The fact that she is considered crazy and Henry VIII isn’t, tells me everything I need to know about women’s narratives vs men’s.

@makaelaischillin

3 жыл бұрын

Henry VIII is seen as insane and a tyrant? He had a head injury but still.

@lemonsquire5993

3 жыл бұрын

@@makaelaischillin very true about the head injury but watch any documentary about him and they don’t narrate his story as though he’s insane- maybe hot tempered.

@makaelaischillin

3 жыл бұрын

Lemon Squire Yes you are right. Many people do not see him as insane if they don’t know the history.

@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527

3 жыл бұрын

England is a different country with a different culture tho. I can only think of two British monarchs that are considered mad, one centuries before Juana and one centuries after

@rosycandyhaven

3 жыл бұрын

No they just consider him to be evil and a murderer of not just a couple of his wives but his so called friends and advisors. He massacred a great number of monks and destroyed their monasteries.

She wasn’t mad, she was abused. Is like when men say their ex is crazy but they were the ones that were abusive and their gf just acted in response.

@LynnEsq

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@SirenUniverse381

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.😊

@setsunaanddiana288

3 жыл бұрын

same in reverse, which is why men couldn't get help it is not to undermine of female victims, just adding to them because it isn't always the case especially today Abusive women exists, but for Joanna of Castile, I honestly sympathize with her. She deserved better, I understand why she acted the way she did. I hope she is in peace at the afterlife.

@JoeDirtisawsome

3 жыл бұрын

"She wasn’t mad, she was abused." these things arent mutually exclusive.

@muirannmooney6161

3 жыл бұрын

exactly thank you

When a Portugese king digs up the corpse of his girlfriend to marry her, it's a romantic story. When a queen mourns over her husband's corpse she's clearly craaaaazy

@emilybarclay8831

3 жыл бұрын

I mean they’re both crazy, but the whole thing with Ines and Peter is that they never really got to be together officially and she was murdered horrifically by Peter’s father and never got the recognition Peter felt she deserved as queen. He’s still crazy for digging her up and parading her around, but their story was different albeit just as tragic as Juana and Philip

@ceciliabenevidescrespi7216

3 жыл бұрын

hate to be *that* person, but if you are referring to the story of Peter I and Inês de Castro, he was the king of Portugal

@lindamaemullins5151

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@adrielkatz

3 жыл бұрын

@@ceciliabenevidescrespi7216 oop--

@jamiemohan2049

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because Ines an Peter's love was mutual.

I'm starting to think people called him phillip "the handsome" ironically

@jamellfoster6029

3 жыл бұрын

Ok... Because he wasn't handsome with that pointy Habsburg chin... Joanna was actually pretty but Philip wasn't handsome...

@jamiemohan2049

3 жыл бұрын

It makes me laugh. Like they are trolling. God for give me but he looks like one of the hills have eyes !

@angela7014

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 True

@peachypineapples502

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing 😂 but I think calling a member of your royal family ugly is a good way to get executed.

@Ikajo

3 жыл бұрын

Beauty standards change... things that are considered beautiful now wasn't considered beautiful then.

Sounds like she didn't start out "mad"..she was tortured, gaslighted, and forcefully isolated until she ended up that way :(

@blor3664

2 жыл бұрын

Like Britney spear and countless other women.

@annepollock8306

2 жыл бұрын

Sarabeth6701d. You're right. Poor lady.

@nmv33

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot ghosted.

@truthh8597

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like my story

@hermionedelano1773

Жыл бұрын

She was never tprtured. She is my ancestress.

The three most important men in a woman’s life and she was betrayed by all three. So very sad.

@truthh8597

2 жыл бұрын

I think she was setup for abuse like that! She never knew what good people are like so tolerated bad ones till it drove her crazy

@shanaguilar8352

2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap, you're right! That is so sad😨

@jamellfoster6029

2 жыл бұрын

True. A child betraying a parent is the worst though. That would break my heart if one of my kids betrayed me... A spouse I wouldn't be so surprised as spouses (especially in this day) betray each other frequently...

@purple_rxin

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately most royal parents were like that. They set their kids up for political marriages even at young ages not even caring about their happiness or worries. Only for their political power or alliances. The royal children were pawns in the works of monarchy

@widjiro

Жыл бұрын

betrayed by father, father-in-law, husband, and son

She was madly in love, used and betrayed by 2 men she trusted most. In 10 years she had 6 children, lost her brother, sister, nephew, mother and her husband all by the age of 25. Tough.

@ThomasL58

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the 15:th century. Juana was exceptionally fortunate in that none of her six children died at infancy, and only one (Elisabeth of Denmark and Sweden) died before Juana herself at 75.

@psychadelicpotato8580

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasL58 that was a long life without any meaning or affection

@ladysarcasm6226

2 жыл бұрын

Only to spend the last 30 years in isolation. Husband, father and son only visited her to abdicate her rights. I doubt she even cared by then...

