A couple of points. Take off and climb is the least efficent time for the engines. Reducing one takeoff is a clear saving. But the big advantage to Qantas is this. Right now, it takes 22 or so hours to fly an A380 from Sydney to London. It is not possible to turn the plane around in 2 hours for the return leg. So what happens is the plane sits in London for a day before returning. A plane on the gound is not earing money. Now with project sunrise, they will have 4 to 5 hours to turn the plane around and that means less time on the ground. This is a much more efficient use of capital. That is what is driving this.

@Qatari2007

4 ай бұрын

umm, but the plane needs to hold the fuel for the whole flight, increasing its weight

I have flown the Singapore Airlines non-stop Singapore to New York and back many times although only in business class. The first couple of times was a little daunting but once you workout a sleep pattern that works for you it became very manageable. I was always ready to go to work on arrival at both ends.

@williamzk9083

4 ай бұрын

This is full recline business class with direct aisle access. I can see nothing daunting about. All you need to do is remember to get up and stretch every hour or two when no sleeping, which is easy since you are not hemmed in by another passenger. Even premium economy is daunting over 8 hours despite the extra space.

Air New Zealand has project moonrise starting in 2025, a direct flight from Invercargill to Gore

@notsureyou

4 ай бұрын

Stop being silly...... Their real plan is use Eagles to fly the "one ring" direct to Mount Doom......

@warren3967

4 ай бұрын

Sign me up, only one class, cattle class.

@manuhamoa

4 ай бұрын

sounds like a flight for the Trumpsters in NZ

@peterhancox5268

4 ай бұрын

In a Tiger Moth

@Dave_Sisson

4 ай бұрын

@@warren3967 This is NZ, so surely it would be sheep class?

Not surprised, range is pretty much everything. A35K is the best airliner currently in service.

These long-distance flights are also a question of passenger demand. Flying Sidney - London for sure makes sense, as there is enough demand due to the close historic ties between these countries.

@benwatson5211

4 ай бұрын

It is a little more to it than just Sydney - UK or Sydney-NYC. The middle east has a distinct advantage on that from Dubai, you can fly direct to almost anywhere on the planet. That is why they have boomed. However this idea of ultra long haul breaks that monopoly.

I did the Perth to London and return flights in economy and it wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Food was very average but I didn’t expect anything else. There is a cupboard down the back where you could go and get as many snacks as you wanted.

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

how much was the ticket rtn?

They choose the A350 as it`s way lighter. Weight is crucial for ultra long range.

Not mentioned is that Melbourne will also be a hub for these flights

@MG101

4 ай бұрын

As someone from Melbourne I am glad

@aussiesam01

4 ай бұрын

But no one want to go there since Commie Dan ruined it.

@williamzk9083

4 ай бұрын

No one usually mentions Melbourne for good reason.

@andyturbo

4 ай бұрын

@@williamzk9083 What a stupid thing to say. I don't even need to say why as your comment is clearly based on jealousy on some personal issue.

@williamzk9083

4 ай бұрын

@@andyturbo so you’re from “the education state” LOL 😂

Being Qantas, the price for an economy seat will be 200% more than if you had a stop over.

@wyattfamily8997

4 ай бұрын

So right.

Ironically Qantas was involved in the development of the 777, yet to date have never ordered one.

For non-stop London Heathrow-Sydney flights.

This will take YEARS for them to get their acts together.

@smeary10

4 ай бұрын

Gets launched next year. They've been working on it since 2019 when they selected the A350.

@MG101

4 ай бұрын

@@smeary10the first A35Ks won’t be delivered until an estimate of 2026

@smeary10

4 ай бұрын

@@MG101 correct. Was supposed to be next year originally.

@NoRegertsHere

4 ай бұрын

@@smeary10covid delay

But a 5-night stopover in Tokyo is so much fun.

Boeing was also in the original request but was unsatisfactory in its response, QF was interested in the 777-8 due to a superior range and potentially a slightly higher seat count, However Boeing was non-committal on time frame and offered the 777LR as an interim until the -8 became real. Something we still don't know as there is no sign of a prototype yet and we know from the -9 this will take many years. Airbus has its issues too but the A350-900ULR is there and the transfer to the 1000ULR would not be an issue for Airbus to do.

