Thanks for the straightforward, no bs comparison 👍

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! I tried my best.

Very thorough, accurate and fair comparison! Thanks

@futuristicentity2417

7 ай бұрын

Virtual Reality is attempting to make reality obsolete and it seems Meta isn't playing around because it's almost close enough to pulling it off you should see how incredible the color pass through mode is it's badass.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Excellent summary. Bought the Quest 3 and I'm very happy. I do have to get a better head strap. Not having owned a Quest 2 before I overlooked how uncomfortable the default strap is, it's fine for 30 minutes or so but then the weight begins to press on the forehead. So really this does have to be factored into the cost which makes it significantly more expensive than the Pico 4. I tried the Pico 4 as well, the display is also excellent as is the Quest 3 but found the facial interface to be a little uncomfortable. As to recommendations I would pay the extra money for a Quest 3 however please be aware that Bytedance might be releasing the Pico 5 early next year as well.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree with all of this.

@Matic3d

6 ай бұрын

But really a really excellent strap solution such as the bobovr only costs $50. And that gives you an additional swappable battery, a halo-style headset for top comfort, and best of all it places the weight on the forehead vs the face, making it possible to remove the face-hugging visot (this is called ‘open periphery’ style and it’s suprisingly effective. Light isn’t really an issue, its much cooler, lenses don’t fog or get sweaty, and the headset can be worn over glasses.) Not bad for $50.

Nice review. I have both Quest2 and Pico4 and I agree with many things you mentioned about the Pico4. At the moment it is my gaming headset (PCVR) and the Quest2 my fitness machine. But I'm looking forward to passthrough in 3D and if the passthrough of the Quest is better than that of the Pico4 I'm already happy.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Good choice!

@SjaakSchulteis

7 ай бұрын

@@Iamhere-lk9ke Mainly Holofit on my elliptical, but also Les Mills Body combat and the more fun oriented Beat Saber. Several others only occasionally.

@SjaakSchulteis

6 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown Well... two weeks later and I'm a proud owner of a Quest3. I'm very happy with it and it is a great replacement for my Quest2. But.... I have a hard time deciding if it is much better than my Pico4. Under circumstances it is better (sharper passthrough and in 3D, better sound, faster processor). But since I like to play PCVR, the Quest and Pico are to me not much different and in fact I don't prefer the Quest above my Pico an visa versa. Both are outstanding. I love the fact that finally I can play Beatsaber in my Quest 3 that looks as sharp and crisp as in PCVR mode (but that's not because of the Quest 3 upgrade, more because of that apk I bought to enhance the video within the Quest. I guess the faster CPU helps here too. Haven't used my Quest 2 anymore...

@Tigerhearty

6 ай бұрын

pico 5 is already pointing it's head and it looks to be very promising / innovative

@disarstar9179

4 ай бұрын

@Tigerhearty Pico5 has unfortunately been canceld

I have Pico 4 & Quest 2. Got the Quest 3 & returned it a couple of days afterwards. Main reason is that I could see the edges of the lenses near my nose, forming a triangular shape. This is regardless of IPD or adjustment of distance to lenses (button on the inside). This doesn't happen in Q2 & Pico 4, no such form. I think it might be due to smaller lenses on the Q3, Pico has slightly larger lenses.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

That's a real shame. I haven't run into this issue myself.

@mandasity

7 ай бұрын

have you ever encountered this with any other headsets besides the q3?

@samifouad6126

7 ай бұрын

@@mandasity No, nothing on any of my other headsets which are Quest 2, Pico 4, valve index, Oculus S and HP reverb g2. It's actually my only gripe with the Q3. Oh and the rather cheap controllers.

@mandasity

7 ай бұрын

@@samifouad6126 ok cool, thanks for the answer. One last question? If you could have only 1, any one even one you don't own, which would it be?

@samifouad6126

7 ай бұрын

@@mandasity I only use them for pcvr and I have only been using Pico the last months and it is my favorite. I was hoping to go over to Q3 but I'll probably buy the Pimax Crystal instead

Great stuff. In the beginning though you are showing the Q3 on the head while talking about pico and vice versa

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Sorry, thanks for the feedback. I'll try to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.

Anyone else bored of seeing youtubers making videos of the quest 3 and using the same promotional videos in every video ?

@dtz1000

7 ай бұрын

And not even bothering to time their commentary so it matches with the headset showing in the video.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

I'm a KZread beginner, so appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I've seen them one too many times myself.

@ZachRandomMemes

6 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the video a lot!

