Hay all. Just to answer some questions on these modules. 868 Compatibility Radiomaster are selling the Bandit modules as 915 FCC version only, however they are fully 868 compatible without modification. You can either change the regulatory domain to 868 CE in the WiFi Web configuration or you can re flash them in the ExpressLRS Configurator to 868. The antennas are both 915 and 868 compatible out the box and you will still have the full RF power available. They will simply not legally comply with 868 LBT CE Regulations though as they have not been certified however the HW is fully compatible with the 868Mhz band. Bandit Full Module RF Power. There was a mod for the larger Ranger module that allowed for upto 2W of RF Power. Due to the different RF setup the Bandit does not have this same capability, in my testing you can push it to about 1.2w with tweaking the setting but that’s the maximum I have seen.

I used Csrf for 4 or 5 years, I had a year of nothing but frustration with that system, bad updates, updates failing, bad new rx's, fail-safes in dense urban areas. Switched to ELRS, very happy

I feel for TBS because they got me into FPV with the TBS Disco ages ago. That said I've had a ton of problems with my TBS products and their customer support was never helpful.

I was wondering 🤔 when someone would step up to replace crossfire. Thank you for your time and effort to make this hobby enjoyable.

Nice work on the video mate 💪 When is your 100km range test scheduled for?

@sidneyspahr468

7 ай бұрын

Hahaha😂. You tripping bro. Coming from you I just laughed so hard I about s*** myself. Going to jail. Have a good one wez.

@jaysonrees738

7 ай бұрын

Still kicking myself for not saving that video. Blew my mind!

@Belrmar

7 ай бұрын

We all miss your LR tests

@icp-trek

7 ай бұрын

We need you to reemerge as, The Stig.

@sligit

7 ай бұрын

Dunno man, I heard some guy got in trouble for doing that sort of thing!

Fantastic testing and review, Ian! Thanks! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!

Really great option for longe range pilots! Nice video😊👍

Since this is a competitor to TBS Crossfire, a comparison could be in order. For example, the crossfire receivers (only dealt with the micro and nano) have two extra channels that could be used to control landing gear etcetera directly from the receiver. And, you can use the SDA and SCL pads for GPS (never tried that though).

Very cool! thanks for the great overview of these tx options. Not sure I would ditch my crossfire rigs for this now but if Radiomaster made an affordable 915 gemini diversity rx and tx option I'd be all in!

Lets rock Radiiomaster been waiting long time Big love to mr Mad This is the future no surprise its from fpv pilots friend Radiomaster

Waiting for this for a long time

Would love to see ELRS Airport functionality demo...

@richardamiss7000

7 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@LehtusBphree2flyFPV

6 ай бұрын

@Ian needs to make a video about this function

Radiomaster is becoming a one stop shop!!

I don't want to miss the Agent M google maps gps feature. Does ELRS have something like that? This and Digiview are crucial for long range spotters.

Now we just need a Bandit Gemini, fpv to the moon 😂

Smashing it out the park......

I've been using the Happymodel 868mhz diversity for months already.

Technology is cool! I think next year I'll do one of my longer range wings with 900 instead of elrs 2.4

perfect timing

looks good ...the day my full size crossfire dies i'll swap lol 🤣

@Raven187FPV

7 ай бұрын

Those things are built like brick shit houses 😅 just cheat on your xfire for a bit with ELRS.

@numbskullfpv3656

7 ай бұрын

@@Raven187FPV ah maybe I might borrow a module n receiver to try .. 4.5 years and hasn’t skipped a beat 🤌🏼

Great review, my ocd says iso brush the cans and connectors

This is amazing. I'm just curious if RM you release their ELRS PWM receivers for Bandit series too.

If there ever was a time for me to revisit my dual band, the time is now.

@Ian, Crossfire has one feature that RadioMaster missed which is Bluetooth connectivity to transfer telemetry data directly to QGroundControl or Mission Planner without a dedicated telemetry module. I have used this feature using Crossfire quite successfully on ground and in the air. @7:10 this is a big miss as depicted.

@RizHassan

5 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/rICE05uIgq3Wfrw.htmlsi=HtKolS6_dWTcB_T0 @5:30 telemetry log on my Android: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oqSD2ZSadZmZhNI.htmlsi=OPDu-3fOAub8NVkj

Radiomaster forgot about Gemini

cute detail at 29:55 with the price tags on the screens. :D

Crossfire works, it’s plenty fast, it never fail safes, I know Ian has great luck with elrs but I’ve seen it fail safe at 30 yards. And it takes 2 phd’s to bind the crap.

