's on fire for just managing the game and not having a negative play and letting his defense and running game do the job done, but then talk about Brady doing the same thing in his first couple years as a starter as if he was playing poorly and just doing the bare minimum. Brady also won a shootout in his second super bowl with no weapons.
@user-lt1fx2he5s
6 ай бұрын
They won those first three super bowls because of defense and special teams
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
Listening comprehension is key. None of those guys were talking down on Brady. They're comparing the first 6 years and it's just factual that Brady wasn't asked to do the things that Patrick was asked to do. Plus it was a run first league back then and the rules weren't as QB friendly as they are now. But to counter your point about Mahomes in this year's playoffs, it's crazy that in a year where he's "managing the game" he still has better stats than Brady in those playoff years where they considered Brady a game manager.
@HoldenCoughfield
6 ай бұрын
@@user-lt1fx2he5s By that logic then Mahomes is only in this Superbowl because of the defense
@user-lt1fx2he5s
6 ай бұрын
@@HoldenCoughfield But this is the first time during Patrick Mahomes career that he’s had a top 5-10 defense so the last two times he’s won the Super Bowl he was the main catalyst
@HoldenCoughfield
6 ай бұрын
@@user-lt1fx2he5sthat's fine as long as you're ok saying the only reason Patrick is here and potentially winning this Superbowl is due to their defense and not him
Bruschi is as good analyst as I am a great QB. He forgets that his "great defense" ended up 5-11 the year prior to TB12, could not make it in SBXXXI and did not make it past the divisional round before Tom tookover, he can show his rings now, that came after Tom ascended, and by the way, that great defense allowed 29 points in XBXXXIV. I don't disrispect Mahome-boy, he is great, but come on, he came in a team that consistently was make in it to the playoffs and was loaded. Not to mention the game rules that in this era favour the offense. It simply is not a fair comparison.
Mahomes got exposed in the superbowl against Brady while Brady sliced his defense up. It’s levels to this
@rygellgajadin8678
6 ай бұрын
Bro did not have an offensive line whatsoever. Imagine if brady with no mobility had that line guy wouldve been injured and out of the game q1.
@babyjesus1056
6 ай бұрын
@@rygellgajadin8678 bud his whole line that played in the regular season when he dropped the 200 first quarter yards played in the superbowl except Eric fisher. One lineman wasn’t the reason he got exposed if u think so then basicaly ur telling me he got exposed 😂😂😂
@cameron1221
6 ай бұрын
@@babyjesus1056exactly this. Idk why Mahomes meat gobblers always cite the O Line as the reason for losing to Brady. Lol. Excuses
@givenchie462
6 ай бұрын
@@rygellgajadin8678you have no clue.. Brady won a Super Bowl down 28-3 WITHOUT GRONK😂😂 mahomes will be nothing without kelce
@Terror832
6 ай бұрын
Quarterbacks *don’t* play defense on each other. The *BUCS* defense made Mahomes look bad, not Brady.
Tbh i don't get caught up by the whole GOAT QB debate considering that Mahomes still has a long way to catch up Brady's careert total accomplishment. ... However,, if you compare them on those first seasons as starters then Patrick Mahomes has the edge over Brady thus far in their first six years, according to that stat line on the show. Thats also if he wins his third Superbowl. But that's where the debate stops given that Brady has won 7 Superbowl and has other accomplishments/stats that will take Patrick years to accomplish.
I'm so glad Randy passed tedy. Different time, and Brady didn't have what Patrick had. Nor is he the athlete mahomes is.
@JC-db7so
6 ай бұрын
Patrick stated his career with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. Imagine if Tom started his career with Moss and Gronk.
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
Brady had the better defense and defense wins games we saw this in Super Bowl 55 didn’t we although Mahomes oline that game was atrocious.
@user-cv2rb4rv5l
6 ай бұрын
@@nextbigthing2917 Brady carried those teams!! That same defense was 5-11 in 2000, 8-8 in 1999, 9-7 in 1998, and and started 2001 0-2!!!!
