I can’t imagine how difficult these topics are to understand in Japanese, let alone to translate them to another language, thank you so much for the translations!

“There is geometry in the humming of the strings. There is music in the spacing of the spheres. ”

@habibainunsyifaf6463

23 күн бұрын

Michio Kaku?

@PropaneWP

23 күн бұрын

@@habibainunsyifaf6463 Pythagoras

2:47 "which of these 3 squares do you think is the most beautiful?" Me: "the one above No.3!"

@Lizurd249

19 күн бұрын

That's just a moving drawing, wake up

@Rickxekken

19 күн бұрын

@@Lizurd249 its all good. Your profile picture is also a moving drawing, yet it's the most beautiful man I've ever seen.

@Lizurd249

19 күн бұрын

@@Rickxekken agree

As an architect - designer myself, i can say the way Raden explains this topic is really good

Anyone else getting the impression that they've been out-cultured by Raden fans? I feel so inadequate.

@MWeebposting

23 күн бұрын

Become a Raden fan. Become cultured

@unlimitedquickworks7387

23 күн бұрын

Out-cultured lmao

@gossamera4665

23 күн бұрын

Out-cultured by someone who didn't know what aesthetics was? That's a pretty low hurdle to stumble on, my dude.

@FiredAndIced

23 күн бұрын

Embrace the imposter syndrome. I learn that when I am in the programming/coding industry. It’s hard to move forward when you continuously have self-doubt. Learn that we all have that bit of an imposter syndrome in them. Embrace that, and you learn to fit in, to learn what is being said, when to say on your turn, and how to say it. I say that as someone with an underlying spectrum.

@proto7030

22 күн бұрын

@@gossamera4665 Sometimes it's all about knowing what you don't know, which the viewer did. Some people may feel they haven't even begun to ask themselves the right question.

the fact that she gave such a complex and genuine answer really lets you see how strong her passion for art is, and that in my opinion is honestly so cool... sasuga Raden-sama

as an art graduate myself I would be perplexed if i was asked something like that, but to my surprise, raden managed to answer that very nicely and easily to understand, sasuga raden

To put it as a pattern, proportional aesthetics involves equal division of shapes. For example, 3 is an aesthetic, natural number; if, say, a rectangle is divided into 3 parts-if those parts have the same/similar proportional dimensions as the whole, then that rectangle is proportionally aesthetic. It can also involve some sort of visual rhythm/flow/movement. I think our fingers are aesthetic shapes. Each segment is slightly shorter than the one previous of it, creating a visual rhythm; same when you relax them and they curl naturally, there's a visual rhythmic aesthetic to them. You can observe these patterns everywhere.

@unlimitedquickworks7387

23 күн бұрын

Yeah, I also think aesthetics is more related to nature and survival instinct than it is to personal taste

@zeihnwise4000

22 күн бұрын

imo aesthetic also can be imposed by daily objects if you encounter it often enough I personally choose rectangle no. 1 because I often find that aspect ratio in almost anywhere, e.g. A4 paper and I believe someone whose seeing a lot of scroll artwork or similar long rectangle ratio in their lives might choose rectangle no.3

I love how Raden is so well-informed! And how she gives a thorough, yet easy to understand answer to a fairly complex question! Also, thank you for the translations, you're doing an awesome job and it is very much appreciated!

Though i still don't really understand about the aesthetic, I do agree that novels is a brilliant learning source to study how we say/describe certain things

@totally_not_a_bot

23 күн бұрын

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

@sboinkthelegday3892

23 күн бұрын

It's bigoted. English culture smeared ALL romance langauge as "romantic novels" because English couldn't invent a concept for "romance" otherwise, and they refused to imagine there could be "unromantic" romance novels. None of those were imported because it didn't get housewives off. Same with anime, you don't call TMNT 1987 by TOEI, "anime", simply because it's another word you can't even say in Japanese, because the distinction of "real anime" literally just means smugly using foreign words as "the different kind" of the same thing. Anime IS animation. In Japan they just call Spongebob "anime". But USA wouldn't credit a "style" to authors like Ren adn Stimpy style, they just racialize the shonen style as "japanese" and pretend Doraemon looks the same "anime style" because everything from Japan is "anime", "japanese animation". But then you go "erm Panty adn Stocking is Western-inspired" so that all the credit keeps flowing westward, never back to creators like Ninjas influencing Batman and TMNT. And also Cowboy myth comes form Akira Kurosawa reimaginations like Magnificent Seven. USA has created none of that culture, just take it like Tex Mex food. How is Japan or Mexico foreign countries? They do your work, actual labor like fruit picking and animation industry. The only difference is, when those STATES don't get a federal vote, and you say "Mexicans aren't Americans, only OUR VOTE is The Americans". So states outside of the union don't even get gratned the identity of living ON this America continent or in the US economic sphere, despite producing MOST of its wealth, excluding petrodollar and Hollywood "aesthetics". Not having worker's rights across the border has you paint them as lesser humans.

