I"m in the market for a used RAM 1500(09-13), and I truly needed to see this video. Thank you for revised explanation(cuz i watched your previous video too). I'll be sure to grab a stethoscope while in the hunt for my new truck. I also plan to use a FULL Synthetic oil once i take ownership. I've used it in every car I've owned to date and have never had any engine issues.

Great job man! Love the details in this video. Helps me understand the tick better

Bless you man! This is the most detailed and most informative video I have seen for this issue. The white board illustrations are awesome and helped me understand what is fully going on mechanically. Thanks 2016 Ram Laramie Limited I use synthetic and have it changed at the dealership every 3,500 miles or so. 55,000 miles so far and no issues. 🙏

Thanks for the break down. Got a 5.7 with the tick and getting ready to change the lifters.. your video was awesome at helping to explain the info!

@everthingsports5722

2 жыл бұрын

Hello just wondering how much it costed to replace lifters

@ryleymckellar8993

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to know the cost as well.

@mtn-endeavors67

7 ай бұрын

What year?

@potatoburger9659

2 ай бұрын

Currently doing a lifter replacement on driver side of a 08 ram 1500 5.7 i got the lifters with tax for 165$ on partsgeek, and the gaskets and stem seals​ 223$. Im also doing it myself and avoiding the 100 per hr shop cost@@everthingsports5722

Appreciate the follow-up. As someone who's about to own a 2019 1500 5.7, learning about what migtht happen later and like any tool, knowing how to use it properly to prolong its life is welcome knowledge. Thanks, and keep up the great work!

@caleblewis3463

4 ай бұрын

5.7 is a bad choice this day n age. Find a 3.0 duramax. Or the GM 5.3 that will average around 20 mpg. The 3.0 will average 26mpg 32 highway. The GM 10 speed transmission is also a huge upgrade. They really got it dialed in. Just bc it has more gears doesn’t make it more complicated. I was very stubborn to believe that myself. The powertrains available today. The 3.0 duramax an absolute joy to drive.. its funny how it took them this long make a half ton truck with an inline 6. It also happens to be turbo diesel.

@thudang5298

4 ай бұрын

​@@caleblewis3463I don't disagree with your comments. Thank you for sharing your insights. I owed the 5.7 for a bit, but my needs changed and I got rid of the Ram 1500. I liked it for what it was, and having the power compared to a previous V6 powered Honda Odyssey was a clear no brainer - best of all, it actually did better on the highway when cruising around 130 kph (~ 80 mph) as that seemed to be its sweet spot of power and fuel efficiency. I've yet to try the 3.0 Duramax. However, in my neck of the woods, Nova Scotia (Canada) in a small town, diesel mechanics are definitely harder to find, diesel fuel costs more, so there is no way I can justify a diesel right now. Though definitely not the same, the twin turbo V6 in my Transit 250 is just fine. Not good on fuel, but I'll take the utility of a big cargo van right now since the truck argument for what I want/need doesn't justify the spend.

Great detail. I just bought a 2022 Ram 1500 Limited at 1,000 miles I changed the oil to Amsoil 0W20 Vs 5W20 lower vis at start-up IMO is better. At 5,000 miles I changed the oil again with Amsoil 0W20 But, I added a K&P Engineering oil filter and an oil filter relocation kit to make it easy to change the oil and changed to OEM filter to K&P it is a reusable mesh filter clean with break clean compressed air reinstall and you can clean it anytime you want and only lose 300ML of oil ( 10 ounces) The other great advantage IMO that adds to your research reference of lack of lubrication is the supply of oil from the oil filter, the OEM oil filter cleans to 20 microns the K&P Filter clean to 5 microns with an internal magnet to remove metal but it also offers 7 times more oil flow than OEM and you never need to buy another filter again results: cleaner oil, clean as often as you like, reuse, 7 times more flow than OEM. I used this filter on my 2015 Ram Ecodiesel for 80,000 miles with no issues at all. I also used an Amsoil engine flush with every oil change and changed my oil every 5,000 miles My Father embedded in my head that 3,000 miles are when you change your oil and to change it yourself don't rely on others to be critical for life of your engine. Amsoil says 25,000 Not for me 5,000 not that the oil wouldn't last it might but you need to at your undercarriage check all the components I clean the undercarriage and clear coat frame I traded in my 2015 Ram Longhorn and the dealer gave me $27,000 it looked like new inside and out. Take care of your truck if you want it to last with fewer issues. Great video thank you for posting.

@alanmeyers3957

16 күн бұрын

How’s that oil consumption with the amsoil, 2 quarts every 1200 miles or so?

Nice video with good information. My 16 Ram had cam and lifters done at 5300km before it’s first oil change. Dealer couldn’t tell me why they failed. I had the tick come back this past November but it was the manifolds this time. Extended warranty covered both manifolds, studs and heat shields. Other than these issues it’s been a great truck and man am I happy I got the extended warranty.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Okay so I also read that potentially sand and debris from actual the engine block casting could clog up those small oil orifices in your lifters causing very premature lifter and cam failure. So I wonder if this is what happened to you. Silver lining is that Ram warranty does do a very good job!

