Please note that the RTX 3080 10G data in the 'A Plague Tale: Requiem' Ray Tracing graphs is incorrect. This will be addressed for the 7700 XT review which will be on the channel tomorrow. Sorry for any confusion those numbers caused.

@1GTX1

10 ай бұрын

Gamers Nexus will address it, don't worry.

@takehirolol5962

10 ай бұрын

No worries, nice work guys! Finally high end RDNA GPUs for my region other than a 7900 XT and 7900 XTX.

@andersjjensen

10 ай бұрын

You forgot to pin this comment (at least by the time I read it).

@Hardwareunboxed

10 ай бұрын

@andersjjensen It has always been pinned. Your browser might have been playing up. I'll let it slide though because I'm a nice guy.

@geekarch_pc.id_

10 ай бұрын

It shouldve been named RX7800 without the XT

Steve is insane! All these benchmarks & he has been sick the whole time ~ #Respect

@awepizza

10 ай бұрын

with no errors and accurate, one person vs linus whole lab

@ripunjoyk1706

10 ай бұрын

​@@awepizzadon't forget, they do New Components, New Test, every time😂

@Sybertek

10 ай бұрын

"Thanks Steve."

@awepizza

10 ай бұрын

@@ripunjoyk1706 really? How come? Better notify them

@vincentvega3093

10 ай бұрын

​@@awepizzacaine down under lasts longer because injecting it is like doing it while doing a handstand xd

This is very interesting. The 6800xt hasn't been available in the UK below £500, but the 7800XT is starting at £499, and should drift down a little eventually; especially if nvidia make some pricing moves, though I don't really expect them to do much TBH which is their perogative if they think that they can still shift the cards at higher prices.

@xCHEESEandHAMx

10 ай бұрын

Begs the question tho will they drop the 7900 cards from £800 because the £300 difference is quite severe

@richardnpaul_mob

10 ай бұрын

@@xCHEESEandHAMx not until late next year or 2025 in all likelihood

@wayland7150

8 ай бұрын

The 7000 series has much better availability in the UK meaning easier to find a deal.

@user-ug7km1tw2w

7 ай бұрын

I bought rx 6800 few years back for my son it was 850 in shop and I just bought rx 7800xt yesterday and that was 592.99 delivered am not sure we’re u lot get y prices from it’s ludicrous also may I state it’s the diversity in the prices even between new n second hand is stupid I am part of the problem seen as I am also buying them but when a gpu cost more than a games console you start to question why

@richardnpaul_mob

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ug7km1tw2w proof or it didn't happen; unless you're talking ex vat. Current lowest I can see and have seen is still north of £700

When you realize that in this generation somehow "basically no improvement" is the best we got yet... 😓

I'm a bit surprised how well the 6950 XT still holds up. Especially when I remember that you could get one for roughly 600-650 USD at one point.

@Dempig

10 ай бұрын

Got my 6950 xt back in April for $600 , absolutely love it. Was a huge upgrade from my old 3070 ti that was constantly chugging from low vram.

@varmastiko2908

10 ай бұрын

It doesn't really 'hold up' per se. It's just that current generation offerings are bad beyond description.

@logirex

10 ай бұрын

the 6800XT only looks 4-5% slower and cost the same or less at this point also.

@fabrb26

10 ай бұрын

The thing eat up 170 watts more than a 4070 that cost about the same. In US it may not be a problem but in Europe that's 30-50 a year of energy bill to add.

@xGame4Fun

10 ай бұрын

@@eligraWould imagine that, similar to 7900 XT, we can get some more performance with some driver optimizations. At launch, the 7900 XT was very close to the 6950 XT with around 8-10% more performance. Now a couple of months in, we can see that the lead has increased to around 20%. If AMD is able to pull off some upper single or low double-digit performance with driver optimization, the gab with the 6950XT might close or shrink to single digit with a good amount of power savings.

AMD should have called this card 7800 non XT because it is obviously the successor to the 6800! The comparison to the 6800 non XT would have benefited it more than to the 6800XT!

@SweatyFeetGirl

10 ай бұрын

Amd even said its the successor to the 6800

@defeqel6537

10 ай бұрын

Nah, 7700 XT and price it at $429 (edit: while the current 7700 XT should have been the non-XT and priced at $359)

@hacob2004

10 ай бұрын

Nah it's best to compare it to whatever you can buy for a similar price.

@Davinmk

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@defeqel6537y’all are delusional if you believe a next gen product should have 2/3 of the last gens msrp with better performance

@NVidiero

10 ай бұрын

@@SweatyFeetGirl The they should call it 7800 non xt.....

I'm really happy I bought a RX 7900 XT; it was my very first high-end GPU. I've only owned the lowest tier before the 7900 XT and it is very impressive to someone who has never experienced a high-end GPU before.

@OptimalMayhem

10 ай бұрын

I'm happy with mine too. I know I didn't get the best value buying it at Launch but I got a lot of time out of it before the better values were readily available.

@dakbassett

10 ай бұрын

Did you get a 1440p or 4k monitor for it? I got a 6700xt and would love to upgrade.

@aziz2181

10 ай бұрын

and its about to get even better with the hypr rx and fsr 3 launching soon

@Paulie8K

10 ай бұрын

Nice dude! I know that feeling. I went from a 960M laptop to an RTX 3080 desktop a few years ago. Was gaming at 1080P low settings on the laptop to 1440P ultra on the desktop. My mind was blown. The difference in Fidelity sharpness and fluidity with a high-end card is something to experience if you are coming from a low end system.

@sish9912

10 ай бұрын

How much did you get it for?

