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The R5C is a cool camera, but not sure that I agree that more resolution and detail = a "better" image. I'd take dynamic range over those things any day.

@luisa9628

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's what Canon is addressing in their "claimed" 20 stops dynamic range in their upcoming cinema cameras.

@RayValdezPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

@@luisa9628 where did they claim that, isnt that just a rumor right now.

@stu9000

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm not a fan of the way the highlights roll off on the R5C.

@onlysublime

2 жыл бұрын

idk. the video I've seen of the R5c looks gorgeous... maybe the C70 can look better in some extreme cases but it's not a particularly great low light camera and it does look less detailed compared to the R5c.

@prateek7728

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Everyone keeps harping on sharpness but that's what makes the image look more 'video' as opposed to filmic or soft.

How can you compare these two cameras without talking about the DGO sensor? Sharpness doesn’t equal quality. I used the C70 for a day of pickup shots for my film. The footage looks like it came out of an Arri. Truly cinematic.

@FamilyLifeRadioVideo

2 жыл бұрын

The best image i've worked with of any camera, dynamic range, motion cadence, form factor - everything.

The C70 IQ is cinematic, the R5C looks like the other mirrorless Canons. Better IQ is not made up of sharpness and detail. To state with such an absolute and simple word that the R5C image quality is 'better' seems profoundly misleading to me. I'm using the R3 and the C70. The C70 has an image that is just magnificent. The R3 is, like all the mirrorless, really good, but not in the same league.

@Makta972

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Yes the R3 and r5c are Sharper but they have that mirrorless look ( harsh highlight roll of, sharper files but without textures...) If your serious about video the c70 is the better buy.

@npmeilleur

2 жыл бұрын

This

@ItsJustTedd

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if I would say "if you're serious about video...". I think we as filmmakers produce art. We tell stories. We give prospective. How we do that, the methods we use, the tools, that can and should be different from person to person. That's how this industry & the stories/art we create evolve.

@contentm3893

2 жыл бұрын

So you have not used the R5C yet but you know what kind of image it produces?

@roderickfield1855

2 жыл бұрын

@@contentm3893 KZread is pretty thorough

Honestly, I think nearly all of the "cons" of either tools can be mitigated or resolved .... those that can't be: do you need more dynamic range? C70. Do you want amazing stills in one package? R5C ... Do you need 8K or 6K? R5C ... Do you want 4K Raw? C70. Do you want a flexible form factor from SUPER small to as big rig as you wanna flex? R5C ... Do you want the best in camera audio/inputs? C70. Do you want FF without a speedbooster? R5C. Do you want as sharp as you can get in camera? R5C. Do you want better autofocus? R5C. Again everything else IMO is mostly if not entirely resolvable, ESPECIALLY the R5C battery (get a small 13500mAh you can mount or put in your pocket). For me, I need the best true HYBRID possible AND the ability to go super small/incognito, so C70 isn't even an option. If I didn't need a hybrid and a small as possible minimalist setup at times, I'd get a C70 in a heartbeat. Good luck!

Your voice is so soothing! I could hear you talk for hours. And watch you too, you're quite handsome! But the best is your content. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and very down to earth and honest approach. Congrats for this great channel.

RFC with nd adapter+battery grip ftw. Native FF & R5 photography are biggest wins for me. After coming from a7siii/ A1, I love this camera. I do miss clear image zoom. I have no battery issues

Great video. As someone that has extensively used the C300 Mk III as my workhorse, I think the C70 makes more sense to me. Ive rented the C70 as a B-cam many times. Im at the point where I think Im going to invest in the C70 as my regular B-Cam. Same sensor as the C300 mk III and now it can shoot RAW. Both cams just cut together so well. Id be interested in trying the R5C! It'd probably be a better gimbal cam due to the smaller form factor.

That makes absolute sense. R5C is dedicated to photographers who are asked for video clips while the C70 is obviously built for the seasonal videographer with higher demand. Great comparison and advise!

Literally the video I’ve been waiting to see. You touched on a number of types of film making and rigging situations but if you were looking specifically at narrative film making (micro films, short films, etc) and not doc work or studio work necessarily, which would you say has the advantage? It seems like the added image quality, depth of field possibilities, and full frame image for lens choices might give the R5C the edge… what are your thoughts on that?

Hi Crimson, I always like your tests. Any chance you can do a side by side High Dynamic range test between the two cameras? Another tester showed the DR to be pretty similar, but it wasn't a torture test. I'm just trying to figure out which one to get. Thanks.

Interesting that you prefer the image of teh R5c to the C70. I think the C70 image is much nicer.

You can just run the R5C with external battery bank I believe, that should help the battery issues with longer shoots!

