I’m part of drone deer recovery and man there are so many deer that get wounded with archery. It’s way worse than what you would think. High FOC is the way to go in my opinion.

@The_Judge300

27 күн бұрын

Just read some of the comments here from people using light setups and claim that they never lose a deer... I have been breeding and training tracking dogs for 30 years and that has without a doubt showed me that extremely many hunters are lying about their kill ration when hunting. Specially with archery gear. The first 10 years, hunters almost only contacted me after they couldn't find their trophy bucks and I thought it was extremely strange that they only had crap shots and poor penetration when shooting at trophy bucks, but never when they shot at does. As they experienced that me and my tracking dogs were of extreme help, they started to ask me track does as well and when all those calls came in, and some admitted that they had lost many does before they started to use me for that, I really started to realize how huge this problem was. And the reality was also that guys that used light arrows with mechanical broadheads needed my tracking help a lot more than the ones using heavier arrows and fixed broadheads. I had hunters that used 350 grain arrows with large cutting mechanicals from 50lbs bows because they had seen that the Drury brothers used it... I am not saying that 650 grain arrows are needed for deer at all, but a 500 grain arrow with 12-15% foc and a very sharp cut on contact broadhead works VERY well in my opinion.

@glennl9630

24 күн бұрын

​@@The_Judge300 yea no way

I've had 3 bone hits with a heavy setup. With 650 and single bevel, An elk humerus and a spine and pass through the bone. A 550 grain with a mechanical and hit the neck vertebrae and wedged between the discs as the deer jump string and turned his head to bolt and that arrow didn't get through the neck discs.

Bow Hunting to me was never meant to be a long range proposition, (( 60,70, 80, 100yrds )) the idea always was to get close and personal to a wild animal and go home with it, if you can shoot long distance good for you 😎👍I'm not that guy ... 😎🏹🦌

@feelslikefar50

21 күн бұрын

Whenever I watch videos and see people ask questions like that, my thought is... "Solving this problem is simple, start Bow Hunting". Stop trying to shoot things at those distances. Sort of like the modern "muzzle loader" guys who want to shoot 150-200+ yards. "Start muzzle loading". Stop trying to use these things like something they're not. The hardest thing about bow hunting isn't in shooting the animal, it's in NOT shooting at animals. (ones you COULD shoot with something else.) A 500 yard shot doesn't impress me. A 5 yard shot does. Hunt more. "Do all your hunting BEFORE you pull the trigger."

@glennl9630

15 күн бұрын

80 yard shot would be far with a rifle by me😂

@progradepainting3755

5 күн бұрын

@@feelslikefar50 I’ll make it even easier for you. if you can’t shoot a modern day muzzleloader out to 150 yards, don’t even hunt, because you haven’t put the work in to do it effectively. End of story. I’m blowing 1 gallon water jugs up all day long with my muzzle loader at 300 + yards.

@feelslikefar50

5 күн бұрын

(hunting with a modern inline is like kissing your sister. If you need to tell yourself "it's the same thing..." well, then we can't help you.)

Really enjoyed this video and the insights on arrow dynamics and hunting! The discussion on arrow weight, momentum, and penetration was fascinating. I noticed the term "scalar" was used in a way that seemed different from its physics definition. For clarity: Scalar: A quantity with only magnitude, no direction (e.g., mass, temperature). Vector: A quantity with both magnitude and direction (e.g., velocity, force). Kinetic Energy (KE): A scalar quantity representing energy of motion. KE = 1/2 × mass × velocity^2. It increases dramatically with speed but doesn't have direction. Momentum: A vector quantity representing mass in motion. Momentum = mass × velocity. It has both magnitude and direction, increasing linearly with mass and speed. It's worth noting that while kinetic energy is a scalar (it just tells us "how much" energy), momentum is a vector (it tells us "how much" and "which way"). Would you be open to collaborating with physics enthusiasts for some controlled tests? It could be interesting to see how these concepts play out in carefully measured experiments. I don't have a physics background, but I have equipment that might be useful: LabRadar Arrows ranging from 342 grains to ~620 grains Bow configurable from 55lbs to 80lbs, tunable for any of these arrows I'd love to learn more and potentially help with rigorous testing. It could be a great way to combine practical archery knowledge with careful experiments. I have a few other people who would be interested in helping as well.