@Voyajer.

7 ай бұрын

Am I a wizard or something for not ever having an issue binding my elrs gear? IDK what step people would even have problems on.

Thanx for the video! 👍🏼 I've just got one question for understanding: on your graph of the power consumption shouldn't the unit be mA (instead of mAh, which is a capacity)? Or did I get this totally wrong? 🤔

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

Yea my error.

I wish wish wish these things would come with BNC connectors!!

I currently use the 2.4 GHz ELRS and I think that for most users of this, the range is already absolutely fine and they will have no need to upgrade to 868 or 915. Would be interesting to see a direct comparison though!!

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

I've been running 915 for the last couple years, just upgraded to Gemini 2.4 as I worry more about interference where I fly, and flying a couple miles is good enough for me😅

@DigitalCruzer

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, 2.4mhz is more then enough to fly legally, i haven't even turned my zorro up over 100mw yet with the matek diversity rx. I believe thats the one that's flew over 100km with a 1w module... I may be wrong?

7 ай бұрын

My dji O3 video link cuts out well before elrs 2.4ghz with a ceramic antenna buried deep in the frame so doesn't seem like much point to it.

@alanpaul1234

7 ай бұрын

@ Yes I agree. I don't fly that far, but 2.4 ELRS has been excellent. I'm using the Radiomaster TX12 with built in ELRS.

@pierholtrop5432

6 ай бұрын

I use both 915 and 2,4gh so they dont interfere

Crossfire is expensive and always out of stock, LOL. My flying has improved greatly since buying the Zorro.

Hi Ian. Nice video as always. Thank you. When talking about power consumption you are talking about mAh which is not a unit for power. But if this was on purpose how long did it take to consume those values of mAh?

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

No the chart it wrong. It’s a typo from an old chart that was not corrected. The outcome is the same

@74Ch1m

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 😊

Let's just dream a little bit ahead and the 2.4GHz chip of the Bandit can connect to the 2.4GHz chip of the walksnail googles X and you can switch the VTX channel with a switch on your radio, just like i used to via smart audio on my analog quads... wouldn't it be nice 😊

One of the biggest things that got me away from CF was the relatively large antennas. I like my

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I have 915 on all my quads right down to the 2.5" and the same thing tired of finding a place for the antennas, just installing Gemini 2.4 today.

@LehtusBphree2flyFPV

6 ай бұрын

Same I love the smaller form factor with 2.4 HUGE ANTENNAS suck on smaller quads

I’m still using Crsf because I use it in planes without a flight controller and I don’t need a computer to setup

I am very interested in whether I have to connect an external battery via XT30 to the module for 1W output? Crossfire allowed the TX16S to operate at 1W without an external power supply 😉

Will Radiomaster offer an option of the Boxer with 915MHz?

Just got the Bandit micro today from Radiomaster. I updated the FW with my passphrase and my home wifi settings. It said the update was successful but after unplugging it and plugging it back in, it won't power on. Any thoughts?

I need to ask you about this tomorrow

I picked up the emax aeris before they released these. It is a 900mhz 2w module and it has been flawless so far. Good to see some more 900mhz module options though. Finding recievers has been tough so i hope more are released following these.

@sullytrny

7 ай бұрын

I wonder if “,2” works like the Ranger micro?

@William_NS

7 ай бұрын

@@sullytrny I've often wondered that as well. Ive got a Beta FPV 500mw and a Happymodel 1w 915 module. Both have the 2w max power option in the /hardware options page but I don't want to mess anything up so I'm nervous to try. Maybe I'll try it with the betaFPV module that never gets used.

@William_NS

7 ай бұрын

@Peskii I use the Happymodel 900rx dual diversity on all my 900mhz ELRS quads and I haven't had any trouble finding one when I need one. If you're in the US, between RDQ, Pyrodrone and Amazon (as a last resort), I can always find an rx when I need one. If you're not in the US, then idk

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

I've been running 915 for the last couple years old frisky flashes to elrs, just got Gemini that I'm installing today.

@sullytrny

7 ай бұрын

@William_NS on 915 with a betafpv "D" type diversity rx on a jumper t20 set to 500mw dynamic @ 100hz never goes past 90%‐LQ. Even thru dense pines when the 1w walksnail gives out. Even when the osd breaks up I get no telm warnings (100mw telemetry) . Good sensible antennas and stable somewhat clean power is the secret. But it is nice to have the heavy duty hardware that you can count on.