Outstanding work Steve, as usual. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

hope you get well soon, Steve! great job on the hardwork! and great job to Tim for presenting these benchmarks for us. for some reason its refreshing to see you in these kinds of vids!

That 3080 jumping all over the graphs is wild. Did you check the numbers? It's weird that in a plague tale RT 1080p the 3080 is in the lower field, while at 1440p it skyrocket to the top of the list. Just HOW???

@Navi_xoo

10 ай бұрын

This is a good point, that's a rather strange result to go from under 60 at 1080p to over 80 at 1440p.

@nyshone

10 ай бұрын

Actually makes no sense, hope they notice this comment.

@leandrodrace

10 ай бұрын

RTX 3080 be like: Nah I don`t like 1080p. xD

@sql64

10 ай бұрын

another ltt situation?

@eonic6141

10 ай бұрын

My guess is the results were mistakenly swapped. 1440p RT FPS was shown on the 1080p chart and 1080p was shown on the 1440p chart.

This makes me so pissed what NVIDIA did to the 3070 Ti limiting it to 8GB, especially having to pay more because of shortages during the pandemic/mining craze. It should be doing 6800 XT levels, especially RT. 10GB at least would have done it. 10GB 3070, 12GB 3080, that is what it should have been. This is why console just seems more logical. I'm probably going for a 7900 XT or XTX, both cheaper that what I paid for my 3070 Ti.

@snugsel5412

10 ай бұрын

that's why we got dlss/dlaa.

@vuri3798

10 ай бұрын

I mean... It's hard to be suprised after paying scalpers' prices I guess. But indeed the 3070Ti barely ever made sense.

@robertcarhiboux3164

10 ай бұрын

amazing that 6800XT was 3070 competitor and that now it equals a 3080. I also regret going with nvidia, but had no choice back then. 0 cards were available, I picked what I could.

@tailerbrown6825

10 ай бұрын

nvidia milking startegy in action. What is why I'm not bying nvidia gpu's since 3060 12gb. I think middle-end gpu nowadays must have at least 16gb vram.

@AntiGrieferGames

10 ай бұрын

Games are unoptimized today, stop blame Nvidia

Having multiple manufacturers benchmarks in your reviews is extremely useful. Not only does it save consumers time when researching price per performance, it helps to keep manufacturers competitive which is great for the industry.

Thank you Steve for all the rigorous work despite being ill, and thank you Tim for the presentation!

It feels like this would have been better positioned as a successor to the 6700 XT. I have a 5700 XT and the 7800 XT will probably be my upgrade when the price is right.

@JoeHardman

10 ай бұрын

Could get a used 6800xt and enjoy the price and performance now

@redhawkmillenium

10 ай бұрын

​@@JoeHardmanmeh, I don't buy used. I like that new graphics card smell 😂

@westonstaufenberg7278

10 ай бұрын

@@redhawkmillenium you can still get em new

@SUPABROS

10 ай бұрын

it is at the same msrp as 6700xt. its only the name thats diff

@davidepannone6021

10 ай бұрын

That's because it's what it really should've been called. The 7700xt. The 7900xtx is the successor to the 6900xt, the 7900xt is just a marked up in named *cough cough nvidia 4080 12 gb cough cough* 6800xt. The difference is everyone lost their shit when nvidia did it. When amd did it, no one said a word. It's clear if you look at the non existent performance jump. While the 7900xt feels like your usual generational leap compared to the 6800xt, as it should be since THAT'S the true successor to the 6800xt, not this bullshit 7"""800xt""".

Thanks you so much I appreciate your in depth reviews, I hope Steve gets better soon. 7800xt looks like a good value now and when fsr3 comes out it should be an even better value imo.

Thanks Steve, for your hard work this week, especially while not feeling well.

Man, the 6800XT becomes a better buy with every passing day

@tapp3r109

10 ай бұрын

I mean the 7800XT is cheaper. If anyone's deciding between the 6800XT (if they can find any) and the 7800XT, the 7800XT is the better choice.

@dako91196

10 ай бұрын

@@tapp3r109 that’s definitely true for today. I more so meant that if you bought one (like myself) it turned out to be a great decision.

@Pihnes

10 ай бұрын

Nope, not in my country. 7800xt is about 30-50€ more expensive.@@tapp3r109

@gaav87

10 ай бұрын

Not rly idk why HUB 7800xt is boosting only 2000-2100mhz and other reviewers shows 2550-2600mhz and +5/7% more perf. then hub results i think steve is to sick and he did some mistakes ? Check daniel owens results its litteraly 8-10% faster then 6800xt (red devil) vs 7800xt(red devil)

@iequalsnoob

10 ай бұрын

@@gaav87 watch GN's review. Y'all will eat those words about the 7800xt being better.

Awesome, I now have absolutely zero regrets buying an ex mining 6800 xt for equivalent $390 usd months ago. 2nd hand market is where it's at.

@M4rio21

10 ай бұрын

Same. Got me a $400 RTX 3080 in February after a miner sold it. I repasted it and it has given me zero issues.

@MrSpartan117fan

10 ай бұрын

Exactly november of last year got a 5700 xt for 160$ usd lol

@ij6708

10 ай бұрын

Second hand is great but just to be safe better off not buying a mining card. At the very least, fans will fail early since it was running constantly

@handyman1957

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, I can't believe they say that the 6800xt is "basically dead"??? After watching Gamers Nexus, I immediately went and purchased a brand new ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming for $539 It has almost 6900xt performance and looks great too. How is it that after 3 years, this is the best they can do?

@M4rio21

10 ай бұрын

@@handyman1957 The 6800xt is dead at that price. The 7800xt is cheaper, faster, and more power efficient.

