Just did 2 drain and fills on my '14 Big Horn at 91K miles. I used Valvoline Maxlife ATF and a Dorman pan. It shifts better than ever IMHO. I have a transmission thermostat bypass installed so the transmission no longer operates at 200F+ temps. I am hoping that the truck outlasts me. Priced a new one lately? Jeesh!

Zf, the designer of the transmission recommends 100k km or 60k miles, 5 years for service. I did my service at 60k and the fluid was disgusting. Replace the pan/filter combo and refill the fluid it isn’t hard

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

fair enough! thanks for the info!

@jodyroe7996

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a link to parts and tools needed?

@marioandultrachap

2 жыл бұрын

The only problem is is ZF gonna to cover your butt if something goes wrong doing this? Doubt it lol

@simontallboy209

11 ай бұрын

I tow with my Ram so I follow ZF recommendations. My Ram dealer did it, they were reluctant due to the cost of the parts. My local trans shop had only done one. It's odd your dealer doesn't do it.

@user-gf6ti9zs3u

11 ай бұрын

@@simontallboy209I bought the mopar trans filter/pan combo on Amazon for $250. I bought the mopar 8speed fluid for $30 per quart. It took about 4qts. I did it myself in my garage. Easy..several KZread videos on it

I have a 2016 1500 4x4 5.7..210k miles...never touched it..truck runs like a beast

I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie with the 5.7 V-8 and the ZF-8 speed transmission. I am planning on changing my transmission fluid at 40,000 miles and the fluid and filter at 60,000 miles. This Ram is the best full sized truck I have ever owned, and I have owned them all. It is the most comfortable, economical, powerful and safest truck I have owned in the last 60 years of me being on the road.

Simple ! It’s a disposable bic lighter that will cost you $12 grand when it breaks or buy a new truck which is exactly what they want you to do . Mystery solved . Your welcome

Definitely change your transmission fluid. It is mentioned in the maintenance manual schedule as far as I know. When they tell you it will last the lifetime of the vehicle, they are going by the standard time frame that people keep vehicles, which is 5 years. Of course this all depends on how long you plan on keeping the vehicle and how you use it. If you do a lot miles on the vehicle, then you need to change the transmission fluid every 80,000kms according to my manual. If you constantly towing or off roading, then I would reduce that number to 60,000 kms.

@lrobie123

20 күн бұрын

people keep vehicles at least 10 years now

I changed mine at 50,000 miles, the beginning of the range ZF recommends to change the fluid in their own product. Considering transmission fluid change intervals used to be on the order of 30,000 miles, 50,000 seems reasonable for a well-engineered modern transmission. "Never" does not sound reasonable. I ended up installing one of PPE's Ram 1500 aluminum transmission pans, and plan to drop it every 50,000 miles to replace the replaceable PPE filter inside, and fluid with ZF's "Lifeguard Fluid 8." Remember, lifetime fill will never be a false statement, because when the tranny dies, the lifetime has been attained. Boo. I plan to keep mine as long as possible, so frequent transmission fluid changes are a no-brainer for me.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! thanks for the info. I'm hoping to keep mine as long as possible as well. Hence, Why I want to try and maintain it well

@alejandromunoz1773

2 жыл бұрын

Drain plug remove, drain and fill up? I'm learning towards the job. I love this amazing transmission.

@joepotaczek

Жыл бұрын

I also got a PPE never did it yet Im farely mechanical how long does it take start to finish?

I went to a dedicated transmission shop that I trust, and they did it for me. They said it was QUITE a job getting the pan swapped out.. 500 some dollars, not cheap but new transmissions aren't cheap either. Doing mine every 60k.

As a Mopar master tech, and a owner of a ram I suggest doing it when ever you want too. It's not a hard job to do, they do say NOT to flush the 8 or the 9 speed trans, and they do say its filled for life, and if the wrong trans fluid is used it will damage the trans. Flushing and dropping the pan and replacing the filter and fluid is the best way to do modern trans IMHO. 60k miles is the norm for most auto trans.

Congrats on the power wagon I have an 845 re in my 1500 Tradesman. At 98,000 miles I swapped out the pan/filter and re filled via the specific procedure with Chrysler 8+9 speed fluid. Cost me about 250.00 doing it myself laying on the ground. That was a little over 10k miles ago. I sent the fluid to my oil sample company. It did show wear but wasn't completely gone. I have frequently towed more than I should have. Almost double my tow rating (not recommended). Still going. Did my diff fluid at 80k miles. V6 3.21 axle ratio 2wd

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

very cool info! so your transmission fluid could of in theory still ran for a while longer? How are you liking the v6? I know people really seem to like them.

@shipjumper6068

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures I got one about 16 months ago and have put over 40,000 miles on it over that time. Gets better gas mileage than any of the midsize V6 engines and has enough pep to pass vehicles on the road when needed. I just hope I can get over 200,000 miles out of it like I did with my 5.7 Hemi.

I changed my transmission fluid on my 2017 ram 1500 Right after I hit 100,000 miles. The fluid wasn’t super dirty but definitely was not in the same condition as the new fluid. One of the dealer mechanics agree with me far as changing the fluid out every 100,000 miles Unless I’m doing a lot of towing if so change it every 70,000 miles.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff, Appreciate the info!

@Jeffrey_Hemi

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures 👍

@Miguel_A_S

2 жыл бұрын

What did it cost to do it? I asked for a quote and was told $600.