@pabloareas2258

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

Thank your for the well balanced review. I purchased the Pico 4 a while ago and as mainly a PCVR user I'm happy with it. Also after this review, I see no reason upgrade to the Quest 3 for me.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Good call. Don't think there's much incentive to buy Quest 3 if you already own Pico 4.

@robw3655

7 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown Thanks for the video. Only recently bought a Pico 4 and I'm happy with it, but had a niggling feeling it might be worth 'upgrading' to a Q3, but with all the comments I'm seeing I think I'll stick with the P4 especially as I play PCVR exclusively.

@urkent4463

6 ай бұрын

@@robw3655 yeah you're right. voodoo de always got a 'through the lens comparing video. ohhhh the Q3 has a double sharp view over the houses in halflife Alyx. .much better for 40 year old eyes

Apple and Pico got the look right. There’s something about having the glass at the front that just makes it feel more natural. It looks somewhat like sunglasses or snow goggles. To the people around you it at least feels like you can see them and they can see you (even though nobody can actually see anyone). That alone makes it feel much less dystopian as opposed to having a big plastic block on your face.

@Shadowclaw1113

7 ай бұрын

I got a sticker for my pico r that looks like it's transparent and showing all the circuitry

@markaldrinreyes

7 ай бұрын

Maybe Meta wants black version only for quest pro thats why they keep quest 3 white

@dubfather521

7 ай бұрын

I have to disagree. I think glass looks dumb

@harrykatsaros

7 ай бұрын

@@dubfather521 I’m wrong sometimes too

@brennanb6001

7 ай бұрын

​@@harrykatsarosClearly

It's worth remarking on the difference in binocular overlap (Pico 4--104 degrees vs Quest 3--80 degrees). Pico 4 has a really great 3D effect if you're playing games or watching videos where stuff is close to you, and less eye strain.

Great comparison, Have you managed to test with Immersed VR? Is there any significant different in text quality?

@user-xw7zk1zn7r

7 ай бұрын

I'm looking for an answer

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Haven't tried it with immersed VR yet. Text clarity is a big step up though. Very usable for productivity, but still some way off the clarity of a good monitor.

Im personally interested in the pico 5 max or whatever it is that has a direct display port connection for pcvr. That’s my only real complaint that the quest 3 is missing. VD is awesome but if you have a direct connection you can have a higher refresh and visuals since the gpu won’t have to encode a video.

@dtz1000

7 ай бұрын

I wish it was OLED. Pico are still sticking to crappy LCD for the Max.

@Jrfeimst2

7 ай бұрын

@@dtz1000 me too!

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Pico 5 Max should be awesome if the rumours that have been floating around are true. Fingers crossed!

@urkent4463

6 ай бұрын

i think only the flight simulator guys are wanting this dp port have a look at one of the last videos from voodoo de vr. new option in virtual desktop that overides steamVR makes a 20fps increase on the Ms game. not wireless is the bad thing. it maybe is steamvr

Thank you - had to apply slower video running, as English is not my main language. Question - how is the bowlinggame named you display around 2:25? Where to obtain? Info would be appreciated.

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

That game is Premium Bowling. It's one of my favorites. Available on Steam and on the Oculus store.

Thank you for the review. I currently own a Pico 4. Should I consider buying a Quest 3 instead of the Pico 4, or should I wait for the release of the Pico 5/Pro (or whatever comes in the future)?

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

I think the Quest 3 is a really solid choice. With the recent news of big layoffs at Pico, I'm not sure that waiting for Pico 5 is the best option.

@playinshakeoleg4379

6 ай бұрын

​@@VRLowdown OMG.... let's see what happen then with pico team. May be someone hack oculus and then we'll get Oculus OS (Hackulus=))))) for pico =)))) Any way, thanks for answer man!

My quest 3 is on the way right now im so hyped!!! BTW, good fix for the bad head strap: wear a cap and spin it backwards and put the quest on that

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

You're going to love Quest 3. It's awesome.

I'll be getting a Quest 3 this weekend - I've already ordered the Bobovr M3 Pro headstrap. But I would really like to see a through the lens comparison between Quest 3 and the HP Reverb G2.

@JMS103

7 ай бұрын

Recently got a Quest 3. Yes it has better resolution/visuals.The battery life sucks though. Both Quest 2 and 3 can do mixed reality games. However I feel like the Quest 3 isn’t worth the 499.99 price tag.