Hope Steve is able to take some time to get better. Don’t worry guys, we’ll be here once you’re able to get better and back to it. Nothing is worth bargaining your health over. Love the HUB team

Hope Steve gets feeling better soon! Appreciate your work, both of you.

For someone like me who has been religiously researching PC’s to make the switch from console, I believe I found my first GPU.

@NatrajChaturvedi

10 ай бұрын

As a lifelong PC gamer (since the 90's as a kid) who now thinks consoles are the overall better choice in this day and age, I would advice not to but hey you may have your specific use case or some reason... so go for it man.

@NatrajChaturvedi

10 ай бұрын

BTW my gut feeling is that MS, Sony will do a X/Pro console version this generation too. Only they will be marketted for Raytracing performance and upscaling capabilities not 8k res. Zen5 and RDNA4 might make them feasible. I'd personally buy those.

@andersjjensen

10 ай бұрын

@@NatrajChaturvedi The PS5 has about the same graphics horsepower as the 6700XT (which I currently own) and the graphics menu in console games is always completely handicapped. I'd rather take reduced settings over smeary/sizzling upscaled settings. At 1440p native I can get 80-90FPS in any recent game (sans Starfield apparently) with mixed settings that look better and feel more responsive than a console. That some of the recent console releases have the audacity to render at 720p and upscale that to 4k in the 60FPS mode is a crime.

@RiasatSalminSami

10 ай бұрын

@@NatrajChaturvedi I agree with you. It's been almost 3 years and these new GPUs are still too expensive. Might as well stick with consoles for now.

@Navi_xoo

10 ай бұрын

​@@NatrajChaturvedilmao enjoy getting ripped off to play online and getting 30fps and worse quality.

It would be nice if new cards would also be compared to older cards. I'm personally not upgrading every new generation, so I'm still using my RX 5700 XT, but there aren't allot of reviewers going back to that generation or older. In fact, I know a few people who are still using Nvidia 1000 cards.

@ronnie3626

10 ай бұрын

Still using my RX 580, waiting for RDNA4 or RDNA5 haha

@xpk0228

10 ай бұрын

5700XT is generally around 6600XT or slightly better than 2070 as listed here on the chart

@takehirolol5962

10 ай бұрын

I also have a RX 5700XT. Here is my situation. Prices and availability of used RDNA2 in my country is bad. Stores also have not been selling high end RDNA2 for a year and a half. Recenty a new RX 6800 from Biostar costs $900... My case is from 2016 with 32 cm space for GPUs, most RDNA2 GPUs will not fit and the reference models are not priced decently. Sapphire has models with only 2 fans and less than 30 cm, those will fit nicely in my case, thus saving me around $65 or more on a new mid tower case and a Saturday project. Importing cases is not worth it, too expensive.

@peterwstacey

10 ай бұрын

@@ronnie3626 I only switched from a GTX 660 last year. Everyone is on their own update cycle, the number of people who upgrade every year is actually a pretty small proportion (but they make up a much larger proportion of viewers of channels such as this). It all depends on the games they play, what they consider "acceptable performance", and budget

@niels623

10 ай бұрын

Is that still accurate? I believe AMD recently switched RDNA1 over to their new Direct 11 driver which was previously only for RDNA2 and higher.

Thanks for taking care of this presentation, Tim. And get well soon, Steve!

Great stuff Tim. A speedy recovery to Steve. Many thanks for the hard work.

Get well soon, Steve. Amazing work getting this review and the Starfield content out, but as a long-time viewer, I hope that you're not burning the candle at both ends. Content is just content. You''ve built a loyal following who'll show up for your videos, even if they are released a week late. Please don't drive yourself into the ground, just to meet an embargo. We can only redline our bodies for so long without serious consequences. Hope you can take some time to rest and recuperate

The man, the machine, the legend. GWS Stevo.

Get better soon Steve! This certainly is an improvement over the rest of the current gen line up. It's basically just a 6800 XT again for the same price and a few new features, but I suppose it's better than the same thing for a higher price.

@gpsgps-er1qu

10 ай бұрын

As greedy as Nvidia is, in retrospect the $600 200w 4070 doesn't seem bad value considering it came out 5 months ago. Wait 5 months to save $20 a month if people were waiting to get an upgrade like the 7800xt now. The 12gb definitely makes the 4070 a horrible value when I think about it. I guess it depends on people's value of their time and money. I'm bias when I think how absurdly long people have to wait for cheaper prices such as waiting 3 years to save $150 on the $650 6800xt that they could have made in 2 extra shifts. Definitely of course if people can't afford it, wait. For people who can afford it, it's a matter of deciding if it's worth upgrading to. Idk the gpu gen cycle price performance leap, but if the 1000s, maybe 3000s were the best value gen then that would explain why 2000 and 4000 value are bad in comparison.

@GeneralS1mba

7 ай бұрын

​@@gpsgps-er1qu4000 was too big of a generational leap for Nvidia to let slide, since it was a crappy Samsung node to tsmc's best at the time, so they pushed some dies onto higher product names and rtx 2000 was a bit of a demo on software and tensor cores

Amazing work, Steve ! Get well soon.

great video as usual. so won't be changing my 6800 XT for a while. I was afraid that it might be a bad move bying it back in April, seeing that the 7800Xt was coming out during the year. But I have been reassured :).

@speedtree

10 ай бұрын

Price will probably drop fast now though

@paulcoffield2102

10 ай бұрын

6800XT holds up very well in terms of price and performance compared to the 3080/4070/7800XT.