@mermer3168

2 жыл бұрын

The "tough" part was to live until the age of 75 in those horrible times. Those last 40 years of torment and isolation was just too cruel.

@di3486

2 жыл бұрын

He was a narc and she was borderline. Very obvious.

Dang. None of the women in that family had any luck in marriage. And people wonder why Elizabeth I didn't want any part of matrimony...

@claram5482

3 жыл бұрын

I've often fantasised about a show called The Trastamara Sisters. Each episode would be about the three sisters Joan, Katharine, and Mary, meeting and discussing their love life: first before marriage, then during the honeymoon phase, then during the crumbling of their marriages. Of course Mary would be the pov character as her marriage wasn't that bad

@menchualcarazmoreno1743

3 жыл бұрын

@@claram5482 Mary would be the worst xharacter for us as she was obsessed by religion.

@claram5482

3 жыл бұрын

@@menchualcarazmoreno1743 Is t hat so? There aren't a lot of sources that tell us about her afaik. Why do you say that?

@TiaReshade

3 жыл бұрын

@@claram5482 Where did you find such a show?

@claram5482

3 жыл бұрын

@@TiaReshade what do you mean? As I said it's a fantasy of mine

when a man stabs his wife's lover it is so fair and made out of a righteous anger and understood by the society ,on the contrary when a woman stabs his husband's mistress she is called MAD !

@shiararuiz5171

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the hypocrisy

@LittleLazyKitty

3 жыл бұрын

Queen Mary of Scott’s second husband stabbed a man to death right in front of her because he was jealous of him. Of course nobody thinks that’s crazy, he just had an attitude and was a bit aggressive, you know, boys being boys.

@durusan4839

3 жыл бұрын

@@LittleLazyKitty Right:))

@lagatita1623

2 жыл бұрын

I mean she should have stabbed him...

@durusan4839

2 жыл бұрын

​@@lagatita1623 No women always take it out on mistresses :)

Stabbing her husband's mistress is not a sign of insanity. Her husband's having an affair and expecting his wife to go along with it is a sign of his own insanity.

@fuckoffgoogle1657

10 ай бұрын

I’m not going to say it was “right” but be realistic and understand that 2021 was not anything ANYTHING like that of these times and your mindset would be the weird one in their time.

@janicea135

9 ай бұрын

No no hes got a point

This woman was abused and traumatised. No wonder she developed mental illness, she could have even developed something like CPTSD or BPD. I feel so sorry for her and somewhat thankful I live in a time where mental illness isn’t treated that way.

@themage1114

3 жыл бұрын

@Quester Jester Juana wasn't a product of incest. Her children and their paternal side started it all

@bridgetking4553

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah bpd sounds about right. I have both of those, I always admired Juana. She wasn’t crazy, she went through hell and reacted to it and was impacted

@jd4632

3 жыл бұрын

...or is it?

@fenrisulven5324

3 жыл бұрын

Most people of that era were abused and traumatized.

@fenrisulven5324

3 жыл бұрын

You go girl! Always the victim...

I didn't expect this story to be so heartbreaking. After her son took over and took her daughter from her, and no one talked to heer anymore and she was unable to care for herself, I totally expected the poor woman to finally die. But she lived on for another THIRTY. YEARS. Heartbreaking is not a good enough word for it.

@bethanybarden1953

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. If she wasn't insane before, I expect she was by the end of her 30-year isolation.

@laurieb3703

2 жыл бұрын

Just tragic.... And she still protected him ..

@fandemusique4693

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, she died only a few years before Charles.

@whitzala

Жыл бұрын

That 30 years had me so speechless😭😭😭 her will to live was next level

Nothing she did seems to say she’s insane. She was such a passionate and loving person. Her only fault was loving too much

@lone-welf

3 жыл бұрын

wow this hit home.

@justlooking1299

3 жыл бұрын

The love potions seems a little crazy for me 🤨

@ashleyrocke4144

3 жыл бұрын

@@justlooking1299 that's because you understand modern science. this was when people barely knew that germs existed

@coronavirusokboomer9537

3 жыл бұрын

So stabbing somebody isn’t crazy?

@lisacav6916

3 жыл бұрын

She probably had what we call bi-polar.

It's fascinating how often in history men in power smear a woman in power, but never the other way around. Almost to the point of being cliché.

@fruitygarlic3601

3 жыл бұрын

Any time a female ruler is half competent or interesting, there is a rumour after her death about her being a zoophile, an imposter, or whatever else. It's like clockwork.

@est9949

3 жыл бұрын

Catherine the great's horse rumor was a great example. Those gossipy guys were jealous of successful woman.

@myriamickx7969

2 жыл бұрын

Alyson, it's not "almost a cliché", it IS a cliché. And it remains so to this day in the corporate world for instance.