Fairy says the arrow shaft plugs the hole and prevents tension pneumothorax unless there is a pass thru, explain to me how a .204 arrow plugs a 2”+ hole from a giant cut mechanical….. please explain that.

@progradepainting3755

5 күн бұрын

@@forgerat that’s a good point.

shooting to try to keep the arrow inside the animal is a terrible idea. Animal stress, partial penetration, plugged hole, broken arrow.

Great show guys! It never ceases to amaze me how people can't just take what information they can use from a presentation and leave the rest and move on. By the way, to the ignorant person bashing Dr Ashby's study, the Ashby Foundation has picked up where Dr Ashby left off. Over the last 2 years, the Foundation has been testing Dr Ashby's study with Compound Bows. Wouldn't you know it, the 12 steps equally applies to modern Compounds. Good day all!

@jeffmichel4312

21 күн бұрын

It’s Comical really that people want to dispute these concepts. It’s physics and math. Ballistic science…… I just…… whatever.

"ill clean that one while you're coaching the kids" priceless

Just an advice to the one being worried about his gap shooting out to 50-60 yards with his 550 grain arrow. Test it out and you will quickly learn that gap shooting with that setup is not that hard when you understand how to do it well and what little difference it makes with that arrow compared to a 450 grain arrow if the deer moves 2-3 yards further away or closer from where you measured it to be. You can very easily see that it has moved a bit away or a bit closer and not more than 5 yards and that tells you to aim a bit higher or a bit lower and you will punch the deer where you want as long as you execute your shot well.

Personally I’m not on the heavy arrow train but I respect the point of view, nice conversation guys.

@jeffmichel4312

22 күн бұрын

It’s not a train it’s sound fundamentals.

@progradepainting3755

5 күн бұрын

@@jeffmichel4312it’s definitely a train, and you definitely aren’t the arbiter of sound fundamentals, because it isn’t a one size fits all solution.

I feel like ranch fairy would hate my setup lol my biggest thing with shooting a "lighter" arrow(442gr) is the flatter arc. In my simple mind wouldn't less arc be more forgiving? I live in SD and it just makes sense for when longer shots present themselves. I'm trying to be open minded about a heavy setup but the only thing I see it being beneficial for is pigs, bears, buffalo... All of which I have yet to hunt. Great video and conversation fellas!

@gsnicholas8522

10 күн бұрын

Troy did a test with a mid 400 grain vs a mid 600 grain arrow at distance. Then he repeats it with 2 other shooters. The result was virtually the same both times. With a missed yardage judgement of (if I’m remembering correctly) 5 yards resulted in a 2.5 inch difference in impact point. The videos are on his channel.

Great video guys theres so many variables going on in most hunting situations that its best to atleast prepare for the worst in my opinion

@HUNTERSADVANTAGE

28 күн бұрын

100% agree!

The problem is the delivery and who is delivering. Not everyone can ignore the “character” and listen to the content. If you dive into the Ashby report you’ll see weight is not top priority. And if they can shoot those crazy 800+ gn arrows at 20 yards and get pass through with a RECURVE BOW. You best believe I’m shooting 650 with a compound at 30 yards. Also people are basing this “bad flight” on videos. Not personal experience. Currently shooting a 250spine with 23%FOC at 644gn and that baby flies like a dream. Before that I had 250spine with 15%FOC at 650gn and that arrow after 40yards had a hellacious curve. As the FOC went up the flight became straighter. At the end of the day…… Shoot what makes you feel confident. If this information makes you second guess your current setup. Then look into it some more.

M1 Abrams going 40mph or a Ford Pinto going 60mph wonder which would do more damage 😂🤔🤔🤔

@scrotang

2 күн бұрын

Pinto would act as an incendiary so point to the Ford.

Blue Wildebeest Africa 65-70 minimum suggested by outfitters is 500 gr, buffalo is 80# minimum 600gr+, giraffe 90# 600gr minimum Most outfitters suggest you get into elephant and a couple others you aren’t even allowed to hunt with archery equipment. You can bet your rear that if you go to Alaska and try to hunt grizzly with a 400 grain arrow I’d say the outfitters going to tell you to take a hike or get your own body bag for your remains. Am I saying everything that’s being said is 100% fact, No but I’m also not bashing a guy who has put the time in and figured something out either. Just because we don’t agree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean we are right. Have a nice Day.