Hey Ian, could the Rx's be paired with the Matek CRSF 2 PWM converters to offer PWM outputs?

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

No reason why not. It’s standard CRFS output.

Hello I would like to ask you a question about Bandit Modules and Elrs I had Futaba 9CAP radio it’s 72mhz also I had frsky 2.4gh module. It works fine. I would like to fly with Longrange fpv with head tracking 2 axes gible load on O3 DJİ Air unit and DJİ integra goggles. Is it possible? Does Futaba 9CAP works Ranger or Bandit. Also could you give me some recommendations.. thanks 🙏

Can we use elrs airport to build ground station repeaters to extend the signal ?

Do you think Radiomaster next trick will be 433MHz?

How is it better than my R9 with ELRS with fan running 1000w still gets hot 🥵

i have the boxer that already has express LRS built in ,,,so do i really need this

In Theory, I could use the Nano Bandit with the 2nd Moxon antenna and have same performance yes?

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

Technically yes.

Is the downside of 915mhz only that it is a little slower to respond? My guess is that it's still much faster than the human response time. I'm trying to see why someone would pick 2.4ghz over 915mhz

Bandit 868 won't be coming to planet U.K. tho as far as I have read so far until its Licenced by the FAA(aka CAA poodles)...so I'm using crsf for long range whenever I fly there,,or maybe ccidentally cock up the reflashing of the 915 module.🤗

Why is it when something new comes along it’s a nail in the coffin for someone, surely in this dying industry you need every manufacturer up and about.

Nah be sticking with my crossfire. Can’t beat it for range or ease of use.

Nah sorry but for 900mhz Crossfire is still king (at least the Full size unit is)

15:04 why does the Ranger Nano not look like this? :(

I wish there was a more dumbed down version of a numbering system or even use of change of font color to yellow then red on the LQ or RSSI numbers to signify when to turn the craft around - instead we are told to look at numbers that are not intuitive in terms of telling us link quality or rssi is too low. There should be a better system to inform the users when to start worrying about the link between transmitter and receiver. ELRS should focus on making the information more intuitive.

For taranis x9d I asume is the micro module the best?

@DigitalCruzer

7 ай бұрын

yes, it will snap right in, but you'll probably want to flash edgetx to your radio, the big one will work too with the adapter, but it will stick out more although it can work with most other radios

Crossfire allows headtracking(I use it). So Crossfire will not die. I think ELRS allows it exclusively with one of the fatshark goggles.

Is there a pwm adapter for these rx for servo aircraft?

@Voyajer.

7 ай бұрын

radiomaster has a 5ch pwm ELRS receiver for 2.4ghz. I'd imagine they would make a 900mhz version soon.

one BIG question for me as a Spektrum user. Will this work (and the telemetry) with my Spektrum radios??

@nellson.angelloFPV

7 ай бұрын

As long as you can read crsf telemetry with your radio...

@DigitalCruzer

7 ай бұрын

i believe the main point of the big one is that it does take ppm input for the old radios and doesn't require the csfr protocol... but you could always use any elrs module that has the screen before with any radio with ppm out for a simulator using a PPM/SBUS to ELRS CRSF Protocol adapter Board , i have an elrs module on my old fs-th9x using a ppm adapter that i installed in a 3d printed micro to nano adapter, so i could run a jumper aion nano module with it as a backup to my zoro

@DigitalCruzer

7 ай бұрын

the converter is like $7 and my jumper module was $20

SX1276, huh. So these LRS R/C protocols are just using LoRa?

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

ELRS is based of Lora.

Not 2W supported?

What about EU protocol for 868mhz? I think this the frequency for EU? To avoid GSM signal.

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

You can flash these with 868 ELRS but they will not be CE Certified.

900 is much better penetration, 2.4ghz gets pretty far line of sight though. 900mhz ELRS is the viable crossfire replacement and you won't need to replace your antennas.

@visioneerone

7 ай бұрын

Currently using a crossfire nano TX paired up with a swath of micro and nano receivers. I'd expect the range to be basically the same. Don't really see a reason to replace my existing crossfire gear with this. OTOH for someone that's starting out with 900mHz this would certainly be worth considering. The cost (and availability!) of receivers will have a lot to do with this.

@spikester

7 ай бұрын

@@visioneerone Yeah there is little reason to upgrade beyond wanting more than 50hz for longer range... if crossfire could be upgraded to do 150hz with the same range as 50hz then there would be no reason at all.

