Railroad Signals, part 2: 1 and 2 head systems - reading and meanings
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This is part 2 in the series of how to read North American Railroad Signals.
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Very instructional videos you presented in Parts 1 & 2, Thank you, feel like I'm learning a bit more of what controls the trains movements.
Great video!! Very well explained, look forward to part 3!!
Thank you oh so much for clearing that up. Will be getting to automating my signals, and I did not understand the difference between the staggered and straight heads. Wonderful video's very helpful.
Thanks so much for posting these. Please post part 3 soon!
Hey Ian, I recommend watching "How To Read Signals On The CSX Part 5 - ABS Signals" This will explain the P plate and also the G plate. The P plate is a Permissive Signal and the G plate is a Grade Signal.
Really like these videos, thank for making them
as a former signalman on the Milwaukee Road, (1970's) I see some changes have been in order. For us the lower signal indicated the siding and sometimes there was a dwarf signal on the outbound of some yards. The signal without a plate was an absolute signal. For us the indications were two reds and two yellows out in front of a train and a red and yellow trailing.
Can't wait for part 3. It's stuff I know but railroad stuff. I love it.
Can't wait for part 3! Any idea when we can expect it?
Great job. Thanks for sharing.
In UK and England there is a 5 light system showing 5 items standard yellow red green plus two flashing orange or yellow meaning slow down at next signal will be against you 5th signal can indicate speed restrictions or point selected direction
Thank you so much for not using heavy metal or rap music. Really.
Love the video(s), would be nice to put this to practice to see if I can remember them
One final question - I came back from a railfanning vacation in Field, BC, and as I was head home to Leduc, AB, I took a different route home that would guide us along the tracks and I saw an automatic double headed signal with an “R” Plate AND an “M” plate... What would the M plate stand for, do you know?
+ianjuby *Recently, I observed a new way signal code* not far removed from that explained this vid on the Bay Area (CA, USA) Rapid Transit District's third-rail broadgauge extensions: Steady green is proceed at track speed; flashing green, proceed at reduced speed to take a switch; steady amber, prepare to stop from track speed; flashing amber, prepare to stop from reduced speed for taking switch; steady red, halt. These are on new three-head LED stands and also usable on the legacy Fresnel-lensed color-selects. (Most of the system still uses dwarf signals at the switches, which only indicate the switch position and are not tied to the CTC computers in Oakland - BART needs to install proper way signals system-wide.)
when will you be posting part 3?
good video
Tje "A" plate is the one instance I've found that is NOT a failsafe. If the the "A" plate gets covered with snow or goes missing, the signal reverts to a LESS safe comdition.
Another fantastic video! Question: are three head signals ever staggered? If so, what would it look like? If not, why not?
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
doanster No, because the three head signals are ALWAYS controlled signals - they are directly controlled by RTC.
@tbfilms3427
8 жыл бұрын
+Cycling in Edmonton from the Eyes of a Teen The staggered signals are useless with CTC signals. THis is because the CTC signals are controlled by the dispatcher and are absolute. If they wanted to display restricting (pretty close to what happens with the Stop and Proceed of staggered heads), the dispatcher just lines the signal. There is a reason absolute signals are absolute, such as when a switch or diamond is involved (anywhere where you could derail a train). Also some signals are absolute that way a train can be "forced" to wait somewhere by a dispatcher, such as in a siding to wait for another train.
What is the backing track? I don’t know why but it’s addictive. :)
Learning! Career Change!
Interestingly, most southern USA railroads don't have a stop and proceed indication. The only have restricting, meaning that a red automatic signal displays restricting
that makes sense that a signal on single track would be a restricting or stop and proceed signal.
Excellent series as I mentioned before! Just a question on the fail safes when it comes to the modifying plates. You mention the single head masts and the R plates etc. But what happens if an A plate falls off or is covered in the snow or stolen or whatever? The signal would go from an absolute stop to a stop and proceed. Wouldn't this be an issue as its no longer as restricting? Just wondering
@ianjuby
8 жыл бұрын
+VancouverComposer Agreed. Someone pointed that out before. Technically, the operators are supposed to be "familiar with the territory." That's actually in the rules. So technically they would know to stop anyway, and when the A plate was gone, they would call it in. But of course, the railroads will often call you to go on territory you haven't been familiarized with all the time! So....