Great Video! Loved your analogy between zoom and prime lenses, but also I feel like it can go both ways. You stated that the C70 is like a zoom and is flexible in different shooting environments whereas the R5 C is a prime and will get the maximum amount of quality, but personally, my perspective is the opposite where I think the C70 is a prime since it's suited for video and not going to have issues in the way it performs, but of course, it's not as flexible as the R5 C to be able to do multiple things between high-quality codecs and still capabilities like a zoom lens, but also the R5 C isn't perfect in its categories since for video, needing things like internal nds and xlr, and in photo not having IBIS to help in handheld with certain lenses. Overall, neither of these cameras are perfect, nor do I suspect a perfect camera to exist since by the time a camera comes out with the features we want, there will be newer features available that users and consumers will be greedy for. But am grateful that we have options like the C70 and R5 C! Absolutely loving my R5 C too, has it's shortcomings too like battery life, but there are always workarounds like an external portable charger to help the issue :) Edit: Also wanted to add for those looking between the C70 and R5 C, if you're someone who is solely doing video, already owns high-quality EF glass, not really planning to opt for RF, and wants to stick with SD/Not planning to invest in CFExpress, the C70 will be a great choice since by getting the 0.71x adapter, it will help with an extra stop of light and be able to somewhat reproduce a full-frame look. However, if you're planning to invest in RF glass/CFExpress media or already own them, then the R5 C will be a great option, which is why I personally went with the R5 C over the C70.

@npmeilleur

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I thought the C70 would be the "prime" since it excels in all things video, whereas the R5C is good at video and photo, with many drawbacks and inconveniences for video.

@onlysublime

2 жыл бұрын

IBIS is a great feature to have but it's not an end all be all. If your photography is mainly people, IBIS doesn't help much because people move. IBIS does not help with a person that is moving. Ask a person to stay still with a shutter speed of 1/20. Let me know how that goes. I do love the IBIS in my R5 but it's only truly useful in dark situations with environments. I can certainly use images of people with slow shutter speed and IBIS, but not for any kind of portfolio level photography.

@AnishRajah

2 жыл бұрын

@@onlysublime 100%! Personally for me I don't need IBIS since I'm mainly a videographer and don't really take much photos, reason I brought it up is since Canon markets the camera still to hybrid shooters rather than solely videographers, it will still have it's flaws in certain aspects unlike the C70 which has been known to be a pure cinema camera and performs the way it should and is not trying to be anything more than that. Just like how the R5 was also heavily marketed to filmmakers, but making their features of 4K 120 and 8K as novelty features. Again both cameras are incredible and glad they exist, really just depends on the ecosystem you're already in and accessories which will make the decision easier.

@onlysublime

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnishRajah it seems that the people that complain don't really use equipment. Any photographer that takes pictures of people know ibis doesn't help much because people are human. Ibis has a very real benefit. But not for shooting people.

Is the image quality in video better on the r5c over the r5? Because when I compare the image of my r5 and c70, I will always pick my c70 (especially since the raw update)

Obligatory "First" haha. This is exactly the video I was looking for! I've been debating which of these two to get, since the R5C came out.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the R3.

I found your comparison a bit confusing... I understand for a complete solo shooter, having internal ND, and dedicated XLR audio input could simplify the workflow. However, after using the C70 and finding it so much bigger and heavier when compared to the R5, it draws me closer to wanting to use the R5C instead for much of the work I do. I found @Henry Ortlip's comment about using external power during those stationary corporate projects the way forward to overcome the small battery limitation found on the R5C. Everything else about this camera surely would bring better convenience to the workflow for any solo filmmaker/content creator out there, as a zoom lens would for a lot of the fast paste situations. My thoughts are mainly from the size perceptive of the camera. The image quality on both is excellent. Interested to know your thoughts and anyone else's in the comments.

I work with a added Powerbank 27'000mAh and the inserted battery on a R5C 2'170, so battery life is no issue for me and it has the advantage of 8K RAW LT 60fps what is now my standard format. My issue is the missing animal-AF in video. I hope canon will add soon a firmware with this upgrade for all the Canon cinema cameras. The DR of the R5C is not bad and 80% of my videos don't need a DR of a C70, but I guess 20% of them would take a benefit from 16steps DR, so for most of what I shoot, the IQ of a R5C will be better than from a C70.

I'm in between Canon R3 or Canon C70 I'm going to use for Wedding, wildlife and Traveling Pls recommend

I have both and love both. The R5c makes me feel like I'm cheating on the C70 after she's been so good to me.

