Every time I watch the news, I see the Bell Curve in full effect.

@Pickelmoon69

2 ай бұрын

Some things never change I guess.

@PBCBlount

Ай бұрын

So true.

@3d1e00

29 күн бұрын

I see the old Dunning-Kruger effect more than anything else. The hardest skill to learn is the skill to know when you don't have the skill. Sometimes the best thing a person can do is admit they cannot do it.

@willharriman1881

6 күн бұрын

@@3d1e00 You seem to be confused! If a person lacks a specific skill, it is possible to LEARN said specific skill. Obviously, a short person cannot LEARN to be tall! However, a person with a very small vocabulary can certainly LEARN additional vocabulary words. A person's knowledge and skills can definitely be improved. IQ test scores have limited importance. Improved education is far more important!

@3d1e00

6 күн бұрын

@@willharriman1881 I was highlighting the difficulty a person has in evaluating their own skill. I replied to the bell curve example as I believe, and have experienced in relatively frequent occurrence of people over estimating their capabilities, thus dunning Kruger reference. You can only learn something if you know you need to learn it. If you want to talk about the iq thing and whether you can truly teach anything to anyone (within reason) then I would be really happy to talk about it. I struggle with it daily and have spent years and years trying to learn better ways to portray ideas and concepts. I have failed at this on many occasions. To be honest at this point I no longer believe all members of our species have the same intellectual capacity or potential. Be this cultural, genetic, or caused by some other reason I do not know. But we need to think about it as a species and be kind while doing it. If we are seriously going to shut down scientific conversations about pseudo taboo concepts without actually evaluating them I struggle to see how we can move forwards. If you come back and say you don't have a problem learning new things, good for you. What about everyone else?

It blows my mind how weak minded people are about race and IQ. Why do you need to believe that every single group of people are exactly equal, when it's so demonstrably false?

@DKFX1

7 жыл бұрын

The research Murray has done specificly demonstrates average group differences, phosphoric.

@stonetrouble5053

7 жыл бұрын

I have a strong mind and can never trust left-handed vegetarians with a broken leg. This group! They are dragging us down, weak minded. What a paradise this would be without them!

@MrNiggle123

7 жыл бұрын

stonetrouble This isn't about genocide, it's about liberals looking at group differences in income, employment, etc. and chalking up inequality to "white privilege". Race and IQ explains the world far more coherently and it means we can stop blaming whitey for everything.

@KB5RYE

7 жыл бұрын

It contradicts the liberal narrative that everyone is infinitely malleable via education. That personality, personal identity and IQ can all be remade to their ideal if you just lecture people enough.

@jackvai2681

7 жыл бұрын

IQ tests measure intellectual potential...with potential being the operative segment of that term.

Real life is the biggest indicator for truth. I live outside of a major city, and you can see the disparity whenever you go downtown. I took the metro to a baseball game, all you see at the station are my people (blacks) either panhandling, playing music/dancing, or standing around smoking. On the commute it's all uppity whites internally fearful but having to subconsciously pretend it's due to the poverty or slavery. On the train we'll be the loudest and most disruptive, but whites have to keep quiet because they fear being called racist. We arrive at the stadium (in the most gentrified area) and its all blacks bargaining waters, hats, tickets, and whites give them money either out of guilt or shame. In the stadium its whites in the press boxes and office rooms while blacks do the most simple jobs like punch your ticket or pass out beers. Its just fascinating to me how unnatural the interactions are. More so how much we go thru life lying to ourselves about reality and why things are the way they are. I feel 2nd hand embarrassment when I'm in the city because they look at me and instantly play the white guilt complex or expect me to internally hate them, or act like the rest. Its like we've been fed lies about reality to shield our emotions, and if you don't believe the lie then you're evil, heartless, etc. I think the phrase is moralistic fallacy, but public opinion is definitely the most powerful thing in a democratic, heterogeneous society.

@beverlyhurd8556

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for telling it like it is, James. Stating facts is all you are doing. If a White person were to have wrote what you did a certain idiot here would have denounced you calling you a racist. For some reason he hates the truth and would rather prove himself to be a liar. Thank God not all are like him.

@tomyocom5886

5 ай бұрын

James, I feel yuh, And I love this observation. I think these two guys are happy with these STUDIES by WHOMEVER because they are on the right side of the CURVE.. Seems like a club, the 80/20 club all over the world make the rules for that particular STUDY.

@bloodaonadeline8346

4 ай бұрын

100%

@bloodaonadeline8346

4 ай бұрын

@@tomyocom5886i’m sorry are you saying there is no correlation between race and IQ?

@LizaFan

2 ай бұрын

"subconsciously pretend it's due to the poverty or slavery" lmao

Wake up people ,we are different .

@karabomothupi9759

4 жыл бұрын

@@ricardoluque1931 lies. Black people were oppressed

@sadpixel8533

4 жыл бұрын

karabo mothupi you just proved his point, tragically

@karabomothupi9759

4 жыл бұрын

@@sadpixel8533 How you Neanderthal?

@ricardoluque1931

4 жыл бұрын

@Roy Rogers all I'm saying is that white lions are better faster and strong than the old boring yellow lion. IQ100000000

@karabomothupi9759

4 жыл бұрын

@Tyler Durden true

As a white European man, I have no problem with science showing Eastern Asians on average being smarter than "my" group. And Ashkanasi Jews being smarter than Eastern Asians, on average.

@LiViro1

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, as they say; there is a lot more variation within groups than between groups.

@Benaddicted11trkfbal

7 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you still have to say its cultural in the end though? Jews are semites, they are genetically similar to those in the fertile crescent. Yet arabs and palestinians have iqs in the 80s while ashkenazi jews are 115 averages. They outscore they northerners which are supposed to be the smartest.

@ThePlatinumMatt

7 жыл бұрын

Saying "who gives a fuck there's variation" is exactly on point, and probably the simplest way to put it lol.

@daniescheepers3812

7 жыл бұрын

Until you have Jacob Zuma in South Africa as your president!

@ThePlatinumMatt

7 жыл бұрын

@Dominique Bender you're making a horrible assumption about "smart people", without backing it up at all. Surely you're smart enough to know that you need to prove that shit without just saying "A SMRT GUY WAS BAD!111111!!!!1!"

Still trying to figure out why people on my campus called him a white supremacist. Seems like at worst he is just a contraversial social scientists who is asking taboo questions.

@Savantt7

7 жыл бұрын

If you don't believe all of the values of the current ideology of social justice then you are a racist apparently.... get a grip college students :p

@adidas198

7 жыл бұрын

He is talking about people having inferior intelligence because of their race. Most people show IQ lists of countries and conclude that because European countries have higher IQ it's because of their race.....somehow not taking into account that African and Middle Eastern countries are poorer, have less schools and therefore less education which will lower the scores of whatever tests they take.

@DKFX1

7 жыл бұрын

Because Western Educational Systems have been infiltrated by psychotic marxist lefties who proliferate pure emotional lunacy.

@schecter1425

7 жыл бұрын

Clearly you haven't read the book if you think he didn't take that into account. And to be honest I haven't read the whole thing, but I have read enough of it, specifically the controversial chapters, to know that your statement is false.

@noahwhite6661

7 жыл бұрын

Except when you listen to the data, even when all of those things are accounted for there is still a difference. If if had to do strictly with the differences in economy in these countries, why do we see that Asian's score higher than Europeans despite being from poorer countries on average? These studies are accounting for what you want, you're just dismissing it before you even read it.

We need to be honest about race and stop fearing the discussion

@jorgecallico9177

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Academia keeps trying to fit these square pegs into round holes. Instead of trying to raise the intellect of the lower scoring people? Perhaps we should make jobs for them that better fit their abilities. We've been doing this a bit by putting blacks into transportation type jobs. Bus driver, train operator etc. Yet this trend should continue. Plus it's much more likely to succeed.

@jbhrs

4 жыл бұрын

Roy Rogers oh of course not Neil de grasse Tyson is a smart guy smarter than me I’m just saying we don’t need to shy away from study this type genetics

@jbhrs

4 жыл бұрын

Roy Rogers well that’s not really to true their are many biological differences though minor they are result to short term adaptation. white people are more likely to get skin cancer because they lack melanin to protect them from the sun but white skin was an adaptation to cloudy cold climate, so white skin can absorb for vitamin D from the atmosphere than darker skin can. Europeans are more vulnerable to skin cancer. Caucasians which includes Europeans, middle easterns, Iranian, North Africans, and even Indians have more Neanderthal genetics, there is a racial and gender difference in the blood brain barrier (BBB) which protect brain from toxins in the blood, women have thicker BBB because they have to carry a child that creates more toxins in the body during the process. black people, on average, have thinner BBB than white people which leads them to be more vulnerable to toxins. Native Americans unlike Europeans cannot process alcohol like we can, this is why alcohol is such a big problem for Native Americans today. Hispanic people can’t process high fructose corn syrup as well as Europeans and Africans this makes them more vulnerable to obesity in America, because in many other nations they use real cane sugar instead of cheap corn gunk we use here. A large portion of the world that do not have Caucasian genetics are lactose intolerant because only Caucasian people really have a history of drinking animal milk. African people on average have more high twitch muscle fibers than all the other people this is why majority of medal winning runners are African. Also why they on average are superior athletically, theirs a lot we can learn and explain from these genetic studies and to just burry our heads in sand and avoid the topic isn’t productive or helpful for anyone. We all agree that we want to live in society where we’re all treated equal by the law I know that something we can all agree regardless of genetic differences.