@GEES44DC
8 жыл бұрын
+VancouverComposer The amount of A plates still in use in Canada that would fall under this circumstance are very few.
@jovetj
7 жыл бұрын
_"The signal would go from an absolute stop to a stop and proceed. Wouldn't this be an issue as its no longer as restricting?"_ Yes, that is a wrong-side failure. It is the only wrong-side failure in the CROR system that I can think of. However, such a failure would be very rare. And an alert and qualified train crew would know whether the signal is supposed to be absolute or permissive. But because of this, single-head absolute signals are not common.
Here in Winnipeg, I've seen 2 headed signals where the lights going down the track are (Yellow, Yellow), then (Yellow, Red), then (Red, Red). I guess that (Yellow, Yellow) would be Advanced Clear to stop, but I don't know. I don't know if you're going to talk about this later, but I've also seen (Yellow, Green) signals. Anyways, great video, can't wait for part 3!
@davidallen6333
10 жыл бұрын
Nice information to know !
@victoraguilarl3605
10 жыл бұрын
I nice information to know
@TheCandoRailfan
10 жыл бұрын
Victor Aguilarl dave allen Here are pictures of the lights I mentioned above: (Yellow, Yellow) oi60.tinypic.com/2nbeufr.jpg (Yellow, Green) oi57.tinypic.com/21j6gqh.jpg
@davidallen6333
10 жыл бұрын
taylorover9001 Thanks for the info on the signals !
@victoraguilarl3605
10 жыл бұрын
thank you
Ireland is only 3 traffic light lineside or gantry above the rails depending on number of rails or trackside with two small round lights with 3 functions red green or flashing white indicating that points are not set for your route flashing double white is your track is set for you must proceed at no more than 10 mph
How is part 3 or Railroad Signals coming along ? Brian
Hm... So what if the absolute sign falls off or is covered in snow, hm? How's your fail safe now?
I thought it was Reading Railroad, pronounced "Redding" was a railroad in PA...haha good video btw
Hi, when will part 3 be up
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
epicminecrafter1245 Right now. :)
Great instructional vid! You could have layed back a little bit on the music....:-)
So how do you get into railroading with misdemeanors?
Okay, what about if the single-headed signal is supposed to have an Ⓐ below it, but the Ⓐ falls off or gets covered in snow?
@mikeregier6376
5 жыл бұрын
The A is for absolute signal.. if the signal post does not have a number sign under the light, it is the same as having an "A". So A or no A, unless it has a number tag it is still and Absolute signal.
@mikeregier6376
5 жыл бұрын
But, I guess in all actuality... It really ultimately depends on the carrier and if it's passenger or freight... You would think all the signals would be universal.. but sadly they are not.
Ian: Will you be at the Great Edmonton Train Show September 20-21st at Millenium Place? If so, please come meet me at the LaBaJa layout if you do and see our working CTC system.
@wazooloo
9 жыл бұрын
Wow that sounds cool! I don't know if I can be there or not - welcome to the railroad; don't know where or when I'll be working!
Signals passed at danger all trains are fitted with advanced train protection which apply emergency brakes if you pass through a signal at red advanced train warning button in driving cab pressed when you stop at station advanced bell warning for next signal so you know what next signal is
So instead of a R, L, DV, and A plate. What does the P plate mean?
@ianjuby
6 жыл бұрын
On signals? That's not in the CROR, so that must be an American thing.
@ianhoffman19
6 жыл бұрын
It is an American plate
Is part 3 - 4 coming soon?
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
Sorry - been run ragged here. Will try and see if I can hack at it here. I've got a mess of other videos I haven't been able to get to either. :)
@ctempleton3
9 жыл бұрын
I hope to see the next video soon.