@louismccomack9524

Жыл бұрын

How muxh did it cost you? Also did you go through the dealership or a local shop?

@reckless3008

Жыл бұрын

I'm at 67k on my 2017 ram1500 I do tow hay and a four wheeler trailer often. I was told it's a life time no Maintenance transmission lol I'm glad I found this video and your comments ill be changing it very soon.

I changed mine 3 times on my 2015 ram Longhorn there is a process drain fill temp between 89-122 run through the gears refill. Best to be done at home get the truck off the ground and level the day before changing fluid. I used Amsoil ATF blue label shifts better than OEM fluid. I have 10,000 miles on my 2022 ram 1500 limited I will be changing the fluid very soon cheap insurance. I changed the coolant every 30,000 miles fluids I dont trust none of them

Had my ZF transmission fluid changed at Valvoline quick change 9 qts. no filter. $180 plus tax. 2015 Grand Cherokee 114785 miles at time of change have put on 500 miles since, still runs good. Hope this helps

@dannyeller4472

10 ай бұрын

Thanks dude. About to get my transmission fluid changed in my dodge challenger with almost the exact same miles on it. Definitely put my mind at ease

Find another dealer, who will. If you can't find one, look for a reputable transmission shop, that specializes in transmission services. (someone like AMMCO) I don't care what anyone says, there is always clutch pack wear when a transmission shifts, especially while under heavy load. 8-speed transmissions do a lot of shifting as well. The transmission will need new fluid, and perhaps, a new pickup filter. When new, the clutch packs will shed more material, as they're 'breaking in' . After that first change, they don't need to be serviced as often.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Very true! Ram's transfer case uses clutch packs as well and they recommend like every 60k or something. I've heard these ZF transmission are very well built and can last a long time. I could probably service the thing myself but I also wouldn't mind paying a little extra for someone who specializes just to do it for me.

Dealer here says the same thing, we don’t service the transmission, after some prodding, the service manager said, bring it in at 100,000 miles and we’ll service the transmission, fluid and filter change, the pan is plastic, you could DIY or purchase a new one or clean and reseal original pan, very specific fill instructions, plug on side of pan is where you fill, don’t overfill, at specified temperature you have to double check the correct level, till you get it right, that’s probably why the dealers aren’t very enthusiastic about this service, it’s time consuming!

100k miles I changed fluid and filter/pan. The fluid is good until the end of life of the transmission. Whether that is 100k or 200k. You'll get more life out when you change transmission fluid/filer. Don't silly, change your fluid!

14 Ram 1500 here just got it in December. With 160,000. For $20,000. Yesterday I noticed a possible sloshing sound while the transmission was downshifting. I have a feeling it's never been changed. After seeing some of you guys comments I'm going to take my truck to get the oil and filter changed.

@Miguel_A_S

2 жыл бұрын

Well $7000. Later it was the cams and lifters. A few weeks later started hearing rattling sounds.

@scottwilkins

11 ай бұрын

@@Miguel_A_S Always have a qualified tech check out any used truck before you buy. Don't trust the dealer/person selling it.

This is probably the best transmission dodge has ever used and go figure it's not made by dodge. In the 90s when I worked for Dodge they had tons of transmission issues they really made up for that with these ones. I wouldn't worry if you don't do a lot of towing and quit frankly dropping the pan isn't gonna do a lot you need to flush out the old fluid while it's running and if the filter is clogged your transmission is already going bad. It used to be common practice to drop the pan and change the filter but 99% of the time a good transmission won't need a filter it'll look brand new so unless there's a leak there's no reason to drop the pan. But you can drain it if you have a drain then drive around drain it again and again until it actually makes a difference. Same thing with my 22 hemi Durango nothing in the manual about transmission fluid changing but if it never gets overheated it should continue doing what it's supposed to do.

@oldironguy

4 ай бұрын

Actually it is made by Chrysler. They have exclusive rights from ZF to build these 8spds for themselves. They can't sell them to anyone else. They are a great transmission!

@Atlec-j9y

3 ай бұрын

@@oldironguy The ZF transmission used in the Ram is based on the same transmission (ZF 8HP) used across many brands. Sure the ZF 8HP RE TorqueFlight version is specific to Ram because they customized it to their applications. But the transmission it's based on is seen in BMW, Land Rover, Audi, Rolls Royce, and Jaguar. You are right though, that even though it's a ZF based design, Stellantis manufactures them.

@oldironguy

3 ай бұрын

@cyearns 100%correct. It is the same basic design that is used by many European manufacturers. As I stated, Chrysler builds them for their own use and cannot sell them to other brands. The one thing that is different is that Chrysler is the Only manufacturer allowed by ZF to build their transmissions apart from ZF themselves. Chrysler is also allowed to develop their own specific mapping and tuning for the ones that they produce.

I tried to get mine serviced at around 50,000 miles and the dealership wanted me to sign a waiver saying they aren’t responsible if anything happens to it and that I should come back at 80k-100k when it is considered acceptable wear so I don’t have to sign that waiver

I saw CANADA & Ontario on ur plate so I just hit the "Like" my 2014 has 310k and haven't had to do a thing yet (knock on wood lol) Gr8 vid Alex just wish ya had a bit more info with what to do or plans with what should be done @ 160-300+ k Kms. Cheers

My 2015 8 speed has 200,000 miles on it with no problems with it. The Ram dealer said no service required. Currently my truck is at the Ram dealer for a differential overhaul. I’m considering a transmission overhaul at a transmission shop I trust since I’m planning a trip from Kansas City to Key West in October I really don’t want to at the mercy of a dealer somewhere. Any comments?