Trappy wird liefern. Es war verdächtig ruhig be TBS.

Nice to see more good 915 ELRS. I started in ELRS back with the DIY R9. I am using ELRS 2.4, but have switched back to crossfire for all my 915. The excitement with elrs abandoned the long range features that crossfire has baked in a long time ago. There are a lot of nice things in ELRS for all pilots in general, but the long range part has been neglected IMO. Yeah, elrs goes forever, but in LR flying it's WHEN you will fail safe, not if. If ELRS developed more LR features like backup rx power, dedicated GPS support on the Rx, beacon, etc. I might consider dumping my crossfire.

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

Yes, couple years ago I was just about to buy the big crossfire, then saw I could flash something called elrs to my R9 so said well I've got it, might as well try it, has been fine for me I never even upgraded firmware till a few months ago. Now I just got the 2.4 Gemini as interference is more of a concern to me than miles of range, I'll see how it works out.

Also, really funny how you have to select protocol crsf. If elrs is so good, why there is no option for elrs protocol and not crsf? 😬

@sganzerlag

4 ай бұрын

CRSF in this case is simply the protocol that the module uses to communicate with the transmitter (radio) that it is physically attatched to. It is a wired (as opposed to wireless) protocol. For the wireless link between the module and the aircraft receiver, then the ELRS protocol is used. The wired CRSF protocol has nothing to do with the wireless CRSF protocol. It is unfortunate that TBS named these two protocls with the same nomenclature. ELRS is a competitor to the wireless CRSF protocol, but does not intend to compete with the wired CRSF protocol used for the communications between the module and the radio.

Still Tango 2 pro! To much to cary around with those module. external power is a NO for me.

Great options but still wont replace crossfire or kill crossfire for that matter. simple reason being ease of use crossfire wins every time and also consistency with hardware quality will still always be the same with crossfire where elrs have mixed hardware quality from different brands.. I have no doubt that the radio master rx are premium but still... also not dual diversity rx is a deal breaker.. so to say that this is a nail in a coffin for crossfire is a bold statement that many will disagree with..

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you... For now

Where in the world can you test the range on this anymore . Range and penetration have been faultless on elrs 2.4 for me ! . Is this a product with no market .

Smells like Crossfire is going to suffer to me.... No Stock and way too expensive.. I see a Crossfire Clearout sale in the future.

Has anyone done any tests with this new module and rx’s in flight. I’m testing it with a br3 rx and having terrible results. 1/2km out and seeing -114dbm rssi and link quality alarms. Surprised it didn’t fail safe. Same test with br1 rx in same spot and held -70dbm and better. What’s up with this. Even quad sitting on bench seeing -80dbm on br3 and -10dbm with br1.

@MadRC

6 ай бұрын

If you don’t know there was an error in some of the ELRS files that caused an issue. You need to reflash the receiver via ELRS configurator and select erase flash. WiFi flashing won’t fix this.

Managed this content without dare mentioning frsky Futaba was your choice I get it lol.

can you flash 2W on the Bandit?

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

No, it has a different front ends, it will push to about 1.2w max in my tests.

@NorgeSquad

7 ай бұрын

@@MadRC ahh. I was thinking like you could hack it to 2W like you can with the ranger

o god i just bought a ranger....

Such a shill for the ELRS industry. lol. I think Im sticking with 2.4gh, but its nice to see the option for 915 other than flashing a FRsky module. I have yet to FS in 2.4 on 250mw, but plan to go 1W instead of lowering my frequency

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

LoL

the whole binding process and FW deal makes me totally uninterested in ELRS. Ease of use makes Crossfire #1 for me.

So 915 let's you go long range?

@SergioAguilar-kq7qy

7 ай бұрын

Yes +100km

what is this all about? everyone that want, is now using great Happymodel ES900TX module, which does 1W, has nice heatsink and fan and does not cost a fortune. there is also great Namimno Voyager with nice LCD, that can do 2W. This radiomaster is not interesting by any means.

TBS Crossfire user....Are they still dicking about with ELRS firmware?...Asking for a friend...lol...🤔😳😏😀🇬🇧

You mean the rebirth of crsf…..