@Bartimusblue27

26 күн бұрын

All class 3&4 game species legally requires 80lb draw and a 750 grain arrow as the minumum weight. Class 5 (giraffe, elephant, hippo) requires 90lbs and 750gr+ As a guy who shoots "heavy" (82lb/30.5" 770gr 27%foc) at everything, there's four big pros. My arrows are significantly more accurate/consistent over distance, wind has very little effect on trajectory, they don't stop in game (no exceptions yet), and they break a LOT less. Realistically, any arrow over 500gr or 19%foc will consistently go through a broadside whitetail with a cut-on-contact head, but like you said, people want to take that arrow to alaska/africa, and then force the guide to be the asshole of reason, so the dumbass with hope doesn't literally poke the bear.

@jeffmichel4312

22 күн бұрын

No body bag needed grizz will eat the carcass.

Fairy did a test a few weeks ago and showed the difference in drop from a 400 something arrow and a 550 or 650 arrow and the difference in drop was not as much as most would think. Also the heavy arrow is Quieter and less stress in the bow plus more KE. Ranch fairy has always said pick the heaviest arrow u can that has an acceptable trajectory for you. Why do so many people get in there fillings about this. Maybe it’s because you no you are using an inferior arrow so u have to make it seem like others don’t no what they are doing! Shameful

@progradepainting3755

20 күн бұрын

How could you even make heads from tails on that test when his group was all over the place?

@gsnicholas8522

10 күн бұрын

@@progradepainting3755because he repeated the test with 2 other shooters and the result was the same.

@andrecancilla4901

6 күн бұрын

When you have to be accurate within 5 yards to not miss. The system isn’t practical. If you can push an arrow at a decent speed then by all means use it. Sacrificing trajectory for arrow weight on an animal that isn’t hard to penetrate is silly. Broadhead style is way more important for penetration than arrow weight is on deer sized animals

@gsnicholas8522

5 күн бұрын

@@andrecancilla4901 if someone can't be accurate to within 5 yards then they shouldn't be shooting at live animals.

@andrecancilla4901

5 күн бұрын

@@gsnicholas8522 *judge yardage to within 5 yards. I guess you’re the second coming of Levi morgan

Good work guys!

The 400-450 grain warriors are arrogant. They’re getting paid on that hill and they gotta stand on it and protect it. They are the ones who bully and condescend and belittle anyone for doing anything that’s different from what they want to sell. Just dumb. Heavy is better always. 550 and north.

The comments 😂!! The trolls need to step up their game and quit using the same old arguments that have been disproven time and time again. It's also funny and, if im being realistic, sad, how many people only hear what they want or fail to comprehend the context of what is presented.

@glennl9630

23 күн бұрын

Great point so true!!

@codydixon5376

21 күн бұрын

Pretty simple to me. What pushes another car further. A truck running 80mph or a train running 20mph. Weight matters.

@progradepainting3755

5 күн бұрын

@@jasonmc6997 care to make a specific point as a reference?

@jasonmc6997

5 күн бұрын

@@progradepainting3755 I would for anyone but you. You seem to have a massive lack of comprehension for context as demonstrated here and in the Brandon McDonald video you attempted to troll me on. Not only are you, once again, demonstrating said lack of comprehension but you're being extremely cringey and creepy following me from one to video to another and making a similar comment. Dude it's not only weird, it's also pathetic and sad.

I shoot a crossbow IBO is 400 at 400 I shoot around 600 grain ,guess my speed would be around 325 maby 350 fps my life as always been plan B I am going for always aclean pass through ,definitely not the best shot so I will shoot a low 600 grain arrow and let the chips and deer fall..

@progradepainting3755

28 күн бұрын

Youre shooting a crossbow and your worried about plan b what if’s and pass throughs?