When does your warranty end? What people dont know is that the life of the transmission ends when your warranty ends. Remember that. Looks like you have a classic ram. Are you sure you dont have a 845re trans?

My dealer told me it needs service at 100,000 miles and it will cost me 750.00 for them to do it. Why make something so hard to check and take care of other then to make the customer go to the dealer and spend a super dumb amount of money for something that should be so much easier with the technology we have today! Cause the working class is just made of money! Are country is turning into a competition of what entity can screw the people the most!

@Atlec-j9y

3 ай бұрын

Nobody is making you use the dealer for this service....any competent transmission shop can handle this. They make it "hard to check" because they want to limit the possibility of dirt getting into the transmission.

I’ve heard the same. I heard from Reignited Cycle and Automotive KZread channel who was a mechanic for Dodge/Ram mention that most issues with ZF come after doing a transmission fluid change lol I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it lol

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

It's just strange, I understand that sometimes changing transmission fluid can actually make automatic clutches slip more then with the dirty grippier trans fluid but at some point you would think that clean fluid is better then broken down old fluid. It's an interesting topic

@josephcuellar2592

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures it is strange. Maybe Ram doesn’t expect the vehicle to last as long as the life of the transmission fluid lol

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcuellar2592 Haha honestly wouldn't put it past them. As long as it makes it out of warranty they are no longer on the hook.

@josephcuellar2592

2 жыл бұрын

@SendNods the ZF transmissions have a long history and it’s pretty solid

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@SendNods The ZF transmission are know to be very well built units but ya I wouldn't put it past Chrysler trying to shortened their lifespan to try and sell more trucks. they are built well enough that most will make it out of extended warranty without issues. but without service over the years you would think it would probably shorten the lifespan.

I just had my ram transmission serviced with a new filter and fluid at 99K. Now have 111K and the transmissions are starting to slip and surge. I just traded it back to the Ram dealer for a new 2023 Ram, a very expensive truck. My dealer said not to change the fluid and I said, BS, but now I know why they said that. Doesn't seem right.

@Atlec-j9y

3 ай бұрын

If you had those issues after a transmission service they might have used the wrong fluid or got some contamination in the fluid during the process. The only reason they said not to change it is because Ram says it doesn't need to be, not because it can cause issues.

I have 300.000 miles on a 2001 Ford ranger and fluid has never been changed and still shifting strong. It's all how you treat the truck.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

fair enough! that's pretty impressive, I mean other then towing the truck is driven well so hopefully I can have the same fate as you!

@joeshmoe8952

2 жыл бұрын

My buddy gots a 6.0 Super Duty with 550k miles and the original transmission is bulletproof, only thing he does is change the fluid when it’s that time to do it. I got a 2005 4runner with 221k miles and the largest toyota dealer in the U.S. told me I got a sealed transmission & I never have to change the fluid. I always disagreed with that theory but in reality my transmission is running just fine so I can’t complain.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeshmoe8952 fair enough I mean only time will tell if these 8 speed trans are any good.

@joeshmoe8952

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures I’m actually considering a new Ram 1500 big horn V6 and I believe it has the same 8 speed as the hemi. Either way I would service it right when the warranty ends which is around 60k miles I believe.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeshmoe8952 that's what I was contemplating also. but then I ended up getting a new truck so we'll cross that bridge in a few years!

Not speaking to the ZF, but transmission in general. In 20 years I have never changed the transmission fluid in any truck and have driven them between 140,000 to 238,000 miles this way. With some people that I respect vehicle wise saying the only time transmission problems show up is when the transmission fluid is changed. Not based on science just the Brow word, so huge grain of salt needed, and my experience.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I've also heard that a lot. It's a tough call what to do!

@Brsrafal

8 ай бұрын

spot on these online guys just tell you to change everything drop fill like its just simple oil change . I went over 350k orig fluid plan on keeping it that way

Per ZF, manufacturer of that transmission. They say 150km to change fluid. Sooner if in high temperature, high loads, or unknown vehicle use. I am changing pan, filter, and fluid this weekend on my daughter's Alfa Romeo Giulia. It has the ZF 8HP50 transmission. My local Alfa dealership said the same as yours and for the same reason. I trust the company who actually makes the product. Manufacturers say lifetime as to make it seem to lower "maintenance cost" to the consumers. Please change it and it isn't difficult at all.

Even with the obvious overstatements of their capabilities the ZF is an incredible transmission. Sound German Automotive actually has unlocked the ZF transmissions and is selling a transmission controller for like $1100US. With paddle shifters its like $1600

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard great things about the ZF, I just don't want to ruin it by not changing the fluid lol I'd like to have it working well for a long time!

@whyzee125

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Definitely change your fluid. In the BMW world, BMW claims lifetime fill (like many manufacturers do now) but ZF actually says to change the fluid at 60k for that application. BMW ignores that advice. Those who keep their fluid fresh almost never have trans issues whereas those who leave the factory fill often have issues by 150-170k. Change it :)

@michaelprosser3466

Жыл бұрын

Is it a drain and fill process? I heard that the actual transmission pan contains a filter and the entire assembly gets replaced along with the fluid. It all has to be done at a certain temperature. Is this correct? How much and what spec fluid does it take?