@craigpearson1148

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures I looked up my build date and my truck was an October 2015 build (2016 model) and it sat on the lot till April of 2016. So I may have had the older design lifters in the engine. I also wonder how many "test drives" the truck had combined with sitting had anything to do with the failure. I use conventional 5w20 oil and I get it changed at 6000km or when the oil life meter says 50% with no problems since.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigpearson1148 well I'm happy your truck is running well and hopefully keeps running well! My truck had 97km on it when I bought it new so I figured mine also had a bunch of test drives lol

Hello Getty Adventures. Good video giving an explanation on probable causes for the HEMI tick. In addition to the probable causes mentioned in this video, another possible cause is the kind if oil filter used. Not all oil filters have the same kind of filtration system. So, the OEM filters are good because that's what came with the vehicle. If someone decides to get an after market oil filter, one brand to consider is Wix. There are couple other after market brands that's good too, but I can't remember the names. So, the kind of oil filter used plays a role. Also, if the right oil is used and it doesn't get changed on time, that will eventually result in the HEMI tick or other issues that's more serious. So, eventually dirt/sludge build up over time due to wrong oil used or the right oil used, but wasn't changed on time. The right oil used, but not changed on time such as two to four weeks late for each oil change and then the wrong kind of oil filter used. With the use of synthetic oil and either the OEM oil filter or premium brand oil filter, the HEMI engines along with other engines in general regardless of automaker will be fine.

Really informative, great video!

Excellent video and breaking it down from an engineering perspective.

I've always bought used vehicles and have had good luck however...it's scary as heck to think some folks go 14k between oil changes LOL. Great in depth video Alex, appreciate the work you put into this.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

It's a little crazy, now I think the oil meter adjusts the oil life based upon engine loads and idle time and so forth but still 14k is a little wild! Thank you sir! appreciate the kind words!

@troyrgates

2 жыл бұрын

Bought my 2015 ram new from dealer, 6000km between oil changed with only full synthetic oil... tic has started at 190,000 km and goes away after 15 min of driving. Truck is at 250,000 km now and still the same sound. Guess it's getting close to the time of an updated lifter and cam job. I came from a 5.4 cam phasers problem engine to this lol

@334trax2

2 жыл бұрын

@@troyrgates if the tick goes away when engine warms up, wouldn't that be the exhaust tick not lifters?

@troyrgates

2 жыл бұрын

@@334trax2 dealer says its piston slap. I'm just glad it isn't the lifters eating the cam but who knows if they really know for sure.

Best video I've seen on this issue.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! tried to do my homework on this one

love your comments on this

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

the harsh comments will be coming soon! don't you worry 😉

Thanks for the much appreciated and thoughtful video. Provided much needed insight into this anomaly my 2013 RAM 1500 HEMI 5.7L engine exhibits. Since I do not notice the tick after warmup I'm hoping it's just the exhaust manifold issue. Guess it's mechanic visit time for me.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

that what it sounds like an manifold issues are much more common then the lifter failure. they are thankfully easier and cheaper to fix!

Running a good 40 weight will drastically reduce if not eliminate this problem. Also adding a ZDDP oil additive is a must as well.

@aprilmobley9857

Ай бұрын

Mine us 5W 20 so go 5W 40?

@aprilmobley9857

Ай бұрын

ZDDP oil additive??

great vid. i watched tony as well a while back. i change oil every 10 k. full synthetic on the last two hemis trying to avoid this failure. also i’m keeping idle time to a minimum. i’ve had a 2012,2013,2014,2018 and now a 2021 all hemi 1500’s.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I just traded in my 2017 ram 1500 with 107km and that engine ran strong the whole time. zero issues. I think the Hemi's are good engines with obviously some weak spots with the valve train. other then lifter failures there really isn't any other major consistent issues. and obviously Chrysler deemed them good enough to run the same hemi in the 5th gen trucks

Subbed for the explanation. Great breakdown

Excellent research and explanation. Thanks. Would not High idle time would fit into your hypothesis on bad oil/wrong weight oil? I would assume at idle the pressure is lower relying slightly more on the viscosity and quality of the oil to maintain lubrication via the check valve. We all know startup and high idle are contributors to engine wear in general.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely! idling also wears down oil much faster then normal driving conditions. and I do still think the theory that at idle you can starve your cam and lifters of oil is still somewhat correct. The dealers always say that fleet vehicles tend to be more prone to these lifter failures because of high idle times so there is no doubt that idling has a roll to play! appreciate the info!

I owned several vehicles n now still drive 3/4ton chevy, 02 dodge 1500, now 2022 have no issues, I've had from 100k to 350k I've always used factory specs n so far so good thnks stay safe God bless👍

Great detailed explanation

Enjoyed the video and I think u are spot on regarding the extended oil change intervals. I have a Sierra with AFM (same as your MDS). The lifters fail as well and while I'm no mechanic the general consensus is prolonged oil change intervals. Some guys have lifter failures early and some don't ever have any failure. Needless to say I change my oil earlier rather than later.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why manufactures insist on extending their oil life intervals lol I also think there may be some luck involved with these issues. some guys run their trucks for 300,000km and have no issues. whereas some guys need cam and lifters replaced before their first oil change!

@gregorytimmons4777

3 жыл бұрын

Until i helped a friend swap out a worn out engine for a reman in a '78 Monti Carlo i had no clue at how bad skimping on oil changes can trash the inside of an engine. I can't see how every oil passage in that engine wasn't plugged. What a catastrophe that was and a good reminder of the importance of keeping your vehicle mechanically up to par.

@denvernn

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorytimmons4777 100% agree. Oil changes are the cheapest and easiest thing to help improve longevity.