@420StepsFromHell

21 күн бұрын

​@@sboinkthelegday3892 waaah waaaaaah waaaaaah

@mortenera2294

20 күн бұрын

@@sboinkthelegday3892 ...what the fuck are you talking about? Go take your meds

@youdonotcare

18 күн бұрын

@@sboinkthelegday3892what

For how hectic and high energy Raden is, she truly is an intellectual

Negative space goes hand in hand with silhouettes (in my opinion). It is like the subconscious of an artwork or film, even quiet moments in songs. Miyazaki has the interview discussing "ma", I believe, as in the time between the clapping of hands being just as important. It can be hard to think about while working on something but what will always give YOU the control of the feeling of what you want to do. Even if that means having little negative space to make it busy, or a lot to be serine or haunting. Cant have light without casting shadows or something philosophical humu humu.

This feels like a first meeting lecture for a college course.

Another reason that Hololive Production is the best in the industry. The talents are so much more than you would think by just looking at them. Examples: Suisei being an idol trailblazer, Sora being the progenitor to all of her company's talents, Gura being the reigning top vtuber in the world, and Raden being so knowledgeable about aesthetics, to name a handful off the top of my head. It is INCREDIBLE what lays just beneath the surface of the model on the screen. And credit where it's due, the staff and the fans are just as incredible. Even as a fan with no apparent talents to brag about, I feel both humble and proud by the work I see from the top of the company to the people that support it.

@user-pb3yv5uw5m

21 күн бұрын

The company owns the best war criminals, mad dogs, solve-all lions, and crazy pirate cosplayers.

I'm the few that pick number 3. I think it's because I love the 16:9 ratio in photography because it felt cinematic.

I wonder how Raden's vtuber model illustrator felt after being told that she was a curator

@SethAbercromby

23 күн бұрын

Raden is a true cultural juggernaut. History buff, former museum curator and rakugo apprentice. I'm honestly curious if she'd be able to perform rakugo on stream once she gets permission by her master to perform publicly.

I hate my brain that I like every choice equally. There goes my aesthetics sense o7

Wow what a massive question that Raden managed to distill and then further answer quite succinctly. I knew there was something i like about her design and even her name, but im fully on board now that ive learned how versed in art she is. Ichiban aesthete Raden!

whenever i watch a raden clip i always learn something new XD

Tqsm for taking time ur time to translate her explanation!!!

4:38 Vermeer's what 😭

When Raden asked about the three rectangles, I instantly thought 1 being the "correct answer", with my reason being that so many painters / artists use that ratio throughout history so it "must" be the "best". Maybe it has to do with how the ratio fits human portraits, whether it's the face, half or full body?

@youraverageguy4930

21 күн бұрын

It's more about how each rectangle uses their ratios to try to further enhance the composition of their respective paintings. Rectangle 1 tries to put as much focus on the subject. Divide the ractangle equally into 3 parts, and you'll have her face right between the 1st and 2nd segments from the top, and right in the 2nd/middle segment horizontally. This creates a sort of "hierarchy" that naturally leads the eye directly into the focal point of the painting - which is Lisa Gherardini's face (fun fact, her name isn't Mona Lisa) Rectangle 2 tries to emphasize the entirety of the scene depicted. The evenly sided rectangle still leaves a lot of empty space for the eye to wander around, but the composition still leads you to the Milkmaid. Unlike the Mona Lisa, the figure of the Milkmaid has too much contrast and wouldn't have a clear hierarchy if it used the 2:3 ratio. By adding a large empty space that drastically contrasts her (the wall) from the larger horizontal space provided by the 1:1 ratio, your eyes would naturally focus on the part with the most amount of information - which would be the figure of the Milkmaid. Rectangle 3 emphasizes The Hisen's (Waterfall) vertical-ness(?). It forces your eyes to focus on how the water flows from the top of the canvas down to the river below by eliminating any sort of horizontality from the composition. The only sort of empty space your eyes can wonder to are the clear waters below and the dark walls of the cliff, which is split by the waterfall which then takes you back to the clear waters again. It's all about how you want your viewers to perceive your painting and what aspect of it you want to emphasize. The 2:3 ratio that the Mona Lisa uses doesn't necessarily work for all paintings depicting human portraits. "The Desperate Man" by Gustave Courbet uses a nearly 1:1 ratio (45 x 54 cm) and uses the horizontal width provided (compared to the 2:3 ratio) to emphasize the subject's gesture and expression. It's all about what you want to show and how you want to show them.