@dylandaehn7308

11 ай бұрын

@@michaelprosser3466KZread it but yes you are on the right track

@A_Scanner_Lightly

8 ай бұрын

Will it fit a 4th gen Supercharged 5.7L 1500 Ram?

I just changed mine after 120000 miles. It feels smoother between gears now as far as I can tell.

@KidFriendlyGaming

6 ай бұрын

I did it at 86k and also seems to be smoother and less noticeable shifts

Wish me luck. My 2014 is an old farm truck. 220k and it’s going still strong. Only thing the truck has had besides very consistent oil changes has been a water pump replacement.

@jesusgarcia1589

4 ай бұрын

Have you changed the transmission in it? I’ve had my 2016 since it had 105k and now it’s at 231k and was wondering if I should change the fluid. I don’t think it’s ever been changed

@jeremy31326

3 ай бұрын

@@jesusgarcia1589 man I’m afraid of jinxing my luck here. I still have the truck and it’s running a tad over 230k. Still the factory 8 speed with factory fluid. She’s still a peppin along. I’m not familiar with this transmission. But I’m afraid that it would make issues now changing the fluid. I could be wrong here but I wonder if changing the fluid would do what older neglected transmissions would do when introducing a new fluid that would wash out the remaining good clearances.

My Ram started shifting harshly at 100k miles. The dealer and some other mechanics told me that it is not even possible to change the oil on these without taking the transmission apart. Not even a dipstick on them. The manager as Valvoline oil change said he has this transmission on his personal vehicle and changes his trans oil no problem. He was able to do it for me using the transmission flush equipment they have available. It is shifting is much softer now and not jerking when I take off from a stop. Apparently, you can't take the "experts" word for it on these transmissions anymore than you can take their word for it on the recommended 10K mile oil change intervals... which is also apparently not true.

I have a 2014 Nissan Maxima and it is also a lifetime transmission, and what they mean by that is it's under warranty until the transmission dies then your s.o.l. but I still removed my transmission pan and changed it anyway

I serviced mine at 90,000 miles installed a ppe trans pan that holds I think 2 or 3 extra quarts of fluid and it's an alluminun pan with a replaceable filter and used AMSOIL signature series high efficiency fluid the transmission never worked better.

The transmission fluid and pan are crazy expensive and changing it every 100k or so still isn’t going to greatly extend the life of it. Save the money for a new transmission is apparently the idea. Being serious. You could change the fluid every 50k miles and still only get 200k miles out of it. It would be kind of upsetting to do that much work to it and still have it fail. It’s $900 to have fluid change at dealership.

Toyota has "lifetime" interval on number of them too. Toyota also does not recommend flushing transmissions. I know of a few around 500k. The reality is most will be scrapped before the trans fails.

@davidh5950

Жыл бұрын

Flushing is usually not good, drain and fill is different and recommended around 60k on Toyota Tacoma transmissions.

@Brsrafal

8 ай бұрын

or rusty

The fact is that Chrysler is in business to sell vehicles. Having transmissions that last for ever is counter productive in selling vehicles. A regularly serviced ZF transmission could very well last "for ever". Going by an extra long or non existent service interval, the ZF transmission is designed to out last the longest MOPAR warranty that you can buy. After that, you're on your own when there is a failure. The theory is keep the customer happy long enough to become loyal, but not so long as to never have to buy another vehicle. That said, ZF has service kits available on their website, and if I recall correctly, they recommend service every 100,000 km (62,000 miles).

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%, As long as the transmission lasts past warranty and keeps customers happy that's all that matters. But my guess is Chrysler doesn't want folks driving the same truck for 10-20 years they want them driving a truck for 8-9 years then buying another. So it seems like everyone is pointing to the ZF website recommendations and they probably know best!

@alejandromunoz1773

2 жыл бұрын

Production began in 2013. Although the 850RE Torqueflite is built-and-designed in the United States, the design is licensed from the German built-and-designed ZF 8HP transmission. Its worth the fluid change!

@cornelius6304

2 жыл бұрын

Do it every 35k

I have a Ram 1500 with the ZF 8 speed with 158,000 miles on it. I have not serviced the trans at all and have yet to have any issues. My wife has a Cherokee with the ZF 9 speed with 188,000 miles on it without any service and has had zero issues as well. That said, I wish I could do a trans flush on them. I would have done in at 75,000 mile intervals if that were possible.

I had mine service to Amoco at this transmission and filter service I had it done early at 80,000 miles

For everybody that doesn’t know, always maintain everything. A dealer will tell you that to make more money off of you.

I spoke to my RAM dealer also, told me they won’t service transmission. I’m changing pan/filter assembly and fluid at 100,000 miles per fluid specs.

Great point, I had 2006 toyota sequoia limited 200k miles 320k km with sealed transmission no issues at all ,i did little bit of research back than regarding sealed transmission oil change interval and find out that it could potentially damage some transmission components with new oil which would offer better lubrication cleanliness and less friction is where problems arise, friction in transmission oil is very delicate subject ,bottom line is if its shifting well live it alone ,.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Ya that's kind of my fear. Because I have heard of issues arising from new fluid. I'm kinda leaning towards changing the fluid anyways. there seems to be a small noticeable noise when downshifting to 1st gear. So we'll see I hoping to call some local transmission shops and see what they have heard in regards to this transmission

@MultiPartizan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Totally agree definitely try changing oil and filter first make sure its original oil not aftermarket, made in EU is going to better quality since ZF is made in Austria , in case no visible results add some Liqui Moly mos2 or Ceratec it will provide less fiction highly beneficial in same instances, let me know how did go,best of luck.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@MultiPartizan1 Thank you sir!