@jbhrs

4 жыл бұрын

Jorge Callico no let people get they job that they’re best qualified for, I’m not calling to assign jobs based on racial characteristics this would be horrible to do We all agree that we want to live in society where we’re all treated equal by the law I know that something we can all agree regardless of genetic differences.

@jbhrs

4 жыл бұрын

Roy Rogers true but races in one form or another are geographic families so there’s no fineline of genetic differences but “races” refer to the different gene pools of the same species. Gene pools are different because of geographical location or environment for example human gene pool of Europe is a gene pool because they share a multitude of traits such as facial structure and white skin that is an environmental adaptation to colder sunless environment this goes same for gene pool from Africa that has more darker skin to protect them from equator sun rays. “Race” is simply a synonym for gene pools; these gene pools are not genetically different enough to be considered different species

"we're doing enormous harm to young people by making it harder to treat them as individuals" You hit the nail on the head there buddy. I don't want to be tokenized or mistreated based on my group identity. I don't want to be judged, accepted or rejected based on group identity. I certainly don't want to make a habit of judging others based on any superficial category they might fit into

I'm a black person and I have to say about his book, I don't see why people reacted so violently to it. It seems very rational, objective and not racially biased. As a society we need open discussions not intimidation and suppression of valid ideas. I can see why they stuck to the data and only made the most obvious A clearly implies B kind of arguments, or people would go up in arms, and also the talk would last 6 hours and devolve into a quagmire of metaphysical abstraction and boredom. When you talk about intelligence, there are a lot of metaphysical ideas that you need to tackle if you want a solid thesis. Wish I could say the talk was very informative, it confirmed my own views in a way however I do have a couple of remarks: 1- Something they didn't talk about (I assume because of how much there is to say about it) is the intrinsic potential of the human mind. I'm willing to bet that if you put an average (Western) guy from today into the 1300s, he would be the smartest human being alive by far, and any IQ test would prove that. But today he is just average not because his brain is more advanced in any way, it's not genetic or biological, or even dietary, it's about access to information. That's what I think most intelligent people who argue for universal equality are arguing for. If you extrapolate into the future it's almost certain that with advancing technology an average person 500 years from now will be far smarter than even the smartest person alive. What I'm trying to say is the potential of the human mind has not been explored in great detail, and until we know that we can't say someone is smarter intrinsically, because you haven't controlled for all the variables. 2- As for black people, we are incredibly genetically diverse, and you can't call all black people the same race any more than I can call Europeans, East Asians and Arabs the same race just because they have the same skin colour. There are more genetic differences between individual Africans than between Africans and anyone else. I know it's hard to tell the differences if you haven't been to Africa, so I won't count it as a major flaw, just an observation that people tend to lump all black-skin people into one group when it's incredibly diverse genetically. Finally, It's a shame human beings are limited to speech to communicate, it's pretty crude and slow an leaves a lot of room for miscommunication. I can tell they both have far more knowledge on this issue than they simply can't express in a reasonable amount of time. Speaking of thought, I think the ultimate proof of the pudding for intelligence potential is directly measuring the processing power and capacity, both current and potential. I don't know how you would do this, maybe the number of thoughts per minute or the electrical signal activity, but activity alone doesn't mean intelligence as I'm sure a crack head brain is firing much faster than a normal person but their thoughts are very low quality for the most part, so you need to somehow weigh thought quality and thought speed and perhaps other things I'm neglecting. The problem with measured intelligence like IQ scores is you can argue all damn day about different variables that can't be controlled for. Someone who's never had the privilage of going to school to learn maths won't do well on math-based IQ questions, likewise someone who went to a good school will likely do much better in IQ tests simply because they learnt a lot of the skills the IQ test tests for.

@sweeterscience83

7 жыл бұрын

Phil W Your analogy about the man from today being transported to the 1300s was addressed in the interview- this is called the Flynn affect. Also, you mentioned that blacks people are incredibly diverse. While I have no hard numbers to go by, I think the same point can be made for caucasians and Asians. Both races have many subsets within them that greatly diversify the pool of IQ data yet still fall under the umbrella of "race". Finally, there are many flaws with the IQ test as you mentioned. However, the greatest argument for its credibility is its predictive validity. Those who do well on the IQ test, on a long enough time scale, will show greater rates of success in life. IQ and race match a scatter plot overlay of income, assets, and education with precision when comparing races. The core of his assertion on predictive validity is largely bolstered by these metrics.

@philw5699

7 жыл бұрын

OK; let me -answer- address each of these in turn: 1- My assertion was, the diversity within black people is so great that many black people are far more closely related to Europeans and East Asians than to other blacks people. If you can draw a line on a page with the width representing a genetic continuum and place bars where each race starts and begins (there can be gaps as well), you will see that for Africans, the end that is closest to the Whites and East Asians is far closer to them than it is to the other end of what is considered black, and the genetic differences between whites and East Asians are *far smaller* than the differences among black people themselves, yet they are considered separate races and blacks people are *one single race*. As you said, with diversity in genetics comes a similar diversity in intelligence and blacks have the greatest diversity of all the "races". This diversity is unexplored, but I would like to know for sure if there actually are significant differences within African ethnicities. 2- I'm not arguing the validity of the IQ test itself. What I'm arguing is, and I'm glad you made me clarify this in my own mind, that there is a difference in saying "race A scores higher than race B" and then asserting that the difference is genetic. It might well be genetic, but until you control for everything else (including your definition of race), you can't say that the underlying basis for this difference is genetic. As Sam Harris likes to say, science is built on rigor, and the first thing you learn in any decent science class is the importance of controlling for variables, and if you can't control for them understand them fully and adjust your results based on the most probable ways they affected the experiment. In this instance, Charles Murray conceded that he can't control for all the variables, that he doesn't know what all the variables are, and yet without making it clear that this is not a scientifically solid finding, go on to make extraordinary and broad statements about race. I know social sciences are not held up to the same standard as physics or chemistry, but come on! They could have added an asterisk. 3- No, this is not the flynn effect. The flynn effect covers a span of time in which the fundamental teaching methods and the basic nature of what students are taught remained very similar, at least for white kids. Please allow me to explain how that is *fundamentally* not the same as from 1300s Europe to today: Access to information has dramatically changed due to the internet, however I believe you get diminishing returns at some point as you switch over from most of a person's intelligence being defined by their lack of *knowledge* (1300s Europe, parts of modern day Africa) to it being determined primarily by their ability to use that information to solve problems. To this end for instance, you see a far smaller gap between East Asia and Europe (problem solving gap) where individuals have similar amounts of information and the main difference is simply how much more practice East Asians in general get at solving problems, just look up South Korean study habits and compare them to Norway which is only slightly lower in IQ to see what I mean. This difference in my view explains the gap. It's not that East Asians are intrinsically or genetically more intelligent than Norwegians, they just practice a lot more at the kinds of things that make you better at taking IQ tests. The gap between Europe/East Asia/White America etc and Sub Saharan Africa is much, *much* bigger. BUT, and I know this might seem preposterous to a lot of white people at first, I don't think your average African is that much different in intelligence to your average white person in terms of their mental capacity, the difference is mostly in *attainment*. My reason for making that claim is I've lived in both Kenya and Norway for years, and as an outside observer I have had plenty of time and opportunity to observe ( mostly inside bedroom closets ;) ) the reality for myself. So I'm speaking from some personal experience not simply speculation or wishful thinking. I can say with *complete certainty* that a similarly educated Rwandese or Kenyan will be just as smart as your average European or Asian. The IQ scores overall are dragged down by the huge number of people with very little or no education, and in some cases malnutrition which can cause severe mental retardation. It's absolutely *not fair* to compare an Ivy League student to a starving kid whose brain got stumped due to malnutrition on the same test and use the results to claim that white people are smarter than black people. Yes they are smarter at the moment, but you have to be careful to add that this does not have any bearing on genetic differences, it's primarily nutritional and informational differences, and in the case of the gap between East Asians and Europeans, it's primarily cultural not genetic differences. The issue here is confirmation bias, specifically the tendency for white people to assume they are genetically more intelligent than other races when in fact the gap is as I said primarily in the education, nutrition and not least cultural ethic towards education. These are all things can, like the gap between 1300s Europe and Europe today, can be corrected. But until that's done and people have *equal footing* in terms of access to information, access to proper nutrition and so on, it's completely not fair to make the comparison any more than I can go to a little kid and claim I'm stronger than him. I think a fair comparison if you wanted to see the real difference in racial IQ scores would be to control for environment, make sure each side of the sample is in the same situation economically which I see no indication they tried to do with regards to Africa, and make sure to separate the African races (Cushite, Bantu, Khoi-San and West African) which not only are genetically more different than say East Asians and Europeans, their languages, cultures and histories are equally different.

@sweeterscience83

7 жыл бұрын

Phil W I largely agree with your points, however, some of what you're saying was addressed in the interview. For example, I believe that they acknowledge environmental factors have a great impact on realizing genetic potential. Furthermore, I think an argument for the Flynn affect can still be made in your analogy, though i do concede that your clarification of that analogy does differentiate from that theory. All other point I fully agree with. I think it's very much worth exploring the impact of structure and environment on IQ. However, this poses the question: how and why have some structures proven so much more superior throughout the world and how can we prevent lagging areas in the future?