@benblak23
6 ай бұрын
Soooo he’s better. 😂😂😂
Mahomes had a super team out the gates
@ashokathegreat4534
6 ай бұрын
Better talents get better clubs
It’s not a debate who’s better, it will come down to longevity and a great team around Patrick if he wants the same career
It's ok to say this kid is better the first 6yrs. His play from day one, his leadership, his talent, his numbers ,just no denying it !..Teddy was thier, he should know !..✌️
The 2021 bucs defense gets no credit its sad
@albieoval1657
6 ай бұрын
They dealt with Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes. They struggled against heineke
@bigchungus1848
6 ай бұрын
Shaq Barret, JPP, Ndamukong Suh, Vita Vea, Devin White, and Lavonte David we’re all beasts.
Regardless of era and rule changes, Pat has been the better QB through six years. I don’t think that is debatable (eye test included).
@HbAz783V
6 ай бұрын
That is true, but using statistics without understanding the difference between surrounding offensive talent, era, and coaching schemes makes the difference look far greater than it actually is.
@ghostx4747
6 ай бұрын
I don't think Pat would do well when the defenses were able to hit QBs.
They should also throw pass attempts up on the screen too mahomes has like 4x the amount of pass attempts
Brady was never truly considered the "best" quarterback... You had drew brees Aaron Rodgers,Peyton Manning and now Patrick mahomes but Brady is the "greatest" there's a difference.. so to me it doesn't matter if there's 50 quarterbacks that are "better" none of them are Greater
@simple7eats
6 ай бұрын
stop it
@TheMissiIe
6 ай бұрын
@simple7eats he's right. Look at it from basketball. Lebron is a better basketball player than Jordan, but Jordan's greatness will never be matched. People are impressed by Mahomes and Lebron, but people are mesmerised by Brady and Jordan
@leothelion2593
6 ай бұрын
This is just a lie lol
@simple7eats
6 ай бұрын
@@TheMissiIe 😂😂😂 bro, we won a super bowl in his 40s. Nobody is mesmerized. Mahomes was in the same league and lost to him twice. Those are hard facts. Not anything else fam
@simple7eats
6 ай бұрын
@@TheMissiIe he*
It was also a different league during Bradys first 6 years... The game itself was played different.. the rules were different
@evileyevalaus
6 ай бұрын
Yet Payton Rodgers and others was able to put up insane numbers yes the rules was different but let's stop trying to use that as a excuse it's ok that mahomes is better then Brady at this point in both careers Brady is still the GOAT it hasn't changed yet
@HbAz783V
6 ай бұрын
@@evileyevalaus Rodgers didn't start until 2008 after several rule changes that hindered the defense were enacted. Rodgers also started his career with Donal Driver, Greg Jennings, and a young Jordy Nelson. Peyton was elite during the early 2000s, but he had Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne. Brady was given a 5-11 team with a more conservative (clock-management) offensive scheme with Troy Brown as his only PB WR over his first 6 seasons. Additionally, both Peyton & Rodgers fell into a West Coast or Air Coryell offense which is high flying, pass first offensive scheme which is what Brady joined when he went to Tampa. There he threw back to back 40+ TD seasons at 43 and 44 years old.
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
@HbAz783V and weren't James Jones/Jermichael Finley also there as rookies ? Manning also had Dallas Clark, Stokley, and Edgerrin James
@HbAz783V
6 ай бұрын
@@jctslice Yup. I mean I'll say Jones & Finley were similar talents to Troy Brown & Patten, but Manning always had a great offense and included a start RB. Brady over the 1st 6 years had none of that, so to blindly compare anyone without bringing up context is baffling to me.
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
@@HbAz783Vbro you are dumb Brady never won a SB without a top 5 defense while also having a top 5 defense 95% of his career. This is the first time Mahomes has
I'll always listen to discussions when Randy and/or Tedy's name pops up lol.
people seem to forget what happened in super bowl LV 🤣
Peyton Manning, Arron Rodgers, Rivers and Big Ben all put up big stat numbers in that same era that Brady played in. So it’s not a excuse period.
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
The first 6 years as a starter for Brady was from 2001-2006. Only QB you just named that was putting up stats like that was Peyton. Rodgers didn't even start until 2008. New England in Brady's first 6 years was a team built on defense. The league was a run first league back then. So it isn't an excuse, its facts.
