I don’t know why every second comment is where is robin, James did a great explanation of setting out a roof and he may not be robin but a genius in his own right. The guy can do pretty much every part of the building trade to a high standard and we still get to watch robin on his own channel.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

It is a natural but regrettable trait of human beings that they love to stir up conflict and make something such as a simple carpentry video into some kind of competition. The roofing square was around before any of us were born so nobody owns this information. The important thing is to pass it on. Thank you for your support.

James is becoming the new Robin! Cheers guys

@baseddept.

3 жыл бұрын

Good

@RJR10101

3 жыл бұрын

Better than Robin

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

It is just about getting information over as clearly as possible.

@manow4011

3 жыл бұрын

Where is Robin?

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

@@manow4011 He went off to do his own channel and make some money

Great video Roger/James only complaint is there was no “where’s James” 👍

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Different James, surely you spotted that

This subject is just about the only thing I’ve never been involved with hands on over the past 49 years of being an all round builder/roofer. The way it’s worked out amazes me especially hipped roofs. I must get one under my belt while I still have time! The best explanation I’ve seen so far on KZread. Too many people go over this so quickly you miss vital pointers. Looking forward to the next roofing video.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Derek. We have a lot more to come.

He's not just another builder. He's a great teacher as well👍👍. Does he need an apprentice 😉. I'm not cheap.

@gjvdspam

3 жыл бұрын

Expensive and a lazy lad. Should be a dream 🤪 Well said

@lazylad2336

3 жыл бұрын

@@gjvdspam it's just a nick name. Bit of banter you remember what that is.

Spot on ,some people make it look hard ,I don’t know why maybe they have a product to sell

This is the clearest explanation of rafter layout on KZread! Can you make one for hips and jack rafters too?

@SkillBuilder

Жыл бұрын

We have that video coming soon

@I_luv_my_fans

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Much appreciated mate

I see now why Robin uses that handy clamp device he made to use on the farming square. Really speeds things up, especially with that rounded edge you pointed out. Good video, thank you.

@SkillBuilder

2 жыл бұрын

That fence is used by lots of old school carpenters, it is in the City and Guilds manual.

Very Good! I learnd something today!

I could watch that all day. Fascinating

Great tutorial chaps 🧐🧱👍🏽

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

You’ll be pitching roofs in no time.

James, Roger, Robin, Dan, you lads are a godsend, thankyou for all your efforts, they've helped me immensely, keep up the fantastic work

@jimichip

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mick.

Great demonstration. These videos are very helpful. Cheers

Awesome. I've been wandering for ages how the stepping off method works. Thanks.

This is the only instruction on how to do this that is worth anything! Great job.

Outstanding stuff as usual. Thanx for sharing the priceless stuff‼️👍👏

Excellent video. This is the most informative one I've watched on rafter layout. Well done

Not just a pretty face James. Thanks for sharing. #StaySafe

Quality chaps, well explained. Think the last time I was shown that I was at college in the late 80’s. 😬. Tried and tested method.. 👊🏻

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

You don't need it when you have your free ap.

@Ultimate-roofing-square.

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder oh yes. 👊🏻

@georgelfc1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimate-roofing-square. when will the app be ready for Android ? thanks

Skill builder You are the tops as far as I am concerned Your subject kept simple in explanatory terms One should not have to use a calculator All of Britains old building were erected without one By Boys serving a trade ,A string line a square and dividers

Excellent, very simple method and no calculator in sight.👍

Crystal clear. Thanks mr James

Quality video!

I've been looking all over KZread for a simplistic example, thank you so much. I would like to see the Ridge board and rafters completed just to get an overall picture, unsure if this has been done already? Thanks again.

Excellent. “Pythagoras is a genius!”

No "where's James" I blame the editing. This was a great explanation of the roofing square.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Martin We are targetting a different audience for this series so the Where's James would be out of context.

@martinroberts5577

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Hi guys thanks very much for taking time to reply to me. Hope I didn't offend, was only pulling your leg. Looking forward to the series.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinroberts5577 No offence at all but I just wanted you to know we are on the case.

That was so easy to follow thank you

You guys are geniuses ! Or rather James is!! 😁 What a great bit of advice. Cheers till next time.

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Shaun. I’m no genius, I’m just relaying information.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but you are extremely good at explaining complex things in a way that people can understand. That might not qualify you as a genius but it makes you a bloody good teacher.

Nicely explained, I’ve just realised why old robins has that timber across his roofing square 🧐

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

They teach you that trick with the fence when you first go to College and it works a treat, some carpenters use stair guages but they are easy to lose. James chose the tape because it left the numbers visible, the fence obscures the detail when you are demonstrating. These videos aren't just thrown together.

Great job this is the best video I've seen on the step off method well explained easy to understand cause I always wanted to understand step off method with inches added continue the good work stay safe 🙏

This is a version of stepping off along the hypotenuse or rafter length. Stepping off as far as I know always works across the run which is half the span. Your either a split the span and x by per metre of run.... Or step off which is across the run/ at right angles to the building using a metric square. The good thing about stepping off is you can set collar heights/pre determined purlins heck even steel work before the roof has been pitched. Great content as always. I suppose there is always more ways to skin a cat or a ferret whatever floats your boat! Stay safe all.