@MultiPartizan1

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for wonderful videos and your dedication , I personally own 2019 ram 1500 new body style added 6120 BILSTEIN front and rear SHOCKS coilovers big game changer , ICON dual rate springs on the back ,forged aluminum upper control arms huge improvement in ride quality and custom SS exhaust all sitting on 35×12.5R20 BFGOODRICH KO2 Switched from nitto ridge grappler Great tire but quality of ruber on BF KO2 are just not comparable. If you ever find out all little FCA secrets about Borger Warner all wheel drive transfer case mining what does engages clutches besides outside temperature, Wiper blades on ,manual gear shifter on ,slippage, how does steering input works in conjunction with clutches when turning reducing 4WD operation or its disconnecting I will be very curious to know,thanks again for all your quality time.

@cornelius6304

2 жыл бұрын

Very false statement no oil exists yet by any manufacturer to date that can resist heat and friction break down of oil over 50k miles. Transmission fluid is supposed to be changed every 35k, the problem is manufacturers have tooken advantage of consumers with no mechanical understanding. They tell things like “lifetime” or 100k oil life. And in reality your after 35k miles your fluid starts breaking down becoming acidic and losing its lubrication properties, then your clutch packs start wearing down to the point where the old fluid is full of burnt clutch material. When you get to this point the only thing that keeps the tranny shifting is the clutch material in the fluid so it can grab. If you change your fluid regularly your clutch packs don’t degrade. So essentially listen to this guy with zero mechanical understanding obviously and slowly but surely destroy your transmission. Or just have some common sense and change the fluid every 35k. The longer you wait past the 30k mark the more you damage the transmission.

I have a ‘15 1500 5.7 with the 8 speed. Bought it in 2019 with 64,000 miles. I did a flush at 125,000. Everything was fine. But it’s just not worth the risk. Down time and cost man… Totally worth a little pm time and small amount of cash.

Been told the same thing from the five local dealership in my area. They just don’t service them. They tell me to keep an eye on the temperature and it there’s any leakage around the seal. My 2013 Ram 1500 has over 174000 miles on it, and the fluid has not been changed. Still shifts as if it’s new. I don’t tow that much with it so that might have something to do with it.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

that's awesome sir! I believe 2013 was the first year they introduced the 8 speed and well it's last a good 9 years so I'd say that's not a bad thing.

I'm doing this right now pan and oil filter is from 470 to 670 oil costs can be anywhere from 30 to $60 a liter this is ridiculously expensive for an oil change

I have a 2016 ram 1500 sport with the ZF 8 speed. I changed mine at 95k with the Mopar fluid. You can also use the ZF life Gaurd 8. I’m also A BMW tech, BMWs use the ZF8-Hp also. All of the manufacture say lifetime and that’s usually 100K for fluids.

Well, I tried to get the transmission fluid changed in my Ram 1500 at 70,000 miles. I had trouble finding anyone who could figure out how to do it. At one point was told it would take specialized equipment and cost about $600! At about 78,000 miles the transmission bit the dust. At the 62,000 mile mark I had spent $2000 on dealing with the Penstar tick (camshaft bearings). I decided to trade the truck rather than having a second major repair at less than 80,000 miles.

@marioandultrachap

2 жыл бұрын

Really? That's it? Sounds like a defective transmission. There's people who never change their fluid and it last longer than that. Damn lol

@louismccomack9524

Жыл бұрын

Oh boy that makes me nervous. I have a 2019 with 65k miles and havent changed transmission fluid yet

@scottwilkins

11 ай бұрын

You did just like the majority of truck owners. Many say they drive them farther, but thats not the majority.

@scottwilkins

11 ай бұрын

@@louismccomack9524 It cost money to own any vehicle. You pay to buy it, then you pay to upkeep it. Nothing new here.

@louismccomack9524

11 ай бұрын

@@scottwilkins do I need to change my oil?

2019 ram dealership talk to me transmission fluid lifetime 8 speed transmission

I trade every 3 years on my birthday 🎂 so it doesn't matter to me , I started buying Ram in 1998 and I'm 63 now , a couple times I waited 4 years to trade because of the market , I live full time RV life off grid and always pulled a Camper and cars on my trailer and I've never had a Ram transmission problem . I've had real good luck with Ram , I'm not downing other brands ,I'm just a Ram man .because I love the look at first then got hooked of the performance .

Just changed mine at 76,000,fluid still looked pretty decent,filter was obviously dirty,bougt 6 qts and the pan/filter for 300$ from blauparts

Had a ZF in my 2006 LR3 that also claimed to not need servicing, that was a lie, ZF stated it needed to be changed every 100K miles.

Lifetime means out of the factory power train warranty and not a day more !

I have a 1500 ecodiesel 4x4 tradesman quad, towed for most of its 161073 miles and running great , ac needs a service is all

Zf recommends they be replaced every 60,000miles. Are you going to trust ram who "uses" the 8hp70 or are you going to trust zf who makes them. I'll be doing it next summer around 70,000km. Ordered the ppe pan from Canadian diesel online and 2 jugs of valvoline maxlife atf.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Yaa that's what I've heard and my truck is just past 60,000 miles so that's why I'm curious what other are doing. thank you for the info!