@HbAz783V
6 ай бұрын
Peyton had Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne. Aaron Rodgers didn't start until 2008 after many of the defensive rules were implemented and started with Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and a young Jordy Nelson. Rivers started in 2006 (also after most of the defensive rules changed) and he started with Ladanian Thomlinson & Antonio Gates. Note all 3 of these players either used West Coast or Air Coryell offenses which were higher passing volume offensive schemes than the Erhart-Perkins scheme that Brady used. The only QB on this list that used the same offensive scheme as Brady was Big Ben. Big Ben between 2004-2006 (at the end of the defensive era) threw for 8,519 yards, 52TDs:43INTs with Hines Ward as his best WR. Brady between 2004-2006 with Deion Branch as his best WR had 11,331 yards, 78TDS:40INTs. So over that 3 year timeframe Brady threw for 2812 more yards, 26 more TDs and 3 less INTs. To put this into perspective Ben averaged 2840 yards & 17.3 TDs over that 3 year period, meaning Brady threw almost another full season worth of yards & 1.5 more seasons of TDs than Ben during the defensive era.
@myshepspud1
6 ай бұрын
Read that back. Who's in this current period that's not a show pony that actually can win a superbowl? They all flashy but most don't have the temperament you mentioned.
Their numbers in the first 6 seasons are actually close, and when you "adjust for inflation" ( you have to because it might as well have been another game in Brady's early days), it looks that much better for Brady. For some reason, people always forget to "adjust" in this particular case, when they are quick to in other cases.
@user-ki9um4ju9d
6 ай бұрын
Should we also adjust because Brady gave the Patriots a HUGE team discount and was like the 10th-20th highest paid QB while Mahomes this year is the highest paid at $37 mil cap hit for 2023 and was the 2nd highest paid last year? If Mahomes was the 10th highest paid QB this year, the Chiefs would have had an extra $18 million to grab an elite receiver like Deandre Hopkins with plenty of money left over.
@myshepspud1
6 ай бұрын
@user-ki9um4ju9d So if Mahomes wasn't greedy? Poor argument.
I think the top 3 QBs ever are 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Mahomes
@reggie7408
6 ай бұрын
Replace Manning with Montana
@marsrecordings
6 ай бұрын
Mahomes never has had a down year like manning. Manning is top 10 Not top 3. 1. Brady 2. Montana 2. Mahomes for now
@spevington
6 ай бұрын
@@marsrecordingsnever has had a bad team either.
Love how nobody rings up the difference in the rules that Tom played under vs mahomes
@evosmith12
6 ай бұрын
How do the rules affect the fact that Tom has a losing record in the playoffs when down 7, while Pat is 9-2?
Tom was not asked to do alot until after they exited the playoffs in 2005. The defense that backed up brady in their first dynasty included: bruschi, ty law, richard seymour, willi mcginest, rodney harrison and lawyer milloy ( he wasnt part of the 03 and 04 superbowl teams. Only 01). Cant count out vinatieri who is the most clutch kicker of all time. Brady and belichek should be equally credited for the dynasty at least.
This is the part where we tilt our head back and laugh..... 😂😂😂😂😂
If u close ur eyes I swear that’s Kermit talking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They need to mention the rule changes since the early 2000's. Every quarterback's stats are inflated compare to then lol. What's more fair is compare the years that Brady and Mahomes both played at the SAME TIME (2018-2022).
@mikejames5747
6 ай бұрын
They need to mention spygate or deflategate
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
How is that fair when Mahomes is a young buck and Brady is a seasoned veteran that has seen everything?
@JamesJiansen
6 ай бұрын
@@MrAWeezy86 A counter argument is Brady was 40-45 years old.
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
@@JamesJiansen It doesn't matter. That still isn't a fair comparison. 40-45 years old Brady was still very capable of balling out and he did so. But it's not the physical gifts that propels him, it's his mental. The fact that he knows what the defense is doing and how to get the ball out of his hand before taking a hit. That comes with experience. Something Pat is still gaining.
@robruthless5011
6 ай бұрын
That’s not a counter argument to the point of the video which was comparing the first six years of their careers. Mahomes first year as a starter bested any season that Brady ever had statistically. Pat had to carry his team because they had the one of the worst defenses in the league. To me Tom is the unquestioned GOAT but it’s not blasphemous to acknowledge what Mahomes has done to this point.