@truthh8597

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes truth pills

@sol.azulalado

28 күн бұрын

It's a little pathetic actually... Vergüenza ajena

"Philip the Handsome" *puts glasses on* I can't see it

@thebooknitter

3 жыл бұрын

it is a spanish pun.... precisely Xd

@Amphitera

3 жыл бұрын

well, if you know what all the other royals, esp Habsburgs, looked like, it begins to make sense? xD same today, anyone not totally horrifically ugly marrying into a royal family is enthused over how pretty he/she is, meanwhile the actual royals look like lizards wearing shoddily made facemasks.

@lagatita1623

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amphitera kinda like Kate

@jasperhorace7147

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebooknitter he had that name long before he went to Spain. I think it may have been in contrast with his father, who did have the Habsburg jaw.

@jasperhorace7147

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amphitera But their children are always described as gorgeous, beautiful or some other sycophantic words. Just look at Prince George and Princess Charlotte!

45 years of solitude.... Let that sink in people.....

'She lived with her husbands corpse'. I know women who will say the same thing about their marriages even though the husband is alive and well and golfing.

@katesims2346

3 жыл бұрын

Or what ever his current craze is.

@kyliecrybaby4161

3 жыл бұрын

Is the golfing thing about Trump 💀

@AnnaGirardini

3 жыл бұрын

I love the "alive and golfing" :D

@OpheliaNL

2 жыл бұрын

Alive and golfing? You mean alive and gaming. lmao

@L0rdOfThePies

2 жыл бұрын

Alive, well and golfing? Those two words dont go with that last one lmao

It’s so odd to think of a time the sentence “his grandfather’s 29 year old widow,” wasn’t an out of the ordinary sentence

I find it so messed up and ironic when mistresses end up having the sons instead of the wife

@Sawrattan

3 жыл бұрын

Same with her poor sister Catherine of Aragon, which messed up the even more tragic Mary I of England.

@est9949

3 жыл бұрын

Oh the patriarchy

@JoeDirtisawsome

3 жыл бұрын

i think its messed up that monarchies are even a thing

@alleducation1982

2 жыл бұрын

I think in the situations where there is so much inbreeding, it may have something to do with the fact the the mistresses were most likely not their relatives; cousins, sisters, etc...

@clairefordzetterstrom9973

Жыл бұрын

@@Sawrattan true😔💔

If she was mad ~ her family made her that way!

@Ikajo

3 жыл бұрын

Solitary confinement can cause severe mental health issues

What’s most heartbreaking is that they took their daughter from her. The only person who seemed to actually care about her was taken from her.

Abusive mother, abusive father, abusive husband... no wonder she went "mad". Pobre Juana :( La cuerda sounds so painful, I feel so much for her...........

@angelvillalobos6858

2 жыл бұрын

Infact she wasn't Cuerda so they sent her to the Cuerda. :) 🥺

Poor Jauna, Her treatment in life was enough to magnify the slightest mental health issue. Her own Father, Mother and Husband, tortured and abused Her, then used Her for Her power. This alone is enough to break the strongest mind. This was the True, real life experiences of historical Princesses. They were used as "baby machines"..just in gilded cages with jewels and pretty dresses..but, if they complained?? It was off to a Nunnery for them.. or worse!

the fact that she is considered crazy makes me sad. she was used and manipulated by her own father, son, and husband. i’m so sad for this poor woman. she deserved better

Even a stone would go crazy, if it was subjected to everything she went through, and all of it coming from people who were her family. If anyone was really crazy in that whole affair, it was her mother, husband and co. who acted like a bunch of utter narcissists, sadists and psychopaths. Perhaps Juana shouldn't have used those scissors on her husband's lover though, the woman was probably not in a position to freely reject him. She should've used them on him, but poor girl was too blindly in love with him even though he didn't deserve to be loved.

@TheDragiix3

3 жыл бұрын

As terrible as a cheating spouse is, I feel like a lot of both men and women out there need to understand, it's not said mistress that is hurting them, it's the spouses. They are the ones committing the betrayal and they are responsible for their own action.

@lagatita1623

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

Something with royals calling people insane when not following their preferred protocol. Makes me think of Diana.

@mayahdenman9401

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing

@dromie5059

3 жыл бұрын

What happened with Diana?

@MonsieurBananaTheBetter

3 жыл бұрын

@@dromie5059 idk I just heard that her life was crappy

@L0rdOfThePies

2 жыл бұрын

@@dromie5059 i know diana was more open to the public and children especially, thus opens the whole for conspiracies apparently

@laurielovett8849

Жыл бұрын

Dianna was the deceptive one. She managed to turn people against King Charles for returning to his one true live Camilla,when she by her own admittance had already started an affair with her married bodyguard, she then went on to have numerous affairs some with married men, and worse still,kept making late night abusive phone calls to one of her lovers wives Mrs Gilbey when calls answered would spout abuse or slam the phone down almost 300 calls in one day. Calks were traced to Dianbas phone, she was to be charged but the Queen interceded on her behalf, so its easily seen where Harry gets his mind set from.