I can approve the 5w20 Oil, it's what we use in the middle east. I've owned a challenger 5.7 and a 300 SRT '13 as well as my daily drive '15 Ram 5.7 Laramie. I've a multiple friends garage owners as well as a MOPAR only real life group of friends, so you can only imagine the variety of models we have and worked on. With that being said thro all those years since 2012 til now I've only heard about the Knocks/Lifters in the Internet. Not saying it doesn't exist but I've not seen/hear it from anyone in our MOPAR group and garages, we always change oil/filter on 5-6K km despite the dealers saying every 10K km which we don't follow. The oil weights (If not weather/use specific) and high mileage lead for many issues inside the engine than people can imagine and they'll only see it once they open up that engine. Synthetic Oil if ran over mileage can be more worse cause it will create layers on the internals that restrict the oil lubrication/flow badly which will keep stacking up. Thank you and i appreciate the work and research in this video.

Very informative, thank you

Muchly appreciated brother

Awesome video , THX for posting . I bought a new 2021 ram with the 5.7 , i will be doing my first oil change at 5000 km , i want to run full synthetic just not sure when to switch from conventional to synthetic , any advice would be appreciated TY Brian

Excellent follow up..I agree.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

Good video. I never really believed the mds caused lifter failure. I run pennzoil 5w20 ultra platinum oil with a wix filter in my 2014 ram 1500 sport at it’s a 176000km and change oil out every 8500km. I believe the dirty oil, high idle time or low rpm has a lot to do with it too. Heard about upgrading the oil pumps to hellcat oil pump too but do they actually have higher oil pressure at idle or lower rpm compared to 5.7 oil pump?

Great video and thanks for the info...

Good vid! Just make me wonder about why the fleet vehicles (cop cars)are failing. Most fleet vehicles get their oil changes at constant intervals for the most part. What you said is correct and im not arguing at all. But i think the low rpm range(500) at idle have to have something to do with failures also. Lower rpm = low oil pressure. Hence the lack of lubrication!

That's some pretty good info. 👍 Regular oil intervals are way too high. They need to be between 3,000 and 5,000 miles depending on driving conditions. More City driving change it sooner.

@alanmeyers3957

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right.

Would it be better to upgrade to aftermarket performance parts when rebuilding the engine?

I don't have an unusually large amount of experience with just the gen3 HEMI, but I've been thinking for some time, this is mostly a lubrication/maintenance issue. My 09 Charger 5.7L has about 148k miles. The only "tick" I get is just for a second or two, at most, on cold start-up, when the car has sat unused for 10-14 days or more. I change my oil & filter myself, as I have on all my Mopars for 55yrs. On all my Mopes, post 2002, I have been using top tier synthetics, and for the last 30yrs only WIX filters. I always change the oil at most at a 5k mile interval. Sometimes, I'll only go 2500 mile interval if it's a (new to me)used car, and I want to make sure I flush the old crud out of the engine thoroughly, and get it on the multiples of 5k miles on the odo, so it's easy to remember when it is coming due for an oil change. I, also, always use FilterMags on the filters to catch all the ferrous particles in the oil before they plug up the filter and damage critical surfaces. Another thing I do is to check the oil at every fuel tank filling. That way I can closely monitor oil level and color, and make sure the coolant level is good. I mean why waste your time just standing there like a statue, when you can be checking this stuff?

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

couldn't agree more! having good clean oil is the best way to protect any engine. There could be other reasons at play with the Hemi Tick but I think lubrication issues are a big factor. So hopefully everybody maintains there engines as well as you!

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@JD Spears what year is your engine?

@gregm90

2 жыл бұрын

@JD Spears Id like to also add full syn mobil 1 every 4-5 thousand and this is on a 08 300c 5.7 with a new built motor 1k miles so far and still have the tick at cold start.

@budlanctot3060

2 жыл бұрын

As a follow-up, what little tick I have was bothering me, so I added 1/2 qt of MMO to my engine then ran it up the freeway 10miles and then back. I drained it hot, changed the filter(WIX#57899), & refilled with Castrol full synthetic & 8oz of MMO. The occasional tick I had has slowly disappeared. I also cut the base off of the old filter and you can easily see the ferrous "dust"-like particle "stripes" that the magnets, on the outside of the filter can, pulled from the oil and held them captive onto the inside surface of the filter can. I think if you catch the tick early enough, shorten up the oil change intervals, use good quality oil and filters, use FilterMags or the equivalent on the filter exterior, you just might avoid more serious damage. On a lot of these HEMIs w/ cam & lifter damage, you can see the valvetrain is brown & varnished, like it was run on dirty oil for some time and possibly run hot, too.

I think you are correct on the worn out oil additives. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the correlation of applications where they are used with high idle time.. That seems to be a fairly common factor in these failures.. Police cars, trucks that sit and Idle for a long time on job sites, coupled with minimum OCI's tell the story..

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

100%, I made an earlier video talking about idle time, but I thought it was interesting that perhaps idle time alone wasn't the issue.

Good info. Don’t forget about idle hours as well. A lot of the tucks with lifter failure have excessive idle hours on the engine

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

100% correct I covered that pretty in depth on my first video but you are absolutely correct. Idling will deteriorate your oil much faster. And can potentially starve your cam and lifter for oil. Great point!