@b.heaven9234

21 күн бұрын

@@youraverageguy4930 I am now more learned after reading this, thanks. Hmm, I suppose my gut feel was right about Rectangle 3. The long verticality really made me look at the long strip of waterfall, which I suppose is the point of the art. I totally had no idea about 2. Interesting that almost squares can would have your eyes wander... There is another shape not mentioned here though, the landscape. Longer horizontality that are perfect for, well, landscapes. Also, I'm thinking four legged beasts and multiple people

Hm i like 3 but 1 draws me in more. Something about it seems to be more aestheticaly pleasing. Raden: explains golden ratio Damn you jojo brainrot!!! Also I rarely see Raden clips but i always leave with a larger appreciation of art when she gets into the topic.

This stuff is super interesting, like I remember back in HS when I worked at a store and we had a bench inside that we let customers use. The back of the bench, one of the planks wasn't attached on one side and it made me think of the aesthetics of having it fixed vs as it was. As it was had a sort of homey charm and made me think of other settings it would fit in. On the other hand fixing it would make it look more pristine and stately in a sense. It's all a matter of how you want to look at it I think. This sort of makes young me feel validated in a sense.

This was very informative! I appreciate Raden taking the time to answer such interesting questions. Thank you for translating!

this is insanely good content, thank you!

That was very fun and even when watching at 2x I was fascinated at the tempo and timing.

thanks so much for translating this!

Hololive school classes and teachers Japanese class: Lui English class: Calli (former: Coco) German: Kiara Indonesian: Reine Math: Ollie Arts: Raden Geography: AZKi Cooking: Haachama(?)

@yong9613

23 күн бұрын

Lamy: alcohol appreciation Botan: firearms handling Nene: Natural history (beetle appreciation) Polka: Fine Arts, humour

@user-pb3yv5uw5m

21 күн бұрын

own language pekora

Raden is amazing. Thanks for the TL❤

amazing raden!

Interesting!

Damn I'd bring this method if I get called to lecture first semester design students

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

You're beautiful raden ❤

Raden is so smart !!!!😮

Aesthetics is a difficult topic to discuss, especially with laymen. Most people don't distinguish between what they like and what is beautiful.

Whoever wrote that message has a PhD in yap

i need this

Raden is so beautiful

❤

So what I'm getting from this clip is: Unlike how different sounds can illicit specific emotions regardless of cultural background, aesthetics are based on opinion? Different people perceive different things as beautiful/cool/nice, and there are multiple aesthetic components (shape, color etc.) that affect that perception. "Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder." Did I understand that correctly?

@mumtrz

24 күн бұрын

totally wrong, the only thing I'm getting from this clip is: Raden ctue and fnuuy 🥹

@ilied7130

24 күн бұрын

more simple one is " its subjective/ it depends "

@TakoArishi

24 күн бұрын

There's a bit more to it. She states that a lot of people chose shape 1, then shape 2. Shape 3 was the least by a significant margin. She also states that, upon revealing the artworks, some people change from the first artwork to the second. She leaves it implied, but there is something about a slightly-rectangular shape that is more pleasing than a square shape, and both are significantly more pleasing than a very vertical rectangular shape. Additionally, there's something about "The Milkmaid" painting that is more enticing/engaging than the "Mona Lisa". Then again, this assumes the three shapes are in a vacuum. If you put them in the real world, you'll put stuff around them, balancing colors and orientations to make their different qualities stand out without being too much. There are aesthetic qualities that are universal to most humans, and these things are what lead many people to choose certain qualities over others. However, some prefer quirky and nonstandard stuff.

@ViniuauCP

24 күн бұрын

Not aesthetics as a field, but our personal aesthetic is mostly our own opinion and preferences towards certain works. Then comes the long discussion about the objectivity vs. subjectivity of beauty. This has been a topic discussed for centuries, and while your quote is mostly true, there will be some scholars who disagree, and they discuss how beauty is objective with great depth and plausibility. Then, there will be scholars who'll flip this up and regard beauty as a social construct, or how the perceived beauty of the current age is a consequence of colonialism. Beauty has just way too many variables, definitely not a discussion for those who'd rather rely on more precise answers (me in my aesthetics class with a headache and missing math). The most straightforward answer is that both are true, but this is a rabbit hole on its own. Raden summed it up perfectly in my opinion.