I will maintain until my dying day that she was manipulated and her perspective was erased from history on purpose. I first learned about Juana 3 years ago (American education system hello!) through a fictional account of her life. ever since I was obsessed, I felt deep connection to her immediately. The next year I was on a study abroad in Spain and on the excursion to Granada where else do I unexpectedly find myself but at her tomb. It was like destiny!

@Moonewitch

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯

It’s awful how the people around her, men and women, used a impressionable young girl for power and abandoned her in the end. I don’t blame Juana for going insane. I’d go insane after a while if everyone in my life treated me like that! Rip Juana ❤️

I love Spanish history. My favorite Spanish monarch is Charles II of Spain - “El Hechizado” (the bewitched/hexed). He was so inbred that he had a lot of physical and mental disabilities and he died without an heir so it sent Spain into war.

@GloriaFlores-to3cj

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t believe that Charles lived as long as he did.

@vilwarin5635

3 жыл бұрын

@@GloriaFlores-to3cj Is more impressive if you read the treatments his doctors tried with him... drinking olive oil, taking his blood, eating pure garbage... is like they wanted him dead. That man was strong as an ox

@charlesiiofspain3303

3 жыл бұрын

Jajajajaa! Me king of SPAIN!! *drools*

@L0rdOfThePies

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesiiofspain3303 your 2 hours out of bed are up king, get back in bed lmao

@charlesiiofspain3303

2 жыл бұрын

@@L0rdOfThePies kzread.info/dash/bejne/k3ypmbigetDVlKQ.html

I wonder what it would have been like if Juana had taken Catherine back to Spain with her instead of leaving her in England. The king wouldn’t have been happy, but Catherine was technically unmarried at the time.

@vilwarin5635

3 жыл бұрын

I don´t think Catalina was allowed to leave. Her dowry wasn´t paid by Fernando, and Henry VII wanted that money so bad. She was an hostage of England

@Sawrattan

3 жыл бұрын

@@vilwarin5635 also Henry VII considered marrying Catherine himself.

@jagatdave

2 жыл бұрын

@@vilwarin5635 Fernando had money...just that he was adamant

I got this notification while reading a book about Catherine of Aragon and she was talking about her sister Juana!

@candisbrown1275

3 жыл бұрын

Waer did you buy the book a out catherine of aragon

@a.person4761

3 жыл бұрын

@@candisbrown1275 I’m reading Catherine of Aragon: The True Queen by Alison Weir. I just picked it up from my local library.

@AmyHoldaway27

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.person4761 oooohh, I wanna read it cx

@AmyHoldaway27

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.person4761 Oooohhh, it’s a historical fiction book series! And my library has it online 😄 giiiirlll (idk if you are but)…. Imma read it!! Tysm!!

@reginastoltz3629

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.person4761 I just finished that book and on the one about Anne Boleyn. Ms Weir is AWESOME. I'm glad that I am not the only one to discover her.

I feel so bad for her. She was taken advantage by men all her life for their own game. 😭

@aishetumusa961

3 жыл бұрын

💔

@JoeDirtisawsome

3 жыл бұрын

not just men. her mom treated her like crap too

@leanette979

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeDirtisawsome yea it was sad

Charles was _very_ close to his aunt Catherine of Aragon. And he considered her more as a mother figure than Juana

@alonelybisexual327

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps...

@gloriamartin4343

3 жыл бұрын

Carlos, hijo de Juana vivio toda su infancia en los paises bajos junto a su familia Hasburgo. El fue educado por su tia Margarita Hasburgo, hermana de Felipe el Hermoso. Carlos quiso a su tia Margarita como si fuese su madre. De Catalina de Aragon nada. Si, era su tia pero no tuvo trato con ella.

@ThomasL58

3 жыл бұрын

As Gloria Martin said, he was close to his paternal aunt Margaret of Austria.

@visenyatargaryen9130

Жыл бұрын

Wrong person. Charles was raised by his other aunt, Margaret of Burgundy. She was his mother figure. Not Catherine. In fact, Charles hardly saw Catherine.

@thenablade858

3 ай бұрын

Charles V had met Catherine while on a trip to England (and had been bethrothed to her six year old daughter, Mary) but he was closest to Margaret of Austria. Not Catherine. Margaret was in charge of the Habsburg Netherlands, and was a close patron of Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa and Erasmus.

I'd go pretty insane if you locked me up in solitary confinement for a few decades.

So sad. Poor Juana. She was tough as nails though!

She opened the coffin because the flamingos wanted to steal her husband's corpse. She wanted to burry him in Granada with her parents to ensure the throne of her son Charles. she was traveling at night because of the plague and the heat ...

So glad I watched this. Everything I've ever seen on "Juana the Mad" never explained her life. She wasn't "mad"! She definitely had PTSD, probably depression/anxiety. Who wouldn't of?! Her own mother tortured her. As far as I know defiance isn't a mental illness. To the men in her life sure it was tho! That's where these "stories" came from. Men who wanted her power. And when we hear "she lived with her dead husband" sure she sounds a lil batty. But that's not even what happened! She went with his body on a week's travel to bury him. She was mourning. Pretty sure I would've went on that sad trip myself. Whole new opinion of Juana of Castille now. Great bio, ty!!