@Avenger222

7 ай бұрын

Quest 2's MR compatibility is completely unusable, IMO. It's more of a neat way to walk around your house, but I would never use it for literally anything else. So if you're a fan of MR then Quest 3 is worth it, but if you don't, then it's a harder buy -- especially if you focus on PCVR.

@brokensword2621

7 ай бұрын

​@@JMS103Dude, what are you talking about. for 200$ more, you get a lot of futures and upgrade compared to quest 2. But if you really not satisfied wait for 3500$ vision pro to satisfied you. 😅 What you pay, what you get 😉

@jackr.749

7 ай бұрын

I hope you get your BoBoVR M3 strap soon, it makes the Q3 comfortable, the default cloth strap is pathetic at best and makes the face pad feel "abrasive", this will all feel so much better with the M3. As for comparison between the Reverb G2 and the Q3, the Quest 3 for PCVR is getting VERY close to the G2, the Q3's colors might be a little more vibrant, but those optics are unreal, HUGE sweet spot, edge to edge clarity and better FOV than the G2. Even the compression is barely visible (my guess is the new XR2 Gen2 chip decodes a lot faster than Q2 and Pico 4). The G2 still has better clarity for distance viewing (sim racing, looking farther down the race track), is more efficient (only has to render the image without also having to encode it) has MUCH better audio with the Index like speakers. I have to admit, I like my Quest 3, I've turned off options to make the battery last a lot longer since I use it mostly for PCVR, I've changed refresh rate from 120hz to 90hz, turned off Passthrough and hand tracking and made sure Bluetooth was off. Now my BoBoVR battery keeps the Q3 charged and lasts a lot longer, with all the option turned on, the BoBoVR battery would barely last a half hour on a good day.

@wjveryzer7985

7 ай бұрын

I use ONLY pcvr and quest 3 is a game changer to me.@@Avenger222

nice video mate

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks.

Great comparison. However, I found my old Pico 4 to have faster decryption in PCVR than the Quest 3 and therefore, less latency. Maybe it's the extra pixels, I'm not sure.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info. I'll have to do some more detailed testing.

@tyrvintersol916

6 ай бұрын

I dunno, i also have the Quest 3 and Pico 4 and the pico is subpar to the quest 3 on nearly every aspect.

@FatNorthernBigot

6 ай бұрын

@@tyrvintersol916 I agree... Apart from the one aspect I mentioned.

I have the Q1, Q2 and Q3.. the Q3 is a must have

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Definitely agree!

I had the Pico4 and switched to the Quest 3. But only because I play competitive sports games and I need the 120 hz and always fast updates). The Quest 3 is a bit better everywhere except for the price and the comfort (even with Elitestrap, because it's lighter and the weight is nicely distributed). There are 3 groups I recommend the Pico 4 to In PCVR they are almost on par (Quest 3 slightly better), but since the comfort and price is significantly better, I would go for the Pico 4 (+Virtual Desktop) for pure PCVR. Pure sports gamers (unless you play competitively) will also have more fun with the Pico 4, due to the better comfort and because the graphics are second rate And casual gamers who don't need a huge game library and have to watch their money when buying. Ultimately, the Quest 3 is the better, more sophisticated headset and if money is no object, I would always choose it over the Pico 4. If it does, I would recommend the Pico 4 to the groups mentioned above.

@VRLowdown

3 ай бұрын

Totally agree with your points. I own both headsets and I couldn't agree more.

Great review - many thanks. I picked up a Pico 4 for £259. Do you think the Quest 3 is worth an additional £220? I can live without mixed reality and am not a massive gamer, but screen quality is important to me. Is it true that the Pico4 screen appears more washed out than the Quest?

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

Pico 4 has great lenses and screens. Both Quest 3 and Pico 4 have LCD panels, so come with all the benefits and drawbacks of this display technology. That is a great price for Pico 4, so if plan to use it for PCVR mainly and you have little interest in mixed reality, then it is a good option.

If we're not in a simulation then virtual reality is going to eventually bring the idea into our physical reality the color pass through is well worth it for casual use and aimed at Augmented Reality. I can see this device more focused in Augmented Reality than virtual reality if this can be used in our daily lives then I'm all in for it if everyone can afford it. For the price I'm not complaining if virtual reality headsets were the new normal I well say this headset is definitely close enough to where we can simulate the physical reality we currently live in. It might not be able to imitate are personal brain sensory but it's damn near close enough and will play tricks on your mind as if you were already wearing a complex virtual reality headset.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

It's awesome to see how the technology is developing. When you think about how far VR has come in the last 10 years, its crazy to think of the improvements we'll see in the next 10.

people are selling pico 4's crazy cheap right now, you can get them for 200 bucks easily. Its crazy for what you get and with pico you wont have the obnoxious meta gatekeeping. Honestly pico 4 is better if you are doing more pcvr or dont need the like 3 meta exclusives.