@pramitpratimdas8198

23 күн бұрын

Sounds can also be specific to cultural background as well as specific to time period. Also some aesthetic elements can be universal as well.

Gyro : GOLDEN RATIO

If only I could understand her with my japanese level...

I'm sorry for my dirty mind when looking at those black bars...

i have a very long way to understand the aesthetic of art

Am I the only soul who picked 2? I mean, It looks pretty darn close to an actual square

6:54 xD

me, a thomas was alone player:

a e s t h e t i c

BTW the original letter is a little off. In other cultures minor notes are seen as cheery and major as sad, which is the opposite perspective of Western music world. How emotions are portrayed in music is actually pretty varied depending on the culture and it’s not that simple. Kind of like the whole Bouba/Kiki thing, where people mostly named the rounder shape Bouba and the sharper one Kiki, but that also wasn’t universally true for other isolated cultures with different languages. Reminds me of how Russian religious icons are also drawn differently. I think there really is no one certainty and that all assertions are theories and subject to different interpretations per culture Hoo boy what a tangent. Got reminded of it because everyone had different interpretations of the squares lol I last watched a Raden clip like months ago and I’m shocked at her voice lol. Bit of a gap with the model xD and a bit of a doozy watching this in 2x speed 😂😂

i like 2 because it's a proper "square", lmaoo

@elfireii328

22 күн бұрын

But its not a square

@rikkasummer2784

21 күн бұрын

@@elfireii328 you can say that to Raden

I'm here to nitpick about your video miniature: There is only one square in the miniature, the other two are rectangles.

I mean she's not wrong about beauty, but this guy was asking if there was a theory which could explain why certain things feel more pleasant than others regardless of culture and tastes in terms of visual art, just like it does with music, and... In fact there is, though I don't know if it has a name, it's based on biology and survival. Basically, everything is correlated with the way we humans adapted to survive in this world; when you create a frame and place lines, shapes, objects on it, you are creating a landscape, you are simulating a moment of observation. You usually don't think about it, but when you look at a picture or painting you go into observation mode. The human brain has adapted to search food and other resources in a way where Horizontal hierarchy is more important than vertical hierarchy, this is why most people find the square 1 to be more attractive, cause it has a higher probability of catching horizontal elements in the field. When observing the lands, man would gaze at the different elements in nature and those which where more importan than others would be at the center of it's POV, this is why, for a composition to look attractive, the most important elements should be placed near the center and all secondary elements can be scattered more evenly throughout the canvas. If youre observing something or someone, who's not in the center of your pov it feels awkward or unnerving. We also like balance in terms of information, that's why "hierarchy" is the right word for it, a composition looks better when it has different elements of different importance on it; if we where to express it in size, the least and most attractive composition has at least 3 elements of 3 different sizes, bigger elements placed near the center of the pov. Color also can express hierarchy, as red and yellow being two of the most exciting colors to look at. So in reality, the true meaning of aesthetics is about balance, order, and hierarchy of elements, which are placed inside a frame on a pleasant way. (I would be glad to debate it if any of you want)

@diabolictutor4567

23 күн бұрын

As an alternative hypothesis for shape (only), I'd say that humans generally prefer more 'moderate' shapes because we've created and become accustomed to a world full of moderate shapes (why we've created moderate shapes is a whole other discussion). We can sort-of test your hypothesis. We can have several rectangles of varied widths (but all heights are equal): #4 is extremely horizontal, #5 is moderately horizontal, and #6 is the definitely the least horizontal. I would predict that most people would prefer the one most moderate one, which would likely be #5. If I'm understanding your hypothesis correctly, you might predict #4, since it proportionally offers the most hunter-gathering relevant information. (also: according to your hypothesis(?), shouldn't most of the people have selected rectangle #2 since it's about as tall as #1, but actually wider?)

@unlimitedquickworks7387

20 күн бұрын

@@diabolictutor4567 yeah, I got the numbers wrong, so in reality it's more about the placement of different elements what matters the most, and we tend to like the golden ratio in terms of canvas proportions, wether it's horizontal or vertical biased. The n1 rule is balancing the elements inside of the canvas prioritizing horizontal axle. If you place a bunch of stuff higher or lower it can still look pleasant to the eye but placing many elements left or right leaving the other side almost empty feels weird.

I don't like this, this feel like attending a class

"You see, it starts with the Golden Ratio..." - Gyro 🥎