I have the same questions you have. Called around and got different answer. One shop told me 160,000 miles but he also thought that seemed like too many miles.The Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge dealer told me 60,000 miles. Still waiting for a transmission shop to get back to me with their answer. I looked at my owners manual and didn't see anything on the 8 speed trans., only about the six speed transmission. Life time does not make sense to me either.

I just got to this part of the video, and you answered your question that you did ask of viewers by expressing that the manufacturer of the transmission states transmission, oil, change, or oil flush interval. That is what you go by if you're able to find that information, but if not, we'd have to go by our owners manual, which again is the minimum standard at which to maintain the engine & transmission in order to maintain warranty and get it to the point where it's outside of warranty when it fails. The marketing strategies in which the vehicle dealerships and sales representatives come up with is pretty shady at best. You can never heard anything on a vehicle by changing it more often rather than not at all..

The article says the 8 speed I'd made only in Michigan under the ZF license but actually the 5.7 6.4 trans are made in south carolina

The term lifetime used by the industry is what's known to be the lifetime of the owner for that vehicle that's their industries standard and that's how they get away with a marketing but you are right the owners manual does state 100,000 miles in which the transmission should be serviced and that doesn't include under severe conditions which would be probably at 50,000 miles in severe driving conditions like towing or uphill driving & CITY driving. It's a marketing employee that other manufactures have used and it's no different than the 20 000 mile once a year oil change, which is again bullshit, but it will get that engine through till warranty is up doing those mile changes that way, which is how the engineered because automotive manufacturers are in the business of selling vehicles not parts. Nothing has changed in the last 15 years and all the sudden we can go twice as long without oil change. The internal components of a hemi are almost identical to the first generation other than the addition of the MDS system, but in order to sell more vehicles, the numbers are altered in order to give customers more time because we don't want to be inconvenienced now nowadays, and time is money, and unless we have to do to maintain our vehicles the better. Nothing has changed. We still need to do the same maintenance we did 1015 years ago but the transmissions and the engines are all engineered by the lifetime spec being the lifetime of the owner and driver of that vehicle. It'll make it through out of warranty and then if something fails, it's probably cheaper to buy a new one and that's how it's done. Almost disposable cars nowadays unfortunately.

I’ve heard the exact same thing at the purchasing Dodge Ram dealership, the service department said the 8speed Ram 1500 fluid change not required, i’m flabbergasted, never anything like it, maybe it’s incompetent service procedure by the mechanic, cheaper to simply replace one or two vs a bunch due to poor maintenance procedures, and then the warranty runs out, and the big monkey is off their backs, that’s the only thing that makes any sense!

Replace the pan-filter combo and refill the fluid until it overflows the drain plug following the manufacturer ZF instructions

I changed the pan-filter and replaced the fluid at 50k miles and it was pretty filthy.

I have a 2017 ram 1500 with 75,000 miles and I also was curious with changing the transmission oil, so I went to the dealer and they said no 😂 I was trippin for a min didn’t listen to them I just recently took my truck to a local shop and I had them change the oil pan to a bigger one with royal purple transmission oil.

I can’t speak to why Chrysler won’t give a service interval, but I don’t buy lifetime fluid for a minute. I have a 2017 Ram 1500 with a 6” suspension lift and 35’s, 8hp70 and 3.92 gears. I tow a two horse trailer, utility trailer and a travel trailer. There is absolutely no way that I am going to allow fluid to stay in my transmission until it fails and find myself buying a new one just due to lack of maintenance. The fluid that is manufactured by ZF, branded by Chrysler, and sold for almost $40 a quart is a group 3 Hydrocracked synthetic. It’s a decent fluid, not an incredible fluid. It is designed to last long enough to get through the initial warranty period under normal use. At 50,000 miles, I did a complete flush to get all of that group 3 fluid out and replaced it with Amsoil low viscosity transmission fluid. (Blue bottle). This fluid not only meets, but greatly exceeds all of the specifications for the factory fluid, and is far superior in every way. It is a group 4 synthetic base stock and will outperform and outlast any group 3 under harsh conditions. It should be noted that the factory fluid that came out of that transmission at only 50,000 miles did not look new anymore. I know my truck works harder than most 1500s between my driving style, the large tires, added wind resistance of the lift, and the towing that I do. That said, if the fluid was already visibly starting to break down at 50,000 miles, I can’t imagine that it would’ve made it to 100,000. My truck now has 100,000 miles on it and I am going to drop the pan, replace the filter, and refill that fluid with Amsoil again. If the fluid does not look brand new, I will do another flush after the pan drop. I also plan to send a sample of the oil removed for oil analysis, which will be very telling. I have had absolutely no issues with my transmission, and I do not expect that I will as long as I continue to maintain it.

@floydndaisy

2 жыл бұрын

It just amazes me how all Amsoil products are always superior to the competition in every way! Wow. What a company. Maybe I should become a rep too!

@proudamerican5518

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a rep, just a believer in great products. Amsoil, Levi’s, Hornady and Stihl are about the only manufacturers of any products that have impressed me to the point that I will use nothing else if I have the option. And any reputable brand of ethanol free gasoline…another no compromise product for my small or seasonal engines. Just my preferences, I know there are many other quality products on the market as well.

Subaru is the same way. No maintenance necessary just means that it will make it past warranty. Then it's your problem. SO: upgrade to a newer pan with drain and swap out the pan/ filter if/when you can. ZF's right and if anything, assume that the MOPAR licensed version is not built to the same level of precision as the factory ZF ones, so spend a few extra dollars on a couple of 60% at a time (most you can drain per change) fluid swap. Cheaper than a new tranny.