I saw a weird configuration....it was a three head signal and the top was steady yellow, middle was flashing green and the bottom was a stead red......what does that signal mean?
@briankeay5263
10 жыл бұрын
It means 'clear to limited'. Indication: pass this signal at track speed preparing to pass the next signal at limited speed (equal or less than 45 mph).
@ianjuby
10 жыл бұрын
Good eye - Brian's right, it's "Clear to limited" which I'll explain in both parts 3 & 4 of this series.
Great videos and information,next vid please get rid of the music,it is too loud.
does the conductor have a responsibility to read the signals with the engineer.
@CPWindsorsub
8 жыл бұрын
+John Richards Yes both crew members must know what the signal is and what it means. I guess you could argue that the engineer needs to know more but both crew members need to know what it means.
What if I encounter a two headed signal and the track speed limit is 30 mph?
@TriStateRailfan
8 жыл бұрын
That depends what is the current limit And what is the miles till the next mile marker And the distance until the next speed marker
@TheCandoRailfan
8 жыл бұрын
Clear signal would be 30 MPH, Diverging would be 25 MPH Slow and Restricting would be 15 MPH. It's all the same. You can have full mast signals when the track speed is 15 MPH.
Yes spads happen
sorry but i cant hear you above the noise
Part 3? :(
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
GibsonDigital Uploading it right now!
dude I appreciate your effort but you have a few things backwards a signal without a number or letter plate on it is an absolute signal if you go by it you will get a vacation for at least 30 days a red signal with a number or letter plate is a restricted proceed
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
Delilah Hensley Not according to the Canadian Rail Operating Rules, which as I mentioned is the system I was explaining.
@acsoosub
9 жыл бұрын
True in American rulebooks, but not in Canadian rules. The presence or absence of a number plate has no meaning other than identification in Canadian rules.
@delilahhensley593
9 жыл бұрын
they really need to get together and come up with some uniform rules
@szymongorczynski7621
8 жыл бұрын
+Cycling in Edmonton from the Eyes of a Teen Well, whatever country the train is in, obviously, eg for an NIR train to cross into southern Ireland it has to be fitted with CAWS, not just AWS, and has to follow IÉ signaling
@GEES44DC
8 жыл бұрын
+Delilah Hensley Uniform rules? Every railroad in Canada uses the exact same rules. It is the USA that needs the uniform rules.
Automatic signals Stop, Toot the horn twice not to proceed 15 MPH , NORAC Rules
@GEES44DC
10 жыл бұрын
We're talking Canada here. NORAC doesn't apply.
20 thousand for each head?? Are they made to survive a freight train crashing into them or what?
@tbfilms3427
8 жыл бұрын
+EduEnYT They are just really expensive... The old ones have a lot of moving parts in them and a complicated mechanism. The newer signals are FAR cheaper, but still in the thousands.
If my math is correct, 100 miles of signal cost 6 MILLION dollars... Sheesh..
I hope on part 3 the music is not so LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is no such thing as a clear to stop a yellow signal is just that proceed, prepared to stop at the next signal.trains exceeding medium speed must immediately begin reduction to medium speed as soon as the engine passes the approach signal.
@ianjuby
9 жыл бұрын
Delilah Hensley Clear to stop is the name of the signal - we have to repeat the name verbatim to pass the CROR test, and we have to get 100%. I think you're thinking US rules.
@delilahhensley593
9 жыл бұрын
ok sounds better probably should mention that in video sounds like a big difference in u.s. and canada
@delilahhensley593
9 жыл бұрын
in u.s. its just that green over red clear signal you don't mention the red
@delilahhensley593
9 жыл бұрын
what would a clear to stop even mean that as im going down the road its ok for me to go from track speed to stop anywhere in the block I want too
@delilahhensley593
9 жыл бұрын
yes we also have to pass the signal exam in conductor training and engineer training word for word period for period one chance or your done
Get rid of the intrusive music.
I had a hard time following this video. Again with the background music. Christ man what made you think that was a good idea?
WTF is a foamer?!