@Maebbie

7 ай бұрын

@@rangerkayla8824 pico 4 tracking is just as good as meta now, 90 hz is plenty, but i get wanting more. you get pancake lenses, 3 hours of battery life, well balanced and lighter hmd with no need to buy an extra headstrap for 200 here, thats a killer deal. I dont get people buying a quest 3 with all the qa issues when you can have a pico 4 that someone used long enough to not return, meaning its likely oging to be in good condition. But yeah I think you will easily find someone close by as the market is being flooded with them.

@judahsfinest1860

7 ай бұрын

What about the fact that you can do PCVR on quest as well, plus the exclusives and the much better software overall? 😉

@amazin7006

7 ай бұрын

Quest 3 has better build quality IMO and the pass through feature could be great depending on updates. Camera quality will only get better with future processing

@Maebbie

7 ай бұрын

@@amazin7006 nah sorry mate, pico 4 is just as good, build quality is a bit light, but also sturdy. meta promising to make something better only to ruin things in updates is a common tale. And their locked os is obnoxious. Pico 4 also has at least twice the battery life. and you get to have a it for 200 used. no excuse really, but i suppose without dye hard meta fans the pico wouldnt dump in price that much, so thanks i guess.

@amazin7006

7 ай бұрын

​@@Maebbie idk where you're getting 200, it is 300 minimum used, only 100 less than quest 3. You can find a quest 3 for 400 easy. For that extra 100 you get a better OS, better pass through, it feels better, and has slightly higher FOV and resolution. Quest 3 is objectively better by specs. Also both OS are locked, Pico 4 is not open source.

I disagree about the headstrap on the Quest 3, I find it to be comfortable and snug. You also didn't pull the Y shaped part in the back,apart in the video like you are supposed to. I didn't quite realize how to put it on correctly at first either, but once you figure out how to pull the upside down Y apart in the back after you put it on, it all makes sense, and feels great. It distributes the pressure and weight better, and makes it super secure, once you figure it out.

@VRLowdown

4 ай бұрын

This is really helpful, many thanks. That makes a big difference to the comfort level.

Is there a noticeable difference in performance when using VD (PCVR)? I mean regarding to Wifi 5 vs. 6E and the new Codec the Quest 3 offers.

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

As long as you have your router close to where you are playing, and ideally in line-of-sight, I don't think you'll notice any difference. There will be some use cases where it has benefits, but not as many as you would think.

@lowrider2756

5 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown Ok, thanks, great to hear.

Does the quest 3 still kill itself by software like the quest 2 did? I sold my second quest 2 replacement and bought a pico 4. Since then i had no software issues anymore.

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

It's still not perfect, but they're making steady progress. I'd say Quest 3 software is better than Pico 4 though.

Its a good video you should make a short on it too.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and advice, I appreciate it.

I also have both along with quest 2 and quest pro and PSVR2. Pico 4 has a 2D colour passthrough which is useless. It also has absolutely immersion breaking ghosting. Pancakes are not as good as quest pro/quest 3. Game library is way smaller...Pico has XR2 gen 1... for me personally there is no comparison to quest 3. One thing I found with Pico 4 is that HLA runs smoother via virtual desktop than with any meta headset. But this is the only benefit it has. For me personally the ghosting in-lens reflection when there is a bright object on a dark surface was so distracting that I had to sell it eventually...

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Interesting that you experienced this, as I haven't seen much in the way of ghosting on my unit. However, I definitely much prefer Quest 3 for PCVR compared to Pico 4.

I am thinking about getting the Pico 4 as I do pc stuff or perhaps even the Bigscreen Beyond. Not interested in passthrough. I have the quest 2 and I hate the weight, it still works for now. I am tired of buying over priced controllers because they developed drift or become non-functional. Also I had an older Oculus headset that they don't allow updates on anymore so you slowly lose apps as the old servers no longer work. I would have held my nose for the Quest 3 if they would have done something better with the battery. You can bet they know it's an issue but they decided to charge more for a product that could have been perfect. They lost me. I see many having issue even with the approved elite head strap and battery working for extending battery life. Battery should at least be mounted on the back AND removable. At this point no reason for the weight of a dead battery mounted to your forehead. A quick swap out would be nice.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Quest 3 battery is one of the biggest issues, along with the inadequate headstrap. Barely get 2 hours of use. Quest 3 does so many things right, but a few of their design decisions are pretty poor. I suspect most poor choices were made to keep cost down.