Thank you Teddy. Straight from Brady's former defensive teamates mouth. No revisionist history here.
@user-cv2rb4rv5l
6 ай бұрын
He's clearly wrong!!! Brady carried those teams!! That same defense was 5-11 in 2000, 8-8 in 1999, 9-7 in 1998, and and started 2001 0-2!!!!
The speed at which Tom processes the play is number 1 but mahomes is more all round
Bruschi is absolutely correct
@davis2k1234
6 ай бұрын
He’s always been jealous of Brady his exact same team and defense was 5-13 w Bledsoe and Brady comes in 14-3 super bowl
@spevington
6 ай бұрын
eh, they won their second superbowl because of brady. third superbowl was 50/50. brady just wasnt stat stuffing because thats just not how the offense was built to run it was based more on the run game
These people are so disrespectful to Tom it’s insane. No ONE called Brady the GOAT until ring number 5. You tell me which Patriots team besides 07 was better than Patrick’s teams. If Kelce is the GOAT tight end, Patrick ‘the other GOAT’ has been playing with him his entire career. What best did Brady play with?? Is Moss the best WR now?? You guys are hilarious
@owmegwoagm
6 ай бұрын
Both guys are excellent and were surrounded by stacked teams, no need to revise history… Pat didn’t win a Super Bowl where the other team only scored 3 points tho
@RunesField
6 ай бұрын
@@owmegwoagm so we should criticize Tom for having a great defense? The other team scored 3 points…whose fault is that? I don’t think you’re making the point you think you’re making
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
That's because we knew Brady wasn't that talented, so he had to prove more. Mahomes IS that talented, so he just has to get close enough for us to believe that he could be Brady. Kelce isn't the GOAT TE. Gronk is. When Brady had the 07 Patriots with Moss that was 18-0, he choked in the Super Bowl
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
@@RunesField not criticize, but put in context that Brady had a lot of help in getting those rings. Legendary defenses and arguable GOAT kicker
@owmegwoagm
6 ай бұрын
@@RunesField Nah I made the exact point I wanted to, you're too dense to understand.
Bro all it takes is your eyes is to say Patrick is better than. He definitely would’ve gotten Moss a ring btw.
@givenchie462
6 ай бұрын
Your a kid who started watching football in 2017
@Gotzit
6 ай бұрын
Umm Brady beat mahomes in a Super Bowl and afc championship…Brady put up over 500 years of passing in a superbowl loss….
@bsmoove2357
6 ай бұрын
@@givenchie462and you’re Brady meathead who can’t appreciate no one other than Brady
@bsmoove2357
6 ай бұрын
@@GotzitMahomes had no o line and Dee ford was offsides
@sirhoopalot1125
6 ай бұрын
@@bsmoove2357 thank you
Y’all already trying to Anoint Pat and act like The GOAT TB12 🐐 Didn’t just put together Thee Best Career in NFL History Yes, Pat is That Dude and has what it takes to push Brady for GOAT Status Pat is already A GOAT and Best in The Game RN But He’s still not TB12 The GOAT 🐐 Patrick has to keep doing what He’s been doing to even have a shot at somehow moving over the best we’ve ever seen Brady beat Mahomes in KC to go get His 6th in NE and then beat Mahomes again in The SUPERBowl for Brady’s 7th 🏆 TB12 🐐
@evileyevalaus
6 ай бұрын
You do realize everyone calls Tom Brady the goat right? Just because mahomes in 6 years is better than Brady 6 years is doesn't change that y'all Brady fans hate anything that doesn't say Brady is better than anyone at anything🤦🏾♂️
@CSDonohue11
6 ай бұрын
@@evileyevalaus take it easy , creepy guy
This is so dushonest....the league was HEAVILY run based when Tom Entered the league.....it was a totally different era of football 15+ years ago and they know that. Yet thet put up pass yards per game and pass td to prop mahomes up.
Today is all about QB play fellas
91 more pass TDs than Brady is insane. That’s like 3 seasons lol
@ballinforlife9
6 ай бұрын
It’s a different league. They actually played defense in Brady’s first 6 years and were allowed to hit the QB.