@philw5699

7 жыл бұрын

The impact of structure and environment immense: It is as large as the difference between Oxana Malaya, the Ukranian girl raised by dogs who mimics them and has trouble forming sentences, and Susan Polgar, the girl raised to be a chess grandmaster. Human beings are (much more than any other animal) utterly reliant on society not just for their physical needs, but for their mental development. I'm not denying that some people have a natural aptitude for logical thinking, creativity, imagination or any other intellectual activity, however I personally believe that we haven't even come close to developing a system which takes people to saturation point for the capacity of the human mind to understand, i.e we are not operating at maximum ability. Because of this, even the most genetically "mediocre" person born today could be raised to become a prodigy in any field, be it music or math, literature or philosophy, it doesn't matter, our education system does not fully capitalize on each individual's capacity to learn. I don't think there is much you can do in terms of social restructuring other than explain to people how valuable and enjoyable a good education is and promoting educated people as heroes and icons as opposed to the Kardashians. Something I find very troubling is how a lot of black people in America genuinely think education is for unattractive nerdy scrawny guys who can't play ball or whatever, that attitude desperately needs to be reversed somehow. I don't have much hope for this generation of African Americans, but perhaps it's possible to hook their kids using the natural curiosity that every child is born with but in African American "hood" culture is dissuaded or perversely channeled into other areas, and instead find a way to nurture it. The internet is a very powerful tool for this, you need only to pull one string. If a person is curious about the world, intellectual pursuits stop becoming a chore and start becoming a pleasurable pastime, and from there, with a little guidance, almost anyone can make the sacrifices necessary to go into higher education and become a valuable member of society. In terms of lagging areas globally, I see two major problems: Africa and the Middle East. The Middle East is strange because it's not that they don't want to be smarter, nor is it a lack of resources, it's this obscene cluster of irrelevant data which they spend years hammering into their kids heads in "madrassa" called the Koran. It functions like a chain ball to their intelligence, and the practice of putting kids in what amounts to religious recital classes instead of opening their minds to new ideas is what keep them lagging behind. I don't know what can be done to solve this problem. Africa is just a matter of economic under-development. As I mentioned, I grew up there, and I did not get the same education you probably did in terms of quality or quantity of ideas and interesting problems to open my mind. Frequently you had 40-50 kids in a class yelling louder than a motorcycle engine next to your ear, made it very difficult to concentrate. On the plus side I developed an ability to block out the outside world and focus on reading novels or whatever else. You also had kids sharing desks, books, pencils, cruel and stupid teachers etc. Those kids did not get a quality education at all. But the education style was in principle the same as here in the West; Math, English, Geography, Science, History etc, it's just the quality was very bad. So in most of Africa, people are learning things without religious interference at least for now. So if you want to prevent this area from falling behind, the best tool again is the internet, access to information that they simply don't have at the moment. Some tech companies are starting to roll out cheap internet access in specific areas, time will tell if this changes things. Ultimately I'm very excited about Elon Musk's new venture, Neural Link, which hopes to invent a device called the nurallace. I'm an avid fan of Iain Banks sci-fi series and Elon got the idea from there to build essentially a direct cortical connection to the computer, allowing thought-speed connection from machine to human and vice versa, and probably human to human eventually. Imagine being able to download something like the understanding you gained from watching this podcast directly, without having to wait the 40 minutes it takes for us to move our mouth parts in the right order to convey these ideas. We also won't be bandwidth limited to using these stubby sausages to push little buttons in order to input something in a computer. It's fantastic, and if it's realized will fundamentally change our ideas of intelligence, learning and maybe even individuality and death. I alluded to this earlier when I said I wanted to tap into Sam Harris's mind directly.

@sweeterscience83

7 жыл бұрын

Phil W your balanced perspective is refreshing. Kudos to you for pursuing truth through reason instead of emotion. I actually enjoyed reading your comments.

they dont like to touch on this subject because it explains a lot of difference in outcome

@chrisp4908

3 жыл бұрын

Lol no it doesn’t. You’re establishing a causal link when there isn’t one.

@spencer5028

3 жыл бұрын

They prefer blaming White ppl for everything

@itskelvinn

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisp4908 how is it not causal? The single best predictor that an employer can use if they only had one metric is IQ. They mention that before they even talk about tace

@alistairnunes7107

3 жыл бұрын

@RoLodge Hotels & Resorts as always instead of looking at your own flaws you blame the ones who were more successful than you (whites and Asians) for your own failures. Just like gentiles blamed and continue to blame the Jews.

@alistairnunes7107

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisp4908 correlation may not be causality but it definitely suggests causality. Bill Gates states from his own experience at Microsoft that the best predictor of a performance of an engineer is the IQ. He definitely knows what he is talking about

Murray’s final remark is absolutely poetic.

Things that affect IQ; Genetics (pic smart spouses ladies) Environment (nutrition is nowhere near where it needs to be omg) Training (meditators and musicians regularly score higher than those who don't do those things)

@LemonLimes99

2 жыл бұрын

Iodine. Dr. Jorge Flechas did work on this. It makes children brilliant. If every child took enough iodine, a lot of these problems would be non-issues.

@juanzavala9023

Жыл бұрын

You’re confusing causation vs correlation in your last one

"Cultural bias" I am sick to death of people trying to push the idea that all cultures are of equal value. Some cultures are superior to others; that's what I know to be true, so it's a bias I can live with.

@russg1801

7 жыл бұрын

Correct. Western culture based on the reasoning methods of Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates - after whom the Socratic Method is named - has proven to be a vastly superior system for raising society's living standards.

@fluxstandard8364

7 жыл бұрын

A key example of how this was true is with the German NAZI party. They were elite - well maybe not as they lost the war and didn't use their great IQ to win. Maybe it's a case of sadness. Maybe the Germans are cleaver just their ability of winning wars is far lower than that of them starting wars. Meh America actually do better than Germany here.

@S2Cents

7 жыл бұрын

Flux, it took the United States, Great Britain, France, the Soviet Union, and others, to defeat Nazi Germany. The more you look into WW2 history the more awesome the Germans look.

@brownj2

7 жыл бұрын

The more you look at it the more you realize that the Soviets were going to beat the Germans without any help.

@Tethloach1

7 жыл бұрын

If Germany + Japan attacked the USSR on two fronts it would have collapsed. Germany couldn't touch great Britain even more impossible for it to reach the USA. The USSR was hard enough for Germany to force to submission. Large land = supply chains stretched too thin. Crossing the ocean= Naval superiority goes to the one who needs it most aka British. crossing the pacific or Atlantic to fight on another continent is just impossible against an experienced USA. Nazism= magical thinking. USA> British> USSR > Germany> Japan. the 5 powerful nations in world war two from most to least. If the USA didn't fight, and the British didn't join and Germany and japan teamed up the USSR would have been finished. why did the Germans lose magical thinking, and trying to do more than humanly possible against experienced Nations. You have to spend a lot of resources to fight a large war, France was not mentally prepared for war, everyone else was.

Saying whites are smarter than black and have a higher I.Q. is no more racist than saying blacks are better athletes. Different races have different abilities. Just because the truth is not always what you want to hear does not mean it is not true or makes the person saying it a racist.

@robto

7 жыл бұрын

Luke mccoy Are black really naturally better athletes?

@mickmc1705

7 жыл бұрын

Minkki82 exactly, well said.

@paigejane173

7 жыл бұрын

There's empirical evidence that suggest african americans are better athletes? Source?

@mackhomie6

7 жыл бұрын

Joshua I. ESPN.

@NaumRusomarov

6 жыл бұрын

"Blacks" are not better at sports, that's a stupid American-centric overgeneralization; certain people coming from very specific parts of East Africa are excellent runners. You can't just take any random person from Africa or Harlem, put them on a treadmill and expect them to out-best everyone else. And for the record, we don't really know why exactly runners from East Africa are such good runners, genetics is one possible explanation but there are many other equally valid theories such as environmental and cultural.

things to keep in mind that can't be stated clearly enough: 1) average performance implies nothing about an individual 2) an individual's performance implies nothing about the average 3) small differences in average performance can have a large effect on overall performance/competitive performance (the smaller the winner's pool, the more it is representative of the group with a higher average performance) 4) average and overall performance can affect the individual at the social and psychological level in a positive or negative way.

@paullangford8179

4 жыл бұрын

Intelligence and worthiness have little relationship. There are a lot of intelligent arseholes.

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

That's some of the most boring trite and not needed common sense point by point commentary I've read in a long time, goes without saying garbage that really is largely inaccurate in the bigger picture anyway... when of course averages and individual scores are all inclusive in the big picture, in any type of dynamic multivariate thinking... To merely point out that there is a distribution and one data point is not some microcosm representative of the whole hardly needs saying, stupid

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

1. Individual performance represents a fraction of the representative sampling, and thus indicates a percentage above or below the mean

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

1. Average performance indicates something about the individual, He is close to the median if not exactly on the median given equal proportions above and below him

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

3. Gaps in the metrics are huge between humans, Any small difference up or down from the average is overlooked compared to the top of the class or the bottom... Disproportionate gaps represent the elite, not some small difference in the averages one way or the other... Relative comparisons can be perception

Treat people as individuals. That's my takeaway. Group differences are meaningless.

@landofthesilverpath5823

2 жыл бұрын

@@sinatra222 250 years of Europeans uplifting and giving technology, medicine, learning, to the rest of the world, and causing an explosion in the population, life expectancy, literacy, and education levels of the planet, is not oppression. The world, if anything, owes the west. Big time.

what isn't a taboo on the left?