@NicoMCH666

10 ай бұрын

@@speedtree yep, I think I will watch what comes out next year, 8800xt?? Or the generation after that, and see what extra performance comes out of it plus what the future games will be demanding.

@robertstan298

10 ай бұрын

Depends how much you payed for it (guessing a pretty good deal), but yeah.

@moldyshishkabob

10 ай бұрын

​@@NicoMCH666I'm holding out hope for the 8800XT being near the 7900 XTX/4080 performance tier, personally.

The 7800 XT has significantly higher 1% lows. It really shines there. I did the research through several reviews.

I'm actually really excited about this card. I bought a 4070 in June because my old GTX 1080 died, but this is the card I would've bought if it had been released. Don't get me wrong: I'm not unhappy with my 4070, but this thing is more raster performance, more VRAM, and $100 cheaper for just 60W more (and apparently lower idle draw-- which is more applicable to me these days anyway since I don't actually get time to play games that often anymore). IMO if you're that person who is running a 1440p display and sitting on an obsolescent GPU from two or three generations ago like I was, this is absolutely the card to buy. The generational performance uplift may not be huge, but it's not like 6700/6800 series performance was bad, and the new one brings some modern features to the table, draws less power, and you can buy it new for a good price. I wouldn't bin a 6800 and replace it with this, but for everyone on older cards the 7800 XT is a great opportunity. Just my two cents.

@NatrajChaturvedi

10 ай бұрын

The problem AMD is having is none of their modern features are exciting enough like some of Nvidia's are. Anti lag sounds gimmicky and mostly just useful for esports players (even Nvidia's version. I don't care much for Reflex too) and AV1 encoding? Well if your a streamer/ytber sure. But 1% of GPU buyers are that if that even. Frame gen? Don't much care for that again be it from Nvidia or AMD... BUT love it or hate it RT is indeed revolutionary in some scenarios and so is the idea of RTX studio that allows modding of older games and implementation of full Path Tracing into them. Then there's the new DLSS 3.5 denoiser thingy that improves the RT reflections. RTX voice sounded amazing on paper too. If they really want to kick Nvidia in the balls, AMD needs to expand its software team...

@slayerr4365

10 ай бұрын

id always go for the 4070 over this because of ray tracing and dlss. This card also has no place in the modern market not because of nivida but because the 6800 xt is cheaper than this card currently and out performs it in many situations lol. They are competing with them self more than anyone with this release

@ganthrithor

10 ай бұрын

@@NatrajChaturvedi See I'm in the opposite camp: I play multiplayer (competitive) games, so I don't give a single fuck about RT because RT hurts performance substantially even on Nvidia cards, and mainstream cards in general don't have the performance to use RT without leaning on other features like upscaling and frame generation, which I also refuse to use. RT is fine if you own a 4090 or if you don't care about image quality and input lag, but if you play multiplayer games you probably don't want to be enabling any of those things unless you're on the halo card. Is the encoding thing really not in high demand? I don't stream personally, but it seems like everyone and their dog is trying to "break into streaming" these days... I would think it's a pretty marketable feature.

@ganthrithor

10 ай бұрын

@@slayerr4365 I don't think the 6800 XT is widely available at a substantially cheaper price (maybe a few bucks off?), and even if it is, that situation probably won't last long. I'm sure AMD has been holding back on this launch until most of that stock cleared, so I doubt there's too many 6800 cards remaining at this point. As far as RT-- read my above reply: I think there's a decent portion of the market that plays PvP games who will have no interest in RT or the framerate-boosting technologies because they all have downsides for competitive play. For any kind of competitive game all we really care about is raster performance for getting the highest possible framerates and lowest input latency. The 7800 XT seems to smash the 4070 in raster a majority of the time: 15-30% is a substantial lead, let alone coming from a card that's $100 cheaper than the competition. That said, if you play single player or non-competitive titles, the 4070 does have a use-case that may be worth tolerating the extra $100 and VRAM deficiency of the 4070. It just depends what you're going to do with your card.

@syncmonism

10 ай бұрын

If you consider that there's been higher than normal inflation in the last three years, and if you also consider what the launch MSRP pricing was for the 6800 XT and the 6700 XT, then the 7800 XT is actually providing a rather significant improvement in value per dollar. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD. The 6700 XT was probably originally planned to launch at closer to 440 USD, and maybe even less, but the 7800 XT is still about 43% faster, with 33% more Vram, more memory bandwidth, and various other new features and improvements which come with the new architecture as well, so the 7800 XT would still be a decent improvement in value over the 6700 XT, even if it had launched with an MSRP closer to 400 USD in early 2021. Against the 6800 XT's launch MSRP of 650 USD, the 7800 XT offers about a 50% improvement in value per dollar, if you properly account for inflation. 500 USD today is also equivalent to about 418 USD back in 2019, when the 5700 XT launched at 400 USD, and was considered a great value at that price. The 7800 XT is roughly 80-90% faster than the 5700 XT, but also has double the Vram capacity.

Steve in the thumbnail. Nice touch! Thanks for the review as always.

When the performance is equal, always opt for the card with more memory.

@Battleneter

10 ай бұрын

Depends, I would suggest those that purchased a 3080 10GB nearly 3 years ago have had a slightly better run than those that purchased a 6800XT due to better RT and DLSS. Only if you planned to hold onto the card another 2-3 years the 6800XT ftw, but I would still prefer a 3080 today. The 8GB cards are an entirely different discussion, they seemed dodgy from the start as consoles can spare up to around 10GB of shared memory for VRAM after the OS, subsystem and game data in memory.

@NVidiero

10 ай бұрын

Well, yes, buy you lose the dlss + FG... Yes, you got FSR, but in the nvidia also have it. Decisions...

