So you walked home with a Saturn, Virtua Fighter, Daytona, and Panzer Dragoon. Longevity aside, that was probably a pretty amazing haul.

Silpheed: "Hey men take them from the rear" "YEEHAW!!! I GOT A BIG ONE!" LMAO!

am I the only one that actually LOVES the old polygon blocky graphics? I love how they look and always have, I love how they were able to make things look awesome with such hardware limitations.

@badboy0510

8 жыл бұрын

absolutely agree

10:57 "Hey men, take them from the rear" "Yeeehaaa I got a big one!!!" such a romantic dialog

I'm surprised that Space Harrier isn't on here. After Panzer Dragoon, that's what pops into my head first.

I remember playing a rail shooter in the PS1 of my friend called "Elemental Gearbolt" that game was very hard, but very fun at the same time (especially with 2 players) I don't know if the game is well known, the one thing I remember a lot is the intro cutscene with anime style video. It was really awesome!

@SDinVeRT

9 жыл бұрын

Funny, i remembered exactly that rail shooter while watching this episode. We were playing in it alot, using mouse+light gun, but i don't remember any cutscene. Maybe we just pushed the button and skipped it all.

Orta is my favorite rail shooter. I also like really like the Afterburner series. The arcade version of AB2 with the seat that would move as you play was the coolest thing ever when I was young. I'm a bit surprised that Space Harrier and Child of Eden didn't get mentioned. Also, the classic Yar's Revenge was recently remade into a rail shooter.

@jacobynoctis4825

6 жыл бұрын

Child of Eden is a masterpiece. I love that game

Never understood the what's all the fuss about Starfox. This game always seemed to me like a Snes attempt of a legless frog to outswim a barracuda. Now, Silpheed, on the other hand, now that was a true audiovisual tour-de-force in space. Absolutely spectacular. And it still haven't lost any of its power and appeal!

Sin and Punishment on the Wii is one of the best rail shooters I’ve ever played. Very happy that you guys talked about it in the end 👍🏽

Another great episode guys! And Joe, I think it's awesome that you still have your receipt for your Sega Saturn!!!

10:58 "Hey man take them from the rear." "Yeeeehwaaah I got a big one." Best part of the video.

In case you didn't notice, Sin and Punishment was made by Nintendo. So that's why it wasn't released on any other system.

@julianobitsgen

7 жыл бұрын

It was co-developed by Nintendo and Treasure. But it sure does feel more like a Treasure game, if you ask me.

Duuuuude please do a video on this Dr 64 gimmick.

I appreciate how you both say when you like a good game no matter nintendo or sega

@Nanofuture87

9 жыл бұрын

Prophis I'm pretty sure the fanboy thing they do sometimes is just an act. When you look at their collection tour video, they each have both (Dave is even working on a complete in box Genesis collection).

@GatorM Those are light gun games. We've covered 8 and 16-bit light gun games already and we'll probably cover other light gun games some other time.

Amazing to see this video in 2021... Awesome channel!

KZread's most legendary sack

Excellent episode. You guys really deserve more subs than you have now.

"DAMN IT SLIPPY, THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M GONNA TELL YOU. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE FROG'S LEGS WHEN I WAS EATING THEM!"

Man i love hearing the stort of how dave got his saturn i wish you guys can put more stories of you getting your consoles like in the cdo epsiode

I love how clunky and awkward these old videos are! The synergy and scripts that is.

Panzer Dragoon Orta was the first game I got for the XBOX (I was late to the XBOX party) since I LOVED the first two. Definitely enjoyed it!

@sirsinnes Where did you get this information? The amount of disc access is constant no matter what is happening onscreen, consistent with other FMV games and the music is mostly done by the Genesis, save for a few PCM instruments, so it's not streaming that.

How did you have $550.00 cash on you as a high schooler? I was just finishing up 10th grade on 5-11-95. Anyway, nice pick up, and amazed that you still have your receipt!

@nohomers100

3 жыл бұрын

I think he was more like 25 in 1995

I'm SO GLAD you guys talked about Rez, I'm glad you talked about Panzer Dragoon but that's a way more popular franchise, but Rez is a very underrated Gem.

I would recommend Elemental Gearbolt ont the PS1. A regular rail shooter with a fantastic soundtrack (and anime cutscenes).

I really liked this episode.

Star Fox graphics being "nothing the 32x couldn't wipe the floor with"... Mmm.. Yes... Being as the 32x was a full blown 32-bit add-on module for the Genesis instead of a single 16-bit co-processor added to a cartridge, released almost TWO YEARS later at a time when technology was evolving rapidly and seeing marked improvements in graphics technology literally every year.. What a GENIUS comparison you made there, absolutely brilliant...... Compare it to it's actual contemporaries, or don't bother.. That's like comparing a Sega CD to a Playstation..

@Prizrak-hv6qk

5 жыл бұрын

Some demo guys got a Star Fox level running on a Genesis now. It runs at about the same frame rate on a plain jaine Genesis without any extra chips. Sega could've done games like that, but probably rightly figured that putting their name on a 3D game that runs at under 10 fps was a bad idea. Of course, their SVP game, Virtua Racing, pushes about 9 times as many polygons and runs twice as fast.