@magnus08f250

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Coles anything against whites people

@jlrinc1420

5 жыл бұрын

@@brainbomb9482 Actually the new atheist movement is almost entirely populated by the reactionary right. The progressive movement generally sees religion as a force for good in the world.

@jlrinc1420

5 жыл бұрын

@@brainbomb9482 Harris is a right winger, hitchens pinker they are all right wing reactionaries.

@jlrinc1420

5 жыл бұрын

@@brainbomb9482 Look at what Harris supports. He supported the Iraq war. Racial profiling ,torture, He supports the Israeli occupation, Racial disparities are caused by genetics, Everything he says is a right wing talking poin. All of those four horsemen are right wingers. Even Pinker defends the neo liberal status quo, thinks we are living in the least violent times thinks US power is used constructively. No progressive believes any of the things these atheists say.

@BlacksmithTWD

5 жыл бұрын

Accepting logical fallacies as an argument?

Murray forgot to figure Mr. O's mummer was as wit as snoooo 23:40

@TommyGunz327

4 ай бұрын

Not to mention that Obama isn’t extremely intelligent. He has around an IQ of 130 or so.

Could someone please direct me to where I can find how to implement the sort of audio waveform capability used in this video?

As a possible answer as to "why does this matter:" My high school's biggest problem, according to the administration, was the achievement gap between whites and blacks. The white students tended to score higher on average on standardized tests than the black students. If it's true that the black students were just on average not as smart, and there were very few factors in the school environment at play, they were being set up for failure. They were being told to compete with white students and then being treated with disappointment when they failed. The school put tons of effort into trying to "fix" the social landscape of the school to cater more to black students. I can imagine that environment would have made me detest school and made me feel like I was the problem the school wanted to fix.

@mrsgolden6526

4 жыл бұрын

@spot light and what are all these factors, especially when it comes to the parents, influenced by? They are all influenced by how smart people are, in other words their IQ

@agtrherhger484

4 жыл бұрын

It matters because the left thinks it doesnt

@WaterMan-ss6eb

3 жыл бұрын

Relax everyone is getting a trophy !

@laurentfortier5442

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooooooo ooo

@shin-ishikiri-no

2 жыл бұрын

Many Asians have experienced the same living among whites.

Charles Murray is one of very few wo/men who are able to sympathize us for what we go through everyday with virtually EVERYONE "assuming" that my now 6-year old so called "black" daughter doesn't deserve to be where she is at, even though she scored 99 percentile in the both G & T (IQ) tests, getting into Anderson School in NYC and many private schools. Everytime I try to tell them that she does deserve to be at an elite school, a white male or female democrats would insist that she is there because of affirmative action. If your childs IQ score is very high, and have interesting, passionate and caring parents, private schools will compete with other schools to get your child to come to their school. Yes, it's ONLY BECAUSE of my daughter's skin COLOR, EVERYONE assumes she didn't score 99 percentile.

@giddygiddy85

7 жыл бұрын

you mean she got 99 on her IQ test. IQ tests dont measure by % . I got 100% if i go by yo rules

@MegOkuraJazz

7 жыл бұрын

I mean the G & T test.

@melbatoast6403

7 жыл бұрын

Affirmative action is built on the concept that blacks cannot compete with whites on a level playing field, so the bar must be lowered for them. Trouble is when you lower the bar for a group, you are basically encouraging them not to try, as well as announcing to everyone else that the members of that group are lesser people.

@flipshod

7 жыл бұрын

But you have proof of your daughter's test scores. And to the extent that she is allowed into elite education based on those scores, then the system's working as it should. (Although I would suggest that your parenting is of utmost importance in the equation).

@MegOkuraJazz

7 жыл бұрын

Murray's point was that he sympathize people like us. Even though my so-called "black" daughter and the whole family actually worked very hard (when she was only four years old), because of the prevalence of affirmative action, EVERYONE likes to assume otherwise. However, I believe things will get better as she gets older as she will have many opportunities to prove everyone wrong. I am so tired of bigotry of low expectation by the left. Meritocracy is the only way for blacks to succeed, yet democrats get in the way because they truly believe that black people cannot compete.

Thank you both for having this conversation.

The 100m dash doesn't indicate how fast you are. It only indicates how good you are at running the 100m dash.

@ComradeOgilvy1984

3 жыл бұрын

And if you ask Jamaican running coaches, they will explain that sprinting is a skill that is trained and honed through practice (the environment), as well as requiring physical strength which can be improved through work (the environment). Outsiders throw up their hands and say "Wow! Those Jamaicans are just miraculously fast". Jamaicans understand it differently, that they love running and races, and start training and racing from a young age. They became the best in the world by not looking to genetics.

@cooldudecs

3 жыл бұрын

Huh? It’s genes...

@ilikepancakes2368

3 жыл бұрын

@Charles Maybe because there aren’t that many Asian athletes?

@NotAfraidToQuestionThings

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilikepancakes2368 In 2019, approximately 7.13 million people participated in major running sport events held in China. Also in 2019, there were 2.9 million living Jamaicans.

@sineadbridges

8 ай бұрын

@@ComradeOgilvy1984ok now apply that to particle physics…..

I have been an educational therapist for 25 years, teaching clients one-on-one. I review and tailor my instruction based on cognitive (IQ) testing ... I also have a degree in mathematics and have taught that. The fact is most Americans have poor/weak math skills (NAEP testing reports that only 25% of high school seniors are rated as "proficient" in math ... that has been my experience as a math teacher too) ... IQ test scores are based on Statistics ... few people understand Statistics ... even many college educated and professional people ... Hence IQ testing is grossly misunderstood by the public!

@jamesbedukodjograham5508

2 жыл бұрын

Statistics is a very understanding subject to study at the College level,

@fipbip2794

10 ай бұрын

😂 good god

@granthurlburt4062

6 ай бұрын

What? @@jamesbedukodjograham5508

@EnglishEvolution

4 ай бұрын

I think anyone who has interacted with the public would intuit this

@proudatheist2042

24 күн бұрын

Thank you for your insight.

Not much you can do about the IQ with which you were born. But values, discipline, and work ethic can take you almost anywhere you want in life. In college, I was surrounded by some really high IQ individuals, but with my work ethic, attitude, and values, I was able to get my engineering degree even if it took me longer. So IQ doesn't always equal fate.

@dayonmage3946

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, it does. Respectfully disagree. She works in subtle ways, that Mother Nature.

@ImmanuelR2

5 жыл бұрын

Point is, it took you longer. So the high iq people beat you and there was nothing you could do about it regardless of your personality, environment, etc. So getting beaten by them was your fate.

@bjrnn.2689

4 жыл бұрын

What if your IQ was 70... Would you still be able to reach the same goal ?

@thewandering525

4 жыл бұрын

Work ethic, values and discipline are genetic too and correlate with IQ.

@shawndeagan7457

4 жыл бұрын

IQ is a failed concept. Does not measure what it claims and never will.

Conversely some people can be extremely intelligent but not very creative. Knowledge is found on the back of tinkerers.

@originalbillyspeed1

5 жыл бұрын

For example: me I score about 120 (gifted category) on IQ tests, yet my creativity is infinitesimally small. In structured and strict schools (schedule and expectations), I thrive. In schools where there is a lack of clear expectations on performance, I fail miserably. Perhaps that is due to motivation issues. However, my least favorite and worst subjects follow the curve of how much creativity is involved.

@JorisBogaerts

3 жыл бұрын

Creative tinkerers can be very interesting to watch though the results can be rather spectacular in odd and dangerous ways. If you don't get this statement might I direct you too the book "Ignition" by John D. Clark about the early days of the Nasa rocket development. Those guy were brilliant, creative and a bloody menace to everything around them!

@janick01ify

3 жыл бұрын

@@originalbillyspeed1 I find that the people who are most successful have Multi-variant talent and are extroverts. Smart doesn’t make you money proving that your useful that makes you money, not only useful, but consistent My brother is successful for these reasons while I am a complete disappointment to myself and those who love me. They don’t tell me that, but truth is usually not explicitly stated, as this podcast reviles. I don’t know what my point is, but good luck to us. Perhaps google “jobs for people that don’t like people” since you have a 120 IQ you will be capable of most of those jobs. My measly 100 or so can not, so maybe you can use my idea, since I cannot.

@soulfuzz368

3 жыл бұрын

True but the unintelligent tinkerers probably accomplish a lot less

@wilmer89

3 жыл бұрын

Creativity is mostly related to openness to experience

I'm so damned intelligent that I turned the volume off and was able to understand this interesting conversation from the spectrogram displayed alone. Where does that place me on the Bell Curve???

@veranochick

4 жыл бұрын

Me too! 🤣

@huejanus5505

4 жыл бұрын

I tried that too, but then realized it was really Beethoven's 9th symphony.

@rickk2108

4 жыл бұрын

I played it backwards and it said "Paul is dead".

@michaelheery6303

3 жыл бұрын

TRUMP LOVES YOU it says

@forestgump99

3 жыл бұрын

Probably at the Bell End...

No one has a problem saying blacks are genetically stronger and faster. It's positive, and It's also true. All truth should be embraced and accepted, even if it's negative, as long as it's true.

@jesperburns

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Roberts Blacks have higher rates of skeletal muscle fiber. It wouldn't make much sense for them to only be faster, not stronger. I mean "Ever seen ice skating? Must mean whites are faster... " doesn't make sense for the same reason as pointing to Strongman competition.