@Gotzit
6 ай бұрын
Comparing apples and oranges, the league in 2000 was completely different. If anything Dan Marino throwing for 5000 plus yards in the 80s is the greatest offensive year by a qb ever
@user-lt1fx2he5s
6 ай бұрын
@@ballinforlife9Remember they changed the rules because of Tom Brady
@bsmoove2357
6 ай бұрын
@@ballinforlife9I know what you’re doing stop it
@shawnsanders9450
6 ай бұрын
completely different era. Brady was getting over 40 TD'S and 5k yards a year as a SENOIR CITIZEN in today's NFL. Numbers way better than Brady's prime.
tom never had gronk those 6 seasons so ill take the guy with less weapons
Tom is 3-1 in playoffs when throwing 3 interceptions. that part!
Either they forget or they don’t want to say that Brady beat Patrick in the AFC Championship and the Super Bowl. Debate ended!!!!!! Brady Goat!!!!!!!!
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
That's not a debate ender. If that was the case, Brady's losses to .500 qb Eli would disqualify him
@josevigil6390
6 ай бұрын
@@jctslice no because we talking about Goat status which Eli ain’t in that convo!!!
@gunguru7020
6 ай бұрын
Except the debate isn't is Eli better than Brady. Its Brady vs. Mahomes. 0-2 heads up in games that matter.
The headline for that stat line was created to believe Tom had 4 sb wins by his 7th season. With a small caption 2007-2022 seasons to cover it up. Until Mahomes has 7 SB wins this will be the new Jordan vs Lebron debate, with revisionist and "caught in the moment" history.
I love it adding more fuel to the fire
I’m waiting for a NFL defense to step up actually make it hard on Patrick
@harinderrana9735
6 ай бұрын
The Bucs did in Superbowl 55.
@Solznmid
6 ай бұрын
@@harinderrana9735 Ehh more like his line was cooked due to injury and his receivers decided they can’t catch passes that literally hit them in the face mask 😭
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
Kinda impossible with his style of play, as long as his receivers can catch. In Super Bowl 55 he was throwing that ball in unimaginable ways and hitting receivers. From what I’ve seen only time Mahomes loses is when his team lets him down.
@spevington
6 ай бұрын
@@nextbigthing2917brady beat him on the pats
I think Tom is better just off the fact you know he can’t run he won’t run for 10-20 yards you kno he stationary you know he might not be the “most talented” Patrick Mahomes does all that he’s acrobatic n all of this but the fact you kno Brady gone just gone sit there n throw makes him a lot more better just sit there n throw throw pick you apart is wild
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
But Patrick does both. Not sure I get your point there buddy. 🤨
@Ant_561
6 ай бұрын
@@MrAWeezy86 because if I kno a guy one dimensional how does he keep beating me ?? All he gone do is throw where as to Mahomes he can beat me arms n legs I feel like I guy that’s one dimensional should be easier to beat imo
@MrAWeezy86
6 ай бұрын
@@Ant_561 Most quarterbacks aren't dual threats. Therefor as a QB you can be very successful and still not have to use your feet. And Pat isn't a running QB. Check the stats. He makes timely runs but overall he doesn't rely on his feet as much as a Lamar, Jalen, or Josh do. But know this, the more tools you have at your disposal, the bigger threat you are. Pat can sit in the pocket and do just as well as Tom. It doesn't make you better just because you can do one thing very very good when you have another person that can match that very very good plus more.