She went through solitary confinement which is considered the worst form of mental torture. No one emerges from that sane. Her story is honestly heartbreaking, everyone who was supposed to care for her and protect her failed her in every way imaginable.

She was very depressed by trying to keep an adulterous husband. That woman did not deserve to be thrown away in some prison. Terrible children!!!😡😡😡Both her, and Queen Katherine married two unloving men. Bless her heart!!!

@jasperhorace7147

2 жыл бұрын

At the time, I’m sure their treatment wasn’t seen as either cruel or unusual. After all they were merely women. Even low class men saw women as chattels with no rights.

Joan in a nutshell Joan: "Hello darkness my old friend"

stabbing her husband's lover and living w/her husband's corpse are the two things that made me like queen juana. she wasn't mad, just very passionate.

Honestly she might’ve been a good queen but she was locked up and rumors were spread about her ruining her reputation. If her mother had believed she was mad why did she leave her as her heir?

@truthh8597

2 жыл бұрын

Classic smear campaign

I feel so bad for her.... I don't think she was mad, I think she needed help 😞

I've always felt sorry for Juana, tortured by her mother for not believing in her faith, her husband cheated on her constantly, her life was so tragic no wonder she went 'mad' I think I would as well if I were her poor girl screams out to be helped inside but Is tortured and lied to and plotted against instead by those that should have cared for her

I have read a ton of material about Jauna. I have deduced that Jauna was terribly wronged by her parents and husband. There is documentation that Jauna's behavior surrounding Phillips death is greatly overblown. As a woman, whether Queen Regnant or not she was manipulated and undermined in a world controlled by men. Possibly bipolar, etc but, her circumstances left scars. Torture an abusive and philandering husband. As you know, royal children were bargaining tools and assets rather than loved children. I see her as a victim.

At least Charles V had a beard to cover that dreaded Habsburg chin...

@alonelybisexual327

3 жыл бұрын

Is that you trying to be funny or rude? 🤔

I felt my heart break for this queen and wanted nothing more to give this poor woman a hug.

Absolutely horrible how they treated her

I don't think she was insane per say. But she was definitely delusional when it came to Philip. All of Isabella's children had intense feelings of and devotion for their spouses.

@AmyHoldaway27

2 жыл бұрын

I think Isabella herself did too.

@HelenA-vz5wy

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmyHoldaway27 nothing but pick-me vibes from these medieval women...

@jamiemohan2049

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelenA-vz5wy 😂😂🤣🤣

@lucindabunda2106

2 жыл бұрын

Per se.

@lucindabunda2106

2 жыл бұрын

Then you don't understand the Sacrament of Marriage???

Relatives that exaggerated mental instability for their own benefit so basically gas lighted her. Yeah I'd believe it. The mom thought it was okay to suspend her daughter and torture her over spiritual bs but the victim of that torture is the one called unstable? Yep I'd believe it.

It seems like Juana was “mad” in the sense of crazy, but more pissed at the jerks in her life. A lot of her behavior seems to only go against strict and confining ideas of “ladylike” behavior rather than being truly concerning. I think if she’d had a more supportive husband she wouldn’t have had such a negative enduring reputation.

Poor thing wasn't loved properly by ANY of her family 😭

Your voice is like honey.. I could listen to it for hours🥰

@nazninsultanask

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! For the ❤️

The Queen actually had her daughter tortured? I didn’t like her before, and I like her even less now.

@perikoala86

3 жыл бұрын

You should read about Isabel la Catolica. She wasn't the demon a lot of people think.

@miguelrafael9247

3 жыл бұрын

@@perikoala86 Yeah, the part of her torturing her daughter is inaccurate. It's also in The Spanish Princess TV show.

@perikoala86

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguelrafael9247 I haven't watched it but I've read about how inaccurate and full of stereotypes that show is. Its not even historically factual so I'm surprised people believe in these lies.

@vilwarin5635

3 жыл бұрын

I read it was Fernando who ordered it, not the Queen

@gf3011

3 жыл бұрын

No. She did not.

hearing this story makes me so sad. imagine what she could’ve been if she hasn’t been manipulated and emotionally abused all her life