@verttisyrjala2897

10 ай бұрын

Nvidia cards have features that may be more important for some people. Personally because DLSS is just so much better than FSR, until AMD improves their upscaler I won't consider an AMD card.

@PaulBlartGaming

10 ай бұрын

​@@verttisyrjala2897upscaling in general is dogshit. New ai denoiser from nvidia only thing worth using

@robertcarhiboux3164

10 ай бұрын

for the price & perf I will mainly look the card who has the best thermals (it will last longer), and best power consumption, it saves you money at the end of the day.

Watching while on my GTX 1070 while fishing on HorizonXI. ::Laughs in 2016::

Great work. Thank you guys

Get better soon Steve! Thanks for the testing, get some rest!

Is the video quality much better on this video? I can tell there is something different here, maybe its the lighting in the background, maybe its the improvement in production quality itself, but WOW, I LOVE IT.

why is the RTX 2060 super ahead of the RTX 2070 by 12% at 5:20 ?

Respect Steve! Big job getting this done while sick. Get well soon.

Best wishes Steve! Awesome stuff Tim :)

As always Steve...your efforts here are greatly appreciated by us all. Get well soon. The 7800 XT is now a compelling choice for my next GPU purchase. 🤔

All my good thoughts to Steve, hope you are back in the saddle in no time. Great work as always both of you.

Amazing work! Get well soon Steve!

Wishing you the best and hoping you get well Steve!

I may use it in my Lan PC. Not sure I am pretty happy with my 6750xt Elite I have in my main rig. But I am hoping the release of this will drop the prices for the other gpus a bit.

One of the big differences that might go into consideration is the use of latest Navi and encoder those into little bit of editing or rendering work. Plus some features announced by amd won't be releasing on old gpus

@mojojojo6292

10 ай бұрын

Nobody is buying amd cards for rendering work. Their software support is truly awful

@thedigitallens

10 ай бұрын

@@mojojojo6292 if someone is into basic work but mostly into gaming.

@wadimek116

10 ай бұрын

​@@thedigitallensNvidia is workload gpu with much higher compatibility and speed when cuda or tensor cores are in use

Sending much love, Steve!

Hi @Hardwareunboxed and thank you once again for the great video! I wanted to ask that are you planning on making a roundup video on all the partner cards for the RX 7800 XT like you have done for various other cards? If you are wondering about it, I'd be atleast more than happy for it so I can decide on what model to pick up.

Only thing that doesn’t completely disappoint is the price. But unfortunately this good pricing won’t make it to Europe. The 3% performance jump is embarrassing tho. No way I am going to buy this over the 6950xt which is @620€. 500$ in the US means at least 580€ in Europe.

@syncmonism

10 ай бұрын

The pricing should make its way to Europe, or at least close to it, with maybe a little bit more mark-up, plus the standard taxes. US (and Canadian) pricing never includes taxes, and sales taxes can vary a lot by state or province.

@Trisstan20

10 ай бұрын

yeah 7800 XT is more expensive than 6800 XT i got 2 months ago ( when they were still available) not great

@SweatyFeetGirl

10 ай бұрын

@@syncmonism lol, the 7800xt sells for 569-600€ , you can get 6800xt for 499-539€

@bayo2001

10 ай бұрын

£500 in the uk

@xWood4000

10 ай бұрын

​​@@syncmonismHah, little markup? There's always atleast a 100€ markup on any tech after accounting for taxes.

i mean as owner of 6800 XT, this is just rebrand with slighly lower power consumption and better codec support what concerning me are the prices outside of US, in Europe prices of 7800 XT and 4070 dont seems much different

@storage-space4927

10 ай бұрын

The US dollar is loosing its value?

@OCX600RR

10 ай бұрын

Undevolt your 6800XT and you got yourself a 7800XT

@nayan.punekar

10 ай бұрын

​@@storage-space4927Yes and others are suffering because they print money to combat inflation which solves their inflation but increases inflation in every other country cause we have to pay for it.

@tiagomorgado3798

10 ай бұрын

​@@storage-space4927taxes in Europe are really high As an example the rtx 4070 costs 680€ and the 4070 ti costs 1020€

@syncmonism

10 ай бұрын

The 7800 XT naming is dumb. It's a 6700 XT successor, because it's using a mid-sized GPU, and its launching at a similar MSRP that the 6700 XT launched at. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD, and the 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT. It's nothing new for previous gen graphics cards to be heavily discounted in price before many of the next gen cards replace them, and for them to have equal or better performance per dollar at those prices, yet many people are arguing things like "the 7800 XT offers little to no improvement in value per dollar over the previous generation", as if AMD is supposed to give us a major improvement in value per dollar over CURRENT pricing for the already heavily discounted 6800 XT (and other various heavily discounted 6000 series cards). Do you need to like the price of the 7800 XT? No. It sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and you could argue that AMD does share some degree of blame for that, though certainly not most of the blame. If 500 is still too expensive for you, then that sucks, because the 7700 XT is not worth considering at current pricing (even though it is fairly competitive against Nvidia alternatives). The 6700 XT is currently a potentially very good option at 330 USD, but stock will probably mostly run out long before the next generation comes out, and the 7700 XT is simply too close in manufacturing cost to the 7800 XT for AMD to ever want to give us a genuinely good deal on them. AMD definitely left a big gap between the 7600 (which is itself still over-priced at most retailers), and the 7800 XT, basically forcing people to buy previous gen, or used cards, if they want a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end graphics card, and Nvidia has also basically done the same thing, by offering poor value for everything other than the RTX 4070 (and the 4090 is arguably a good value as well, at least as far as ultra high-end cards go, but it's simply not going to be worth buying for the vast majority of gamers).