@honeybadger9425

5 ай бұрын

Pico4 be ideal for you then the pic quality is a lot better than the Q2 I do a lot of big screen stuff with my Pico. It’s really only the exclusive stand alone games that keep me using my Q2. As for the battery life really on all them you need some sort of battery extension to have a decent session in VR because that all run out to quick. I use a fairly cheap AMVR neck battery it adds an extra 3 or 4 hours in VR and you get a full evening then with battery to spare.

In my testing, Pico 4 as a standalone is absolutely dogpoop compared to quest 3. In PCVR quest 3 still has a slight advantage but there is basically no reason to upgrade if you already own Pico 4. UNLESS you are like me who plays Beat Saber competively.... My biggest complain with Pico 4 is the underwhelming tracking, yea it got better with updates but still in fast movements you can see how your controllers come behind.

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Pretty much agree with everything you just said.

The OLED days of the quest 1 are really missed, especially when watchcing films in Big screen

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Very true, but also a lot of drawbacks of OLED, which is why we don't see them more often in headsets.

thanks

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Picos smaller library of games is what has stopped me from wanting to check one out.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

It's a big negative for me too. I also hesitate to buy games on the Pico platform. Most games I buy are either on Steam or on Meta.

Which has better mixed reality? I am trying to use it for Microsoft Flight Simulator thanks!

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Quest 3 has much better MR. Not even close.

@theonlyD

4 ай бұрын

MR is a joke.

i'm still using the quest 3 with the original head strap and i am completely ok with it i don't want to change it. I don't understand the complaining about it.

@VRLowdown

4 ай бұрын

Everyone is different. Glad you like the default headstrap.

@azar5255

3 ай бұрын

you are right@@VRLowdown but it is getting boring to everyone hate on the basic head strap like it is unusable or something... but the fact is it is pretty useable, not falling off your head not wobbling too much and not going to hurt you if u use it as it intended... yes it can be better for a good amount of money.

With meta I don't think it so much design decisions as it is business decisions. Their business model is to sell the headsets at cost, below cost, or at a very low markup and then sell the accessories at a huge markup. They make a ton selling elite and elite battery straps, so I don't see them moving away from the crap strap anytime soon.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Such a shame they can't ship it with a decent strap, as it makes a huge difference to the comfort level.

How do I pull up the big screen so I can still view my living room?

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Select the MR button from the main menu and they just pull up any screen. KZread, browser window, video player app etc.

i cant read my phone on my quest 3, is it a software problem or is something wrong with my headsets?

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

The warping is really bad when you hold your phone close. Much easier to read when you hold your phone a little further away.

Not even a competition... the quest 3 is better now and will be especially be better in a year as they start rolling out all its features like body tracking and AI

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

True, Quest 3 is better overall, and I think you're right that it will improve with time. But Pico 4 is really solid and super value.

@dingdongchingchong8659

6 ай бұрын

If you already own a Pico4 and mostly for PCVR, just stick with it. If your first headset, go for Quest 3.

quest 3 strap makes my eyebrow musles and cheek bones hurt ! the lenses are fantastic ! half life alyx looks amazing on the cable although my 2080 ti is strugling with 72 fps. battery life is poor so if your conecting to pc you need a cable that will charge it too as battery drops faster then the cable can handle . quest lets alot of light in the gap where your nose is too. but the new lenses are worth it and miles beter then the rift s and the quest 2 . i still have both. battery life on quest 2 was beter thou .

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

I'd highly recommend a battery strap to improve comfort and battery life. Makes a huge difference, and worth the extra cost. Just wish Meta would ship the device with a better strap, as the default one is a joke!

Quest 3 was my first headset

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

A great choice to start enjoying VR!

I want a quest 3 but waiting to make sure they work out all the kinks....first before I get it he'll I got a psvr2 fresh off the line and 6 months later sending it back because the tracking Is going out on it... so not going thru that again.....

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Never a bad idea to wait till the dust settles.

@KingEnvy9845

7 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown exactly......

Hello guys, im planning to buy a vr for pcvr games like: half life, Beamng, etc. but I cant decide between Pico 4 & Quest 2. Which one should i buy?

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

If you're mainly going to be using it for PCVR, I think Pico 4 is the better option by a fair distance.