Thank you for this ,we don't have enough documentaries about her

@aishetumusa961

3 жыл бұрын

Post traumatic stress disorder 💔

Thank you for this study of the life of Juana of Castile. May I contribute some dissenting views: What source did you use for the torture of Juana by Isabel? There is evidence that cuerda was used by the Marquis of Denia much later, when Juana was incarcerated at Tordesillas, but I don't recall reading anything about Isabel doing so in Juana's teens. Please do let me know where this information came from. FYI the portrait you are using for the union with Philip the Handsome is not of Juana of Castile. It is Joanna of Naples as portrayed by Raphael. Juana was not herself the heir to Aragon, which observed Salic Law, meaning a female could not inherit. However, the Catholic Kings negotiated the right of the son of a female descendant to inherit, and so Charles was able to become king of Aragon by right of his mother. There is a confusion about Juana in and out of Spain. There were two journeys to Spain by Juana and Philip. During the first journey, there was an attempt to educate Philip to rule the kingdoms, but he was recalcitrant, and left Juana alone. This was when Isabel and Juana had their conflicts and the climax at la Mota and when little Fernando was born. The second journey was when Isabel died. This was the last time Juana left Flanders. The corpse legend has a lot of questions and exaggerations. She did not have the coffin opened many times. It was three times in the early period of Philip's death. Once on All Saint's Day; once on the suspicion that his body had been stolen and once for unexplained reasons. She did not make love to it. Her plan was to transport the coffin from Burgos in the North to Granada, in the South, to obey Philip's request to be buried by Isabel. In the event, she did keep the coffin during her incarceration in Tordesillas and used it as an argument against remarriage as suggested by Fernando (she couldn't remarry with her husband unburied). Philip was not buried at Granada for many years. Juana's child was born during the journey. Juana never made it to Granada with the coffin. Charles attempted to take Catalina away before the Comunero rebellion, when Catalina was a child, not 18. They returned after the traumatic effect on Juana was clear. The incident created a rift between Juana and Charles. Thank you again for this sympathetic and thoughtful review of the life of this unfortunate woman.

She was worried that a woman would fall for her husband’s corpse?!😳. Juana was a bit short of center.

@melenatorr

3 жыл бұрын

Many, many details about Juana's dealing with her husband's death and coffin need to be taken with a few grains of salt.

@ieatgremlins

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, in all fairness, we haven’t seen the corpse so ... 🤷🏻‍♀️

@--enyo--

3 жыл бұрын

@@melenatorr One theory I heard was that it was to show people her children were legitimate.

@melenatorr

3 жыл бұрын

@@--enyo-- Oh, that's interesting; but my instinct is to go to the idea that if any woman would least be expected to be unfaithful to her husband it would be Juana.

@user-zm9yc2kb8x

3 жыл бұрын

She was a whole fruit loop.

The craziest thing about her is that she somehow loved that nasty cheating husband of hers.

Please never stop making KZread videos about history, I love your channel so much!!

She was not crazy.she was mistreated and abandoned.Anyone who experiences that for a prolonged span will lose mental function.

Juana was an abused child, and an almost case study of an abused wife. After that first night of lust Phillip sent away without pay almost all of Juana’s ladies and servants. Of those servants who insisted on staying he cut off all monies to both them and Juana and some starved on the ships that brought Juana and her large Downey to Flanders. Phillip worked at controlling Juana with women servants whom she did not like, and were frequently his latest lust interest. He insured she had no friends but himself. When Phillip died Juana wished to bury him at the Royal Tombs in Grenada, but her father, returned from his Kingdom of Aragon to attempt to wrest Castile from her, refused to convey them there. Juana organized transport through summertime Spain, traveling in the cool of the night and staying at Monasteries during the heat of the day, placing Phillips coffin in the chapel. (If I had been her I would have either sealed the casket with lead and pitch, or have opened it just to be sure the Bastard as really dead!). Ferdinand, wanted to be King of Castile again, a possession he lost at the death of Isabella, so he did whatever was necessary to discredit Juana, including claiming her madness. He had her taken to the old castle of Tordesillas and locked away with none of her ladies and constantly spied upon (the written reports still exist in the Spanish archives). From then on Juana was treated like a Mad woman with only her last born child for company.

@nataliajimenez1870

2 ай бұрын

Yep. One can just read the bio of her mom Queen Isabel to see how treacherous royal life was in the Iberian Peninsula. She had to contest with poisonings, insurrections, treason from her own family. She even had to do a power play to become sole monarch of Castile, doing her coronation when Ferdinand was out of town. Had Isabel survived Ferdinand, history would have been very different

Those poor women, Juana and Catalina de Aragon... they were abused, tormented, humiliated... i hope they are way better wherever they are according to their religion.

@derickgoh5272

3 жыл бұрын

I feel pretty bad for Juana as all 3 men who were trusted by her took the advantage and lock her away just for their own political ambition whereas Catharine also suffered but gained support from being a great queen consort and correct me if I am wrong, but I would call her ' The Princess Diana ' of the 16th century.

@DanasLilMakeup

3 жыл бұрын

@@derickgoh5272 i mostly agree with you about Catalina however I think she was even more punished because Diana could still see her children and enjoy them, and Catalina was locked away from her daughter and died without even being able to see her. Both had similar fates but I still think that Catalina and in this case also Juana suffered so much in the hands of men, in one way or the other.

@perikoala86

3 жыл бұрын

The English were catholic before Henry decided to cut ties with the Pope, they treated her badly years before she married him.

As a second language Spanish and French speaker, I have been wanting to learn about French and Spanish monarchies.