Great video, solid card & swift recovery for Steve.

Hope you feel better soon Steve😀

Definitely a compelling option especially if you were going to buy Starfield. Newegg only has 1 SKU at $499 (the Challenger).

@guidosaur7506

10 ай бұрын

The ASRock steel legend one is backordered on Newegg and pretty much the only choice there now, but I didn't trust my odds with them actually fulfilling that order.

Retail prices at launch are actually higher than the 4070 here in Oz, although it's nice to see them available already. I hope it doesn't stay that way. The last of the 6800s and 6800 XTs seem to have gone, but $879AUD for the PowerColor Radeon RX 7800 XT Hellhound OC 16GB (cheapest I see) is $30 more than the last 6800 XT was going for (pccasegear) and about the same as your entry level Inno3D or PNY 4070 at $889 ($883 for the PNY at MSY WA) whereas the ASUS TUF variant of the 7800 XT at $969 is $10 more than the Asus Dual OC version of the 4070. Hopefully they come down in the near future. Sad that this stagnation is the best value available from this generation across all brands.

@NDSIser

10 ай бұрын

God that’s terrible AU pricing lol. I get why content creators don’t talk about other markets but this just becomes a wait for a sale situation for Australians yet again

Thanks tim. Hope steve gets better soon.

I have a question with which CPU did you test the graphics cards?

I was able to get a 6800 XT Merc 319 on sale a month ago for $500 USD. Happy to see the performance is still on par with the 7800 XT, as I was expecting it to be at least 20% faster. 🤔

at 12:39, the 3080 gets 52 avg fps at 1080p but then gets 86 avg fps at 1440p. is this an error in the graphs? the performances are consistent between 1440p and 4k so it's probably an error in the first graph for plague tale

@Bogdan00

10 ай бұрын

maybe driver overhead

Amazing Review as always!

How are oc/undervolt in this card ? Can you get any significant performance increase ? Does the power draw reduce significantly?

0:21 Wow, really like the look of that model, honestly I think more board partners should take this approach in their design phase.

Thanks for the effort to both of you and quick recovery to the patient! So, the generational leap for RDNA3 vs RDNA2 keeps being ~50% or more (N31 and N32 vs N21 and N22). And prices aren't bad at all nowadays.

@andyyy5855

10 ай бұрын

The generational leap between the 6800xt and 7800xt is basically non existend

@joaogabriels.f.5143

10 ай бұрын

@@andyyy5855you are both correct. 7800xt to 6800xt has no leap. And N41 from N31 + N42 from N32 has about 40%ish leap.

@giorx5

10 ай бұрын

@@andyyy5855You compare names (marketing=non-objective by definition) and I compare die-sizes between generations. That is the generational leap in architecture. Also, pricing fluctuates and 6800XT stock is being depleted.

Why u didnt put the Sapphire version performance into the video too? i d like to know which manufactured version of this card is best

How do we feel this would perform in streaming applications with the 256bit bus and AV1 encoding? I’m trying to build an sff streaming pc and this is the highest tier gpu that isn’t absurdly priced atm

As someone still with a rx 570 8GB (that works overall fine for me) and wanting a new card, I think I'll wait to see what Battlemage does to the market overall. I'd love something new now, but I think we can get even better prices on current gen hardware if Battlemage is up to stuff at launch. It's a bit away, yes, but if my hardware holds up until then, I'll be okay.

@mercurio822

7 ай бұрын

mate battlemage is a year out.

Cheapest in Denmark right now, is approximately 620 USD, availability expected around 23 sep. Not sure what to say, its just sad at this point.. wait for next gen? :( Edit: You can get a new 6800 XT for the exact same price point.

@TheDiner50

10 ай бұрын

That is with tax yes. 25% tax = about $500. Really go Nvidia or just wait on the AMDiscount. It might even happen that AMDiscount appers on Nvidia cards soon enough. If RX 6000 truly starts to sell out we might get discounts for blackfirday or Q1 2024 on this Navi32 stuff. Or just wait for more horrible GPU launches. At best Nvidia are going to fix RTX 4000 and launch the same cards but this time with enough vram for the price.

@tapp3r109

10 ай бұрын

Weird. In Sweden it's $620 as well, but the 6800XT is $665. So the 6800XT is definitely more expensive. Unless you find one on sale.

@marcinmaj848

10 ай бұрын

I can assure you in Poland it will be much more expensive. The cheapest AMD reference model RX 7900XT is around $890-910.

@jensjensen7504

10 ай бұрын

@@marcinmaj848 Cheapest 7900 xt (Asrock) is also prices around 910 USD in Denmark. For the cheapest Asus one its 1050 USD.

Thanks Steve!

Thank you for all the hard work we really appreciate it

Can't remember the last time I've seen such a well executed HUB review. LOVED the separate RT tests, RT-avg. & $/RT-frame! Also, 👍 for leaving out upscaling as it muddles the comparison in raw power that's essential in a primary review. Best to leave upscaling for an aux. piece where you can go over all the ups and downs. The 7800 XT is so text-book underwhelming. AMD took its sweet time to score nothing more than a technical win. At $7.24/RT-frame vs $7.89 for the 4070 the GPU cartel stands strong and AMD won't be biting anything out of NVIDIA's market share as there will be TONS of people able to justify the difference. The 7800 XT should've been at least -10% cheaper to make any waves (actually, I would've liked at least +10% better RT but that's seemingly impossible for AMD). I'm not holding out any hope for real competition any time soon. Retail GPUs is basically a dead market where the cartel made a truce: Don't fight for dGPU market share as long as anything TSMC makes can be sold by both at much higher margins in other markets.