@pisti5548

5 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown Thanks for your response, have a great day!

This is a really good comparison. But really, why is someone who wants the stand alone headset must pick pico 4 the previous gen headset when he can buy Quest 3 the next gen headset with a lot of new futures and also great meta library. This is not a future-proof decision. In my opinion, the only reason someone wants to buy pico 4 is because of the display port and having a better wired pcvr experience. The wirless pcvr experience is also better on quest 3.

@JohnSmith-mk8hz

7 ай бұрын

Pico 4 doesn't have a display port. If it did, it would be WAY better in PCVR than Quest 3. It's USB just like Quest 3. I just bought a "Used like new" Pico 4 from Amazon for $290. I also have had a Quest 2 for over a year. I found myself playing 90% PCVR. I rarely played standalone games on the Quest 2. Pico 4 and Quest 3 are VERY close in visuals and performance in PCVR. I just saved $200.

@brokensword2621

7 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-mk8hz good for you but for me I buy quest 3 to have way better future proof headset for myself. But each person has different use when using vr headset. So each person has different opinion 😁

@dtz1000

7 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-mk8hz I thought the pancake lenses were better quality on the Quest 3. That's what all the reviewers are saying anyway.

@JohnSmith-mk8hz

7 ай бұрын

@@dtz1000 Quest 3 CPU and ecosystem is better than Pico 4. And the lenses may be a little better. But most people that have both say Pico 4 is more comfortable. Going from Quest 2 to Pico 4 was quite an improvement in clarity. But for me I didn't think going from Pico 4 to Quest 3 was worth $200. Again, I'm 90% PCVR.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

The main advantage of the Pico 4 is that it performs almost as well for PCVR but for a much lower price. Sadly, it doesn't have displayport. That only comes with the enterprise version.

I could never read any screen with the Quest 3 passthrough without aggressively squinting my eyes and putting the phone or screen close to the cameras. My room is very brightly lit.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

The pass through still isn't great on any headset. We've got a long way to go before the quality is acceptable. However, the pass through quality for playing MR games is great.

You were incorrect about the headstrap. Ive replaced the headstrap and all the paddings in my pico 4 to even more comfortable models

@VRLowdown

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. That's really helpful to know. Changing the rear head cushion is something I'll definitely do.

Its just sad how many have no problem paying more money for something that should have been already added. Its not about money. The fact Meta has lied about so much and most will not call them out. Heres one "Our Type C link cable allows you to connect your Quest/Quest 2 to a compatible gaming PC, then you can play VR games while charging at the same time.". Yeah you can't with the quest 2 you can not with the quest 3. The quest 3 does not have a better battery then the quest 2 its a tiny bit worse. Then do a search on how many talk about the battery draining so fast. Now the Pico 4 will FACT last you just as long as the Quest 3 2-3 hours based on what your playing. If you never owned one the Quest 3 is a great buy. I would not since I have a quest 2 and others but found in testing the quest 3 it was not OMG night and day over the quest 2. Quest 3 is better but another fact its tis NOT at all worth $499. Then they all talk about oooh just buy that extra battery or head strap and on and on you find you spent about a grand. OOPS some failed to tell you that. Another fact Meta had to cut the units since the sells are not at all what they expected. yeah they are not selling. Well if you want to PLAY all those VR games you will sub..ok not bad became they gives us 2 free games awesome huh. Ooh but wait some again fail to tell you THEY pick the games you get and if you stop subbing you give back ALL!

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

You raise quite a few of the issues I have with Quest 2 and Quest 3. However, I do think both headsets offer good value for money.

Quik note he didnt seem to know you can but the same head strap as the quest 3 only this comes without the batary but it has the back and the better top strap i use this myself

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Good point. I couldn't do without the extended battery though.

@FlockersDesign

6 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown the reason it doesnt come with it is because the batery is already on the back Also nice facked this whole idea got ripped from pico

There is a 200 euro difference at them moment between the two so I migh go with the PICO for mostly PCVR.

@VRLowdown

5 ай бұрын

There is a great deal on at the minute with 3 games bundled, so definitely a good option, particularly if you're mainly going to be doing PCVR.

for PCVR there is no contest, Pico is superb. Great comfort, the absolute best FOV with AMVR mask.

@VRLowdown

2 ай бұрын

Definitely agree that Pico 4 is a great choice for PCVR. Excellent lenses, panels, FOV, and a really attractive price point.