Whats the flight they do Sydney-Auckland-New York, not exactly non stop

I'm a veteran of several 12-14 flights and one grueling 16+ SEA to SIN. If I had a choice I'd avoid them entirely, but travel from the U.S. to S.E. Asia generally demands them. However, ... 20 hours? I'd wander from my west coast home to the east coast to avoid that!

If your flying from Perth to London via Sri Lanka.... exactly how do you experience 2 sunrises??? your travelling west

@dongorrie1828

4 ай бұрын

It was during WW2 in Catalinas. Very slow.

Sunrise would have to be better value than Emirates. As a regular Emirates First customer I really love their hard product and soft product and the convenient connections from Dubai, which can get me to so many destinations.

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

It's not going to be better value, it's about people wanting and paying for a direct flight from Sydney to Europe non-stop

@williamzk9083

4 ай бұрын

I will die in a 19 hour flight quite literrally from DVT. I shall continue to fly to Dubai, stay in a hotel for 8 hours and then take my next connection unless I get business class all the way.

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

@@williamzk9083 of course if u are flying in economy a stop is a far better option

Qantas board has had an anti 777 stance since 1996. Boeing offered long range tanks for the 777x as they are offering to emirates and that would have match / exceeded the range of the a350. The demise of the a380 and the 747 will mean Qantas will go to the 777x to replace the a380. Once released expect Boeing to offer a all carbon 777 that will share many of the 787 flying dynamics

@NoRegertsHere

4 ай бұрын

Probably will go with 350-1000s in higher capacity set up instead of 777x unfortunately

@KensoranAV

4 ай бұрын

they’ve already ordered extra a350-1000s to replace them

With Boeing's rep circling the drain, looking like genius on Qantas' part (which is unusual for Qantas so it's probably just luck)

@mattrodger7097

4 ай бұрын

They are using Airbus for the 717 and 737 fleet replacement, so I feel the reputational issues and getting the appropriate aircraft in a timely manner was a key factor.

Me when qantas offers skycouch for economy class on ultra long haul flights

This is the Airline I would recommend the most For A350 lovers!!!

@wyattfamily8997

4 ай бұрын

Qantas is no longer consider by most as an "Australian airline" due to their actions and behaviour during Covid against their workers and passengers alike. I'm Australian and will NEVER fly Qantas ever again..

@aryaansrivastava3756

4 ай бұрын

Try it's Project Sunrise!

@aryaansrivastava3756

4 ай бұрын

If Qantas was to start flying project Sunrise in 2023, the airline would anticipate itself to get its first 12 A350-10000ULR confirmed by 2020.

Isn't mid flight refueling an option?

@NoRegertsHere

4 ай бұрын

No

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

hahaha r u serious?? These are commercial aircrafts not military fighter jets

The volume this is recorded at is so low I can hardly hear it at maximum.

Melbourne-London and Melbourne-NY will be the longest flights of Sunrise

@NoRegertsHere

4 ай бұрын

Probably NYC back to Melbourne

@Dave_Sisson

4 ай бұрын

If you look at the route from a "great circle" perspective, Melbourne is slightly closer to London by air than Sydney is.

@andyturbo

4 ай бұрын

@@Dave_Sisson Thanks for the correction, mate. Funny that you said that (I am glad you corrected me) as I knew the Mel-NY route was going to be the new longest route and ignorantly just assumed without giving it much thought (despite being a Pilot myself, only PPL though so I will claim that as my excuse 😅) that London would be also.

When it comes to Boeing, the least said the better. The Airbus A350 meets all the needs. Fast, quiet long range,low fuel use. Unlike most airlines, QANTAS owns their aircraft, and have maintenance facilities at all the airports they travel to.

@wyattfamily8997

4 ай бұрын

As an Australian I will never fly Qantas again after their behaviour to both employees and passengers during Covid, and they still have a less than acceptable "on time" record.

A couple of things you stated are incorrect.Qantas do not fly to Rome.They did not choose the Rolls Royce Trent XWB engine it's the only engine that Airbus offer on the A350.

@Firedogies

4 ай бұрын

Qantas has direct flights from Perth to Rome for like 3 years now

@ethanmicallef6905

4 ай бұрын

Thats true, but I think its seasonal. But they still fly there. @@Firedogies

@smilesmite6682

4 ай бұрын

They do fly to Rome on a seasonal basis but because it’s from Perth u probably don’t know about it.