Given the current GPU market, I think the price is the biggest takeaway. It's not amazing, but it's not bad.

Hello does the hellhound have coil whine? i want to know if there is a dead silent model

Steve we all hope you feel better

The content keeps flowing, you guys sure do work hard

In Germany 459€ for a 6800 non-XT is still a great deal but the new options of the RX 7800XT / 7700XT are also very attractive. It is a good time for a hardware upgrade

Heyy, I have a ryzen 9 3900x and a gtx 1080. is it worth to buy a 7900xt or is the 7800xt better for my older cpu. Thanks!

Hi What you think which is better for streaming and gaming? 4070 or Rx 7800 XT? Thanks!

I currently have a 2060 super and I want to upgrade next year. I’ve never owned an AMD gpu before but it looks like the 7800 xt will be the way to go! Amazing results and double the vram 🙂

I tested an RX 6800 XT a couple of years ago and moved on to an NVIDIA card to test that out and see what all the hype was about. It turns out the AMD card was actually really impressive value. I've been looking for a way to find my way back to at least owning an AMD card so I picked up the RX 7800 XT this morning.

@Nicc93

10 ай бұрын

Havent even touched my 3080 ti after getting 7900 xtx :) much better for 4k

@N0N0111

10 ай бұрын

Which brand and model RX 7800 XT?

@slickrounder6045

10 ай бұрын

Good choice! The 7800xt will be known in the coming years as the Clear best value card from this generation of Gpu's. There really isn't a close second. If you even remotely care about Starfield, getting a free copy of it is a nice bonus as well. Ofcourse the 7800xt having the best performance for Starfield in terms of price to performance (By a Mile according to Steve from Gamer's Nexus), is the icing on the cake. It even easily beats the overpriced 4070ti 12gb at $800 in Starfield..

@BrownStain_Silver

10 ай бұрын

@@N0N0111 I decided on the reference design AMD RX 7800 XT. I was looking for something a bit more compact for an SFX build otherwise I might have gone with the PowerColor Red Devil RX 7800 XT Limited or Sapphire NITRO + RX 7800 XT. Both of those cards have amazing designs IMO with better thermals and noise levels. I wanted as compact as possible though so I'm happy with the reference model.

@starvader6604

10 ай бұрын

​​@@slickrounder6045if you're a bethesda fan then sure why not

I hope you get to feel better soon Steve 🙂

Thank Tim, get better soon Steve.

Praying for you Steve! Thanks Tim for taking up the slack and getting us the honest, quality analysis we've come to appreciate from you guys.

i just picked up a 6950xt; it seemed like the best performance to price for that price point compared to what i had before and what is available on both red and green side + seeing how im running an amd cpu, i could use the smart memory access aswell, which i can't with an nvidia card 🤔

Thanks Tim and Steve

When will we be able to buy a 7800xt? Its supposed to release today but none of the pc part sites have it up

I'm confused. At 12:35 the RTX 3080 is almost at the bottom at 1080p (Ray Tracing), but suddenly beats the 4070ti in both 1440p and 4k? Is this the game messing up or is the data wrong?

@antgib

10 ай бұрын

I noticed that as well and thought the 1080p result for Plague Tale RT can't be correct. Better recheck that Steve or you may have Steve gunning for you, haha.

@crackadawg

10 ай бұрын

I came here to say the same thing. That data looks bugged (or the game itself wigged out) which is unfortunate as it is especially relevant to me... (I currently have a 3080 10GB)

@TheDiner50

10 ай бұрын

Maybe that is what happens when you cut the bus with from 320bit to 192bit. RTX 4070Ti is 12GB. And the RTX 3080 is what 10 or 12GB? I mean it says 10GB on the testing. Yet the bus with is 33% cut for the 4070Ti. Like remember we are talking about a 80 class vs the un launched 4080 12GB. But yea it might be the testing that is wrong. Imagine that. But really it is believable due to what RTX 3000/4000 has turned out to be. Like honestly it is just funny how at 1080p the 3080 performance is reported to be worse then in 1440p. Maybe it is intentional? Since that is just to silly. 4K 3080 10gb! Leeetsgoo!

@The23rdGamer

10 ай бұрын

Agree -- something appears wrong with this data.

Feels like a few driver revisions later the 7800xt will become more optimized and dominate the 6800xt especially as 6800xt supply starts to dry up.

@Turbotef

10 ай бұрын

This guy gets it, plus it has those AI accelerators built in which I'm sure will give this card a decent boost whenever FSR3 is released. I'll be replacing my 6700 XT with a Sapphire Nitro+ model soon!

@syncmonism

6 ай бұрын

I don't think it's ever going to "dominate" the 6800 XT. It has pulled a little bit further ahead in some newer games, and will likely pull a bit further ahead over time, but I don't think it's ever going to perform that much differently. Maybe some day it will support higher quality upscaling, or some other feature that the 6800 XT doesn't support, but as far as I can tell, the architecture of RDNA3 doesn't seem to be all that much different than RDNA2.

Excellent work! Is it worth it yet to upgrade from my 3070TI?

What CPU was used for testing? Just curious, my 5600X isn't quite up to snuff when trying to reach these performance levels it seems.

I would like to see the graphs sorted by the 1% low instead of the average framerate. Anyway great content!

@collinsorrells-yl4fi

10 ай бұрын

The 7800 XT has significantly higher 1% lows. It really shines there. I did the research through several reviews.