I and a co worker both have 2014’s and we’re both told the exact same thing and I was quoted $1300 to do the job. Idk what to do and I’m at 105k

Another great explanation for a question I had on my truck!

I’ve heard a mix bag of feelings. From 60k to 120k miles for fluid changes then don’t touch the fluid… well with how spendy life has gotten I’m not gonna change it and if it’s acting up I’ll just trade in the truck. Sorry but $1,700 to $2,700 for a transmission flush is just strictly out of line pricing.

I wonder if all the manufacturers that use this trans all use the same fluid just with their own branding, or if the fluid is slightly different between brands. I the ZF 8 speed in my 2022 BMW 330i, and I plan on changing the fluid and filter somewhere the neighborhood of 50-75k miles.

What about just changing the oil that is sitting in the trans when it is cold. Not a complete change just to refresh the fluid? Drain what you can and replace.This procedure is simple.

so what was the end result of this? our 2017 1500 has 100k(kilometers) and a third of that is towing 7000lbs at highway speeds. should i be concerned? did you change yours? maybe i'll get you to change ours when we're in fredericton in august!

Told me the same when I took mine (2016) in to get serviced. Dodge says no I’m buying a Chevy next time. Last Dodge I had done every 60,000 never a problem. Have 60 ,000 right now and the just absolutely wouldn’t do it at Dodge

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

It's just wild to me that they won't service it at dodge. I know the service is a pain in the ass to do but if customers are asking you would think they would do it.

@jasonfalk7696

2 жыл бұрын

So.....you have no problems with your trans, but you're going to buy a Chevy next time because of it? You might want to do a Google search on trans issues with GM trucks.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonfalk7696 whoa.. 4L60 was the best

@jasonfalk7696

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures GM is having a lot of issues with their 8 speed. I'm not sure I can go forever on the same trans fluid either in my Ram either.

If you have over 60-70k miles, dont even bother changing the fluid. It’s to late. The chances of damaging become greater. And the zfs are extremely temperamental when putting new fluid in. And never ever drain and replace with the amount that came out

Is it possible to swap this 8 speed into a 2011 ram 1500

At 100.000 it might start slipping if you change it...usually you change fluid at about 50.000 miles .the transmission pan has the filter built in so you change the pan out when you change the fluid..it's not complicated you tube has many examples..good luck..Mopar or no car👍👍👍👍👍

Oh, the other fact that I wanted to tell you is the dealership has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the vehicle so when you read your owners manual, that is what you go by. It's best practice to go by. What a sales representative tells you that selling a vehicle because their job is to sell it at any cost and if that means telling you lifetime in regards to changing the transmission oil in order to keep food and clothes on their kids and move over their head, they will tell you anything to sell vehicles because that's their job. The manufacturer of the vehicle makes the vehicles and their owners manual set out guidelines to be followed not only to keep within the warranty guidelines, but to enable that engine just to get to the out of warranty by maintaining the vehicle using the minimum standard requirements. Therefore the customer has a vehicle that lasted warranty and the manufacturer had a vehicle that lasted till out of warranty. It's a win-win, but your video is correct the owners manual when reading it almost all of us fall under the severe driving category. Meaning we're not going straight flat driving down a highway every day all day only, so the intervals actually change dramatically depending on the type of driving each person does so there's no real exact standard because some vehicles are fleet vehicles now they fall whole other category because they have high idol times and the engines never get an opportunity to clean themselves out. Thank for the great video and for an answer for me 100,000 miles change the fluid but it can't be done all at once unless it's flushed out properly so I'll wait a bit and do it again to get most of it out. If you're not already aware, and if you are, I apologize but transmission fluid is really just a certain grade of oil with red food colouring in order for us to differentiate between leaks. I don't need our vehicle. Historically green underneath the vehicle he coolant. Red would be transmission. Black if the oil is old would be engine oil. Clear or clean oil is typically power steering fluid. Water underneath the vehicle after the air-conditioning was running, is just the condenser cooling off in the summer heat leaving a pool of water is normal while idling. Blue used to always be washer fluid but now there's 17 different colours of washer fluid depending on the season. Rear differential is orange ish in colour with a distinct smell as you're aware like the 75W 90. You've used dozens of times to fill up a rear axle of a truck or 80w90 if it's a vehicle with factory oil still in it. Nonetheless, I enjoy the videos. Keep it up.

Amsoil signature series fluids and a new pan/filter every 40-50k

For what it's worth! I was told the same. Had a good friend who had some insight. He told me if I use it, tow with it, to change it every 80 thousand. Pan and filter is one piece. Not cheap, I paid 300 for the pan filter. Hope this helps!

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

awesome! Thank you for the insight, It's looking like most folks do service the this transmission despite the dealer telling them not too lol

@cornelius6304

2 жыл бұрын

Change it every 35k not 80k way too long there’s no such thing as oil of any type that resists heat and breakdown over 50k miles, it just doesn’t exist. They will last until after warranty and break.

@wayneperry6954

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornelius6304 no substitute for clean fluids. I completely agree.👍

@marioandultrachap

2 жыл бұрын

300 for a freaking filter? What's it do? Clean pollution?

@Oouther1

Жыл бұрын

@@marioandultrachap Amazon has them for about $40.

Definitely don't go to the dealer. Because I went and They changed it but the idiot That changed my fluid did not follow manufacture recommendation. And my transmission was short for quart and a 1/2 of oil. Because he didn't go through all steps, Now transmission is shifting hard and jerking. But of course, it's not their fault..