@MrAfropuff2

3 жыл бұрын

I try not to idle, but it's tough when we have -38 celsius days up in Canada

@TheLoob321

3 жыл бұрын

Ya man, I use remote start A LOT in upstate NY bc it’s frigid as shit out and I’m getting older. Whatever, it’s got a 100k mile warranty 🤣

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLoob321 I hear ya! I have a buddy on the Yukon/Alaskan border and he idles his truck for 20 minutes every morning and has no issues with 200,000km. so I imagine some luck is involved with this issue

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrAfropuff2 nothing like a good cold start in the morning! wouldn't hurt to warm her up a bit when she's that could!

Great video !!!

I have a 13 ram express, found the root cause in mine is a lifter failure on cylinder 8. First started with a misfire, then removed the valve covers and had the lifter failure on the intakeside of cylinder 8. So found a shop and am currently in the process of doing a cam swap, hellcat lifters, hardened push rods, ported and polished heads, new valve seats, guides and springs. Getting it tuned as well.

@adriancantu2026

2 жыл бұрын

Dammit boy you were like fuxk the stock lifters alv 🤣🤣 same shit I plan on doing I got a 2013 rt with ve Ram intake some heads and x pipe with a magnflow inch exhaust

@alanmeyers3957

16 күн бұрын

I hope they’re not charging you more for the hellcat lifters, they’re the same.

Lots of information in this video however, hydraulic lifters in general and hydraulic roller lifters specifically have been used by most of the automobile manufacturers in high performance automobile engines for 40 some years. If dirt is holding the lifter check valve open, why does it only seem to be happening in the last ten years or so? I have worked in a management capacity at Tier 1 automotive parts manufacturers for 30 plus years and in my opinion, no OEM is going to change vendors because their customers are not changing their oil at recommended intervals, or not using the recommended oil and/or oil filter. From experience, I know that the OEM will perform a root cause analysis and take steps to eliminate the problem. All of the components in the valve train will be examined as any signs of wear can cause the lifter roller to "float" above the camshaft lobe long enough for the lobe to complete a rotation and collide with the roller again on the next rotation, and cause a tick sound. It is my opinion that the fact that Chrysler changed hydraulic roller lifter vendors strongly suggests that they believe there is a flaw in the component. If it was oil related, the problem would be happening across all OEM's around the globe. Another source for the tick can be found coming from piston skirt slap due to seized connecting rod pins from overheating the engine .

Would synthetic oil help and to change your oil regularly

Is there something one could use to help clean those lifter orifices? Something to run through the oil?

Great job on the video👍 , I agree with the combination of prolonged intervals , cheap oil and driver abuse as contributors, GM has the exact same issue. I won’t paint everyone with the same brush, but a lot of people want to do as little as possible for as long as possible when it comes to maintenance, keeping clean oil in the engine is paramount,

I have a 2012 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi. It has ticked since i bought it with 120k. I have 150k on it now. Sounds bad on start up. Quiets down after a few min of running. I push the truck hard. I run Amsoil 5w20. If it blows up i will rebuild it. It has been a great truck for the last 2 years that i have had it. Great explanations good sir.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly sounds like you just have an exhaust manifold leak. A lifter tick usually doesn't go away when the engine warms up. good news is those are pretty common and not that hard to fix.

@seavisions

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Its not a manifold leak. Both sides were done right before i bought the truck. I think it has to do with the MDS system. If i drive it normally it will make a funky clicking sound on deceleration. If i manually put it in 6th gear and drive like normal it goes away. I think it is the cam phaser hitting the timing cover ever so slightly. But i have no proof of it thus far. Just what i have deduced reading ram forums.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@seavisions Could be man. But I've also heard of guys driving with ticks for years and having no real issues other then the audible ticking. but like you said without ripping everything apart it can be hard to tell what is really happening.

@MrMillion2001

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2012 with 174k miles had the tick since 140k. I didnt think anything of it until it got so bad my engine started shaking violently when I put my foot on the gas. I changed my cam and lifters, 2 cam lobes were ground down, cylinder 3 cam literally had about 1/4 inch ground off, cylinder 3 lifter I couldn't get to roll at all. So I changed the cam and lifters but my truck has recently started ticking again. I think maybe pushrods?

Been using non big name 5w20 synthetic oil with 5,000 mile changes on my 2015. I'm at 60,000 no noises yet

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

name brand synthetic vs no name brand synthetic is probably not that different lol. the biggest difference is probably the price!

What do you think about using Sea Foam every other oil change or let’s say every 25,000k miles so that you can help clean the inside of the engine. So you can help prevent any excessive wear overtime. Just add it closer to when your going to change the oil. Only runing it for about 500 miles. Just a thought.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

I personally don't have much knowledge or experience with sea foam but I would caution you putting it in your oil. who knows what it could do to the lubrication qualities of an oil. your Crank Shaft spins on a tiny tiny film of oil and any deviation to the oil could actually increase wear on components. that being said, I'm not super experienced or knowledgeable with sea foam so do your own research but that's my two sense.

On 2 week vacation, leaving Chicago to South Texas, 1,500 miles one way. As I entered Dallas, my Ram started making loud noise and I started losing acceleration power. I got off the highway and as I exited the highway , my ram started shaking and turned off. Luckily I was near a shop. Turned out I had 1 broken lifter, 1 damaged lifter and so bad cylinders. It's Wednesday today, truck has been in the shop since Sunday morning. Hopefully by tomorrow they get the new cylinders and new lifters and I can be back on the road by tomorrow evening. 🤞

Really great info!! I have a 2016 ram 1500 Hemi. Do you happen to know when in 2016 Chrysler switched suppliers for the lifters and bearings? Or is it for all of 2016 model Rams?