Simply explained so it's easy to understand 😁👍🏻

I thought that was brilliant and really well presented James I like your work I only wish you operated in Gloucestershire!

Great video guys !!!! thanks !!!

Nice to hear Robin singing in background !

Brilliant explanation James, really good with your little house sketch, maybe borrow Rogers white board next time 😅 thanks guys

Brilliant James 👍 simplified the stepping off method in 10 minutes thanks 😁😁

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@andrewplatt

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder it just made so much sense the way you explained it👍

I love that pencil for the fine markings, I believe Robin sports one as well

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

They are common among carpenters, plumbers can't afford them

Really good to see plenty of carpentry based videos on this great channel. Roofing is one of the more complex areas of the trade, and any videos that try to help explain and simplify it are awesome.👊🤩 Cheers fellas.👍

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍Nice comment

Love it. Defo a save for future use video 👍

Well done, you reached me 👍🏻. Now, I’m on to it. Thank you!

It has to be said I love this channel!! I would come and work with you chaps for free just to learn more 😊

Nice one James! 👍

Very well explained thanks

Thank you 😊. One question for you please. If the seat cut can’t go above 1/3 of the timber, replacing 4x2 rafter with 6x2 for loft conversion would increase the finished roof height by 2 inches? Is that right? Thank you 😊

Simply Genius!

Brilliant video. Imagine how many more kids at school would “get” Pythagoras if it was explained and brought to life like this?? Really enjoying the content with James.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you we have great faith in this approach.

Nice and clear, thanks

Love your explanations, don't fully understand, and probably will never need to ruin 5x timbers! But enjoy your tutorials. Love the pencil, but am far too tight to be shelling out for one of those..

I use stair gauge to maintain my marks , I use the dimensions from the rafter square and multiply by the run and mark the rafter and then step it off marking each step with my board knife for accuracy , it allow ways works out , if not there is a mistake.

I'm weak at math epically how the formula requires Trigonometry, this is a great method.

Cheers for that great information

Everything is simple when you know how 👍🏻 great explanation James

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure that applies to quantum physics or the string theory but we will give it a go

@timmargereson332

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder That depends on if your name is Sheldon 🤣

top explanation even I could understand that

Thank you!

The square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides (Pythagoras). Forget all about that and all the calcs and just use the roofing square as shown, it will give you everything, Use a thin piece of timber instead of the masking tape so that it just slides from one postion to another with ease, all the cuts and the birdsmouth can also be taken from the same setting. If you include the ridge you will know where to cut it later. Great video5 stars

Finally an explanation which I can follow. Very nice.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

fantastic !!

very good video ...bravo!

how brilliant, thanks thats clear

Using CAD software is a good way of finding the correct dimensions for the rafters.

People power! The video we've been asking for

@stephenwatson1873

3 жыл бұрын

See the Mark Swanick video

Nice little demonstration, one point though is the depth of the birdsmouth should be worked out as a third of the depth of plumb cut (the backing line) not measured square across the depth of the timber.

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

Very true but my brain was hurting and I didn’t want to explain anymore stuff😂

@RobNorman08

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimichip I guessed it was just a slip up that a man of your caliber wouldn't normally make! keep up the great work!

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob You see it both ways and, though the text books talk of a third of the plumb cut a lot of carpenters measure it on a right angle.

@RobNorman08

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Been a chippy for 25 years, was taught to measure the backing line and divide by 3, then measure down 2/3 for the seat cut, never heard of nor seen a chippy measuring square across.

@Ultimate-roofing-square.

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder it’s the same if you measure on the plumb cut or across the square. I was taught the birdsmouth is a third, or less. Keep up the great videos. 👊🏻

Superb. Thanks for that.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Thank you👏🏻

Instead of the tape just use some stair gauges 👍

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

We could have used stair guages but everyone can lay their hands on some tape and it kept the numbers visible to the camera.

Thanks

I can see how robins roofing square with the fence would make this a breeze

@denty32

3 жыл бұрын

Get the essential roofing square by Dan Cox it comes with a paper copy of the formulas also the free app that James mentions in the video, I never thought I would ditch the speed square until I started using it.

@Ultimate-roofing-square.

3 жыл бұрын

@@denty32 thanks Mark. 😉

@moomastico

3 жыл бұрын

@@denty32 that looks like an ace bit of kit for sure. It looks to me like robins square will be a bit more adaptable and better for general use but I've yet to see a complete demo of it. I'm sure nobody would be disappointed with either tool.

@stephenwatson1873

3 жыл бұрын

@@moomastico just use what are called stair gauges, little brass fittings that slide n the roofing square

someone buy this man some framing square buttons!

Great video thanks. Does it matter if the seat cut is longer then the wall plate?

@SkillBuilder

2 жыл бұрын

No that is bound to happen on a shallow pitch

Great personality

Great information, does that work for all rise

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, we picked 5 over 12 but you can do it in metric or degrees. It is the same deal, once you know that third measurement you are good to go.