The pills design is a good reminder to take your vitamins, kids. The main problem with the quest 3 design is the battery is in the front, 600 grams vs 295 grams in the pico. To balance it, you need to put 600g in the back, which in total about 1200g or 2.6lbs, that’s pimax crystal weight. While pico is half of that.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

There's a good positive message!

You can't lie down on your bed or lie back on a high back chair when using the pico 4. Advantage Quest 3.

@Keyakina

7 ай бұрын

Didn't have good experiences with that so far with q3

@RileyELFuk

7 ай бұрын

You can't do that any better with Quest 3, if you have a headstrap that make it tolerable to wear, for longer than a few minutes. At least Pico 4 has a 'Recline mode'.

@dtz1000

7 ай бұрын

​@@RileyELFuk Of course it's better on the Quest 3. You're not lying your head on hard plastic like you are on the Pico 4.

@RileyELFuk

7 ай бұрын

@@dtz1000 What on Earth makes you think you'd have your head on "hard plastic"? As it comes, the back pad is cushioned, even if it is firm. As I use a KKCOBVR battery dock, it's even more comfortable. The Quest 3 is hideously uncomfortable, standing, sitting up, or lying down, if you're using the original strap. If you want it to actually be comfortable whether you go for an Elite style strap, or a Bobo, you have "hard plastic" at the back, exactly the same as the Pico 4 (though like the Pico, you head is actually cushioned). Whatever strap solution you choose to go for on Quest 3, the one thing it can't change is how much heavier it is on your face, about double the weight of the Pico 4.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

I've never really used either headset while lying down, but can't imagine either would be great.

pico4 yes

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Solid choice.

Mixed reality.......im going to become a pokemon master.

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Nice!

still unsure, what to get and what i will be happy with. VR right now, has only 2 markets: standalone vr, lower specs but cheaper and enthusiast level vr starting at 1600+ for a complete pack. the only hand on experience with vr i had so far, was the ps5vr2, which was okay to me and thus the default level of visuals i wanna have but my primary goal ist PCvr. in 2019, the choice for the time and state of the art, would have been clear: i would have bought an index, but not, the headset is too low res but still costs the same.. but right now, theres nothing like an 2023 index in that pricerange.

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

I just hope Valve come out with a worthy successor to the Index. For now, I'm mainly using Quest 3 and Pimax Crystal, depending on what I'm using VR for.

@dharkbizkit

6 ай бұрын

heres hoping, but it can take anywhere from 3 months to 3 years and i dont wanna wait another 3 years. quest and crystal huh? guess it figures but the thing is, theres a 3fold prices increase between those 2@@VRLowdown

@myrobotmower

6 ай бұрын

​@@dharkbizkitYeah, big price difference. I'm using Quest 3 for all my standalone and roomscale VR. But hard to beat the visual clarity of Pimax Crystal for flight sims.

@dharkbizkit

6 ай бұрын

true.. and iam aware that you cant count or calculate that way.. but 3x the prices but not a 3 times better visual experience is a hard sell for me. especially, since the crystal has reportedly worse controller tracking, more software problems and not the best track record, for overall reliability. not saying, the quest 3 is the better choice, just that i would like to have tech level like the crystal but compared to whats out there already, i dont think 3x the price is justified for that. i try the quest 3 for pc vr, gotta look if wireless on wifi 5 is enough or if i have to use link with usb 3.2x2 but if only 3.2x2 is enough to have heavy compression, that i have to figure out if theres a cable for my motherboard, since my only 3x2 port, is on the mainbaord with the socket for front usb outlet but the case has only old usb A and ive never seen an adapter cable for that situation@@myrobotmower

@myrobotmower

6 ай бұрын

@@dharkbizkit Totally agree. Pimax isn't worth it unless you absolutely must have the best visuals. It has a lot of drawbacks and is much less polished, so the Quest 3 is a much better headset for most people. The visuals are actually really good and the vast majority of people will be really happy with it. WiFi 5 will work perfectly. The biggest factor is the distance you are from the router. Direct line of sight to the router is obviously the best. You'd be surprised by how low the data transfer requirements are, so if you're using a link cable, as long as it's USB 3, then you should have no problems. The Oculus desktop app has a speed test that you can do on your wired connection to make sure it's fast enough.