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great question which I don't have the answer too. I would imagine some 2016 models have the old lifters and some have the newer lifters. would probably all depend on build date and your VIN. But I'll see what I can find!

@grantbowen7221

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures where did you get your headrest cover at??

@UnionThugg

3 жыл бұрын

Lifters (and vendors) were revised several times, with the most current part numbers issued in 2019, superseding all previous part numbers back to 2005 for cars, and 2003 for trucks.

Why isn’t there a recall on these? It seems as if lots of people are experiencing failures.

@MrMillion2001

3 жыл бұрын

They would probably go bankrupt from fixing the millions of hemis

@Legend869

Жыл бұрын

not enough safety related failure

@ianbennett5922

Жыл бұрын

I am going to see a Lawyer about a Class Action Lawsuit. Also, am writing the NHST about a recall.

@22ddavyd

Жыл бұрын

@@ianbennett5922 so did you see a lawyer?

@mastercarpenter1970

Жыл бұрын

I've already had the manifold gaskets replaced on mine and it was actually done under warranty

A perfect storm of a series of unfortunate events. Edit; btw, what do you think of porting the hellcat oil pump and putting it into an engine with the same bypass spring? Would you think it needs a bigger oil pan or what to go along with it?

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

apparently the hell cat oil pump fits right into the 5.7 and they are only like a couple hundred bucks. that's what I've heard but who knows the long term issues/ benefits of doing so.

I always change my synthetic oil and filter every 6000km.. I have an old 2001 chevy 5.3L.. Changed the oil every 5000km for the first like ten years and then switched over to synthetic oil when it was affordable.. Then changed it every 6000km.. The motor now has 260000km and doesn't burn a drop of oil and can still light up the possy rear end no problem at all.. Frequent oil changes are key to keeping a motor running properly. I plan on changing the synthetic oil every 6k kms in my new Ram 😎👍

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more! I do 6000km on my synthetic oil as well! to be fair though those LS engines are pretty bullet proof engines. guys are getting like 500,000km out of them.

So I have a tick I know I have an exhaust Manifold leak, have for a while. Will be getting that fixed but this tick is mainly when I'm at a stand still whether it's in park or drive , gets louder as truck heats up. Think it's the lifters or could just be manifold? 2013 ram 1500 hemi

Great video

Thanks for your very detailed video. Great info here. I just want to be clear about the "oil life indicator" you mentioned. Are you implying that even though this indicator was put in by the manufacturer, it could potentially be the reason that people may be getting oil changes later than they should? Ie: We shouldn't trust the indicator?

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, I wouldn't trust the oil life meter. if you are running good synthetic oil it's less of an issue but if you are running conventional oil there is no way you should let the oil go that long.

Purchased new in November 2014 was diligent in having the oil change every 3000 m for the first 50,000. then 5k after that. Now at 138,000 I've had that ticking sound the past 20,000 and was told the same that its common. Its not dirty oil from not changing it properly I have doc for the past 10 years from oil changes. I think it has more to do when you explain the bearings. Great Vid though.. Anyone want to buy a 2014 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 stock crew cab. I m running a special today.

@stevedeleon76

2 жыл бұрын

7 years

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

interesting, to me that kind of indicated like you said back lifters, specifically lifter needle bearings. In 2016 they did update them so we'll see if these newer trucks start having the same issues

Excellent review as always. I have 2013 ram1500 with 120k km and do my oil change every 5k or 6 mos which ever comes first and so far, no ticking. But im thinking of trading it to 3.0 duramax due to gas prices. Is the 3.0 duramax engine reliable? Can you pls make a review or give me an advice, thank you.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I'll have to make a review on the 3.0 Duramax. a lot of folks are asking about it.

I use 5w20 with Lucas oil stabilizer change every 5000km 170000 plus km on runs great so far been thru 3 cold alberta winters as well 2500 driving hrs 2300 idle hrs as well!

Good vid 👍🏼

use diesel oil or other high zinc oil?

I had the same problem 2014 ram 5.7 lifter failure on number 5 cylinder took it apart replace cam lifters and everything else that goes with replacing cam new oil pump but did notice other lifters were going bad and unusual wear on camshaft never took an engine apart before did it myself 5,000 miles later I have no problems fingers crossed I did delete the MDS and went with hellcat lifters from AMS racing

oil analysis would come into play if it’s bad oil. i’ve been running hemis for years in severe service conditions extreme cold to hot dusty summers. i’ve dropped valves on these engines and traded several off that had ticks lol

Thanks sir, that makes a lot of sense. But I thinks there is a time that you should swich to 5w30 which is bassically a thicker oil comparing to 5w20. I have a 2013 5.7 dodge charger. After 130k km i realized a drop in my oil pressure using the 5w20 (oil pump is okay) i beleive its normal due the engine clearance, increased over time so at this point i beleive it is a wise to run 5w30. However i have a 5.7 dodge ram 2019 with just 15k km i am using the 5w20 and both oil pressure on my 2013 5.7 with 5w30 and my 2019 5.7 with 5w20 are the same

@AA-eg4fp

3 жыл бұрын

استخدم 5w40 وبتدعيلي

@DL101ca

3 жыл бұрын

@@AA-eg4fp bakalakadaka 0W40 !!!