@ethanmicallef6905

4 ай бұрын

@@smilesmite6682 Thats what I was saying. Read before you comment.

@smilesmite6682

4 ай бұрын

@@ethanmicallef6905 lmao I wasn’t even replying to you…

It would be a nightmare to be stuck in a plane for 19 hours, no thankyou! I'd much rather have a lay-over in Dubai!

The only way to be living in Sydney and attending a meeting in London the next day is if you travel by rocket.

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

If you live in Sydney and have a meeting in London........ you would travel at least a few days b4, not the day b4 the meeting. No need for rockets

No point in getting to London in 19 hours when it's going to take 36 for your bag to catch up.

@charlesjay8818

4 ай бұрын

lol

Also pushing the limits of human endurance. Sounds hellish.

@YortOK

4 ай бұрын

Australians are used to it. And the idea of a few more hours so you get DIRECTLY home is an attractive option.

@Yeviscount

4 ай бұрын

No different to the long distance bus trips we all took when QANTAS and Ansett were the only airlines and it was too expensive to fly. 18 hours Sydney to Brisbane back then.

Australia to USA flight for 20+ hour flights!

Is Qantas planning to give one aeroplane to both Albo and Bowen for free, so they are not disadvantaged to use one plane together?😂

I think Qantas just likes Airbus for some reason

@IconOTS

4 ай бұрын

Almost their whole fleet is Boeing- Airbus is better anyway.

@r-labs9357

4 ай бұрын

Ok I mean.

@ethanmicallef6905

4 ай бұрын

@@IconOTS The only Boeing order is the 787. The rest is airbus. They clearly prefer Airbus to replace their aging Boeing fleet.

@NoRegertsHere

4 ай бұрын

Boeing dropped the ball with their narrow body product. Should’ve been a new design instead of the max. Qantas is going Airbus for narrow body, 787 for thin ULR routes and 350 for premium routes. Medium haul combination of 350 and 787

@ronlucock3702

4 ай бұрын

Who wouldn't?

Mate, as an Aussie I’m allowed to mock my national airline, and there’s plenty of reasons to do that. But with an American accent you’re not allowed to do that, okay? 2:29

It's Qantas, not Qant-ASS!

as for those living in Brisbane, sorry but we ain't getting any new planes

Not sure what the aviation industry is shocked about on this lol

Sound quality not so good .

No Qantas to London will take to 22 hours at least

@smeary10

4 ай бұрын

No it doesn't without a stop. 19.5 hours.

@andyturbo

4 ай бұрын

Melbourne to New York will be the longest flight out of project sunrise which I believe is 21.5-22.5hr I forget exactly. 19.5 is SYD-LON

@AidenCarle

4 ай бұрын

Sydney to London is 22.5 hours and Melbourne to New York is 21.4 hours

@andyturbo

4 ай бұрын

@@AidenCarle Actually we are both wrong. However I was correct that Melbourne will be the longest route still. Here are the approximate flight times for the routes mentioned: Sydney to London: The total flight duration is approximately 21 hours and 37 minutes1. However, the fastest flight takes about 25 hours and 25 minutes2. Sydney to New York: The total flight duration is approximately 20 hours and 22 minutes3. However, the fastest flight takes about 20 hours and 55 minutes4. Melbourne to London: The total flight duration is approximately 21 hours and 42 minutes5. However, the fastest flight takes about 25 hours and 25 minutes6. Melbourne to New York: The total flight duration is approximately 21 hours and 13 minutes7. However, the fastest flight takes about 20 hours and 55 minutes8.

R &D scotty

“Qantas’s”

no wonder they stick with Airbus.

So out of touch. Perth to London direct started years ago. It took Qantas years to realise Emirates were caning them with flights from Perth to Europe via Dubai. Most West Australians I know chose and still do to fly Emirates and now Qatar to Europe . Doesn’t matter much what a former iconic airline tries to do now it’s all too late .

@markspencer8449

4 ай бұрын

Opinions are fine but Perth to London is incredibly successful. As is Perth to Rome and now they are launching Perth to Paris. This is a GOOD thing for WA and I think that you should consider the flow on effect to your economy. Also remember that Emirates are partners with Qantas so it is a win win.