@Ant_561
6 ай бұрын
@@MrAWeezy86 never said pat was a running qb but if u look at his clutch games he took off he can do at any game where as to Brady can’t or won’t and I never said pat couldn’t throw the ball I said he can beat you both ways…and more than half the QBs in the league now yes they are mostly dual threats there’s a few that’s stationary that’s “successful” and honestly that list might end at Joe burrow and he’s barely successful as of now we see how his career plays out
@takerfan4ever
4 ай бұрын
@@MrAWeezy86his point was Brady didn't need to be able to run to beat you. It's the equivalent of how people use lbj 3pt shooting in the goat debate. Sure lbj is a better 3 point shooter, but he Jordan didn't need the 3 point shot to be killer. Brady was better in the pocket and the better decision maker.. it's all he needed
Alex Smith can't talk about Tom lol
gotta rebut randy’s point about path in 2020 when Tom won with my Bucs we played Washington on the road with Chase Young and that defense Drew Brees and the Saints on the road and Rogers and the Packers on the road to make it to the Super bowl
Tom Brady career is so mind boggling that Patrick's 1st 6 seasons only would put a small dent into bradys career accomplishments. Mahomes will basically need to do what he just accomplished his 1st 6 seasons 2 more times to even catch brady🤯. Mahomes is the best player ever but that GOAT convo gonna tough, Winning 3 in a row would give him a great chance tho💯
If I was playing these days, I wouldn't even worry about all that talk. I just play football and have fun
The Mahomes-Brady debate will be the new Jordan-LeBron debate in the years to come.
@adonasbuhr2784
6 ай бұрын
The Jordan-Lebron comparison is real. This feels manufactured to me.
Mahomes benefits from a softer and offense friendly league
Why do people always wanna replace everybody and try to use a new guy to take something away from someone else. Too obsessed with how they compare next to others that don’t play anymore.
@Rosepapi
6 ай бұрын
Ppl are witnessing greatness and speaking on it real time. Eventually ppl get replaced it’s how it goes. There was Montana before the guy you worship in Brady. Stop crying.
@ghostx4747
6 ай бұрын
@@Rosepapi Greatness was Brady for 23 years. The Mahomes glazing is wild.
@Rosepapi
6 ай бұрын
@@ghostx4747 Glazing is overstating, pointing out facts and what he’s done in a short time is not. Dude is great, you can hate all you want.
@ghostx4747
6 ай бұрын
@Rosepapi first 6 years of Brady's career he went up against real defenses. Mahomes first 6 years, defenses were getting nerfed. Mahomes wouldn't do well against defenses back then. Y'all forget about that.
He NEVER. BEAT. TOM. (Edited to add a period)
People want to pay and see patrick mahomes. If patrick mahomes opened his own football league and he played in it the NFL rating will drop and pat mahomes league will go up. Brady could not do that
@FreshPrincex4
Ай бұрын
The amount of times people went to go see just brady. Yeah you're capping. Brady was just as exciting to watch as Mahomes. Only difference is Mahomes is more flashy
Mahomes is a Genie but lets slow down with comparing him to Brady. Brady did the most of his winning etc when defenders could actually hit the QB, you only have to look at pat and you're getting flagged. so much more friendly towards the passing game right now, brady was putting up crazy numbers at 42+ years old at the Bucs was proof of that. Pat was drafted to a 11-5 winning team with weapons' galore, these guys couldn't name a weapon Brady had before Randy. Pat is turning into the ultimate game manager, this term was used as an insult towards QB (Cam etc) but bcos Pat is excelling in that and has All time Great coaching we are saying its a good thing now. Brady was before and after his own time. Give him what Pat has had his whole career and im certain he would have won more
They totally missed Moss point. Brady didn't have as much to work, so Mahomes should have the better first 6. It doesn't mean he was necessarily better those first 6.
Brady already beat him in the playoffs twice to win a sb. Has more sb wins then anybody. Tom has a superbowl win with two teams. Nobody is catching him in the goat talk yet.
People are making excuses like stat inflation. Screw the first 6 years, Brady does not have a 6 year stretch in his WHOLE CAREER where he was this successful in the regular season and postseason, both statistically and accolades wise.
Your all like Brady college coaches always thinking the grass in greener not realising the greatness in front of you. Let's see what happens when Reid retires and Kelcie slows down. But Brady first 6 years are completely different, just look at the playoff fields. Back then players when balling in slop, now they have perfect fields always.
Kelce carries kermit
@joshsanders2820
6 ай бұрын
😂😂
@walteranderson485
6 ай бұрын
Hater!!!
ESPN with the biased gaslighting headlines of “Moss doesn’t think Mahomes isn’t NECESSARILY BETTER THAN TOM BRADY.” There was no nuance in Randy’s mind. There is no comparison in his mind. Randy was Tom all the way in the context of this argument bar none.