@AA-eg4fp

3 жыл бұрын

@@DL101ca where we live in the (Middle East) the weather is always hot, especially in summer it gets up to 50+ Celsius. 5w40 works really fine here, or at least 5w30 the oem 5w20 is the real reason my hemi started ticking before.

My 2017 Ram 1500 5.7 has made a knocking noise since I first bought it new. Only has 25,000 miles. I change the oil every 5,000-7,000 miles and use full synthetic. Have always used basic FRAM Oil filters.

Probably a good idea to run a racing oil with high zddp and moly in these hemi engines and change it often

Ok so I started using Bestline oil treatment in my cars. If I buy a RAM it would be new and after seeing this information I'll use full synthetic oil, probably Ams oil with Bestline oil treatment. Also I would see about the drive train warranty length.

Does anybody know at how many engine hours have to be on a Ram before this hemi tick starts?

I have the 2020 Bighorn with only 38k miles. My truck is the v6 eco boost but also has the tick. I have taken it to RAM 3 times and finally they called today and said its a CAM issue or more specifically what you are describing.

@ 4:57 seconds, that report you lifted off a forum is from testing done on my cam, done by a person who sells aftermarket oil. So naturally he hates on all other oils and places his like elixr. Too bad I found several lies in his business claims and honestly felt he re worded some of that letter to make his oil look better. Glad to also see you did more research and not calling the 5.7 a SHOC design or believing that crappy excuse about idling and crank splash. Perhaps you should read my thread on the CF about lifter failures. I can share any photos of the cam lobes with the lifter markings, or failed lifters.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

really eh?? It's hard to find decent info on this topic. a lot of he said she said. but what I find interesting is how the hydraulic lifters could become slightly plugged with sludge from burnt or dirty oil and cause an increase in valvetrain lash. obviously causing the lifter to more or less hit the cam lobe rather the ride up it slowly. either way I'm not an engineer. I just find this topic interesting how Chrysler must know there is an issue but yet we hear nothing from them. and who knows maybe their lifter update in 2016 is really the cure. maybe the lifters before that were just shitty lifters. time will tell I guess.

@eagleesi93

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures All my theories are strictly based on the physical evidence I have seen from three camshafts, and three sets of lifters. The revised lifters, often sold as hellcat lifters (although they are all the same when non MDS) have a different bearing size oddly enough. The actual amount of failed lifter hemis vs production is such it will never see court. It only seems like a horrible thing cause its the internet. And no one comes here to be happy. Just complain lol.

@michaeldepow6663

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you know the truth

My truck is a 2015 Laramie Semi. So my take from this video is to use a synthetic oil and a good filter? Any special brand of oil?

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I use Mobile 1. It's a decent synthetic oil that's not going to break the bank

There are lifters available with bronze bushings instead of needle bearings. Would that not be better? Is synthetic oil better for this engine than non-synthetic?

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Synthetic oil is by far better. As far as bushings, bronze is soft those needle bearing are hardened steel because they take a beating when the came lobe rolls around at speed. But its an interesting idea

Thanks man... I just bought my 2014 Ram 3 months ago... Oil changed the DAY I bought it... Im NOW at 5300 miles and the ticking JUST STARTED... I totally SPACED not setting up an appointment, I have one setup for tomorrow. Im scared to drive it bc I don't want to hurt my new truck. From now on im going to change the oil ALOT SOONER, or at LEAST check oil level every few days

@JOSH-bx5wp

Жыл бұрын

Use 5w30 oil

So say that I’ve already replaced my lifters and cam shaft but still have the tick. Always when I push down to accelerate. Could that just be an exhaust leak

The 2020 manual says to use Penzoil 5w20. We always use that kind even in previous years.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

ya any decent synthetic 5w20 oil is going to be fine.

In your first video you were talking NOT to idle the car. But in this video you do not say this anymore as it does seeem to be for an other issue. So is it bad for getting the tick to idle to the car? Like doing a daily remote start session of 15 minutes before going to work. Also you said MDS and non-MDS have the issue, but permanently turning of MDS, changing oil every 10 000 kms (full synthetic 5W30 or 5W20) will prevent this a bit better already?

and how much does this repair runs in canada i have been trying to find out so i can fix mine.

Just got a 19 Ram 1500, Gen 5 yesterday. Hopefully the manifold, lifters, and half shafts stay together for me. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I change my oil every 3,000 miles or less with semi-synthetic or full synthetic API SN SAE 5W-20 oil, I have not had an issue with the lifters almost 40,000 miles in and I drive her hard! I think your spot on with your research about people thinking they can go 10,000+ miles between oil changes, FCA should probably do away with that oil life meter, it will continue to plague HEMI lifters because of people that think they can literally go by that meter every time with a cheap oil and filter. I get why they put them in these trucks (i.e. EPA, Green Party, energy conservation, etc.) but come on. Also the ZDDP in modern engine oils needs more scrutiny especially in a 90 degree push rod V8 engine. There simply isn’t enough in modern oil.

2019 ram with 60000kms. I change oil every 5000k and use Pennzoil ultra platinum with a nappa gold filter... I feel confident I won't have this problem fingers crossed... great video btw!