@jesperburns

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Roberts I guess you missed the point of my ice skating analogy. Let's see if I can make it more clear. If 90% of the participants of a sport are of one race; it's less likely to have a winner out of the remaining 10%. Not impossible. Less likely. Same goes for swimming. Or boxing, it's basically impossible to have such a disproportionate amount of good boxers from Mexico on the basis of genes: it's cultural.

@jesperburns

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Roberts _"swimming; whites are better swimmers for physical reasons"_ Which physical attributes might that be? _"they also tend to be stronger for physical reasons"_ Again, what reasons? It's simply untrue for reasons I already mentioned. Whites win more because there's 90 whites for every 10 black people competing in those sports (ice skating, swimming, strongman, etc). These sports have historically been "white sports". There's far more white people doing these sports than blacks, hence the disproportionate number of winners. This has been my point all along and it's staggering that you still don't get it. If the talent pool of one race is 10 times the size that of the other, the chances of having a winner amongst the larger group is obviously bigger.

When I sometimes went out socializing with people in Mensa, at a bar or something, and other people asked how we knew each other and we told them what our group was, we would always kind of defend ourselves almost automatically by immediately adding that it just meant that we were good at taking tests. I believe it was a group disingenuousness, and we never talked about how we always did that.

@SethMcFartlane

3 жыл бұрын

I often have the same issue when I go out with friends. People come up to us with their hands on their hips and their brows thoroughly furrowed and exclaim "How do you all know each other?!" We just smile, pat them on the head, and say "You wouldn't get it."

@realtruth3762

2 жыл бұрын

It's ironic because athletes brag about being better than others nonstop

@cathoderay305

2 жыл бұрын

@@realtruth3762 That is absolutely true - I had a very athletically successful stepson who was reasonably intelligent (~110 IQ). He thought very highly of himself and looked down on everyone else who wasn't as fit and capable on the court, in the ring, and at getting women into bed. No humility whatsoever and incapable of gratitude to boot.

@YoungMommy14

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't refer to it as a 'Group Disingenuousness'. I think it can more aptly be described as 'behaving like an adult'. Going around and talking about your alleged 'intelligence' is unbelievably juvenile. I'm assuming you're rather young. When you grow older, you'll realize that modesty is a wonderful 'core principle' to subscribe to. It will take you far. I'm not only referring to 'monetary success'. It's also quite imperative when it comes to maintaining healthy relationships (of all kinds). How often do you think Einstein bragged about his intelligence? Strive to be more like Albert Einstein and less like Donald Trump who is so consumed with insecurity that he constantly has to fraudulently tell 'everyone' that he 'knows more about' every conceivable topic in The Universe.

@juanme555

2 жыл бұрын

@@cathoderay305 No offense but that's a midwit. Your son isn't reasonably intelligent, he's just a mediocre in steroids.

We see genetic differences in practically every physiological trait of human beings. I'd be profoundly surprised if there were no intellectual differences across ethnic/racial groups

Most of the bell curve was actually not about race, just that one chapter was. I think even Charles forgot that at the end

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

To make it more about race read Philippe Rushton and his RACE EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR

@karabomothupi9759

3 жыл бұрын

Racist

@mickeydrago9401

3 жыл бұрын

@@karabomothupi9759 And what's wrong with that? Being honest should be a value and given credit

@ideapowerfulweapon

3 жыл бұрын

It's where the sensationalism lies and so that's where the conversation frequently goes.

@jaylin0626ify

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickeydrago9401 believing that you’re Superior to someone because of their skin color is nothing to be proud of. Nor is it a good nothing. These conversations always leads to people want to oppress another group. I will not be treated as a second class citizen.

I love the background. The black is gloriously good for battery on my AMOLED screen, because I'm _not_ paying YT subscription just to turn off my screen when listening.

Thomas Sowell said something similar... he did fine at Harvard, and he knew a lot of black guys that dropped out. He said, would they have been better off graduating from an above average school? Or dropping out of Harvard and not getting a degree.

Score gap is higher among rich blacks and whites. Adoption and intervention doesn't reduce the gap.

@MichaTheLight

4 ай бұрын

Can you give the study to that would like to take a glance at it. Thx

People angry at the book probably have not even attempted to read the book. Usually people that can't read 1 page without checking facebook.

@ChiefMasterGuru

4 жыл бұрын

@Roy Rogers god finally somebody in this comment section that isnt howling dog whistles lmao

@gaussminigun

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChiefMasterGuru "dog whistles"

@frankk1512

3 жыл бұрын

It's amazing isn't it, including the right wing trolls. The book is 1/6ths IQ and race and 1/6ths the fundamentals of IQ. The other 4/6ths is "Houston we have a problem" Here is what we could/can do.

@frankk1512

3 жыл бұрын

@Adolf Shekelberg Not an argument

@smaakjeks

3 жыл бұрын

Why should anyone read a book about science that did not go through scientific peer-review?

Discrimination (affirmative action) is not a way to fight discrimination

@LebronCCP

2 ай бұрын

It’s one way and a very effective one

"We're getting closer to the rods at the core of the reactor" hahahah Man, that's an analogy that couldn't be any more perfect.

@leslielandberg5620

4 жыл бұрын

as in nimrods? that's mean but hilarious

@kfiralfiavideo

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a unique analogy but when I thought about it, it didn’t make sense. The rods of a nuclear reactor core are used to diminish the nuclear reaction, not increase it. It would be equivalent to say “we’re getting closer to the brake pads at the wheels of the Ferrari” - Sam should know better and formulate higher quality analogies with that wicked IQ of his.

@Metaphix

3 жыл бұрын

@@leslielandberg5620 no, it means the closer you get to it, to the truth, the more radioactive it becomes.

Yes, I've been in a class when it was obvious to me that everyone in that class was "much" smarter than "I." I dropped the class, still graduated from grad school, still got a better than average job. I just wasn't ready to learn with than high performance group.

@user-mx4sm9cv7e

3 жыл бұрын

Certain careers require a certain IQ threshold thats just reality

@jamesbedukodjograham5508

Жыл бұрын

In fact Americans are way too obsessed with IQ Testing. If People from Ghana can get Degrees in all subjects from Archaelogy to Zoology. It doesnt mean that Black Africans cannot be excellent, There has been too much emphasis on Academics in many African Nations.

@jamesbedukodjograham5508

Жыл бұрын

@@user-mx4sm9cv7e Yeah like Piloting and Medical Work.

@jamesbedukodjograham5508

Жыл бұрын

@@basilmagnanimous7011 Is it because you are a white American out there.

13:00 Controversial part..."Our 'crime' in the book..." 13:45 "Seems that IQ has to do with both environmental and genetic..."

@graceandpanic9281

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with that. It’s the average IQ among the particular population that develop environment.

To say that race doesn't exist is like saying that words don't exist. Humans have invented these terms to be able to communicate. I work with a woman who doesn't want to use the term "black" or "colored", so she's trying to refer to our costumers by other terms which only complicate things. One time she refered to the only black person out on the patio as "the man with the yellow T-shirt", even though there was three men with yellow-ish T-shirts there... That's just stupid.

@jbdbean242

3 жыл бұрын

@Roobidoobie Considering how many have lost their jobs or have been penalized dearly for simply using that word, she is not at all being stupid. Women are disproportionately treated in that manner as well, though for a variety of reasons. The construct is indeed stupid, but she is powerless to change it and must survive in it.

The findings in his book are non consequential when considering the individual. However when considering group dynamics and large populations, the findings are quite fascinating and terrifying. For countries that have functioned with a high mean iq for all time and are suddenly​ forced to accept huge numbers of a population with a lower mean iq, there will certainly be conflict.

@lukazupie7220

6 жыл бұрын

chigimonky not really true since race is often the only factor you know about individual.

@lukazupie7220

6 жыл бұрын

Also, regression to the mean.

@the-chillian

6 жыл бұрын

The traits of an individual don't alter themselves to regress to a group mean. That's absurd.

@lukazupie7220

6 жыл бұрын

ChrisC we may not know why and how powerful exactly this is, but it is there for sure. I would very much like it not to be, but it is. Think about 2 parents with extremely high iq, both 160. Do you think their kids would have mean iq 160? Half of them even more? Or 2 extremely tall parents, do you think their kids will be just as tall on average? Half of them even taller? Eugenics would be so easy and so powerful if this would be true. Anyway if you have any literature that says all this is absurd i would like to read it, so please share with us.:)

@the-chillian

6 жыл бұрын

Do I expect parents to pass their genetically-based traits to their offspring? Yes, of course. This doesn't happen in a reliably predictable way for all offspring but it's exactly how we breed traits into domesticated plants and animals. There are no forces driving a line of people, who have been selected for traits like height or intelligence, toward some *racially-determined* mean. For example, we may expect the Obama children to be both (on average, and more reliably so if there were more than 2, which is not statistically helpful) more intelligent than average and taller than average, since both are true of both their parents, and for this to continue as long as they procreate with men with the same genetic propensities.

Good stuff! Need more discussions and more information like this.

Four and a half years later and it's still an excellent and eye opening conversation. I've directed people to this and they've had their minds changed in line with the science of human intelligence.

@lordmcdeath01

2 жыл бұрын

Oh the hell. It is. Any sort of analysis of race and iq taken at this level is a miss leading nonsense. Because it fails to track a delta v. It doesn't take into account changes over time. Any differences genetically shouldn't change in hundreds of years. Drift doesn't happen that quick

@joshmccollen700

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordmcdeath01 But the Bell Curve isn't about race. It's about intelligence in humans broadly. The interview Murray did with Harris cleared up the "controversy" around the book.