Radiomaster is on the blacklist of the eu customs and I will not get a radio master from the customs released if it has not the proper certificates Crossfire can be imported legally in the EU and can be sold there, but Radiomaster must have something missing cause their lbt implementation is not good enough for a valid EU certificate. And the customs guy was not happy about the power modulation of the transmitter cause way too much what would be legal. And the chinese import hubs in the netherlands will again be happy to pull these radiomasters and others out of the shippings. My last 1 MW elrs went missing there while I also got an invitation from the local customs that I had tried to import illegal wifi goods without proper certificates. I had the same issue 5 years ago and now it is back again at least since summer. And no, they did no ship it back, but confiscated it as a proof. I do not believe that the UK is allowing it - and since then I had a lot more trouble with the customs since july or august when I ordered a series of speedy be flightcontrollers, each week one to avoid sanctions or a ban. Before that aliexpress and others were able to deliver within 7 to 1o days even 10€ parts and pieces door to door. Now it takes ages when it comes to the EU customs in Amsterdam and sometime here where the item can sit ages in the shelves. I would be very carefull to order this from inside the EU - even though it looks brillliant

ELRS setup is so garbage that unless you are broke and need to save $10 per recivers then there is no reason to pick elrs over TBS. How many posts do you see having people beg and plead for help on how to setup elrs..... never see that for TBS.

@jiatan_fpv

7 ай бұрын

Betaflight setup is so garbage that unless you are broke and need to save $100 per quad then there is no reason to pick BF over DJI. How many posts do you see having people beg and plead for help on how to setup BF..... never see that for Avata.

@BuddsSkyCam

7 ай бұрын

@_fpv5883 haha not true i had a guy pay me to setup his avata after owning it for 3 months and could never get it to arm haha.. i do really like what you did there.

Is it hack for this one 😂

@thomasgilbert6924

7 ай бұрын

The full size like the ranger

@MadRC

7 ай бұрын

See my sticky post.

Crsf is very easy to use. That’s not the case for ELRS

@NowWattFPV

7 ай бұрын

Yeah crossfire for the win

@ronsone8373

7 ай бұрын

Elrs is not that difficult

@spyder000069

7 ай бұрын

Additional equipment for mavlink telemetery. Still not a crossfire replacement.

@MikoajSzczepka

7 ай бұрын

Elrs as well. It’s very easy to configure

@dr.danishsajid148

7 ай бұрын

elrs is hard for old people

Crsf is still the king. Elrs is for nerds who have nothing to do with their life, other than trying to bind rx to tx

@nuddin99

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like you are coping hard about having less features 😂

@TheCatFather01

7 ай бұрын

@@nuddin99 souds wrong, guess you are one of those mentioned nerds?🤔

@TheCatFather01

7 ай бұрын

@@nuddin99 you discovered a dictionary or what? Cry me a river dude, i really dont give a rats ass on your oppinion 😉

@Voyajer.

7 ай бұрын

Brave of you to share with the class that you find typing the same binding phrase twice difficult.

@TheCatFather01

7 ай бұрын

@@Voyajer. sure, keep telling yourself that 😉

This is exactly the problem with the hobby. You sink $100's and possibly $1,000's into a technology and then the latest flavour without major reasons to switch technologies appears. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon expressing the second coming is here. A couple of years later the next 'great' technology appears and the process starts all over again. I'm a Crossfire long range adopter and will not be switching ever. I will just drop out of the hobby and find somewhere else more stable to spend my money on, if I can't get replacement parts. You are great, and your hobby knowledge is superior to anyone out there, but this sort of nonsense statement just perpetuates the issue and falls into the trap that the companies want you to fall into.

@ZippyFPV

7 ай бұрын

Meh. I think its exciting to be involved in something with so much innovation and passion. Quiting something you love because things change sounds depressing. To each their own and good luck in your search for a different hobby.

@goldenearsvideography

7 ай бұрын

I will stay as long as I can get parts, but clearly you have drank the kool-aide for constant change and $$$ out of your pocket for incremental changes based on Social influencers that make their living of of this constant change.@@ZippyFPV

@ugpfpv361

7 ай бұрын

Isn't that one of the requirements to be called a hobby😅

@goldenearsvideography

7 ай бұрын

No it isn't changing standards very 2 years and jumping on them without a major benefit only benefits the social influencers that need new content.@@ugpfpv361

So whats Xfire v3 [new unit?] = 0:05 into it; da vid? --- have always been interested in better performing frequencies, why not; work better? :-) noticed the elrs 9xx & 8xx MegaboomraS ;-) whoops had trouble selling. out of my poor league at the time. Cross Fire has helped novice me to have a go with less anxiety. 454 or Xfire don't care 🤔= my guess xx steak and chips & big sloppy kisses