I have a 2017 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. I have 58k miles and the lifters and cam need to be replaced. I get regular 6k mile synthetic oil change at the dealership. So the bad oil isn’t the issue for me.

Would running a 0 weight oil help or hurt?

Have you discovered the hellcat oil pump yet? Apparently it bolts right into the 5.7. I have 105k km on my 2018 Sport, don't idle the thing a whole lot not sure if I would go that route. Since I'm out of warranty it has crossed my mind however. It's a higher volume oil pump, solves the low oil pressure at idle and low RPM that seems to effect some (not all) gen 3s.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I have not, maybe I'll do some digging and see what I can find. I'm not sure if it's specifically related to oil pressure issues itself but making sure you have high oil pressure is usually a good thing!

@peiguy1982

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures The motor does not do well with police forces with all that idling. A former chrysler tech for 10 years has a youtube channel, he came up with this higher volume oil pump idea. I was thinking of doing it since I'm off warranty, but labor cost etc, plus I don't idle all that much. I think I'm going to leave it and keep piling the miles on.

@peiguy1982

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJ-CsbqQd7undLA.html

Hey bro, I use 20/50 oils, I hope I'm doing good?

In my opinion, it’s got to do with the oil pressure at idle along with how often people are doing their oil changes I had to do not use the factory light to tell me to change the oil I change my oil every 7000 8000 km a I’ve got over 100,000km on my 2019 ram 5.7 hemi . In my opinion you’re right that is exactly why it happens not changing your oil often enough

Just watched this video - Can we assume that this also applies to the 6.4l?

What year is your truck? And does it tick?

Ok so I have a 2016 Ram 1500 Hemi and I've noticed that when I let off the gas going about (starts at 25-30mph) I'll get this tick/rattle, when I get back on the gas it stops... I've noticed that when I get to about that time when it needs an oil change it gets a little louder... I'm guessing it's a lifter correct???

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

potentially but a lifter tick should be constant for the most part.

Great stuff! 2013 5.7.Hemi 135k. Always thought the 5w-20 would be too thin in the Florida heat but apparently thinner is better in this case. Mine just started within couple days of switching to a 5w-30 synthetic you explained this perfectly thank you. Get's a thumbs up and subscribed! JR

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

thank you sir! with those hydraulic lifters different oils can effect them so it's always good to stick with the recommended oil weight especially with these newer engines having such tight tolerances. the older engines you could throw in any weight of oil and it would run fine lol

@thyhangman

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Love the truck otherwise dammit man! lol I'm almost inclined to go even thinner but back to 3k intervals like we use too lol Got a great guy to listen too it for me tomorrow thanks again!

How come it only happens to the back lifters? The others lifters get the same oil as well.

You have explained this very well. My 2017 5.7 Hemi ticks at random for an unknown reason at start up for 30 or so seconds then goes away. I have had it to 4 dealerships and 3 other garages. The other garages all claim it is lifter fade and all dealerships say there is absolutely nothing wrong with my truck. I even ordered new exhaust manifolds and tried to pay to get them changed. The garage told me there is nothing wrong with the ones on the truck refused ti change them and said it is lifter issues needed to be addressed by the dealer. In turn the dealerships all say nothing is wrong and refuse to do anything. So I guess at this point I will never buy another Ram because it is the worst vehicle I have ever owned, bought this one brand new, and I hope it blows up before my warranty is up so Ram will at least look at it before just dismissing it. Not because the truck is bad but because the entire company Ram only wants your money to buy it and provides zero service even if you try to pay them to do it after the sale. I have had my truck to every Ram dealer in a 60 mile radius and they all say the same thing. I have however noticed with the 5-20 oil it ticks 7 out of 10 starts and with 5-30 it ticks 3 out of 10 starts. I have been very concerned about this since I bought the truck, I personally change the oil every 3000 miles because I don't want old oil running thru it and refuse to wait for 5000 miles. Love my Ram hate the company. Hoping it my Ram makes it to 50,000 miles on this motor

@aggie7756

2 жыл бұрын

Why have you introduced 5w-30 into the engine? Nowhere in the truck's manual does it say that 5w-30 is acceptable or recommended. I have a 2013 ram with a 5.7 (107k miles) and have always used 5w-20 (conventional first 75k, then full synthetic since). No problems so far. However, I have had to replace broken exhaust manifold bolt's at approx 60k and again recently. But no issues whatsoever with the engine (fingers crossed).

@MrStroblight24

2 жыл бұрын

@@aggie7756 When I use 5w-20 the motor sounds like it is going to explode almost every time I start it. Since Ram will not address the issue and refused to investigate my complaint at all 4 dealerships in my area I looked for an answer to the issue. I was recommended to try heavier oil by 2 local garages after Ram would not address the issue through me or with the recommendations on paper from the local garages. As I stated in the original comment the different oil has mostly resolved the issue and it now only sounds like it is going to explode sometimes at start up. Also since Ram does not stand behind their warranty and is a garbage company I have considered my truck to not have one and do everything at my own risk. My truck has just over 40,000 miles on it. I bought it brand new and it has done this same thing where it sounds like it will explode at startup since 10,000 miles when I use to have RAM do all the maintenance on it. Yes I am bitter and do not like Ram anymore but that is because I spend $40,000 on a pile of Ram.