@powertuber3.047

7 ай бұрын

Murray forgot to figure Mr. O's mummer was as wit as snoooo 23:40

I find this video intriguing, not so much for the data which is so available, but rather for the bravery it took to discuss this taboo subject in today’s society.

@terencefield3204

11 ай бұрын

The rest are either gutless or simple liars

@powertuber3.047

7 ай бұрын

Murray forgot to figure Mr. O's mummer was as wit as snoooo 23:40

The only thing that disappoints me about this is that some of my fellow blacks get offended by this when instead they should be laughing it off, this is merely propaganda, even if it were true we don't care

@shakey3306

Жыл бұрын

Until you start getting genocided

The ''group's'' average doesn't say anything about the individual... it's the only important thing to remember. Smart people know this and won't judge a random individual according to his ''group's'' average, but judge him according to his individual capacities. Stupid people can't make that connection, and think other people are just like them, so it's just normal for them to only see the danger of putting races in ''IQ boxes'' and emotionally react to it.

@Warpig9

7 жыл бұрын

Zofirael Um that's a separate discussion for another day.. Furthermore, if we want to understand why history evolved the way it did and why some groups dominated, race and IQ are a pretty big factor I would say.

@mmmmmmmmmmmmokay9819

6 жыл бұрын

Unless the average is low

@lukazupie7220

6 жыл бұрын

Are you sure? What about regression to the mean among offspring? Different race regress towards different means, or did i get that wrong?

@ruththomas6361

6 жыл бұрын

Tanmoy, the point is that IQ matters, and we should be able to have this conversation with out the reference to behavior. Different behavior demands different treatment. The amount of melanin in your skin is not what affects the behavior; the IQ is a much better indicator.

@sim6818

5 жыл бұрын

well the thing is average people dont put two and two together, so that why its dangerous to do these sorts of studies. Nothing inherently wrong with it on its own, just can be used wrongly by evil/stupid people. Not only that who cares? What value do you gain by finding which group has higher average levels of IQ obviously there wont be and equal amount.

I remember the controversy over that regatta question when I was taking the exam way back in the day. I live smack dab in the middle of the country in flat farm country. I'm as far from a country club person as you could possibly be. For some reason I remember getting that question right thru the elimination of the other possible answers. In addition, I had a pretty good vocabulary from liking to read.

I really don't believe in the accuracy of IQ tests; twice it showed my IQ is above 140 😂😅🤣

@AcidicMentality

6 ай бұрын

clearly faulty tests

@cosmossci4883

4 ай бұрын

You went somewhere and had a timed professional IQ test done or you did an online IQ test? There are well known physicist that have IQs less than 140 so I doubt you took a legitimate test.

@marier7336

4 ай бұрын

@cosmossci4883 actually my psychology teacher at the University and okay, my husband who did it for präctice when finishing his studies to be a psychologist 🫣

How come no *B* people ever were intelligent enough to win a Nobel Prize for physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine? Since 1901 there have been over *600* Nobel prizes given out and not one of them ever won one for the above categories. Think about that.

@NanakiRowan

6 ай бұрын

You literally just outed yourself as a black person.

@beverlyhurd8556

5 ай бұрын

@@NanakiRowan Just curious- have you ever once made an intelligent post anywhere? I would like to read it if you have.

The reason why some academics were “lying” is bc through envisioning countless negative hypothesis’s accepting this literature as fact could play out in our society.. they figure it is best to treat it as if it doesn’t matter or as pseudoscience as a proactive measure to prevent a major shift in the equilibrium of society, which could have extremely negative consequences

So entrancing, to see visual correlation with the vocal fluctuation that is speech. Seeing the distinctive patterns for each individual's unique voice and speech pattern...it's beautiful!! ...I wanna be able to see this way all the time....

@moistmikutoy9110

3 жыл бұрын

I can't understand yout intellectual vocabulary, pls dumb it down for me. Im also black btw

@aishasmith3012

3 жыл бұрын

@@moistmikutoy9110 Of youre not.

@jacksonhansell3796

8 ай бұрын

@@moistmikutoy9110 uneducated psycho. This was 2 years ago so let's hope you either educated yourself or ended up dead.

The noise gate on this is killing me....This is the first time in my life that I felt like silence was screaming at me.

@maximum2918

3 жыл бұрын

lol i think the insane brickwalling doesnt help either

Here's a better answer to Sam's question "Why does it matter"? Because we live in a political climate where every group disparity which shines unfavorably on Hispanics or blacks is blamed on racism. Sure, we can counter that with looking at individuals instead of groups - but that is not the way of our culture right now, and that collectivist mindset is being pushed the hardest by the same group who blame all disparities on racism. If the collectivist "anti-racists" are currently controlling the narrative and pushing collectivism, as WELL as appealing to racial tribalism (which is a very real thing) - how can we possibly win the battle against them using individualism? We have to be willing to say "Okay, fine - you want to make every thing about groups. Here's what we know about the average of this group and that group - if YOU want to play this collectivist game, know that there's a general rule you're missing."

@LocaBaybeex

5 жыл бұрын

Which is why Europeans/Americans/Canadians must play the identity politics game. We have no choice--it is being thrust on us. We are individualists at heart, but if we want to save our countries, we need to start acting in a collective mindset as well.

@dayonmage3946

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. Agreed

@humanOctupus

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao found the white supremacist

@davidgmillsatty1900

4 жыл бұрын

@@humanOctupus That is already as old as anti-semite. It is not going to work much longer.

@davidgmillsatty1900

4 жыл бұрын

@yo pierre Have we evolved past basic tribalism? I doubt it. We are not than much differently genetically than we were 10,000 years ago. If diversity was an easy thing to do, we could have done it 10,000 years ago. We assume that there is a way around our genetics when there is something about our genetics we don't like. That is a bad assumption to make. Maybe our genetics make us very disinclined to want to be an homogeneous people. We are probably all genetically disposed to dislike something about another group as a means of self preservation. Their genes of another group work best for them in their environment and our genes work best for us in our environment. And from a species preservation point of view, it is best to maintain our differences.

Nothing but respect for Murray...

@lordmcdeath01

2 жыл бұрын

Why? He just admitted to neither gather his own data nor doing his own analysis. He didn’t even get a working explanation of the scientists who did the work nor can he remember their names.

@sineadbridges

8 ай бұрын

@@lordmcdeath01he’s an amazing man and brave enough to speak about such a touchy subject (for one particular group at least) It’s only blacks who care about the results and say they aren’t true….with zero scientific evidence might I add, at least there’s some raw data to back Murray’s stance, the opposition just has feelings, thoughts and words based on emotion about the negative correlation this subject has to black people.

If one has an IQ test and it asks: 2,4,8,16 what is the next number? OR It shows a square, a triangle, a circle, a pentagon - which does not belong in this group? Questions like this are unbiased.

@johnharrison6745

11 ай бұрын

2, 4, 8, and 16 are insufficiently diverse [they're all positive, whole, even numbers]; and, asking which shape 'doesn't *BELONG IN* ' that group is EXCLUSIONARY! Those questions are HATEFUL, DIVISIVE, and TRIGGERING; which is WHY Africans CAN'T ANSWER them "correctly", You Bigot!!!!! 😉😉

@FlagWaverFlagBearer

7 ай бұрын

You'd need to speak English to understand the question. You'd also need to be able to count in Latin numerals

Charles Murray = Top Man, hero!

This was a superb discussion. It's such a relief to hear adult, sober, dispassionate and intelligent discussion about contentious issues. A+ to both of you.

@gregmirka9493

Жыл бұрын

I've got a simpler test to determine outcomes....simply observe and ask yourself what group of people build BMW,Porsche,Audi,Mercedes Benz and are dominant in proto-type auromotive technology,aviation,space technology,medicine and engineering to name a few tests...hint...they don't come from African countries ....

@jlove8445

5 ай бұрын

C’mon guy You guys can’t run, jump, fight or climb ✊🏿 BLM

This is the most important conversation we can possibly have and yet it is considered beyond the pale.

@jibrilmohamed9422

2 жыл бұрын

What’s your iq?

@spiralsone

2 жыл бұрын

@@jibrilmohamed9422 around 125

Thank you for this. I am elated that there are people concerned with truth in this world.

@gregmirka9493

Жыл бұрын

And if you care to carry on this conversation further and want to use empirical evidence and put aside the mumbo jumbo social economic bs, go take a look at the Nobel Prize winners,about 954 or so,and tell me what you come up ..outside of peace Nobel winners,tell me what you come up with... And here's one of my favorite hobbies to do...this is a fun one...Google the top.10 greatest physicists of all time,top 10 chemists of all time,top 10 engineers of all time,top ten composers of all time,top 10 Drs.of all time,top 10 mathematicians of all time ...just for starters. .you' get

Ultimately you have to judge people individually. Honestly who gives a shit about any of this. Some black people are smarter than some white people some white people are smarter than some Asian people and everything in between.

Daniel Freedman showed that babies have different temperaments by race, even at birth.

The sad part is that it's most likely *the lack of appreciation for intelligence* in certain groups that is preventing the selecting for those genes. If a group values intelligence, intelligent people will be more likely to find a mate and pass down those genes. If they value other traits more, intelligence won't be selected for. It's a vicious circle. Of course, in-breeding, marrying first cousins etc. in some cultures, is not helping, either.