People were pretty unfair to Juanna

i was waiting for this one yay 💃🏾💃🏾💃🏾 what a sad life she lived surrounded by narcissists 😥😥😥

To everyone in the comments being kind to Juana, you are a part of her long needed justice. ❤❤❤❤❤

YES! Finally she pronounced Castile correctly! Great vid!

@Kingpowch

3 жыл бұрын

She could have said Castilla in Spanish

@sebastiendeschamps3135

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kingpowch no, the last video on Castile she said "Cas-tiley" I am a native spanish speaker

@bmaiamusic

3 жыл бұрын

I know, right? Me encanta las historias de Juana y Catalina. Saludos desde Brasil

@faithgarcia7638

2 жыл бұрын

@hist0ricaI her vids are amazing, but proper pronunciation makes this even better. I don't see a problem with one constructive criticism... no one here seems to be upset... 😅😅

Interesting that her niece Mary I was also seen as mad, even though her supposed mental instability was also caused by circumstances. Honestly if I had the pressure of being a royal I'd go insane pretty quickly.

Nice summary. Just to be clear, the Inquisition was created in France and not in Spain by queen Isabel.

@AmyHoldaway27

2 жыл бұрын

Really? I didn’t know that.

@AnastaciaInCleveland

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was in the 1200s. It was created to suppress the Cathar religion - a dualistic form of Christianity. Cathars were rounded uo, tortured, and killed by both the King of France (Phillip le Bel) and the Pope. IIRC, it was the Dominican order that administered the Inquisition. It continued in different forms including the Spanish Inquisition. The Catholic Church had the "Office of the Inquisition" well into the 20th century. The Office is called something different now. Pope Benedict XVI headed that Office when he was still Cardinal Ratzenberger. I'm sorry that I can't remember its name at the moment. ~ Anastacia in Cleveland

@AnastaciaInCleveland

2 жыл бұрын

*up

@suddhadasi

7 ай бұрын

It was used first in France in 13th century quite briefly for a specific political purpose, that's true, Isabel did reinvent it for her own political needs almost 200 years later.

Please make a video of Juana's grandmother, Queen Isabella of Portugal! Was she really insane or was she, like Juana, a victim of abuse and toxic relationships?

What about Maria the Mad? She seems a bit more certifiable than Juana.

It is so sad that every single man in her life only wanted to take what was hers and cared nothing for her. Even her own son. Just so sad.

I bet you she had ptsd...

It's like that one Taylor Swift song "mad woman" which is about a woman being in an abusive and toxic relationship but when she acted in response, people labeled her as mad

I have read a lot of books about Juana and Isabel never tortured her, she didn't like that Juana wasn't as religious as her and she tried to hide It but she never tortured her daughter. In fact, she cared a lot about her mental health and hated Felipe for making Juana depresed.

There is no formal evidence of Joanna's torture, it's most like a rumour started by her mother's enemies, such as when Isabella said that she won't take a bath until they conquer Granada. I'm a Spanish history lover, especially the Catolic Monarchs era, and I didn't hear about that rumour until I saw The Spanish Princess... Formal evidence show that Isabella was a loving mother who cared for her children and gave them the best education she could find (Joanna, Catherine and Maria were considered the most intelligent queens in Europe); I'm not saying she was a perfect mother (it was discovered that she neglected Joanna because she was third in line and therefore she centered in Juan and Isabel) but the torture...

2:58 I just about spat out my coffee. I just think my definition of handsome is a little bit different but to each there own.🤷🏻‍♀️

"Juana was increasingly unstable" Me: "Juana bet?" ;)

@alonelybisexual327

3 жыл бұрын

Ha. Ha. Ha.

@queensparkleintexas8090

2 жыл бұрын

😆

Growing up, we thought it would be so wonderful to be a princess living a royal life. But instead, there are so many stories of tragic lives, and of people hurting each other for the love of power. Ferdinand found it acceptable to hurt, not only a continent of people he’d never meet, but even his own children. Better to live a simple life, it seems.

I always felt so bad for Juana. She had a rough lot.

Other than the stuff with her husband's corpse, which can be waved away as temporary insanity from extreme grief, she sounds like a perfectly reasonable, intelligent woman (albeit one with a slight temper, although nowhere near as bad as many of her male contemporaries) who was continually undermined & disrespected without any allies who she could trust. Just think what she might have accomplished had her mother set aside her religious zealotry long enough to take her under her wing.

What a sad life...

Seems like teens were always rebellious lol

@HopeGardner3amed

3 жыл бұрын

To my understanding it is psychological and sociological evolution to make sure that society evolves and humans live on and don't have the same bloodlines. If we did the same things in the same place generation after generation we would die out quickly from abuse/malnourishment/overpopulation/etc. We are going through this now in large numbers, but weren't thousands of years ago due to expanding our territory or rebelling against the status quo.

@amyholder9049

3 жыл бұрын

@@HopeGardner3amed thanks for that didn't know I needed that lol

@ieshahunt1263

2 жыл бұрын

They punished her for developing her own ideals

Where is the "data" that says Juana was "tortured" for her faith? Research states that Isabella "may have" tortured Juana for her rebelliousness, but there is no verification of this.