@RockyMaiviaMiami

2 жыл бұрын

This

@prateek7728

2 жыл бұрын

You don't feel that R5C's footage feels too digital or sharp in contrast to C70's natural and more filmic look? PS - I don't have either but a couple of people in my sphere do and they both root for C70. I have an R6 and only RF glass which makes me gravitate towards R5C but then again something about C70....

@scottievee7467

2 жыл бұрын

@@prateek7728 It's a tough call. When shooting people I might lean to the C70 BUT I really don't think the R5c is over the top digital like an iPhone or SO*Y as far as digital. I shot some test footage and posted it. Not everyone saw the difference at all. You can easily get away with using both/together.

@prateek7728

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottievee7467 Those are some great points and I agree that R5C's footage is some of the best I've ever seen. I gravitate towards a softer look but that can be resolved with mist filters etc to a degree. I'm curious if you have used RF glass and how that's performed with C70 knowing that it's 1.6X, assume that you're also forgoing a stop of light with RF.

@scottievee7467

2 жыл бұрын

@@prateek7728 I have the RF 24-70, RF 70-200 and RF 15-35. They are all outstanding. I did just grab a Sigma 24-70 art constant 2.8. I haven't got a chance to play with it but's it's nice so far. The stabilization of the RF's are really sweet. Big fan.

On your sigma cinema lenses. Which ones do you gravitate the most? I want to buy the set but may have to choose only 3

Dear King Crimson - as B-Cam for the C70 and for a travel-cam - would you recommend the R5C or the R6 mark ii?

I shot a corporate project all day today on the R5C. I would plug it in to the usb PD anker battery which was on my person. The camera was still super light and easy to work with. I didn’t change the battery in the camera once filming for the 6-7 hours. It could have gone 13 hours on the anker. The R5C is incredible- using the evf in bright daylight is game changing. R5c 💯 percent!!!

"give or take 1000$ dollors" ... haha i love your channel great info, great videos !!

I got excited about the R5C until I remembered the lack of professional audio inputs and the removal of the in body stabilisation. The C70 is also super exciting until I remember that there is no EVF. Then I got very excited when I realised everyone is swapping out their C200 bodies for the C70. I'm going to keep my EOSR for stills and pick up a used C200 and get my work done.

@Crimsonengine

Жыл бұрын

Cheaper you can get the result you want, the better!

what about differences between C70 and C300 mkiii?

I need your honest opinion I'm about to come into some money and trying to pick between these 2 cameras I wanna do more short films and Documentary work which one would you say is best for this I hear the C70 auto focus is trash?

Not sure I understand your overview on the two camera. I'm guessing it's your opinion

Quick question what lens\camera combo are you using for your talking headshots?

@Crimsonengine

2 жыл бұрын

C70 XFAVC with Canon 50mm f/1.4

I love Canon. My work demand handheld video recording movement. R5C has better sharp and clear images. C70 has capable of continually recording hours. I need both for my work. I heard a rumor in the past that Canon plans to bring an upgraded advanced version of the C70. Now I hear that plan has been canceled. Is there any 4K video camera that has both functions and futures? Canon, SONY, Lumix, or some other brand names?

@paulrox177

2 жыл бұрын

Just get a 20000+ mah power bank battery for the R5C that has at least 45w and you can record for hours.

I have the dynamic range myth can someone demostrait quality of it with out showing clouds not blown out

I prefer something with better image quality like the Panasonic S series.

i want a c70 but because i want to be able to shoot stills, i think the R5C will be better suited for me.

@Crimsonengine

2 жыл бұрын

totally agree.

I just carry two cameras. One for video and one for stills. Love my c70! Great videos!

@asiandetective4998

2 жыл бұрын

What is your stills camera?

@deroux

2 жыл бұрын

@@asiandetective4998 I currently have a Nikon Z7ii & z6ii setup along with an Fringer Z to EF adapter to also be able to use all my Canon Glass.

@asiandetective4998

2 жыл бұрын

@@deroux Great setup!

The R5C just seems like a better camera, especially fully rigged out. I mean a lot of the issues like battery and no nd's can be fixed with extra peripherals. The only things the C70 can do that the R5C could never do is have full HDMI and two extra stops of HDR.

@bill29456

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t the tascam when mounted on the R5C give you full size xlr’s? And easier control of audio.

@paulrox177

2 жыл бұрын

@@bill29456 yea it does, as well as having 48v phantom power, it's not cheap though.

Looks like you're oversharpening man

What do you do to your R5C footage to make it less digital looking? (And more cinematic )

@Crimsonengine

2 жыл бұрын

Most people use lens filtration like black pro mist

6:05 why the image looks like from old DSLR camera? I mean really, no joking... my iPhone produce better image... WTF