@pfhrmb

3 жыл бұрын

Inbreeding not helping is an understatement. Over 50% of marriages in some Arab countries between first or 2nd cousins. Been that way for 100s of years. That's gonna affect mental cognition

@Officialbarz

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfhrmb also it was big in Europe and other countries

@user-mx4sm9cv7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@Officialbarz Nowhere near as widespread

@pfhrmb

3 жыл бұрын

@@Officialbarz "was" yea like in medieval times

@jbdbean242

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting point/question. Would you think that is self-perpetuating at a certain critical level, whereas above that level tends to value intelligence more and to a degree that increases selection for that trait over time, and the opposite occurring below that level? The bell curve disputes that, but that is in toto. Does IQ distribution within separate specified groups look the same? Is that not entirely unrelated to functioning group studies which show that removal of even a few high (violent type) aggressors in a group completely changes the cohesiveness, functionality and subsequent progression of that entire group? Could that be a factor in providing a supportive environment for valuing and developing intellect? On a grander scale, considering studies that show that the Mother's level of intelligence has a greater influence on children for both intelligence and intellectual development than the Father's, is the common tendency among males across most groups to value weakness, meekness and/or surface attributes of females over their intelligence a selection factor, and to what degree? A tall friend once lamented his shorter kids, as he so valued being tall (despite some childhood bullying for it). He half-joked that he blamed his rather short wife for it, but did not consider his long held attraction for small "cute" women in the equation.

Which article is Murray talking about in 20:00? He sais it's one of the most important articles in the flynn effect/iq differences between blacks and whites topic where lead author is Jelte Witcherts....

This was an awesome conversation with open minds.

Murray completely dodged the question of "why study the link between race and IQ?" that Harris posed to him. He talked a lot after the question was asked, but he said a whole lot of nothing.

@micahjohnsonboxing6409

5 жыл бұрын

In his book he says why, to deny government assistance to low IQ people so they won't have more kids. It's actually pretty dark since earlier in the book he makes it clear he views low IQ people as Black.

@humanormachine2936

3 жыл бұрын

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Yeah, Murray's views don't add up, and seem heartless to me, and I don't understand why more people listening to these podcasts aren't having this discussion. From the dialogue I've seen on Murray's videos, it seems that most people agree with his policies, and aren't challenging them or engaging in any sort of in depth discussions about them. It's really bizarre and disturbing. You're not going to stop low IQ people from having kids just by denying them government assistance. All you're going to do is hurt the innocent children.

@MilanElan

3 жыл бұрын

@@humanormachine2936 no, one must design policy that takes human stupidity into account. So, for a low IQ person who needs welfare, it should be provided. It should stop at one child and be made clear to the recipient they will lose it automatically if they get pregnant. China had a one child policy, it should be that way for welfare recipients or seriously downgraded for a 2nd child.

So hard for some people to admit obviously true facts. Even Murray knew long in advanced it would be a controversial subject. "Outside of the scientific community, i don't think most people are ready to accept those facts. If i could vote to have the results of the past 40 years of scientific study on the subject of race and IQ hidden from the public, i would. In the wrong hands, it could do a lot of damage and we know how dangerous this road can be. "

Being kidney shy after being shoved in a toilet on the first day of 1st grade made taking any test difficult for me because all I cared bout was getting to go home and pee behind a bush.

22:00 Overlap is very large

does epi-genetics affect mental acuity Sammy ?

@garethwilkinson3456

3 жыл бұрын

Well maybe. You get what you give, perhaps. Quite an idea

I'm white. Grew up with a brother and a sister to a single mother making $5/hr in West Virginia in the 80's/early 90's. I made straight F's in the 10th grade and decided to drop out. Got a job at McDonald's then 7/11. Decided to study English Math (algebra/geometry/trig), history and politics for a year on my own. Took the GED. Did well and passed. Took the ACT (Marshall U uses the ACT not SAT). Did well, got in but had to take 2 remedial courses because that was the policy. Took out several student loans and worked full time at a factory. Graduated with a 3.1 GPA (think it would have been better if I wasn't working from 11PM to 7 AM every day). Now working as a private equity accountant in South FL making 90K/yr. Brother is a successful attorney, sister is a stay at home mom. Make of all that what you will.

@Saddamuel

6 жыл бұрын

Well done!

Does anyone know where Sam Harris got that Flynn quote about the IQ gap from?

Wow.....I am pleasantly surprised and proud of all you/my fellow human beings after reading your comments. No fighting, arguing or name calling of any kind because of this video ❤

@ggh_-ts6pn

2 жыл бұрын

lol, most people here who said positive comments are all white. Of course they would love this video

I can't tell you how satisfying it was to hear "shibboleth" being used correctly in a sentence.

35:20 Did Sam really ask _"why seek knowledge in a particular field?"_ Knowledge is always valuable, regardless of topic. I thought this is an obvious fact for any scientist.

@explodingheart2824

2 жыл бұрын

It's how people use that knowledge. They can use it for good, or bad.

@allydea

2 жыл бұрын

@@explodingheart2824 That is a downstream problem and one that should not be the concern of the knowledge seeker. But this is a philosophical issue, so I understand if you value it differently. But I submit to you that it's a lot more difficult to do harm with truth than with falsehood. If you can offer an example that contradicts this premise, I'd be interested to know.

@explodingheart2824

2 жыл бұрын

@@allydea should we categorize. And if so how do you fit in people of multi race. Intelligence varies and I guess it's just a bit uncomfortable for me and others. I also believe there is an underlying fear that racism will lead up to something extremely serious and that's why people choose to fight the conversation for better or worse.i too fall under that fear because of my skin even though I may look a certain way dosent mean I fall under that stereotype.

@explodingheart2824

2 жыл бұрын

@@allydea working on racial differences may be good maybe we need this in order to fix society. You are probably right we will see and ask more questions when we get there. Hopefully someone doesn't do something bad though because I value human life I'd rather not be categorized as sub human.

@allydea

2 жыл бұрын

@@explodingheart2824 My point was about the pursuit of knowledge in a general sense. But specifically about the IQ question, if we can study the cosmos, I'm sure we'll be able to rigorously study human intelligence as well. A better understanding of the races with their similarities and differences will stress the need to respect each other on the basis of our commonly agreed morality, not based on biological equality. All individuals are different. Just like you would expect to be granted the same amount of respect and dignity if you were 4 inches taller or shorter, the same should be expected if you were 2 shades darker or lighter. The premise that the reason why we should value each other equally as humans is because we are in fact equal is dangerous, because in practice any child can see that humans are not equal. The reason we should value each other equally is because this is how we choose to live in our society.

There are differences in families as well. I have severe audio discriminating abilities. All my cyblings excelled in spelling, knowing words to songs, and taking language courses. I am the only one fluent in an Asian language now however, because I pushed it to the max.

@dud3man6969

2 жыл бұрын

I have a brother and a sister. My IQ is probably about 50 points higher than my brother and about 20 points higher than my sister.

North and South Korea have been separated for 70 years, North Korea is starving and has the same average iq, where is the environmental difference?

When your fruit is sour, cut down all the trees that grow it. That's the liberal method of dealing with ugly truth.

@syolyah4356

5 жыл бұрын

Long overdue!

@niccotine9867

4 жыл бұрын

No its not

@cabindweller8454

4 жыл бұрын

@Bloopy Bloop It is much more specific to them. One reference point is The Death of Stalin movie I just saw. Today's liberals would flunk a history test more than conservatives. Erasing history is a contest to liberals.

@lif3andthings763

4 жыл бұрын

Cabin Dweller I honestly doubt that. Some conservatives still think that the Civil war was not about slavery lol.

@cabindweller8454

4 жыл бұрын

@@lif3andthings763 So tell me about Stalin.

I freekin loved being in a class where the majority of people were smarter than me. It happened like twice in my life and I thought if that had been a norm I would have been so much smarter by now and I would have learned a lot more!! But as someone who specialises in gifted education I have also seen kids absolutely traumatised by swapping a class where they are the best for a class where they are below average!

@adamruben606

6 жыл бұрын

Robotix there is a Jewish proverb that says it is better to be the tail of a lion than the head of the fox. It means exactly what you are saying. You gain more from the being the bottom of of the best than you do from being the top of a worst.

@chaffeehurlant5821

6 жыл бұрын

Your grammar is very poor.

@davidval7188

6 жыл бұрын

Adam Ruben. Here we go again by believing one race is superior to another

@DlcEnergy

6 жыл бұрын

Robotix that reminded me when i was in highschool. i was messin about with mates, i got sent into another classroom, where the kids weren't the best at math, but they were really trying to learn, (must've been the really kind teacher) and she was helping them understand. i finished up the work easy while they're still getting help. being around people who don't mess about and want to learn is probably all it is. the class i and my friends were in at that particular time was just the kind of class you and your mates were able to do what they want in. there's those type of teachers out there who don't threaten students. you'll get the work, you'll choose to do it. but the class can be loud with everyone messing about, some throwing paper planes doin loopty loops in the air. mastering that architecture. lol anyhoo... fun times. but yeah, with maturity, i would've loved to have 100% of that and went to a japanese school. lol i've seen the show where young british teenagers are being taught by some asian woman, to go by her standard, and they just seem so disrespectful, when she's just trying to make them into better people. she makes a comment about them messing about, this one chavy girl makes a fuss. it's just embarrassing.