I went throughout the comments, and is crazy!!!, lets have the facts right, HER MOTHER, QUEEN ISABEL NEVER TORTURED JUANA.

@user-zm9yc2kb8x

3 жыл бұрын

Prove it..

@enriquepascual8767

3 жыл бұрын

Prove it you!, the person who accuse has to ptove it, not the opposite way.

@lauraz2896

3 жыл бұрын

Site your source then

@Dryadkal

3 жыл бұрын

I uploaded a whole rant on it. You are right Isabella never hurt Joanna. God. The misinformation

Please do a full video on Mary Stuart!

@jeannevacca1328

3 жыл бұрын

Please!

How her father and her son treated her! Unfathomable. What beasts.

@fenrisulven5324

3 жыл бұрын

But not her Mother, she gets a pass for torturing her daughter because Grl Power! LOL

@marsi3862

Жыл бұрын

@@fenrisulven5324 there’s no evidence of her mother torturing her, in fact, Isabel is known as a very loving mather who wanted the best to her family, and yeah girl power, she was a female defensor

Thank you for illustrating Juana’ s hardships and abuse! Suffering from Depression seems to me to have been inevitable. Taking anger out on a light of love of her husband’s who was being flaunted before the whole court to their nasty smirking, isn’t particularly unreasonable for a still beautiful Queen and Spanish Beauty. Ferdinand and Charles had everything to gain by convincing the very up tight Spanish Nobility that she was unstable and they needed a Man to rule. The belief was common and stayed that way in Europe until the present day and England passing a law that girls may inherit the throne in the same birth order as boys. Finally, 30 years of seldom being spoken to will drive most people nuts!

Hi Lindsey I just wanted to say thank you. I have always been very fond of history especially royal history. You are one of the main sources where I get all my knowledge. I have been watching you for a very long time. So thank you. I also had a request if you could do Elizabeth Woodville it would be nice to get to know more abt her. Thank you again

Queen Juana of Castile and Aragon was mad, but no so mad. She was manipulated by her husband, father and son. Her son was not much attached to her; because he was raised by her aunt Margarita of Borgoña ; sister to Felipe the handsome. RIP Queen Juana of Castile and Aragon ❤️🌷🌹♥️ Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷

Feel really sad for her.... Nothing she did proved her insane. Yes, deciding to wait by her dead husband's side may sound weird however, that's anything but insanity. People have done worse out of love for their dead partners. She was just a victim who was taken advantage of by every person that was supposed to stand by her including her own father and that too merely for the thirst of power.

First off she didn't live with her husband's corpse. Second she didn't stab one of her ladies in waiting, she cut off her hair with scissors. She was in Burgos when her husband died and she wanted him to be buried in Granada. She traveled with the corpse, she didn't sleep nor live with the corpse. The distance was 668 kilometers, which would take 6 1/2 hours to drive in a car today. It was reported she would open his casket to gaze upon him and kiss him. However, she didn't live nor sleep with the corpse. Her husband had been spreading rumors along with her father for years about her instability, so it isn't surprising these rumors were made up to appear that she had gone completely mad and was unfit to rule, leaving her kingdom available for her father to steal from her, with her husband dead. *Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor replaced Juana as regent. She was placed in a royal Monastery/Convent of Santa Clara in Tordesillas, Castile. It's interesting to note that during her imprisonment/or stay, Charles V her son, kept her under strict rules and regulations. She was not allowed any visitors. She lived to be 75 years old, quite an long life considering this was the Medieval Period. She was laid to rest in Granada, next to her husband and parents.

Charles II couldn't talk, could barely eat, and was rendered completely disabled by hydrocephalus. But no one tried to rip the crown from him. Juana no doubt had some sort of psychological pathology, but it was far more likely that those around her amplified these issues to undermine her power. After all, she was a woman.

@vilwarin5635

3 жыл бұрын

It is a matter of male heirs. She already had 2 male sons, so her duty was already acomplished, and to the eyes of ther people she has nothing else to do. No one cared if she died because she already had sons and grandsons. However, Carlos II was the only male heir (although he had a half brother) and no children. That´s why he was married 2 times and his wives tried to become pregnant every day. Also, Charles had no father, brother or son that tried to steal his throne from him, his mother defended him with all her power, and the rest of Europe was bussy planning who would be the next king without been too obvious. If Carlos II would had a son, I assure you he would had suffer an "accident" earlier in his life

I've been looking for documentaries about her. Thank you for uploading!

5:22 Princess Leonor!💜

I’m so excited every time I see a notification from you! Solely thanks to your videos, I have learned SO much over the course of this pandemic. Thank you for your content. 💛

So glad to see you continue making this content, love the history and the spooky stuff, great!

pls do maragret tudor ik it wasnt on the list but it would be an interesting vid!

@hessaalqahtani1569

3 жыл бұрын

I really agree 👍