There is so much to the roofing square that measurement of 13 being the length of rafter per ft run take that on the body and twelve on the tongue and you have the side cut for a jack rafter and the top cut and bottom cut for the valley lay board. I would like to show you James if you didn't know that very interesting video thankyou

@BillyMustang101

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, run of common rafter & true length common rafter = Jack edge bevel and lay board cuts. All on the Gibson square

@peterbell4154

3 жыл бұрын

@@BillyMustang101 thanks Martin

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Peter We are going to come up and visit you so you can show our audience.

@peterbell4154

3 жыл бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Thank you Roger I will look forward to it I am in the throws of making a Kitchen at the moment. Many thanks

I love the tips and tricks, but I believe James could do with Robin Clevetts Iroko guide clamped on his square, I’ve adopted this and it speeds the whole process up 👍🏽

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of carpenters use fence made of hardwood or aluminium angle and it is shown in the City and Guilds carpentry books as a good method, you can also use stair guages to do the same thing but this is a video to explain how stepping off works and having a fence across the numbers obscures the very thing we are trying to show. We tried it.

@russellglancy2277

3 жыл бұрын

It’s excellent I love all the tips and tricks, I’ve been in the industry for 16 years and been watching your channel for a long time.

Roger / James that is the easiest and best explanation I’ve ever seen. Makes total sense now .. any chance of doing a metric version of this video ??!!😂

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure we could knock one up.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

we will do it for sure

@bobyoung4699

3 жыл бұрын

thank you, as I would love to show this to my UK students

You are telling perfectly well thank you very much, l’d like to buy framing square you’re using ,so please write me brand yours sincerely .

That's a great explanation of stepping off to mark the length of a rafter, and it's important to keep craft skills alive, but now we all have calculators on our phones isn't it easier, quicker, and less prone to error, to use trigonometry to find the rafter length? Run divided by cos of the pitch or rise divided by sin of the pitch.

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dai You are right and James did say you can get a free app but a lot of people have asked us to have another bash at explaining this so we thought we would let James have a go and see if he could make a few lightbulbs go on. It is, in many ways redundant but it helps to understand what is going on and not just become a slave to the machine.

Brilliant explanation mate.. excuse my ignorance but how would the layout /measurements differ for the birds mouth for the wall plate on the inner skin please, if at all? Many thanks

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

That is a very good point. We should have made clear that we are talking about the outside of the wall plate which is on the inner skin. Thanks for pointing this out. The rafter past that point is the eaves overhang and is not part of the calculation.

@concreteart1111

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks for clearing that up.. top blokes!

Great

Assuming you have a ridge board, should you not allow half the thickness of the board when marking out your cut rafter length?

VERY INFORMATIVE HELPED A LOT-HOWEVER IT,S "5" IN 12" NOT OVER"; DON,T MEAN TO BE PICKY THANK YOU

@SkillBuilder

Жыл бұрын

Hi Patrick It is called rise over run so it is 5 over 12. You can say 5 in 12 but Americans need it to be rise over run and not in it.

Hi James, we call it the step off method, you stepped off 4 times plus the 3” so 5 in total. Great video tutorial and teaching,

Did you use 1/8ths on the tongue of the rafter scale?

Good job, even I could follow, but please keep it metric.

Does 5 over 12 work for any pitch on the square or do you need to change the marks for different pitches?

@SkillBuilder

Жыл бұрын

Keep the twelve but change the 5 to anything you like.

so if the building was planned out in metric, you would just remeasure it in imperial to get the 4 over 12, yes?

Would you please write down of the framing square brand you are using thank you very much.

@jimichip

2 жыл бұрын

Silverline

Do a Delboy... get the calculator out & use trig 😂

what are these wonderful pencils I keep seeing in these videos ????? where can I buy one ??

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a pica dry marker, available on Amazon or Tracer see the links in the description.

Hello, please write the brand of the framing square you are using and I would like to get it from the same thank you.

Do I measure the overall length of the building or the outside of the wallplate?

@SkillBuilder

Жыл бұрын

You go to the outside of the wall plate if that is supporting the roof. You need to leave a magin on every rafter for the eaves overhang

Great video James and roger last time I checked 12 inches in a foot 🙄?

@jimichip

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. There still is 12” in a foot. The 13” is 13” of rafter length per foot (12”) of horizontal run, If it was a steeper pitch then the rafter length would be more, for example a 12/12 roof would be 17” of rafter length per foot (12”) of horizontal run. I hope that makes sense.

Spot on Mate! Great video and tutorial! Foo foo on the 10 bozos giving this thumbs down 👍👍👍👍👍😁✌🏻🇬🇧🇺🇸

Does 7/12 work the same tanks

James why do you use imperial if the square has metric?

Cheers James, bloody good name you have sir haha

@SkillBuilder

3 жыл бұрын

You mean King?

How do you work out what the 5 is

so how do you work that method with a metric square ?

When is James releasing his roofing square?😂

Don't you have to take off more then 3/4 if the slope rises above a 4?