Super video guy's really enjoyed this ;)

It's the third Star Fox game! the second one is available even though it was never oficially released. You said so yourself!

Rez seems to be a great game for the PS2, thank you for the introduction! It´s still pretty expensive, but if it gets a bit cheaper, I think about buying it.

It's kinda funny (and rather desperate of Joe) to compare the polygons of the SNES to the 32X considering one is 16-bit and the other is 32-bit (supposedly).

@SirStoneyOfBow

8 жыл бұрын

+John DiLoreto On a technical aspect, perhaps. On a critical and commercial level it failed miserably. Seeing as the 32x lasted a meager amount of time and the SNES SFX games were critically praised I think 'trump' is an inaccurate word to use. The games on the 32x were forgettable, much like the console itself.

Awesome episode. :-)

I noticed the Sol Feace music in the background. Props to that!

I loved the intro for Silpheed on the Sega CD.

lol@the panzer Dragoon FMV, amazing.

oh man panzer dragoon... one of the best series I've ever played

-shrug- I can live with that dubious distinction. Your vids are great by the way :)

Sin and punishment was such a great freaking game. well worth the 12 bucks on the Virtual console. One of my favorite games ever. (GET BONUS)

I would say that Sin and Punishment 2 is the definitive rail shooter. Its controls are much better than anything before it and feels like a perfect arcade game.

Great episode, was just hoping you guys would do one on rail shooters! Never played Sin and Punishment, looks like a pretty cool game.

Doctor V64...what a pimp device. I wish i had one back in the day. Its crazy its SO EASY to "backup" games now compared to the days of Backup Loaders like the Professor SF, Super Wild Card, Mr. Backup Z64, and getting games though BBS and some websites.

That saturn is beautiful!

No Astro Trooper Vanark? That's a great shooter for the original Playstation that not enough people know about. The Resident Evil-style bits between levels didn't end up working too well but they were pretty brief and the actual rail shooting bits were great.

RAIL SHOOTERTS! Hell yeah. :D

Great work Sir thank you

@WskOsc I don't think we've even heard of that one. Maybe next time! :)

Great ep, as always. Rez HD is also on Qubed, a Q Entertainment compilation disc that also has Lumines LIVE! and Every Extend Extra Extreme Also, that Doctor V64 thing looked mighty awesome.

Silpheed does in fact render FMVs for the background. What it does do in real time 3D are the player and enemy ships.

Make a sequel to this video, with rail shooters released after you and Dave made this, Joe😉

It's known as "following a predetermined path within the game, and not being allowed to leave that path at all." Hence the term, "rail" shooter. It's like a train, you cannot leave the train tracks. Oh, and Area 51 is a "rail" shooter as well, since you shoot the bad guys, move to the next area, shoot more bad guys, move on, etc.

whats the song playing in the background when you input the starfox cartridge in the SNES?

I love me some time crisis 2 n' starfox 64. Im not a big rail shooter fan but a good game can be of any genre

really good games and great videos and what do you think of first person rail shooters like house of the dead

got the idea while i was playing f zero on super famicom and was thinking how amazing it would have been to pick up the system at launch and play that game as i am a few years to young to know and didnt get into gaming till the mid/late 16 bit era :)

How much did your CD burner and Doctor V64 cost in 1997 (or whenever you bought them)?

@GameSack

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Inman Wow I don't remember. My friend Bill had the CD burner, I just have the V64. I'm sure it was at least $150.

@MarkInman

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Joe! I wondered since they were pretty new/rare for the time.

@trailersic

5 жыл бұрын

@@GameSack that's about 1 and 1/2 N64 games, Wish I had one of them back in the day, dunno where I would have got the roms though.

You see, we consider those light gun shooters.

Very surprised you didn't at least mention After Burner, Galaxy Force, and Space Harrier.

I think of Sin & Punishment as more of a shooting gallery than a rail shooter, but if you count Silpheed as a rail shooter rather than a regular shooter, then I guess the line is blurred all around.

I still love my 3DO! You guys need to buy one for the show.

Knife's Edge for N64 was a great rails shooter imo

@bertoray I think that's more of a side scrolling shooter. It kind of has a rail shooter feel but ultimately a side scroller.

Thanks. We only mention it when it is worth nothing. Most games age like you'd expect them to... i.e they look like you'd expect a game from that particular generation to look (at least in my case). Some games age well and still look amazing today despite their age. Others, like most games from the 32-bit era, don't look so hot now. That might go without saying like saying the Atari 2600 hasn't aged well goes without saying, I suppose.

I agree, but it's a specific subgenre/maybe different genre called the light-gun shooter, since you don't have a reticle or an ingame weapon, but aim a light gun at the enemy.

The N64 had some great tunes... :( *sniff*

You could check out G-Vector for the Saturn, another rail shooter.. dunno if its good or not though

Hi,please does Starfox 64 being a simply shooter game or is a rail shooter one that limit the player to moving around the screen while the game follows a specific route? or does the game let you choice where to go? Thanks very much

@stephenbianchi7141

8 жыл бұрын

it chooses where you go which defines a rail shooter. occasionally there will be branching paths.