700 Lmmfao 😂😂😂😂 gtfoh

I've had sub 400 grain arrows go through steel tubing. I'm not suggesting anyone hunt with that, but what are people doing that they're having penetration issues unless you have a short draw length and draw weight? I think it's the broad head far more than the arrow weight. You don't want an arrow 40 yards out the other side... you want an arrow that barely makes it out the other side because you didn't waste anything, momentum or trajectory or time on target. BTW at 60 yards the delta of time on target from a 450 and 650 is @ 0.18 seconds, but an animal can react in as little as 0.05/0.1 seconds... so it sounds like a small amount of time difference between the arrows, but time on target is important, and the slower projectile can increase your chance of the scenario in which the animal blocks vitals as Troy described. No solutions.... only trade-offs. I like the research

@zaynemikita6897

28 күн бұрын

Unfortunately ranch fairy is just charismatic and made a market. 100% agree with you

@The_Judge300

27 күн бұрын

So you are able to hit the animal totally perfect every single time? And the animal never moves the second you decide to take the shot? You will never hit bones? And your idea of time and time difference between heavy/light arrow is totally flawed. The deer reacts to the sound of your string and your arrow speed is extremely far from the speed of sound, so the deer will beat your arrow, no matter how fast it goes if it decides to duck. And the reality is that the sound from your string with the heavy arrow is not as sharp and that doesn't freak out the deer as much. And there is nothing that blocks the vitals when you use the heavy arrow as it just shoots through it. And I really do not understand your point about the steel tubing. You get the same penetration with a light arrow as you do with a heavy arrow in a foam target as well and what does that mean?

@The_Judge300

27 күн бұрын

@@zaynemikita6897 I have been hunting with what the Ranch Fairy has been preaching about for many years before he discovered how it works. He has not made this up or made any serious market at all. And the reality is that it works and it works extremely well. It is just hard for some people to accept it when they are used to believe in all sorts of garbage "pro hunters" have been paid to fill their ears with by the industry. I have used my heavy setup for about 20 years now and I have shot at about 200 big game animals since then and not lost one single of them. And it is pure nonsense that you can't hunt at longer distances with a heavier setup as well. I have killed big animals out to 62 yards with my setup.

@jons7e

27 күн бұрын

@@The_Judge300 the point is with modern bows it doesn't take much to get penetration. It's probably closer to 90% broadhead and 10% arrow weight contributing to the best penetration results with your delivery limitations, once you have a tuned bow that doesn't cause the arrow to bleed energy all the way to the target. Momentum matters, but so does time on target, trajectory, and every margin of error reduction opportunity. To put all of your efforts in one basket with complete disregard for the other components of successfully delivering a projectile on a target is misleading. It's different for every shooter because of their setup, the armor of the target, and the distance to cover. There are no solutions, only trade-offs.

@user-sp9hy8tq4j

27 күн бұрын

When I was younger 14-15 yrs old I shot a 40lb pse nova 26” draw with 350grain arrow with a thunder head and zipped through a bunch of whitetail! If u stay away from the ball n socket then good to go

Jesus Christ the ranch fairy 🧚‍♀️

I just can’t trust a guy that wears a visor

What makes RF think he knows more about animal anatomy than Chris Bee? Chris has killed and gutted and necropsied as many animals as anybody. Thinking he is the expert on game anatomy is pretty fucking bull headed of him. This is why people talk shit about him. He shouldn’t assert his authority as a legend in his own mind.

@gsnicholas8522

10 күн бұрын

Did you even watch and listen to anything that was said in the video? It sure doesn’t seem like it. Cope harder.

Do your own testing. Dont need to take everything the tooth fairy says to heart. 400 grains for me. Complete passthroughs with a 3 blade mechanical broad head. Arrow zips through them.

@HUNTERSADVANTAGE

28 күн бұрын

We Tested Ranch Fairy’s Arrow Setup on 6 DEER! | Kill Shots, Testing, & Results kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6Gf1rCPka-YpbA.html

@tylereaster4251

28 күн бұрын

Additionally, the fairy never said a light arrow with a mechanical doesn't work.

@progradepainting3755

28 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@HUNTERSADVANTAGEif all you’re doing is shooting from a tree stand at 20 yards, what’s stopping you from using a 1000 grain arrow? I mean, you’re obviously not concerned with arrow flight, you’re only wrapped around the axel about pass throughs. My 9 year old daughter can hit a target all day at 20 yards with pretty much any setup I give her. When it comes to any substantial distance, like in western applications, a 650 grain arrow sucks. It has horrible flight, the cast is ridiculous, and if you miss judge yardage even a little bit, you’re going to completely miss.