Get well Steve! This makes me glad I sprung for the 7900xtx - I might actually have playable games at 1440p for three years with it . maybe.

@andersjjensen

10 ай бұрын

If you just learn to accept that there are other settings than Ultra then you'll be good for 1440p for a heck of a lot longer than 3 years. I'm on 1440p with a 6700XT and I still hit 80-90FPS in every game without upscaling by tweaking settings. I'm also eyeballing an XTX though, as I think RT has become more than just the usual "Nvidia fucked titles". The RT numbers in UE5 games look a lot more digestible as Lumen doesn't just cast millions of rays in every random direction, but actually seems to be doing something useful with the ray's it does cast.

@smarouchoc7300

10 ай бұрын

@@andersjjensen well, starfield with my GPU and the 5800x3D I have is already falling behind at NOT ultra settings. At 1440p. Hopefully it will get better, but it is likely a sign of things to come :)

@andersjjensen

10 ай бұрын

@@smarouchoc7300 Starfield, like Cyberpunk, is broken. There is absolutely no reason the GPU should be taxed this hard when other games can make just as pretty graphics at 50-60% the compute budget. The old mantra "Your GPU doesn't get slower. The settings will just be called something different" mantra seem to have gone more and more out the window these days. And if game developers expect us to chuck thousands of dollars at new hardware every 2-3 years to play their games I have the notion that they'll end up being very disappointed....

Hello! Are you having problems with the green screen and rebooting the system? How can I fix it?

@TonyChan-eh3nz

7 ай бұрын

Try doing a fresh install of windows

Steve really is the G.O.A.T. for getting all this data out in time despite being sick. 🙏 get better soon

For someone looking to upgrade from a 1050 ti 4 gb, would you guys suggest this card ?

@zuflis

10 ай бұрын

if you had the money, and its really 500 usd in your area, then yes. its a good value card imo for newer card. though i would make sure your PSU is up to the task too. since AMD card is quite power-hungry, especially when compared to your 1050 ti. its almost 4x jump in power draw

@SneharthoDey

10 ай бұрын

@@zuflis I have a bronze cooler master 750w psu.

@zuflis

10 ай бұрын

@@SneharthoDey should be enough unless your CPU is power hungry too like latest gen intel

So a 7800XT is a 6800XT but 150 dollars cheaper 2 years later. So it's a slap in the face. Thanks AMD.

@syncmonism

10 ай бұрын

You're completely ignoring inflation. Like it or not, your money isn't worth what it was three years ago. Inflation has been much higher than normal in the past three years, but you should really be comparing the 7800 XT to the 6700 XT, because that's what it's replacing. The 7800 XT naming is dumb. It's a 6700 XT successor, because it's using a mid-sized GPU, and its launching at a similar MSRP that the 6700 XT launched at. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD, and the 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT. It's nothing new for previous gen graphics cards to be heavily discounted in price before many of the next gen cards replace them, and for them to have equal or better performance per dollar at those prices, yet many people are arguing things like "the 7800 XT offers little to no improvement in value per dollar over the previous generation", as if AMD is supposed to give us a major improvement in value per dollar over CURRENT pricing for the already heavily discounted 6800 XT (and other various heavily discounted 6000 series cards). Do you need to like the price of the 7800 XT? No. It sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and you could argue that AMD does share some degree of blame for that, though certainly not most of the blame. If 500 is still too expensive for you, then that sucks, because the 7700 XT is not worth considering at current pricing (even though it is fairly competitive against Nvidia alternatives). The 6700 XT is currently a potentially very good option at 330 USD, but stock will probably mostly run out long before the next generation comes out, and the 7700 XT is simply too close in manufacturing cost to the 7800 XT for AMD to ever want to give us a genuinely good deal on them. AMD definitely left a big gap between the 7600 (which is itself still over-priced at most retailers), and the 7800 XT, basically forcing people to buy previous gen, or used cards, if they want a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end graphics card, and Nvidia has also basically done the same thing, by offering poor value for everything other than the RTX 4070 (and the 4090 is arguably a good value as well, at least as far as ultra high-end cards go, but it's simply not going to be worth buying for the vast majority of gamers).

@TheKazragore

10 ай бұрын

I mean...better power efficiency, better ray tracing. Honestly, though, this card isn't an XT. It's a straight 7800. AMD fucked up the name, not the price this time. But it's still another launch with another fuck up.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

10 ай бұрын

true, should've called a 7800. That would've solved half the problem. A price of 480$ would also have been better. @@TheKazragore

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

10 ай бұрын

stop with all the inflation bs. Why are only GPUs getting more expensive ? CPUs, RAM, storage all of them are getting better and cheaper. 7800XT is a compromised piece of sh!t with only half the amount of cache of the previous gen. Despite the fact that it is using chiplet design, it is not a significantly better value than the 6800xt. STOP the inflation argument. STOP the coping @@syncmonism

@MMM-jf5st

10 ай бұрын

@@syncmonism bro, it's a card performing worse than the previous model, released 3 years ago. 3. And the 6800XT is now cheaper than the 7800XT.

Good job guys!

Thanks for all your effort, Steve. Get well soon.

how come there is no 6900XT model in the test comparisons ?

@Fleetfoot

10 ай бұрын

Just use the 6950XT as reference, a mild OC makes the 6900XT perform identically to it.

@davidg2731

10 ай бұрын

6900XT was replaced by the 6950XT!

No Fortnite before the review dropped gave me a hint Steve is still unwell 😢

@Hardwareunboxed

10 ай бұрын

Yeah my voice still isn't there yet :( Few more days and I'll be right.

almost 1M subs guys!!!! keep it up :D

What are the thermals like?