I'm not sure how Boeing will continue with safety issues and negative executive culture.

Qantas doesnt have the best reputation amongst Australians, we just fly it cause its the best option out of a weak selection. If Qantas seriously change their image in domestic travel (which they have started doing) by 2025, then and only then will it be successful

I shall never fly with Qantas ever again ! The company is substandard in every area of customer service .

19 hours non stop, no thanks. I look forward to a few hours in Dubai or Doha on my way to Europe. 19 hours non stop in cattle class is my idea of hell!

The 777x is still a fantasy plane. One day...perhaps.

QANTAS is not a good airline anymore due to the little Irishmen that was in charge. I won’t fly QANTAS anymore domestically. I fly Virgin now. After 35 years of nothing but QANTAS. They have lost the Aussie confidence now.

@coover65

4 ай бұрын

My last flight with Qantas was LAX to Brisbane on a 747. The only reason I chose to fly QF was because it would be my last opportunity to fly in the upper deck. Even in business class the service was crap. Broken fittings on the seats. I always choose the likes of Emirates, Thai, or Singapore for flights to Europe over Qantas.

Is this channel being read by an A.I. voice?

@shinkicker404

4 ай бұрын

yep

@Dave_Sisson

4 ай бұрын

The channel is called Aviatrix which means 'female flyer'. So I was rather surprised when there was a male voiceover.

Yeah. Good choice. Wouldn't trust any Boeing planes. Way too many problems at this time. Flight times lost by problem planes has cost airlines significantly. Their inability to build safe planes is so evident for all to see.

The Qantas plans are for flights from both Melbourne (now Australia's largest city) and Sydney to London and New York, not just from Sydney as you suggest.

You’d need to put me into a medically induced coma for a flight of that duration. No thanks.

Co2 is not a pollutant!

@Yk3d05bm

4 ай бұрын

its vital for existence we are all carbon based species.

@Trevor-zw1qr

3 ай бұрын

Correct, but it is a greenhouse gas

@germanwarrior6463

3 ай бұрын

@@Trevor-zw1qr Its plant food.lol It does no harm to us at all! Its all propaganda. Without it, we would be dead. Stop believing a giant lie! Its science 101.

The best decision made at Qantas was the departure of the lying leprechaun and the cessation of ghost flight bookings plus the departure of the chairman, But I still won't be flying with Quantas they have totally trashed their reputation in Australia.

Australia has a population of less than 27 million. That is a fraction of even the population of California. There are not enough people in Australia to support this service.

I couldn't care less about carbon per person. It's all exaggerated nonsense!

FFS mate. No one in the industry is shocked by anything you have said. Choose your headlines a bit more carefully will you ?! 👎

Fake video

what a load of rubbish - Qantas are still around because they partnered with Emirates before going bust. Their service and pricing is abysmal.

@anthonywatts2033

4 ай бұрын

Several issues with your post; Qantas hasn't gone bust, and if their service and pricing is so bad, how are they still flying?

@Yeviscount

4 ай бұрын

The onboard service is actually pretty good. Ground service...horrible. Now that Joyce is gone maybe it will get better. When airlines like Cathay start ramping services back up then QANTAS might drop their fares. Domestic fares are ridiculous , come on Virgin start the fare war ball rolling.

@rolandnelson6722

4 ай бұрын

Australians can live with bad service. We don’t like to be served because we don’t like to serve. But not that bad!!!

@rolandnelson6722

4 ай бұрын

@@Yeviscountat least the flaws are obvious for the new CEO.

@Yeviscount

4 ай бұрын

@@rolandnelson6722 yes but will they be addressed or ignored.

This video is wildly out of date and inaccurate. Project Sunrise is dead in the water as the aircraft is too heavy and due Russian invasion.

Good strategic move to buy the 350 over 777x..those who pre ordered the 777x realize they got bamboozled by Boeings streetwalkers pretending to be salespeople and are now in deep shxt…look at Korean air with aging 777s their only option was to snap up Asiana to get their grubby hands on the 15 A350s in Asianas fleet or wait 6 year back order to get a new a350 while there 25 yo 777 from the 90s keep falling apart and cost more and More to maintain ..those fleet managers who got bamboozled by Boeing and chose to tie their fate to them are now collecting unemployment checks or working as baggage handlers