@HUNTERSADVANTAGE

28 күн бұрын

@@progradepainting3755 I used a 580 grain arrow not 650. I shot one of those deer at 40+. The arrow flight on that 580 grain arrow was incredible. I paper tuned and nock tuned my bow. Im a curious person. I’ll try anything just to see the results. I’m not jaded at one crowd or the other. Arrow flight, penetration, trajectory, and how far your shoot are all considerations. I’d probably shoot something different for my western setup. Have a good one brother.

@progradepainting3755

27 күн бұрын

@@HUNTERSADVANTAGEnah, I’m not jaded, just experienced. It’s your ranch fairy buddy who’s jaded, by archery to be precise. That’s why he’s more interested in bass fishing, because he didn’t have it in him to master the ins and outs of archery. I’ve already been up and down the heavy vs. light arrow crap, probably 20 years longer than you have. He couldn’t figure it out, because he doesn’t respect the archery aspect of it. He’s said it himself. He views a bow as an energy transfer device. So he’s missing half the equation. That’s why he’s resorting to ridiculously heavy arrow builds to compensate for poor archery skills. I advocate for the middle ground, as do many other well accomplished archers and bow hunters. There is absolutely no need for a 580 grain arrow on North American game. You base your whole build, off a guy who based his own build, off a guy who hunted outdated equipment, and based his build to hunt African game😂…. The joke really is on you, brother…

Just because this guy is charismatic doesn't make him right. Seriously do some research. Plenty of deer and elk killed with 400-460gr arrows with high FOC. That's what is getting arrows through stuff.

@JH-hx2cl

28 күн бұрын

Specifically, what research are you doing?

@progradepainting3755

28 күн бұрын

@@JH-hx2clhow about the plethora of the worlds biggest animals taken by hunters who shoot arrows in high 300-450 grain range? Ever wonder how they’re getting it done, and these other jokers are going backwards to compensate for horrible archery skills? How about researching the art of archery more, and less on arrow weight.

@JH-hx2cl

28 күн бұрын

@@progradepainting3755 why are you so triggered over me asking what kind of research he did? And nothing you just said is research. That claim can be made by 500+grain shooters too so..

@progradepainting3755

28 күн бұрын

@@JH-hx2cl “why are you so triggered over Me asking what kind of research he did?” Why do you assume that when someone challenges your response they’re“triggered” over anything at all? Were you expecting to have zero engagement with anyone? “And nothing you said is research” Nothing you’ve said is reasearch either. You’re just hyper fixated on arrow weights. When I referenced the “art of archer” that encompasses the entire field of research as it pertains to archery. Arrow weight is super low on the list. “That claim can be made by 500+grain shooters too so..” Yeah, but the issue with that is, your hero, the ranch fairy, doesn’t care about any of that. He’s all about arrow weight, and just considers the bow a delivery device. That’s why he punches the trigger off with no peep sight, and limits himself to 40 yard shots with a modern compound bow, because his delivery device with 600 grain arrows, groups arrows the size of a trash can lid.

@JH-hx2cl

28 күн бұрын

@@progradepainting3755 Why do i assume that? Because youre sarcastic in your original response. I was asking what kind of research he did. Saying "Nothing you’ve said is reasearch either..." doesn't make any sense. Why do you assume the ranch fairy is my hero? how are you getting all of this BS from a single question I asked? Youre mental dude. Not to mention looking at this thread you're all over the place, its like the hill you're choosing to die on or something. Relax buddy, keep shooting what you're shooting lol.

This podcast has turned into one long product shilling commercial/ podcast. It went downhill quick. Sad to see!

@HUNTERSADVANTAGE

18 күн бұрын

What do you mean?

@JoshHardin-yq6uk

18 күн бұрын

It just seems like every 5 minutes there is a break in the podcast for an ad. I understand you are running a business and some of that is needed to an extent but, coming from a listeners perspective, that is very off putting and turns me away from your channel. I love the content otherwise and feel that it is very informative and worth while to listen to. It’s just the ads man. It’s getting to be too much.

@HUNTERSADVANTAGE

18 күн бұрын

@@JoshHardin-yq6uk I see where you are coming from. In a podcast that’s 94 minutes long, there are 4 minutes of ads. That’s 4% of the episode. 96% is just the meat and potatoes of the content. Maybe, putting them at different places could be an option to not break the episode up as much, but like you said. We are running a business and making sure the production quality of the episodes is high has costed us 5 figures in equipment. We are always trying to make the show better and appreciate the feedback man. And we hope you will continue to listen.