dude said pico 4 costs more than a quest 3 lol

I have to disagree slightly. Pico is far less buggy than Quest 2 & 3 and with a better UI. It's true that they lag on titles, but it's emerging as a similar deal to the consoles, you can't be surprised that you won't get Sony titles on Xbox and don't expect Halo on your Playstation. While it's hard to recommend a Pico 4 over Quest 3, to someone invested in the Quest ecosystem, it's a much easier recommendation for those interested in PCVR. The Pico 4 is far more comfortable to use (especially with a replacement facial interface), compared to Quest 3 which even using an 'elite with battery' style strap, still feels front heavy, currently has appalling battery life and could also benefit from a replacement facial interface too. Yes, it's still edging out Pico on the display (very slightly), but enough to warrant the price difference? The Pico 4 is still a great headset and one I find far more comfortable to use, particularly for long sessions (which aren't even possible on Q3, with things like BoboVR being unable to keep up), ideal for PCVR. I'm not 100% on recommending Quest 3 yet. It's much hyped advantages aren't really with us yet, and the power issue remains a concern. Talk of a v60 update increasing play time by reducing performance, is far from inspiring (especially when I'm still stuck on v57). I bought a Q3 to bring my Quest library up to the standard of Pico, which it has done, more or less, but these early days flaws make it feel like an inferior product. I'm almost certain that it will fulfil its promise eventually, but for now it's something of an expensive disappointment. If people are unsure about getting into VR, I might suggest picking up a 2nd hand bargain Quest 2, or a Pico 4, or even waiting for the Quest 3 Lite, though that may yet prove to appear to be somewhat deceptively priced, if you have to buy separate controllers (essential for most games and apps) and only get 64gb for the £200 basic model.

@wjveryzer7985

7 ай бұрын

I NEVER understood the bad battery with ANY vr headsets. People really can VR game for more than 4 hours at a time??? My head would be KILLING if I did that!

@RileyELFuk

7 ай бұрын

@@wjveryzer7985 I'd be in total agreement with you, but there are some fiendish 400 piece puzzles, in Puzzling Places.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

I think Pico 4 has made huge improvements over the last year. Its a really solid headset. There's definitely no "one size fits all" as everyone has their own preferences and priorities. I'm just glad to see big companies embracing VR and producing better hardware and software year on year.

@wjveryzer7985

7 ай бұрын

honestly, if I knew what a game changer pancakes were to me, i would have gotten it LONG ago. I'm in the USA, and there's a shop that sells them new by me for 375$ so it's very tempting. Now I have quest 3. I only went with that because I heard sometimes software can be an issue on pico which is understandable.@@VRLowdown

I feel like Pico 4 is like a chineas rip of for the quest quest is better then Pico 4: in my op

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

They've definitely taken a lot of inspiration from Meta.

@dingdongchingchong8659

6 ай бұрын

Where is your Quest 2/3 made in?

is it true that psvr2 always look better?

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Definitely not.

meRa quest? i hear an R. yes i enjoyed the viReo.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Glad you appreciated the accent!

Darn this boring. Can you tell us if it's worth the upgrade and why? Stop giving full description of both with juicy info showing much better the q3 is or isnt

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to improve for my next video.

This is a generic comparision that even GPT could generate. No real info here.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

I appreciate the feedback. I thought I would have done better considering I've owned and used both headsets since launch, but will try to improve for the next one.

The Pico 4 will be my first VR headset, set me back 329 Euros on Black Friday, didn't see any reason to spend 300 Euros more for a better store and a bit here and there as i generally will be playing PCVR

@VRLowdown

6 ай бұрын

That's a really decent price for Pico 4. Hope you enjoy the headset.

@neneger

6 ай бұрын

@@VRLowdown thanks, and good video

Sir is that a cyst on your right hand? Have someone hit it hard with a book and it will disappear. I did it years ago.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

It's a ganglion. It's been aspirated a few times, but always comes back. Had it for 15+ years.

Pico 4 was best for the time. The Quest 3 is better. Not a lot. You cannot go wrong with either.

@dtz1000

7 ай бұрын

The GPU in the Quest 3 is more than two times faster than the one in the Pico 4. But the content creator seems to have forgotten that along with everyone in the comments.

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

100% right.

@dingdongchingchong8659

6 ай бұрын

@@dtz1000 Is that the reason why Quest 3 practical battery life is about 40 minutes and some users experience graphics artifacts and heats up significantly on some titles?

@dtz1000

6 ай бұрын

@@dingdongchingchong8659 Yes. The GPU is up to 2.5 times faster than the old one but it also uses up to 2 times more power. It's not what they led us to believe.

@Stimpynator

5 ай бұрын

@@dtz1000 he said that at about 9:26 seconds if you would actually watch the video before commenting

@VRLowdown

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!