@blop1738

8 жыл бұрын

+Stephen Bianchi thanx

I gotta say while a lot of these are good rail shooters it's such a basic selection. I raise to you Galactic Storm, Soulstar, Galaxy Force II, Space Harrier, and Aqua Jack

@SoukerWorldGaming That makes sense. I guess it just doesn't seem like something Nintendo would come up with. The title of the game even has two things that makes Nintendo afraid. It's just not warm and happy enough so I guess that's why we didn't think of that. :)

The original Sin & Punishment was co-developed (and published) by Nintendo, so they likely own some of the rights to the IP. The sequel was also published by Nintendo, so it's no wonder that it's Wii exclusive.

Sin & Punishment Star Successor only released for the Wii because the original Sin & Punishment was co-developed between Nintendo and Treasure, making the series a Nintendo property. It's also the reason why the first game's protagonist was easily added to Smash Bros. Brawl, though just as an Assist Trophy.

@zduar They are rail shooters but under the category of light gun shooter. We will get to more modern light gun shooters soon.

The Sin and Punishment series is easily among the best games for the N64 and Wii. Their only "fault" is how they make every other rail shooter hard to enjoy. I used to love Panzer Dragoon but now, after playing S&P, it just feels clunky :T

You're thinking about light gun shooters. You cannot move around freely in any of these games. Nudging a little or looking around doesn't count.

@Heroelime Thanks for watching! MW3 doesn't count as you can go all over the level or map. You aren't completely bound to a path there is some wiggle room in there.

So far, yup.

The reason Sin & Punishment: Start Successor was only released on the Wii is because Nintendo owns the rights to the series. Saki (the main character in the first game) even appeared in Super Smash Bros. Brawl as an assist trophy. It's basically the same reason why Zelda: Skyward Sword isn't on PS3 with Move.

Silpheed on Sega CD isn't really streaming raw graphics most of the time. What it's streaming is essentially pre-processed vectors for each frame. The Sega CD isn't doing any 3D processing, but it is doing 3D rendering.

Thats crazy, you still have that receipt

You forgot Novastorm. Loved that game back in the day

@squirm13 I remember that. The SNES pushing polygons!!! Impossible!!

the squad chatter in starfox 64 was anoying but never bugged me as much as it did for the people who watched me play it

@clays121 Thanks!!! We appreciate you watching.

games for a next episode: Space Debris, Edge of Skyhigh,Vanark, gamera 2000,G vector and Hard Boiled for example :)

Great episode guys. How about a show on SRPGs?

Huh, I had never thought of these as rail shooters. I've always used the term for games that resemble first person shooters but went on a fixed track. Games like House of the Dead, Time Crisis, or even Operation Wolf.

@Obakedake Sin and Punishment is great. Get it if you can. It's on the Virtual Console!!

@desflat It's a pretty diverse genre. But as for the games you mentioned I generally think of them as light gun shooters first, though they could also be called rail shooters.

You should cover Atlantia: Legend of Blue Star on PC-88 some time, it has a very unique art style

8:42 that reminds me more of a film called Lawnmower man then Tron

Gamera 2000 should be in this list .

Rail Shooter on console (like Medal Of Honor: Heroes), 2 gun-controller, each hand a gun... That's pretty fun

that's a wicked cool 64dd toy u has there. not that i know anything about roms or anything.

You guys forgot "Star Wars Rebel Assault" and "Rebel Assault II." Those games were great rail shooters and plenty of fun. Another rail shooter deserving mention is the oft overlooked shooter on PS1 known as Elemental Gearbolt. That game is hard, but satisfying. It has RPG elements and you can choose from 3 different weapons to use. Check them out! Oh, and another rail shooter is the House of the Dead series. The most memorable is HotD 2. Just so you know.

I think a game that would have really benefited from being a rail shooter is Halo. In the mission with the Control Room(forget the name) alone,you have hallways that have enemies that pop out and bridges with cover. It would work great as a rail shooter.

Excellent choices but I must admit I'm disappointed you guys didn't choose Omega Boost on the Playstation. It's one of the greatest rail shooters I've ever played and would have really fit in with the theme of this video. Plus is has a totally awesome intro movie (which is easily watchable on youtube!) Keep the good videos coming guys!

I was under the impression rail shooters are games like Starblade, Leathal Enforcers, Area 51, Mad Dog Mcree and so on. Basically where you have a fixed perspective/camera where the player cannot control the direction or movement, only the aim of the character. The backgrounds play in an 'FMV style' while the player shoots enemies that appear, and the player is most often not visible (POV). I think of games like starfox and panzer dragoon as 3D shooters, but that could just be my weirdness lol

You guys forgot a good one Omega Boost in ps1 check this out

Wasnt sin and punishment avialable for the 3ds as well?

@lonewolf3314

10 жыл бұрын

Oh yes the wii but there was entirely new game too.

no solor assault? since it is an rare arcade....not everyone know it is one of gradius series....