@millabasset1710
5 ай бұрын
Tom Played in the 2000s, which was a much more defense focused era and there were tougher players.
This guys comparing Mahomes to the GREAT Tom Brady. I hope KC loses TODAY see what they’re going to say next..
@user-ch4ld2co6c
6 ай бұрын
People were saying the same thing about Brady and Montana. Until Brady got his 4th ring. It's not mahomas saying he is the goat. He's saying he is doing what Brady did. He took a little less money he always talks about Brady with the most respect.
Teddy Speaking Facts cause of Drew Bledsoe
Everything has to be put in perspective Of course Mahomes is gonna throw more tds cuz Brady era wasn’t passing league
Brady has set the standard so high that the media(as I predicted)will have to create a whole new criteria on what the Goat is. In my opinion, Mahomes has to win6 Sb MVP’s to become the Goat.
Not yet but he's on his way
Bro, Tom Brady has seven Super Bowls like we are not doing this are we?
And I really hate that the media does this Career vs career bs, it’s not as good for sports as people think to pit these great players against each other. Why can’t Tom be great, and Pat be great?
give brady kelce and cheetah in the beginning of his career lolz
Considering you can't touch mahomes without drawing half a dozen flags who is surprised by those stats.
@ss_IIII
6 ай бұрын
you can just dont hit in the head and neck area, VERY simple rule
@adarkwind4712
6 ай бұрын
@ricky__s and below the knees and don't land on them and don't lead in with your head hitting them in the chest. Except we've literally watched someone get a perfect tackle and still get a flag. So, no, not a simple rule.
Patrick has thrown 91 more TDS, that's impressive.
@spevington
6 ай бұрын
different eras, defensive minded team vs offensive minded team. mahomes had better weapons. mahomes is still better no doubt skill wise but i think its a false narrative because brady was always good they just hadnt opened him up yet
Lions had the 49ers, unfortunately they just made a few lucky catches it won’t happen with the Chiefs
Mahommes is definitely better QB at this point, longevity plays a part but a game is not played over 20 years if it comes down to one game at this point mahommes is better
@gunguru7020
6 ай бұрын
Really? What happened when Brady and Mahomes met in the playoffs and SB?
@Liam-zu3yz
6 ай бұрын
@@gunguru7020 last I checked QBs play defenses? The chiefs offensive line was all hurt and tampa bays defense was very good. And you’re missing the argument we are talking about the first 7 seasons. Brady won his first Super Bowl while throwing one TD in the whole postseason, holding the greatest show on turf to 14 points, vinateri making impossible field goals, and of course the tuck rule. Brady was never considered the best quarterback in the league his first 7 seasons Manning was. Nobody is questioning whether mahommes is the best. Brady vs Mahommes up until this point is not even close mahommes is much better
@ghostx4747
6 ай бұрын
@Liam-zu3yz Last I checked in Brady's first 6 years, defense could actually hit. Mahomes came into a league while the defenses were getting nerfed.
@nextbigthing2917
6 ай бұрын
@@gunguru7020Eli is better than Brady he’s 2-0 but wait we all know Eli ain’t better than Brady because QBs don’t play defense.
@davis2k1234
6 ай бұрын
@@Liam-zu3yzBrady’s 2004 stats going for 3rd super bowl 28TDs 14 INts 3692Yards 93QB rating 7.8YPA 2023 Mahomes going for 3rd super bowl 27TDs 14INT 4186Yards 93QB rating 7.0YPA Saying Peyton with a dream team offense in dome was better then Brady because of stats is like saying Purdy is a better QB then Mahomes win or loss today because ue had better stats Brady was the best QB in the NFL by 2003 but the media hated him and tried give all the credit to Belichick (dumbest sports take of all time as we now know) better stats/team doesn’t me better QB
Tedy, how many Super Bowls did you make it to with Bledsoe? What were defenses and rules like those first 6 years vs the last 7 years? Why was Brady, at a much older and slower age, individually better in his last years than his first first 12? If he actually had a critical thinking skills, like Moss, he'd understand why he thinks Mahomes looks better in his first 6.
its a completely different league now plus tom brady was clutch and a game manager back then on top of being a 6 round pick, lets just let mahomes career play out before having him overtake brady
Tampa bays playoff run all road games Washington, New Orleans, Green Bay, to play chiefs in the Super Bowl and smoked em
Patrick is great but he still has to work towards being the 🐐. If he can get five or six super bowls then we can talk the greatest of all time.