I have 2015 ram hemi, and i have this ticking sound when starting the engine for around 1 minute then the sound is gone. I could not find any issue with exhaust manifold, could it be from the lifters? Or should i double check the manifolds again?. The sound started 6 months ago, have slightly increased. However car is running perfect with so ticking sound after engine is warmed up

@lalo27ish

3 жыл бұрын

Had the same problem on mine and had to replace cam and lifters!

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

usually when the ticking sound lasts for a short time (like 60 seconds) it's a manifold leak. however, if the manifold is not leaking there is a chance it could be your lifters and after getting warm for a sec their clearances tightened up and the ticking becomes less obvious. Honestly if you are concerned bring the vehicle into the dealer or a trusted mechanic and pay for an hour or two to properly diagnose what's going on. they can probably narrow down what is causing the ticking sound pretty quick.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

@@lalo27ish that sucks, how many Km's on the engine?

@barrybebenek8691

2 жыл бұрын

Exact issue on my ‘14 recently. Shortly after starting, the tick goes away. Would like to know how things progress for you Ahmad. 🇨🇦

@ahmadalblooshi

2 жыл бұрын

@@barrybebenek8691 unfortunately I confirmed its not the manifold. The sound started increasing specially at cold start. When the engine is warm it is also slightly audible. Will plan to replace lifters soon and check for cam damage.

I've seen videos where some people have replaced the original oil pump with a hell cat oil pump.....What do you think?

Okay.. So I may not be able to shed any light on the situation, but I can share my experience with my 2012 1500. The only time I get any "tick" out of the engine is when I'm driving around with the MDS activated. When I put the truck in manual gear selection mode (which for those who don't know, turns off the MDS) and all 8 cylinders activate again, said "tick" goes away completely. I just replaced the broken manifold bolts 2 weeks ago hoping that that was the issue and it helped a ton, but didn't solve the issue. In my case, it IS a problem with the MDS. With 120000 miles on the truck, it's not worth my time or money to fix at this point, but if you have the tick, just try deactivating the MDS and see what happens.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Certainly could be the MDS system in your case. it is a mechanical component and they can fail. I know with my truck when the mds system kicks in it is a very different sound. kind of sounds like subtle misfire and the truck does ride differently. but certainly not a tick.

@natev580

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Hmm. Yeah my "tick" isn't metal on metal so I know it's not the infamous Hemi tick. It sounds more like an exhaust leak that goes away when I turn the MDS off. Already replaced the manifold bolts and gaskets. Just put a cat back system in it this week, so I'm pretty sure all the exhaust issues that could pop up are covered. I'm just going to drive it until it blows up, then I'll buy a new one.

My 07 5.7 HEMI was German Daimler-Chrysler engine. Every part is made in Germany 🇩🇪. Daimler divested from Chrysler in 07. I guess that’s why this problems are happening on 09 + models.

I have a lifter noise it only makes when I'm idle it doesnt make a sound when I drive it

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Is your oil level low?

My theory is that the needle bearings are too thin and also that the oil flow in and out of the bearings is too slow. This can lead to oil break down at high temperatures, and when the bearings are that thin, even a little wear can have a big impact. And of course, if one or two needle bearings are missing from a lifter, then that will definitely lead to failure (Don't get your lifters from China).

How often do you change your oil? Thanks

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

usually every 3 months. 4 times a year. works out to like every 6-7 thousand kms

@toddcansler6591

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Thanks

Great vid, ive got a 2021 warlock on order with the hemi :D. Cheers from the mainland

@ClanOfPowerVideo

3 жыл бұрын

james those trucks are nice! I bought a 2020 warlock a few months ago and absolutely love it! Surprised they don't more than they do. Don't see them around often.

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Yes those trucks are nice and Ram seems to be just giving those things away! great discounts on right now. some standard with the 3.92 gears and a LSD rear end!

Good video, I always like following your stuff! I've watched a lot of videos on this and Uncle Tony is quite convincing along with the idle hours due to lower oil pressure and based on a new video at Idle the MDS isn't activated to pressurize the lifter bores. That covers lubrication but I like the other components your talking about in this video..Here is another explanation that talks about some more topics - kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqCels-FmKSvZLw.html My Ram dealership said it calls for conventional oil and looked at me weird when I asked for a Synthetic Blend or even Full Synthetic. I'll be using Synthetic for sure on my 2014. It is interesting as well that the service manual doesn't really state how often to change it. It basically says wait for the oil change indicator system to remind you and to change it before 10k miles or 16k kms or 12 months...so I blame the owners manual as well for letting the general customer trust their indicator light. I change mine every 3,000-5,000 miles (5-8k in kms). Keep up the good vids man! I appreciate the new info.

How long will the truck last if it begins to misfire?

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

if the truck is already misfiring your Cam is already messed up. probably not long unfortunately

I have a 2010 5.7 dodge big horn and redline 5/20 seem to ease the tick It didn't do it rite away but after my first oil change it almost stopped it completely sooo happy I changed the manifold bolts all of them cam and lifter swap and it came back with in 4 days of the swap I was at the end of my cash flow so I payed the 120.00 dollars for a case and it's the only thing that actually did anything

In my 07 ram. 161k miles and never had a problem. Oil change every 3k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic gets in between parts and keeps part clean and lubricated.

Look up uncle Tony's garage true old mopar guy says in 3rd generation hemi they changed block designs cams up higher lack of oil look it up you are correct .

@TheGettyAdventures

3 жыл бұрын

Love Uncle Tony's garage, he's got some great info

So what's the solution for this issue?