They make a filter pan kit 👍 Amsoil all the way! .. Changing all my fluids early just to get their products into my vehicle ASAP .. This is my 1st and last new Truck , I hope to keep it around a bit

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

amsoil makes trans fluid for this transmission?? if so I'll be running it. heard nothing but good things about amsoil

@crushingstuff777

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures Yes Sir 2 different kinds, just go to their website and punch in your vehicle.. @Amsoil when's payday? lol I don't work for them but I've always trusted their products ,started way back with my Yamaha 700 raptor when they came out in 06 👍 .. I'm one of those picky jerks, I will only use premium with no ethanol as well

I am replacing the ZF 8 speed transmission in my '14 Ram now for the SECOND time. It has 302K miles. The first one went bad at 190K miles. The second one was used with 75K on it, so if you add it up both transmissions have lasted about 190K miles. I guess that's a "lifetime" according to the manufacturer. My advice is to follow ZF's instructions and replace the pan with the built in filter and the fluid at their recommended intervals.

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your transmissions lasted the amount of time they were built for. Can't have these trucks last too long. Then nobody would buy new ones.

@cornelius6304

2 жыл бұрын

The first transmission would still be going if you had regular fluid filter changes

@marioandultrachap

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornelius6304 even still though I'm a little surprised they're only lasting 70kish miles. Theres people who never change their fluid last a lot long than that. Even my car it doesn't call for a fluid change til 60k. Either there's really sensitive af parts in thing or it's a not all what I thought it was as a transmission

@scottwilkins

11 ай бұрын

If you never changed the fluid, or over worked it I could see this. There are truck owners tow way over what their trucks are rated for. That will kill a transmission very quickly in any truck. You can say what you want, but there is now way you can prove it.

I’ve changed my transmission fluid at 50000 miles very easily done at the craft shop on Pope army airfield .

What happens when you take it to the dealership and tell them to service the transmission and they tell you they don’t service an eight speed transmission I’m going on 78 and I’m not getting under a truck for no reason

I was told if my dealer did it would be $800. The pan is part of the filter and has to be replaced.

The 6 speed you change The 8 no The fluid will exceed the life of the vehicle

there is a video from ZF at a convention explaining in german that car manufactures are lying.. the fluid should be changed every 50,000 miles ..

When I went to the Georgetown dealership, they said they would do 8speed trans service but it was like $1500 and said it was good for the life of the vehicle as well. I have a 6 speed that I bought with 227000kms, I’m looking at getting it done as well, but when I asked them about it they said if it’s not giving you problems don’t bother. I’m like you tho, like to take care of my equipment would rather get it done before we have a problem. Did you end up getting yours changed ?.

Help me with this question, I'm just getting a 2018 ram 1500 V8 hemi with 148k miles and there's no record on carfax of transmission fluid ever being changed, that being said i want it to last as long as possible, will it hurt to change the fluid possibly for the first time at 148k miles? And how to do it right by drain & refill or flush it all out ?

here is the thing my old camry 350k orig fluid my buddy ford van lexus and his camry all 250k orig fluid all cars northeast city highway driving 15 years plus. I hear too many stories people who change their transmissions and they have problems I dont trust people doing the job no dip stick it has to operate certain temp.etc I'll go with my past experience leave it a lone chances are you will rust before trans fails. I say if you tow change it often otherwise leave it a lone

They want to sell you an expensive rebuild when it dynamites outside your warranty coverage.

My 2014 1500 Laramie is equipped with a Dipstick.

Changed my Chrysler 300 at 95k….could still see through the fluid….

The zf 8 speed jaguar transmission get serviced every 50000 miles or 9 year service

My dealer told me that they do not service either. If you have an issue like mine at 120000 miles it has developed a shutter after it shifts then they suggested to me to replace it all at a cost of 8000. Transmission and labor. 11/1/22 At 8000 I will continue to drive it until it quits as there is no slippage at all. I have had a transmission fluid rejuvenation at prolube which did not fix the shutter.

@jayplaysgames-1996

Жыл бұрын

any update on what happened with your transmission?

Good info 👍. Agree with you. Unreal doesn't make sense at all

@TheGettyAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

ya it's a little fishy

Audi told me the exact same thing for a 3.0T Supercharged V6. I called dealerships in my state and the next state and that’s the standard. Audi’s gone to a regular service interval since that C8 model. Keep digging. They probably plan on a new Transmission every 200km or so.

I live in Calgary Alberta they said the same about my AWD challenger... 😆. Im taking it to a transmission shop to get a fluid change. Going with Amsoil

I plan to change mine @ 30k miles throughout my 2021 warlocks lifespan. See if it makes a difference.

2019 transmission went out due to no fluid change at 163,000 miles. 2090 for a new plus labor. Please change the fluid!!!

@Brsrafal

8 ай бұрын

how do u know its because no fluid change you just assume its the reason why

I'm a retired U.S. Army wheel and track mechanic. I have seen a lot of, WTF engineering. Yes engineers should have to be certifide mechanics before they can receive the title of engineer. They should not be allowed to be yes men either. Now! I always had to drain 😢the torque converter for a transmission service. Yes we want all the old fluid out. That''s about a 7 thousand dollar transmission and the dealer or shop will be writing a big ticket for that job. Use your better judgement on this one.

we've had our ZF 8 speed for 308K Kilometres, nothing wrong it, we've only had to flush the transmission