@sirhoopalot1125
6 ай бұрын
Brady couldn’t even get Moss a ring 😂
First 6 I’m taking Mahomes. Brady was great for his circumstance. But Mahomes took the chiefs to a different level. Brady held the ship steady and it took ten years to win again. That’s when Brady went to goat mode.
He's always had great players around him Troy Brown was a good receiver Deion Branch Wes Welker and their defense was loaded always
@spevington
6 ай бұрын
those guys were all undersized medium speed decent quickness possession guys which are nice but you cant take the top off the defense like you can with tyreek and kelce
Blk QB's matter ✊️💯 Mahomes breaking barriers & let the racist get mad seeing a blk QB in the GOAT conversation over wht QB'S
@T.U.F.Y.
6 ай бұрын
His dad black but seems to be more influenced by his mother’s side than dads.
@petealmonte1623
6 ай бұрын
Crazy how Theo somehow managed to make this about race... Typical
@geraldcoleman4410
6 ай бұрын
✊🏿PowerNomics Dr. Claud Anderson books 📚
@Teddy42O
6 ай бұрын
@T.U.F.Y. He's blk & gets called a N word by whites & non blacks, and his mom a N word lover by whts & non blks
@Trey9876
6 ай бұрын
@@T.U.F.Y. He's black, u must be white & mad your race of women wants some BBC & not you insecure race of men 😂
At least Mahomes/Reid doesn't have a history of repeatedly cheating. That alone makes Mahomes better in my eyes.
Bro they went in on tom
The thing abt Brady is he was THAT good for 20 years! We’re abt to see if Pat has the stuff in a couple years when Kelce retires and he has to start from scratch going into his 30s
Of course randy gone say that and I agree
Mahomes got on a team that was already talented, they just had a terrible quarterback and they still went to the playoffs So of course he's gonna have success in his first six years. Not saying he's not a great quarterback but he's not playing with garbage and turning them into gold
Patrick Mahomes baby!
Preach Randy!! “Give me his weapons” Teddy is a low key jealous hater of Brady he wants to take credit for 2001 but his same defense was 5-13 w Bledsoe as QB nice try Teddy
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Mahomes has been better comparing first six seasons. However all time Mahomes is not in the conversation yet. Brady had to win 5 before he was universally acknowledged better than Montana. Brady is 2-0 head to head in the post season vs Mahomes. Mahomes will need 8 championships as a starting qb to surpass Brady.
@bsmoove2357
6 ай бұрын
He doesn’t need 8
@EiLLskillz
6 ай бұрын
@smoove3968 8 I says and I explained why
@jctslice
6 ай бұрын
@@bsmoove2357 I would say 4-5 would be enough since he's more talented than Brady
@adonasbuhr2784
6 ай бұрын
Brady had to win six before he clearly passed Montana.
@EiLLskillz
6 ай бұрын
@adonasbuhr2784 you're in the minority with that take. The way he led the comeback against Atlanta and surpassed everyone in rings and Super bowl mvps made him the best when he won his fifth. Its well documented.
I think Randy Moss forgot that Mahomes won one without Reek . With Juju basically as his best receiver outside Kelce that year .
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
If he ends up winning a Super Bowl without Kelce he will have shown that it’s him who’s the reason they win and elevates everyone’s play but also win a SB when Andy Reid leaves
@psun316
6 ай бұрын
Compare JuJu to David Givens or Deion Branch. Not much better on some of those early SB wins for TB.
@CalculatedKrazy
6 ай бұрын
@@ariicihe’s already done that , and this year he has a rookie receiver who’s basically his best receiver this year . And possibly can win today .
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
@@psun316 you forgetting Brady’s top 5 defense compared to every year Mahomes has been in the SB besides this year
@ariici
6 ай бұрын
@@CalculatedKrazy hes never won without kelce wdym? or without Andy Reid?