@cockoffgewgle4993

Жыл бұрын

Maybe slightly more intelligent than you. But if they’d all been significantly more intelligent, you’d have likely found it very frustrating.

Similar patterns are observed here in India where we have a 'quota' system to reserve seats for underprivileged 'castes' in government colleges(some of the top ones like IITs and IIMs) and jobs as per their share in population distribution. What happens is that the real poor kids don't make it in these jobs and colleges but middle class and rich kids born in these castes do. In govt jobs they just add to incompetent resource pool that already is there but in these top teir colleges as was mentioned they are set up to fail and end up dropping out and in some unfortunate cases spiral into depression and commit suicide

Europe had universities 500 years before the first white man set foot in Africa. To say there is no intellectual differences when there CLEARLY are physical differences is bewildering.

Sociological norms have become literal bullying

I'm from Pakistan and I'm race realist. However one race is more intelligent than the other one is just because of shear luck, as a result of coincidentally evolution. However I would like to actively tweak evolution in our favour in my country in ethical ways, curbing rampant inbreeding etc,

@Seekthetruth3000

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of inbreeding in Pakistan, right?

@antiantidisestablishmentar3921

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seekthetruth3000 yup

@Rollpepper

2 жыл бұрын

I read a book that argued that the rules in Islam often work against intelligence, but favor ethnocentrism. So cousin marriage means everyone is more closely related, but less intelligent, circumcision is traumatic, but works as an initiation ritual, less education for women makes them more likely to have children, etc. If Pakistan were to jump higher in IQ it would likely go down in ethnocentrism as it is inversely correlated. You’re right that intelligence is from luck in a sense. For most it meant very harsh conditions of Darwinian selection due to cold and food scarcity that eventually selected for intelligence. England had a child mortality rate of over 40% for a time. When they greatly reduced that rate, they conquered the world due to high intelligence and high numbers.

@antiantidisestablishmentar3921

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rollpepper agreed

How important is iq? So we have iq but also consciousness, and is there more factors in determining some one's performance?

where can I get a go on these tests? werer not allowed

@23:05 ok, so then you decry the ability to make starting assumptions based on groups of data? So why gather data and identify patterns, if you can't make inferences? @27:27 what did I just hear? Did a scientist just ask what was the point of pure research?

@puremercury

3 жыл бұрын

That question doesn't make sense. He was talking about groups of people, not groups of data.

Pound for pound, I can prove that my family has been physically stronger than most people. I'm also descended from Stone masons and quarrymen. The trade its self weeds out the weak and skews towards the strong. AS these people lived in groups breeding would lead towards physically strong, agile people. That sounds to me like selective breeding.

@paullangford8179

4 жыл бұрын

@erik r East Africans, as in Kenya and Somalia had a very strong selection for fast, long distance running. To get a wife, a young man would need to have a lot of cattle. This was often (possibly usually) done by means of stealing cattle. If you were too slow, you were dead! Dead people don't breed, so only the fast ones were successful.

@smaakjeks

3 жыл бұрын

Humans are one biological race. There are variations, but they do not conform with the socially identifiable races.

@smaakjeks

3 жыл бұрын

@Bart Roberts Murray: there's a genetic difference in IQ between races. If biological races don't exist in humans, there can't be a genetic difference between them in IQ.

@wilmer89

3 жыл бұрын

@@smaakjeks label it whatever you want, populations still exist

@smaakjeks

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilmer89 Yeah, humans exist in populations. Good job, William.

You have intellectual discussions like this. Then you have _man, woman, person, camera, tv._

I’m an old 5’9” Midwestern American male and have always considered myself to be of approximately average height. A few years ago I made my last trip to Disneyland. The considerable crowd there seemed to be made up mostly of people of Asian, Polynesian, and Hispanic ancestry, I came away from that visit with just one overwhelming impression that pretty much overshadowed the rest of the Disneyland experience. I am tall. I might have shrunk a bit with age. But I had never felt so tall. Though I haven’t been growing America is getting shorter. Height-wise I was out there Maybe close to 2 Sigma, on the right sight side of the bell shaped curve. If there was a Mensa or Mesa based on height at Disneyland I might be close to qualifying. The weather up here is actually a bit brisk. But now I’m back in the Midwest among mostly people of predominantly North European stock, and have regressed to something closer to my olde normal. I’m pretty sure that average height is not the only measurable difference among groups of people.

Thomas Sowell agrees fully with Charles Murray re affirmative action in tertiary education.........check out his videos.

To quote a Neuroscientist and Primatologist by the name Robert Sapolsky.. “How’s this for fascinating: Heritability of various aspects” of cognitive development is very high (e.g., around 70 percent for IQ) in kids from high-socioeconomic status (SES) families but is only around 10 percent in low-SES kids. Thus, higher SES allows the full range of genetic influences on cognition to flourish, whereas lower-SES settings restrict them. In other words, genes are nearly irrelevant to cognitive development if you’re growing up in awful poverty-poverty’s adverse effects trump the genetics.fn24 Similarly, heritability of alcohol use is lower among religious than nonreligious subjects-i.e., your genes don’t matter much if you’re in a religious environment that condemns drinking. Domains like these showcase the potential power of classical behavior genetics.”

@Bridge2110

3 жыл бұрын

That finding actually doesn't replicate. The heritability is equal across all SES groups. This video goes over the hack who hypothesized this originally, and more recent findings: www.bitchute.com/video/WPV6Hz9iwQo/

Making sense of, and putting into words, the world as I intuitively see it, is .................GOLD!!

Understanding IQ differences is important in understanding relative success of different racial groups as is cultural and behavioural attitudes to education, social behaviour and work ethic. Only then can we understand the difference, adjust for those factors that can be adjusted and accept those we cannot and adapt education, career options to get the best out of all groups.

What we desperately need to do as a civilization is to evaluate all individuals on their merits/abilities regardless of race/gender/age/socio-economic background. Only then can opportunities be offered truly equally. What this information gives all of us is the understanding that there are extreme variances in intellect within each and every racial group -and that fact in itself should be celebrated -liberating us (as it does) from the collective guilt we've been obliged to feel about "unsuccessful" people.

@cathoderay305

2 жыл бұрын

We were required to take the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery when I was in high school (decades ago). I don't know if this practice is still required, but it was a reasonably good indicator of general intelligence. Politically, I doubt that general intelligence testing would fly in the United States as a federal program. Teacher's unions would oppose it because it would identify their deficiencies in educating children and their failures in comparison to charter schools and home-schooling. Politicians would oppose it because they are beholden to said unions and because they prefer an ignorant electorate.

@fishinfool3795

Жыл бұрын

@@cathoderay305 Bingo.

@terencefield3204

11 ай бұрын

Crap

@compytv8636

9 ай бұрын

​@@cathoderay305You're missing the point

@cathoderay305

9 ай бұрын

@@compytv8636 How do you evaluate the potential of an individual without developing a standard for comparison? Not everyone is capable and if you've read "The Bell Curve" objectively you'd realize that (and also note that nutrition can have a significant impact on IQ, quite apart from general health).

Am I correct in saying that IQ is an amalgamation of parameters where abstract reasoning receives the highest weighting? if so i would argue that your IQ is less of an issue in a society with so much available information. My IQ tests for instant puts me at 110 which is in the average range yet I have still become a competent structural engineer based off pure conscientiousness and acquired knowledge, and that's because I use existing knowledge, design codes and reference material. Never ever did I tap into my abstract reasoning to think out an entire bridge design from first principles for instance.

@shannondove96

5 жыл бұрын

Anesu C Good point

@HAL-nt6vy

5 жыл бұрын

In my experience as an R&D Chemical Engineer, surprisingly little of the math and theory I learned in graduate school was actually used on the job. Use common sense, work hard, be persistent, ask questions of other more experienced engineers, keep reading and studying. I would largely agree with you on availability of information, but it's good to keep a lot of that in memory--at least the general principles.

@dayonmage3946

5 жыл бұрын

That's the smartest most reasonable observation I've ever seen typed by Negro hands, and presumably from your own original thoughts. It's a fine comment. I do think blacks have (racial based) natural endowments, and your race seems to excell in kinesthetic intuition, where by comparison, many Whites have forgotten grace and cognitive strength.

According to a study in the 2005 Fall edition of The British Journal of Psychology, men's IQs exceed women's by an average of 5 points. The disparity is more pronounced at higher levels, with three men for every woman scoring above 130 IQ and more than five men per woman above 145 IQ.

The greatest difference is between sub-saharan Africans and the rest. This makes perfect sense as they're the least closely related to all other groups. Why would anyone think they would co-evolve in such a drastically different environment.

Face it, how many black geniuses can you think of?

@NanakiRowan

6 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what the point of your fallacy is here. All you are doing is showing us that black people are your equals, and some are smarter than you. Was that your intent?

@beverlyhurd8556

4 ай бұрын

How come no blacks ever were intelligent enough to win a Nobel Prize for physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine? Since 1901 there have been over *600* Nobel prizes given out and not _one black ever_ won one for the above categories. That right there says it all.

Are we sure that Sam Harris isn't talking to a computer? lol

The question might be how does society and our education organizations maturely deal with this issue.

I've known people of all races. You can name your group and I know some who couldn't outsmart a hammer. On the other hand, some of each group were brilliant. It is the individual and their desire to advance that makes the difference.

@bcaitlin1930

7 ай бұрын

What are the current average IQs & SDs for racial groups in the USA? Do you have a source? Last I heard, there are 1.1 standard deviations between...